Global James Bond Day Special: Moonraker guest starring Kan

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Other films promise you the moon. This one delivers. We are the spy fi guys, and this is Moonraker. Hello, and welcome back to the spy fi guys, where we cover spy facts, spy fiction, and everything in between. I'm Zach. [00:00:20] Speaker B: And I'm Christian. [00:00:21] Speaker A: And happy James Bond day to you. Christian. [00:00:23] Speaker B: Yes. Happy global James Bond day. October 5. This is the what, 1962. So what, 62 years. [00:00:32] Speaker A: And why was that date selected? [00:00:36] Speaker B: So October 5 is the day that Doctor no. Came out in 1962. [00:00:41] Speaker A: I see. So in the past, we've done fun drafting games for our global James Bond day. Today we are covering a particularly interesting James Bond movie with a particularly interesting guest. [00:00:54] Speaker B: Yeah. So we have my best friend Khan, who is a NASA engineer, and we figured of all the movies, we could bring him, bring him on. We were going to torture him with something that's actually super scientifically inaccurate. [00:01:09] Speaker A: Moonraker, I'm sure we could find worse. But welcome on board Khan. [00:01:14] Speaker C: It's great to be here. Thank you for inviting me. [00:01:17] Speaker B: Like I said, khan actually works for NASA, so he's gonna correct all the things that are wrong in this movie. And I'm actually, I'm curious on your take, is that, like, as I've talked about on the podcast before, I've been to space camp, but I gotta be an astronaut as a kid. One of my guides while I was watching this movie is this book right here. It's called the Space Shuttle Operations Manual. It has all of the checklists and everything that you would go through. It's very similar to, like, the binders we had at Space camp. So I was like, all right. And, you know, at least at that point when I went space camp was all shuttle based. So a lot of this stuff seemed familiar to me. So I was like, I wanted. I went through it. I was like, what are they saying? Are they saying real things? Are they saying made up things? What's going on? [00:02:06] Speaker C: I would say that they did pretty good job at trying to be realistic. I mean, there are obviously a lot of things that are very sci-Fi in there and, you know, things that are meant for kind of the entertainment value of it. But actually, I saw that run. One of the consultants for the movie was Rockwell International, which built the space shuttle. So I was actually really surprised at some of the accuracies that they actually got in there. [00:02:30] Speaker B: So this came out in 1979, and the first shuttle launch was what, 81? [00:02:36] Speaker C: Is that right? [00:02:37] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. So this is actually, you know, before a space shuttle had actually launched. [00:02:45] Speaker A: That is interesting. But they existed, presumably. [00:02:48] Speaker B: I mean, they existed. But, yeah, the public knew about them, but they weren't an operating thing now that they can, you know, that people could go out and say, oh, that's not right, because the shuttle is actually like this. [00:03:03] Speaker C: So one of the things that I felt was very smart of the movie is they capitalized on all the excitement of the shuttle at that time. So just before the release of Moonraker, there was also, you know, the shuttle enterprise that was actually released, and that was a glider. Right. But it was, it did a lot of tests out in the, out of the desert in California. Of course, it was named after Star Trek as well. So it was named by Star Trek. [00:03:29] Speaker B: Fans, a fan write in campaign. I think they were originally going to call it like the Constitution. [00:03:34] Speaker C: Yes. [00:03:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:36] Speaker C: I thought it was awesome that, you know, they saw what was upcoming and, you know, they were really smart to capitalize on all the excitement at that time. [00:03:47] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. All right. So, Zach, you had seen this before, right? [00:03:52] Speaker A: You know, Christian, I feel like we should have an official segment of the podcast. That's what do you remember, if anything, of this movie? So, yes, I have seen it before. Longtime listeners may remember that I got my James Bond education watching the zero zero, seven days of Christmas on Spike TV. [00:04:09] Speaker B: Ah, yes, yes. [00:04:10] Speaker A: Back in the day. And it occurs to me now that they were probably edited for tv in some way or shape or form, probably. [00:04:17] Speaker B: Just like the Dalton ones. [00:04:19] Speaker A: I don't think I even saw those. I mean, for time if nothing else. So the point is, I did see it. The only part that I really remembered was, of course, the part where they're in space. [00:04:28] Speaker B: Ah, yes. [00:04:29] Speaker A: Though things did come back to me as I watched the movie. [00:04:32] Speaker B: Cool. Okay. And Colin, had you actually seen this before? [00:04:35] Speaker C: Yes, I watched it probably when I was in middle school. And funny enough, I had confused in my mind the location of where they were in space. So I thought that just based on the title, it was on the moon. And somehow in my mind, I had the idea of you only live twice type lair on the moon as well. Somehow I built that false memory in my head. [00:04:59] Speaker B: Part of that also maybe mixing it in with Austin Powers the spy who shag me, where they do have a volcano lair, and also they go to the moon. [00:05:12] Speaker C: That's probably all the things that happened in between when I watched it in middle school. Probably all jumbled in my mind. [00:05:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, now that we've got so the background, shall we get into our plot synopses? Yeah. [00:05:26] Speaker A: So, as always, we have our poetry plot synopsis. Credit to the delta flyers for coming up with this idea. So here is the haiku that I wrote for Moonraker. Pigeon double take. Don't make them like they used to. Too old for this shit. [00:05:45] Speaker B: All right. [00:05:46] Speaker A: I feel like that pretty much covers the movie, personally. [00:05:50] Speaker B: Is it more you're thinking he's too old? Interesting. [00:05:54] Speaker A: Let's just say that high definition tv doesn't do him any favors. [00:05:58] Speaker B: Fair enough. Well, it doesn't do anyone any favors. [00:06:01] Speaker A: No way, dude. The Bond girls still look great. [00:06:04] Speaker B: Okay, what's our limerick? [00:06:06] Speaker A: Yes. And then here's our limerick. Drax has a pretty sweet place, and he plays the piano with grace. He's got secrets and lies. But the fans rolled their eyes when James Bond went into space. I say this because I feel like this movie is considered, like, a joke. Now, the idea of James Bond in space is ridiculous, but I seem to remember at the time it was pretty well received. [00:06:29] Speaker B: It was. And, I mean, let's talk about the elephant in the room here. Okay, so 1979, what came out two years before that that swept the nation and the world, that would be star. The motion picture, that was. What year does Star motion picture come out? [00:06:47] Speaker A: I think a couple of years before Star wars. It wasn't a big difference. [00:06:51] Speaker B: It was after. It was, like, 78, actually, now that I think about it. [00:06:56] Speaker A: Ah, there you go. [00:06:57] Speaker B: So, yes, no, it was obviously Star wars. Definitely chasing that Star wars money. And, you know, to a degree, they. Oh, yes. Actually, Star Trek motion picture picture came out in 79 as well. But, yeah. So they're chasing that. That Star wars money, and they succeeded because they got, you know, this was, I don't remember, with or without inflation, one of the most popular, you know, most Orlando, highest grossing Bond films until, like, I think, Goldeneye came out or something like that. Just to prove the point of that. They weren't planning this until Star wars came out. If you watch the previous movie, the spy who loved me at the end of the credits, where it usually says, you know, James Bond will return in, I think they had, for your eyes only instead of Moonraker there. [00:07:44] Speaker A: They do move that around sometimes. [00:07:46] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, they do. Yeah. Let's have our actual plot synopsis from IMDb, Zach? [00:07:50] Speaker A: Yes. And then here's our actual plot synopsis. Very briefly. James Bond investigates the mid air theft of a space shuttle and discovers a plot to commit global genocide. Oh, my goodness. [00:08:01] Speaker C: I liked your poetry synopsis better. [00:08:03] Speaker A: Thank you. I did, too. [00:08:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:08:06] Speaker A: So now we jump into our plot recap. [00:08:09] Speaker B: Yeah. So we start with a shuttle orbiter. So I know we're gonna say shuttle all the time to refer to just this part right here. That's the orbiter. And yes, this is a Moonraker toy. I do have one of these, which. [00:08:24] Speaker A: Is just a space shuttle with Moonraker on it, presumably. [00:08:27] Speaker B: Well, no, it's actually. Well, there's got the actual designs, like logo. That she has a Drax logo. Space SLS space launch system is the entire thing. It's not just the orbiter. It's the orbiter, the external tank and the two solid rocket boosters. We're going to refer to the whole thing to just the orbiter as the shuttle a lot. [00:08:50] Speaker A: This opening scene has the great James Bond tradition of a bunch of random people getting killed by the bad guys. [00:08:55] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, the orbiter. A moonraker orbiter on. On top of a 747 where they're transporting it to England. Now this is actually how they transported the shuttle. [00:09:06] Speaker A: So do you guys remember those of you living in the DC area? Do you remember when they flew the shuttle over the DC area on its way to the Dulles Air and space Museum? [00:09:15] Speaker B: Yeah, that was, I believe it's discovery. Right. That came. [00:09:19] Speaker A: I ran out of the work where I was working and I watched it fly over. [00:09:23] Speaker B: I missed it. I didn't have a chance to see it, but that wouldn't be real cool. But we used to have enterprise over at Udvar Hazy, but now we've got. [00:09:32] Speaker C: Discovery flew over the DC area and it actually did a loop around NASA Goddard space flight center. Practically half the workforce at NASA Goddard was just out on the lawn watching it. [00:09:43] Speaker B: That's awesome. We see two people sneak into the orbiter and they start the engines. Except Khan. Do you want to take this one? Why can't they start the engines? [00:09:55] Speaker A: Oh, I want to know why not. They can't just turn the ignition on. [00:09:59] Speaker C: They might not necessarily be able to start the engines without any fuel. So the shuttle itself, well, it's not flown with. On the carrier with any fuel. But also when you hear, Christian, you were talking about the sts a little bit earlier. So that big, giant orange tank in front and then the two solid rocket boosters, those are actually the fuel to get it up into space. The big orange tank actually has both hydrogen and oxygen in it. So unfortunately, you can't start up the engines or fly it without that big orange tank. [00:10:30] Speaker A: Not at all. [00:10:31] Speaker B: Well, yes and no. And this is not going to work for all. This is a audio medium. But I'm doing this with my model here. So you have the big engines on the back called the ssmes, or space shuttle main engines. Those run on the fuel from the external tank. You do have on the side right here next to them, basically, like, more. They're called the Ohms orbital maneuvering system, which are basically just for use in space, in outer space itself, so that, you know, they're used for your deceleration to go back, come back from orbit, or you're making minute, you know, adjustments. So that's when the space shuttle is actually in space. That's how they maneuver it. In a real world, there would be zero fuel on it. But let's just say that they, there was fuel in it. They could use the ohms, but the ohms really wouldn't work in atmosphere. [00:11:26] Speaker A: So, yeah, you can't just fly it around like a normal airplane. It never even really occurred to me that you could do that. [00:11:31] Speaker B: Nope. No, you cannot. Also, I'm like, as soon as they started pressing buttons, I'm like, that's not, even if you did have fuel, that's not one of those buttons. Those switches are in a space shuttle. All your panels have, it's got a letter and a number. It's you. So your f, one, two, three, etcetera, that's in your front, you've got your overhead or o panel and then your c or center, and then you've got the right and left panel. And I remember as, because I was the pilot during spacecam, your panel, two reals, is all a lot of the buttons that you're going to use from, you know, when you're doing main engine start, you would not be pressing the overhead buttons like they are. [00:12:14] Speaker A: Yes, but the overhead buttons are the coolest buttons. You forgot. [00:12:18] Speaker B: You really can't see when they're reaching around to your side at panel two reals, which I had memorized by the end of it, because I was like, all right, I knew this, this, this, and that. Yeah, I know we usually hold our spy fact versus spy fiction for the end, but this one is like, I gotta get this out now. [00:12:35] Speaker C: This is awesome, because I feel like I'm talking with the space shuttle pilot as well. And I can comment from the engineering side, but you got the piloting side. [00:12:43] Speaker B: In this world, where there's somehow fuel, and also internal fuel in an orbiter, they launch the shuttle and fly it off, and the 747 carrying it explodes. [00:12:57] Speaker A: It's a great start. [00:12:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:00] Speaker C: So I actually found that really funny when it explodes, because it immediately explodes, and then it just starts going down immediately. And just based on its flight velocity, it probably wouldn't actually do that. [00:13:11] Speaker A: You mean like it drops directly down? [00:13:13] Speaker C: Yeah, it drops directly down. And not just that, but also, I mean, you start up those engines and you might melt a couple of things, but it wouldn't just go kaboom. Especially because that's not where the plane stores its fuel. [00:13:24] Speaker A: This arsenal reminds me of the best part of the mostly forgotten movie Superman returns when he saves the space shuttle being carried on top of the plane. [00:13:33] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. Which that one was designed to launch from a plane, if I recall. And there was a fictional shuttle, so. Yeah, that one makes sense. Anyway, so we get a quick scene of em and moneypenny, Em is looking for bond. And, you know, apparently he's on his last leg, literally. Cause he is, you know, feeling up a girl. [00:13:55] Speaker A: That made me laugh out loud. I'm not gonna lie. [00:13:59] Speaker B: Turns out the people, the, you know, the flight that he's on, not actually friendlies, they're bad guys who want to kill him. He ends up jumping out of a plane without a parachute. [00:14:09] Speaker A: This was great. This stunt looked really good. I think they filmed it by actually jumping. Guys fly out of the plane? [00:14:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:15] Speaker A: Did they have, I assume Roger Moore didn't do it? [00:14:18] Speaker B: No, no, it was a bunch of stunt guys, actually. For this one, they actually designed a brand new type of parachute that could be hidden underneath a jacket. And so that's how they were able to get away with it. So actually, when you watch it, the actor for Bond, when he's putting on the other parachute, he's actually has three parachutes on him there because he's got the hidden one under his blazer for emergencies. And then he's got his reserve and his main chute in his pack. [00:14:47] Speaker A: I see. So this seems great. Good fighting. Looks awesome, you know, looks totally real. But then it bugged me when Jaws showed up because I was like, where did Jaws come from? Was he on the plane the whole time? [00:15:01] Speaker B: Actually, yes. Go back to it. You can watch it. You can see he's in the copilot seat. [00:15:08] Speaker A: Oh, I'm surprised he didn't just show up then. [00:15:11] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:15:12] Speaker C: There was another thing that I found really funny about this, which was that they shot up the instrumentation panel on the plane and then the plane started going down. I don't think that's actually how it works either. [00:15:22] Speaker B: No? [00:15:23] Speaker A: Well, that's a science fiction. [00:15:26] Speaker B: Not unless. Alright, when they shoot the pilot and they kill him, he like, leans forward on the yoke, then that would actually go down, right? [00:15:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't want to start a whole argument here? Okay, so I'm just going to say it. Don't argue with me. I've never been a fan of Roger Moore as James Bond. Christian, I know you disagree. [00:15:49] Speaker B: Well, so, I mean, I have my soft spots for all the bonds. He's not my favorite, but I enjoy him. [00:15:55] Speaker A: This movie is not the peak silly of James Bond, but it's definitely getting there. And every time something cool happens, they immediately undermine it with something silly. So in this case, we have this totally awesome skydiving fight scene, but then it ends with Jaws landing on a circus with circus music. [00:16:13] Speaker B: You're forgetting when he's flapping his wings, when his parachute doesn't open, that is also stupid. [00:16:18] Speaker A: Thank you, Christian. [00:16:19] Speaker B: Yeah, no, thank you. Hey, don't get me wrong. This is also not. Well, yeah, I'm just put it out there. This is actually not my favorite Bond film, but it. [00:16:29] Speaker A: I don't think it's anyone's favorite Bond film. I'm just saying this is so irritating. [00:16:33] Speaker B: There are people out there who love this, like, legitimately, really love this. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, they're bond. Bond movies take all types, so. But it's one I still enjoy. But there's a lot of silliness. And, you know, sometimes you're just in a mood for that kind of silliness. Jaws parachute doesn't work, so he survives by landing in a circus tent. [00:16:55] Speaker A: So then we have the opening credits. For once, it makes sense that naked women are floating around. Get it, cuz, like they're in space. [00:17:02] Speaker B: Uh oh. Yeah. There's a. Like, I was not impressed with this title sequence. It was kind of dull to me. [00:17:08] Speaker A: Well, the song I did not care about. [00:17:11] Speaker B: Well, I have a soft, soft spot for this song, and so I don't know if I ever told you this, Zach, that some of my lullabies for my daughter are like, all of the, like, the ballady James Bond themes. Like, you're, you know, nobody does it better, actually. There's a whole run, like, nobody does it better. Moonraker for your eyes only. All time high. That's where it ends. Yeah. So I've sung this one a lot to my daughter. So I'm like, I have a soft spot for. And it's Shirley Bassi back for her third bond theme, so you can't really go wrong with Shirley Bassy. [00:17:45] Speaker A: I see. Tom, did you have any thoughts on the opening? [00:17:48] Speaker C: I just. I love the fact that it was actually these, like, kind of cheesy, but actually kind of retro cool seventies graphics that, you know, that they had for it. And you're absolutely right. So I think that that swimming scene is a really good preview of how they attempt to show weightlessness a little bit later in the movie, whether in space. [00:18:09] Speaker B: Definitely of that seventies design. But I was just like. I kind of wanted more. Like, you could do one in space. Do something more. [00:18:19] Speaker A: Yeah, fair enough. [00:18:21] Speaker B: All right, so we next go where Bon arrives in M's office. He meets Q and the minister of defense. [00:18:27] Speaker A: He only gets the one Q gadget. [00:18:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Well, interesting. Yes. And, well, he gets the one, but we see others featured later on. [00:18:35] Speaker A: Yes. [00:18:36] Speaker C: I was actually surprised that you had to reload the gadget. I mean, I don't feel like. I feel like that's a fail by cold war, you know, standards. [00:18:47] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely a design issue. Right. I was fighting multiple people. [00:18:52] Speaker B: Yeah. But we find out the moonraker was being flown from America on the back of that 74 seven on a loan to England, and it crashed somewhere in the Yukon. But when they analyzed the crash, there was no wreckage of the orbiter, so it must have been some sort of mid air hijack. We find out that the Moonraker shuttle was built in California by Drax Industries. [00:19:14] Speaker A: So I do appreciate that. This is kind of like doctor no where it's a detective story, even though it's transparently obvious who the bad guy is right away. But that's true with all James Bond movies. [00:19:25] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, like we said, we get his new. He gets a new gadget. It's a wrist dart gun. I. We have bond landing in California. And what I like here is it actually did land in LAx because you can see the encounter building in the distance. [00:19:40] Speaker A: Hollywood. [00:19:41] Speaker B: Yeah. Then he is taken to a. In a helicopter to the Drax estate, where we are definitely no longer in California. [00:19:51] Speaker C: Well, it's a. I love that. It's a little slice of France just in the middle. I mean, you could tell that it's actually, you know, within probably the. The La Valley. [00:20:00] Speaker B: Right. [00:20:00] Speaker C: But it's just this little slice of France in the middle of there. [00:20:05] Speaker A: I mean, talk about that nice house that Drax has. [00:20:09] Speaker B: Yes. [00:20:10] Speaker A: I gotta say, when James Bond first meets Drax, something they don't do in movies anymore, let alone James Bond movies, is there's just babes everywhere in this movie. Yeah, that's why I had my haiku. They don't make them like that anymore. [00:20:25] Speaker B: Ah, okay. I was wondering about that. [00:20:29] Speaker A: Well, there's a bunch of reasons, but that's the main one. That jumped out to me. [00:20:32] Speaker C: I loved that when the helicopter was landing, though, you know, and they showed all the people on his estate that were exercising, and it was only the women that were in skimpy outfits. You know, the men just had, like, normal exercise outfits, but the women with the skimpy outfits. [00:20:46] Speaker A: See what I mean? Thank you. Thank you. [00:20:48] Speaker B: And so he's flown by Corinne, who is just, who's a pilot, and we find out that apparently Drax transported every stone from France. So as an excuse for why this all just looks very french. So Bon Mitz Drax, who's playing a piano. Does he look familiar? [00:21:06] Speaker A: Zach, does he look familiar? No, he looks like a very generic James Bond villain. [00:21:11] Speaker B: Well, he's in one of your favorite movies. Oh, yeah, Munich. [00:21:16] Speaker A: I know that's one of my favorite movies. [00:21:17] Speaker B: Well, one of his favorite movies we've. [00:21:19] Speaker A: Covered, but that is true. Which one was he? [00:21:22] Speaker B: He is the head of the family of the french family that they do business with. [00:21:28] Speaker A: Yeah, and you mentioned it at the time. [00:21:29] Speaker B: I mentioned at the time that. Oh, the act. The other actor, Matthew Almerick, or something to that effect, who's the main guy he deals with later, would play a bond, a Bond villain opposite Daniel Craig, who was also in Munich. [00:21:43] Speaker A: That's right. [00:21:43] Speaker B: Anyways. But yes, Michael Lonsdale. We find out that the shuttle is not just made in California, but by other subsidiaries of Draxes all around the world. He's also got some well trained dogs that we notice. [00:21:56] Speaker A: That's right. And we meet his man servant, who's like a discount oddjob. He's like oddjob at work. [00:22:03] Speaker B: Chang. Yes, Chang. [00:22:04] Speaker A: Yes, that's right. And Doctor Goodhead, which is hilarious. [00:22:08] Speaker B: Yes, yes. [00:22:09] Speaker A: Again, they don't make them like they used to. [00:22:12] Speaker B: So Doctor Goodhead is a fully NAS trained NASA science. NASA astronauts. I like how when they bring up NASA, she has to specifically call out the space administration as if the whole world didn't know what NASA was, you know, about, what, ten years before that when we landed on the moon? [00:22:31] Speaker A: Do you guys like the part where James Bond is like, a woman doctor? That's crazy. [00:22:35] Speaker B: He's like a woman. [00:22:39] Speaker A: She gives it right back to him, though. [00:22:40] Speaker C: I like that you mentioned Chang a little bit earlier, and I love the fact that Chang is like a random agglomeration of asian stereotypes all put into one. So he's supposed to be japanese. He's wearing a japanese kimono, but it's not really tied very well. His name is more chinese. He's also serving tea, the european way, which I actually found really funny as well. [00:23:06] Speaker B: That is pretty funny. Yeah, that is true. [00:23:09] Speaker A: And then later he uses the Japanese, like, not a katana but like a training one. [00:23:13] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Like the kendo sword. [00:23:15] Speaker B: Kendo. [00:23:16] Speaker A: That's it. Thank you. [00:23:17] Speaker B: What is called a shinai. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. [00:23:21] Speaker C: I was thinking is the absolute worst way to actually go attack someone if you're trying to assassinate them. [00:23:26] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. But we will get there. [00:23:29] Speaker A: Yeah, they're not there yet. [00:23:30] Speaker B: We're not quite there yet. So they go to, I guess, what must be their version of the vehicle assembly building because that's where they have their shuttles. Except the vab can fit like one shuttle. This one somehow has like six. [00:23:43] Speaker A: It looked awesome. [00:23:45] Speaker B: How huge? And I know this is like a point of reference that everyone, they always say on the tours at Kennedy Space center that, you know, Vab is so huge that the american flag painted on the side of it. Stripes are wide enough that you can drive like a tour bus on them. Nice. Yeah. [00:24:02] Speaker A: I also like that Drax mentions he's like, he gave the UK an extra shuttle. He's had an extra shuttle lying around, which is pretty funny. Guys, Con, you can help me. Back me up on this. There's a part where Doctor Goodhead says to bond. He like asks what the moonraker is and she says, oh, it's an orbital space shuttle. It can orbit the Earth and reenter on its own. And I was like, but that's just a normal space shuttle that she's describing, except Moonraker special. [00:24:32] Speaker B: But remember this is before the space shuttle actually launched. That's. [00:24:37] Speaker A: Well, that's why it confused me. [00:24:39] Speaker B: Yes. [00:24:40] Speaker A: Basically Moonraker is the space shuttle. [00:24:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:43] Speaker C: Right. [00:24:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:44] Speaker A: Okay. [00:24:44] Speaker C: It is. It's actually out of all of the space hardware that they feature in this movie, the space shuttle is actually the most accurate. Like, I was. I was looking at it and I was like, wow, they did a really good job with this. [00:24:57] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Most. Most of the panels are there. I mean, there's definitely some liberties taken in some places and we'll get to those. But looking at my little model here, the one thing that is off is the windows are not quite like. The windows in the front are not quite right. Yeah. There's usually just two big windows, if I recall. And this one has them broken up more like the concords. Like front. Yeah. So we get a scene in a centrifuge. Because of course every movie where you have someone who's going to train to be an astronaut has to be in a centrifuge. [00:25:38] Speaker A: Yeah. And they often almost die. [00:25:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:40] Speaker C: Yeah, I was definitely. Well, so I had two questions about this particular scene. One was, why would they just put them directly into a centrifuge on the tour? Right. And why would he agree to it as well? Right. And the other one was, I was definitely getting. Especially when it started spinning up really quickly. I was getting little recall vibes with, you know, being on the surface of Mars. [00:26:04] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I actually liked this part. I thought it was pretty intense. And I was like, well, how is James Bond going to get out of this one? And I forgot about the Q gadget. I thought. I didn't think you would use it this early. I thought Doctor Goodhead was going to come back and save him. [00:26:20] Speaker B: Yeah, I did like that they have, you know, they have a chicken switch that, you know, if it gets too intense, he could press that button. But, of course, Chang disabled it. And I also like, well, they give the specifications of. All right, you know, three G's is about takeoff pressure, but you can go up to 20 g's, which would be fatal. But why would you make it able to do that? Like Han, I know it. Goddard, there is a centerfuge. But that was not. There's no. It wasn't set up for, like, manned first. People actually use it. It's for testing your actual instrumentation for any robotic spacecraft. [00:26:56] Speaker C: It's actually. It can withstand a lot greater launch loads because, you know, they don't have the soft, squishy parts that. Exactly. That humans have. So that makes sense to actually go up to something like 20 g's. But, you know, to answer your question, Christianity, I mean, it's just to knock off the astronauts that you don't want in your program. Right. [00:27:17] Speaker B: But, yes. So he uses the dart gun to stop the whole thing. And then what I like here is he's definitely frazzled. And he's so frazzled, he doesn't even have a quip after he gets out of there. [00:27:29] Speaker A: Yeah, he looks pretty frazzled, too. [00:27:32] Speaker B: On my list is to do. To do a centrifuge. I don't. They don't have one at a space camp, or at least not the one that I was. I saw what they did have is basically one of those carnival rides where you're, you know, it's like, shaped like a circle, and it just spins around really fast and you sort of pin to the back of it. You could slide up and down. And that, you know, that gives you some amount of g force. But it's not as much as a centrifuge, and I think that would be an experience. So Bond goes to Corinne's room to seduce some information out of her. I. [00:28:07] Speaker A: Okay, and why is this room so nice? She said that she's just a pilot. It's like a five star hotel suite. [00:28:14] Speaker B: Because he. It's a fancy french mansion, so every room is this nice. [00:28:20] Speaker A: I choose to believe that she's Drax's personal. Uh, you know, I mean, I believe. [00:28:25] Speaker B: She is also, like, his secretary, because she knows the room. [00:28:28] Speaker A: Wink, wink, wink. [00:28:29] Speaker B: Uh, maybe. Who knows? I don't know. See, the thing is, though, the Drax never. She seems to show any interest like that. [00:28:38] Speaker A: What about the babes that hang around with them all the time? Is that just for status? [00:28:42] Speaker B: Probably for status. And also because probably they're also part of the, you know, eugenics program. [00:28:48] Speaker A: Yeah, there you go. [00:28:50] Speaker B: If we're gonna call a spade this babe. That's what it is. [00:28:53] Speaker A: Yeah, but, yeah, so we get some good spying in this part. He has a safe cracker gadget. I like that. I liked it, too. [00:29:01] Speaker B: Me up. And I think both of you have done that before. With. Done. Did with me. Operation Spy. Back at the old spot museum location, there was a segment where you have to crack a safe. Now, I was. And I always did that. And I was able to do it because the safe, unlike a real safe, was clear. So you could actually see, you know, the wheels of the combination lock that you're trying to uncoat. So it's like, all right, this is a way for bond to get that without on a real safe. Was having his little x ray machine. [00:29:35] Speaker A: There you go. And then we get the Minax camera with the zero zero seven on it. [00:29:39] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Very nice. Very nice. [00:29:42] Speaker C: I really love that. I was also, funny enough, I put so in my notes. I was actually really upset that he put this. He took the documents out of the safe, and then he put it back in there without taking note of the order of them before. And I was like, no, what are you doing? You're supposed to be a good spot. [00:30:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:02] Speaker A: How do you know he did it? Maybe he just did too quickly. [00:30:07] Speaker B: But. Yeah, so. But what he sees in those plans is something about venetian glass, and he sees a particular brand. I think it's Veneni glass or something like that. Yeah. So I'm gonna talk about Corinne a little bit here, where she says, you know, my mother gave me a list of things to. Not to do on a first date. And then, like, when they start kissing. He says, what about that list of yours I never learned how to read. [00:30:28] Speaker A: As I. Christian, stop stealing all of my favorite lines. That was on mine as well. I linked it because it's so bad. [00:30:36] Speaker B: So bad, though. Oh. Like, of the. Of the thing. Like, of the reason. Oh, just. Just. [00:30:43] Speaker A: Wow. [00:30:44] Speaker C: While I was taking notes, while I was watching this, what I wrote for this scene was not hashtag me too friendly. [00:30:50] Speaker B: Oh, no, no. [00:30:53] Speaker A: Come on. He's James Bond. [00:30:55] Speaker C: Yeah, that's very true. But I love the fact that, like, he shows up, and then she just starts divulging secrets and, you know. [00:31:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:04] Speaker A: Unless Drax was in on it the whole time. [00:31:07] Speaker B: Doubtful, especially given what happens to her. [00:31:10] Speaker A: So, actually, I don't want to be difficult. [00:31:12] Speaker B: Uh, okay. [00:31:14] Speaker A: But did they ever explain why Drax stole the moonray in the first place? [00:31:19] Speaker B: And we'll get that later. And it is in my nose. [00:31:21] Speaker A: Okay, thank you. [00:31:22] Speaker B: So there is a reaction. [00:31:24] Speaker A: I missed it, I think. [00:31:25] Speaker B: All right. Yeah, because I was wondering that, too. We got to say. Oh, okay. They did explain why, because. Yeah, yeah, it'll make sense. Next we get a hunting scene where Drax is hunting. I believe it's. [00:31:37] Speaker A: Is it geese or most dangerous game? [00:31:41] Speaker B: Bond comes over to him because he's, you know, leaving. I like how the horn that plays plays also sprak Zarathustra, however you pronounce that. The theme from 2001 to space Odyssey. [00:31:54] Speaker A: That's right. And then again, they try to kill James Bond in the most, like, inefficient, strangest way to do it. [00:32:01] Speaker B: Well, it would be like a hunting accident. [00:32:03] Speaker A: Uh huh. Sure. [00:32:05] Speaker B: You know, that's. That's their cover for this, you know, so he got Dick Cheney. [00:32:10] Speaker A: Yeah, I actually thought Dick Cheney as well, watching this part. [00:32:13] Speaker B: I like this, though. You know, where tracks. Convinces him to have a shot, have a go at shooting, and, you know, he tracks some. I think it's geese. I'm not actually sure. Tracks it and tracks it across where the sniper is, shoots and Drax, like, you missed. Did I? And the guy falls out of the tree. [00:32:34] Speaker A: Yeah, it's an old. It's an old trope, but I still like it. I do like how they look. And then Drax knows and Bond knows. And Drax knows that bond knows. And Bond knows that Drax knows that Bond knows. [00:32:43] Speaker B: Yeah, but nobody does anything, and no one says it out loud. [00:32:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:47] Speaker C: So I was wondering why Bond pretty much goes there, and Jax is trying to convince that he's not complicit in all of this, and yet he does all these things to make it seem like he's very complicit in trying to kill Bond. [00:32:59] Speaker B: Yeah. I think he's just. Well, because he knows his plan is going ahead real soon. So it doesn't matter if he just kills Bond, because there will be no consequence, because there will be no one to bring consequences to him. [00:33:11] Speaker C: That's a good point. [00:33:12] Speaker A: Classic bad guy overconfidence, in other words. [00:33:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:16] Speaker B: But on a more terrifying note, after Bond leaves, Corinne is chased by those well trained dogs and, like. And it's kind of gruesome. Like, you don't see anything. The camera pans up before you actually see anything. But it's like, wow, that's. That's a terrible way to go. [00:33:35] Speaker A: Yeah. And then the dogs never come back. I thought James Bond was going to fight them later, but I guess not. [00:33:41] Speaker C: I was impressed at how quickly she ran in high heels, though. I was thinking that that was the most impressive run since I saw that in Jurassic World. [00:33:49] Speaker A: And when she runs right past the golf cart. [00:33:53] Speaker B: Oh, I missed that. [00:33:54] Speaker A: I'm not going to judge that because she was probably, like, scared. [00:33:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:57] Speaker A: Wasn't thinking. It is sad, though. This movie isn't quite the James Bond girl formula, but it's close. Well, in the sense that one dies and one, it comes along later. [00:34:08] Speaker B: But there's a surprise twist to that formula. And we'll get to that when we do. Saban arrives in Venice, and he goes to the shop where the venetian glass is from. Sees the glassblowers making hexagonal tubes. [00:34:19] Speaker A: There's this girl at the desk who. It looks like she's 15. Okay, do you guys notice this goes. James Bond's like, hey, what's up? [00:34:30] Speaker B: He says, can I offer you anything? He's like, I'm. What does he say? Something effective. I'm tempted to say yes immediately. [00:34:36] Speaker A: Yeah. It's like, ew, stop. Yeah, good head. Is there. We got some nice sets. There's some, it's like a video game where the music starts. You know there's going to be a fight. There's like, danger music. [00:34:48] Speaker B: Yeah. I also like where we get basically the. The room of breakable objects, which we see. I was, like, looking around, like, these look like definitely some of the same locations that are in the, like the last scene in Casino Royale where they're running around Venice. [00:35:03] Speaker A: Yeah. They just love going back to Venice. And these action rooms. [00:35:06] Speaker B: I mean, you know, I've never been to Venice. I want to go. So someday soon, hopefully, I will get to go there and you know, run around these random columns. [00:35:16] Speaker A: There you go. [00:35:16] Speaker B: Bon asks Goodhead what she's doing there. She's addressing a seminar of the European Space Commission. Is that a thing? [00:35:23] Speaker C: Not a thing. [00:35:24] Speaker B: I think so. There's the ESA, which is your european space agency, but that's not a commission. [00:35:30] Speaker C: This actually motivated me to look up what the history of ESA was. And the European Space Agency was established in 1975. So I don't know why they wouldn't have just said that. But what existed before was actually the european launcher Development Organization and the European Space Research Organization. So they could have used any of those acronyms. [00:35:50] Speaker B: No, but they just decided to make something else. But, yeah. So he says, all right, well, you know, let's have a drink after your address. And she says, oh, I can't think of a reason to say no. I like this, though. This is the start of a fun set of action scenes. Bond gets on a gondola and we get a funeral gondola, which I didn't know was a thing. And I'm actually not sure if it is actually a thing. [00:36:15] Speaker A: I'm kind of. [00:36:17] Speaker B: But it approaches. But I like how as it gets close, the casket opens and then that little like, contraption that brings out all the knives to him turns around again. [00:36:27] Speaker A: A very elaborate and unnecessarily complicated way to kill James Bond. [00:36:32] Speaker B: Like, I'm going to quote doctor evil here, Zach, where it's like, you know, where he says, you know, why don't you just get a gun and shoot him? And doctor Evil says, you just don't get it, do you, Scott? [00:36:42] Speaker A: Yeah, this is not how it works. So then he gets chased. The bad guys shooting him use an mp 40 machine gun, just like right out of World War Two. I don't know why they're using it. Now. [00:36:56] Speaker B: He kills the guy in the casket. And the casket is used for its proper purpose now. [00:37:02] Speaker A: That's right. [00:37:03] Speaker C: So the guy is kind of made up to look like he's, you know, he's dead anyway. So. Yeah, the fact that he falls in the casket I thought was just perfect. [00:37:12] Speaker B: Also, I enjoy that the gondola has a turbo mode, so he could just go super fast in the gondola. [00:37:18] Speaker A: I mean, see what I mean? How it's like right on the edge of like, stupid? And then it finally goes over the top. [00:37:25] Speaker B: Oh, you thought this turbo mode was stupid? [00:37:27] Speaker A: No, I thought it was almost stupid. [00:37:29] Speaker B: Okay. [00:37:30] Speaker A: I thought it was like right out there. [00:37:32] Speaker B: It goes over the top. Well, I like the sight gags we have here. You know, crashing into the kissing couple. And they're so distracted they don't notice that half their boat's gone. [00:37:42] Speaker A: That's right. [00:37:43] Speaker B: But yes, here's where it goes over the air, over the line, Zach. Where the gondola turns into a hovercraft. [00:37:50] Speaker A: So do you remember the pigeon square from spies in disguise? [00:37:53] Speaker B: That is St. Mark's Square. That's the same square. Yeah. [00:37:56] Speaker A: So this is the infamous pigeon double take mentioned before. I guess because you guys are laughing. You liked it. [00:38:06] Speaker B: I knew was there. I was expecting it and I just let the music and you just have him like turning his head. It's definitely just a camera trick. They didn't. I would have been more impressed if they trained a pigeon to do that. [00:38:19] Speaker A: Yeah. So this was, I think scenes like this is led to the joke of James Bond as a spy. But he's also very famous. Everyone seems to know who he is and he's always doing things to draw attention to himself. [00:38:30] Speaker B: I also like here and I don't remember how many we'll see because who directed this one? This is Louis Gilbert, maybe. There's a recurring joke in a couple of bond movies of the drunk guy who sees something that crazy that bonds doing, looks at his wine and then like throws in this thing. It's in this one, it's in a couple others. I don't remember which one, but I enjoy just that recurring bit of. Alright, I keep going to all these being on vacation and something crazy happens. Maybe I should really stop drinking. [00:39:02] Speaker A: Do you think it's supposed to be the same guy? That's hilarious. [00:39:05] Speaker B: Well, cuz it's like the same guy. [00:39:07] Speaker A: Yeah, that's great. [00:39:09] Speaker B: He's in at least two of them. I don't remember what the other one is. [00:39:12] Speaker C: Yeah, this is where though I. And Zach, you were saying this a little bit before that. You know, Roger Moore is not. You don't necessarily like him as Bond, but one of the things I love about him is that he actually leans into the jokes like he realizes that he's supposed to be pretty silly. So, you know, I mean, this is where I can't imagine another Bond movie where I could actually take pigeon double take. And you know, think about it kind of like, oh, it feeds. It fits into this movie pretty well. But imagine that with the Roger movie. [00:39:42] Speaker B: The only one who might get close is Brosnan. But he wouldn't. It's. He. It's. No. [00:39:48] Speaker A: Can you imagine Sean Connery driving that gondola across St. Mark's Square? It feels weird. [00:39:55] Speaker B: Right in the land of his, of his tenure and to diamonds are forever. Sure. Kind of ridiculous. Gets real ridiculous. But doesn't mean we have to like it, though. That night, sneaks back into the glass shop, sneaks around. We get the close encounters theme for the code to get into, for the keypad. [00:40:16] Speaker A: That's right. If you meet some scientists, the scientists kill themselves with gas. [00:40:21] Speaker B: Christian. No, he's responsible for this. [00:40:24] Speaker A: Oh, really? [00:40:25] Speaker B: So the scientists are filling up the canisters with gas. When they leave the room. He grabs one of the canisters, which has, like, six vials in it. He pockets one of them, and then it leaves it on top of the pod that they're supposed to go into when the scientists come. And then he hears the scientists come back. He doesn't put the vials away and hides in the glass in case, you know, where it's safe. When the scientists move the podesthenne, the glass, the vials break. So it's his fault that they're dead. They're probably, you know, in on the whole deal because they're, you know, they know what they're transporting, what they're doing. So no real tear shed. But it is his fault. It's not by accident. [00:41:07] Speaker A: Do you remember the part in triple X where the bad guy gases all the scientists? Was it Triple X? [00:41:13] Speaker B: Could have been. I don't actually remember, no. [00:41:16] Speaker C: All right, so one of the other things that you mentioned a little bit earlier was that, you know, they were really trying to capitalize on the success of Star wars. And when they walked into this room in Venice with all the, you know, with all the fancy equipment and gas, I was just thinking, did. Did the empire design this room? Like, it looks so much like imperial architecture? [00:41:37] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, we'll get some even more, like, blatant design choices a little bit later. [00:41:45] Speaker A: Well, you know, I do appreciate that most of the movie, they're not in space. And then it does feel like a pretty normal James Bond movie. [00:41:51] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I like it. Is a decent, like, at least up to this point. I'm having a fun time. Like, all right, he's finding out what's going on. There's been fun little bits of action. And we get one of my favorite things in this next part. James Bond sword fighting. [00:42:08] Speaker A: Right. And destroying stuff. [00:42:13] Speaker B: Yeah. So we have. He's about to escape, but he counters Chang in kendo gear, waving around a shinai, which, like Khan said earlier, is probably of the different types of, you know, equipment he could have used is the least effective. I've been hit with a shani. It hurts. It's not gonna kill you. You get hit hard with a bokken, which is the solid wooden one. That's. You get in the back of the head. That'll. That could knock you out or kill you. So there's really no reason why he should be using that. And I did enjoy that. You know, Roger Moore grabbed the glass handled sword, which is like a fencing foil or some type of fencing sword, maybe more of a rapier. And we get some good sword fighting. Like, as a former fencer, I was like, all right, he's definitely got some form. He was trained to do this. [00:43:07] Speaker A: So I know I was making fun of Roger Moore for being old, which he is. But he does do a good job with the fights. [00:43:14] Speaker B: Yeah, he does. He definitely does. [00:43:16] Speaker A: It's the macking on the ladies where it gets really unfortunate. [00:43:20] Speaker B: This is in the room with all of the glass. Artifacts break everything. I did enjoy the one bit where they, like, you know, there's the one piece that's so valuable, they have an alarm just for it. A few, like, you put your hand near it and, like, it breaks, and he puts, like, just the base of it down, and that just turns off the alarm. [00:43:41] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right. [00:43:42] Speaker B: Yeah, please. I like here that bond actually does something smart. He checks the vial in his pocket after the fight to make sure he's not broken it. And actually, you know what? This did remind me of Zack, which movie we've covered recently. [00:43:57] Speaker A: Yeah, weird. So you have to make sure it doesn't. Oh, um, the rock. [00:43:59] Speaker B: The rock. [00:44:00] Speaker A: There we go. He was gonna come to me. [00:44:03] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, of course. [00:44:06] Speaker A: The fight ends with the baguette getting thrown out the window at a very public death. Again. [00:44:13] Speaker B: Yep. [00:44:13] Speaker A: Well, it's almost like there's a super spy in town. [00:44:16] Speaker B: But also while he's, you know, looking for Chang in that, like, attic area, he notices a bunch of boxes marked for Rio. So Doctor Goodhead is relaxing in her room. I'm just gonna call her Holly, because saying good head all over, over and over. [00:44:33] Speaker A: Come on, come on. [00:44:38] Speaker B: Well, she's relaxing her in her room after her presentation to the fictional space agency. [00:44:43] Speaker A: Yeah. And she's got a bunch of hidden weapons. We discover. [00:44:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Bon surprises her, tells her that chang attacked her. Bond is going through all her things. It finds all the variety of spy gadgets and including poison pan dart gun, diary, flamethrower, perfume, none of which gets used later. One of which gets used. [00:45:04] Speaker A: That's disappointing. [00:45:05] Speaker B: Just one? Well, that's like your average Q scene. You see all these things, and then he'll give you, like, they'll use one thing. [00:45:13] Speaker A: That's right. [00:45:14] Speaker B: Apparently, this is all standard CIA equipment, which means that Holly Goodhead works for the CIA as well as NASA. Doctor Goodhead proposes that they pool resources. And he notices a plane ticket for Rio as well as packed luggage. But does she? Doesn't say anything. [00:45:30] Speaker A: Right. [00:45:31] Speaker B: And they sleep together. [00:45:33] Speaker A: No promises, though. [00:45:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:45:35] Speaker A: Which is interesting. [00:45:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I mean, they're both secret agents, so they know how this world works. Bond wakes up and leaves, thinking that he's one step ahead of her. But as soon as he gets out of bed, I'm Holly opens her eyes and then, like, leaves for the airport immediately. [00:45:50] Speaker A: That's right. [00:45:51] Speaker B: So that, you know, she is cliche of. All right, you know, this bond girl is new and different, and she's bond's equal, but this is actually one of the cases where she is kind of actually his equal. [00:46:01] Speaker A: Well, I don't know about that. Closer to it, maybe. [00:46:03] Speaker B: Okay, Bond is with M and the minister of defense going to the glass factory where Bond found the vials. [00:46:10] Speaker A: This is great. [00:46:11] Speaker B: He has them all put on gas masks, and they enter the building, press the code, and everything is gone. There's no laboratory there. It's just tracks. [00:46:23] Speaker A: Yeah. He tries to stand there, and then they're like, oh, my God, this is so embarrassing. Zero, zero, seven. What are you doing? You're off the case. [00:46:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:30] Speaker A: It's so funny. [00:46:31] Speaker B: The minister of defense apologizes. Yeah. And after all of the huffing and puffing of the minister of defense, Vaughn gives em the vial and so tells him to have q analyze it. M says, all right, well, you know, you're off the case, so you should take a. Two leaks, two weeks leave. Any idea where you might go? Well, I always wanted to go to Rio, sir. [00:46:52] Speaker A: There you go. So I do like the next part where Drax is on the phone. He's like, hey, my henchmen died. Can I get a replacement? Henchmen? [00:47:00] Speaker B: Yep. [00:47:00] Speaker A: He's like, oh, wow, Jaws is available. That's great. Who? [00:47:06] Speaker C: That's how it's always done in the villain world. [00:47:09] Speaker B: Who is supplying. Is there a villain union? [00:47:12] Speaker A: Well, I mean, I assume it's Spectre. [00:47:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:47:15] Speaker A: The Spectre still around in the Roger Moore era? [00:47:17] Speaker B: No. [00:47:18] Speaker A: Well, they're gone. [00:47:20] Speaker B: Yes and no. [00:47:21] Speaker C: They became a villain supplier. [00:47:23] Speaker B: Yeah, we get it. This is the phase of the time where there's lawsuits over the rights to Spectre. The very next film is where we'll see sort of the last event. Blofeld inspector until. Until 2015. [00:47:37] Speaker A: Pretty much until they reboot it. [00:47:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:39] Speaker A: It's like, I feel like Jaws could have just shown up. They didn't really need a scene where he gets hired. But I like that, especially because the vast majority of the movie is through James Bond's eyes, so to speak. But this one part is not. [00:47:55] Speaker C: Yeah, I was thinking it might set him up for. Because he's not necessarily, you know, he's just a henchman for hire. So it might actually set up for the part where he's more disillusioned at the end. [00:48:05] Speaker B: Could be. Could be. Yeah, that's. [00:48:06] Speaker A: That's right. [00:48:07] Speaker B: But I do enjoy that we get, you know, it's like the Wolverine gag, you know, goes through, you know, airport security. And of course he goes off because he's got metal teeth. [00:48:17] Speaker A: That's right. Jaws is getting sillier too, right along with his arch nemesis Joe's bond. [00:48:23] Speaker B: So Bond lands on the Concorde in Rio. Now this exactly. Concord, is that the udfar hazy air and space museum out near Dulles. [00:48:36] Speaker C: Oh, I didn't realize that. [00:48:37] Speaker B: Yeah, if you look at the tail numbers, they are the same. [00:48:40] Speaker A: Wow. The plane, that is. [00:48:42] Speaker B: Yes, yes. [00:48:43] Speaker A: Interesting. [00:48:44] Speaker C: Yeah, I did like the fact that they featured Rio as one of the, you know, the destinations for the Concorde. It was one of the first Concorde flights was actually from Paris to Rio. [00:48:56] Speaker B: Really? I didn't know that. That's interesting. [00:48:58] Speaker A: Oh, nice. That's a good choice. [00:49:01] Speaker B: As he's, you know, going from the airport to his hotel, we see a girl taking a photo of him. He's shown to his room, which is the president's suite, and we hear someone shaking a martini shaker. This is manuela. She works for station vh, which I'm not sure where that's supposed to be. [00:49:19] Speaker A: Well, regardless, bond immediately makes a move on her. [00:49:22] Speaker B: Uh huh. Yeah. Before he does, he mentions the letter c and w which he saw on the. On the boxes. They were going to rio. They're importers, a direct subsidiary. But that's when he moved. Makes his move with his lot. I'm not my. Am I stepping on anyone's line? Favorite line here. [00:49:41] Speaker A: No. [00:49:42] Speaker B: What do you do? [00:49:43] Speaker A: Not this time. [00:49:43] Speaker B: All right. What are you doing for 5 hours in rio? If you don't samba? Pull on the belt. [00:49:51] Speaker A: Yikes. [00:49:51] Speaker C: You're just gift wrapped. Yeah, right. [00:49:54] Speaker A: Well, doesn't he ask her? Do you come with the suite? Which is kind of sexist. [00:49:58] Speaker C: Depends on who's watching it. [00:50:00] Speaker B: Yeah. 5 hours later, presumably we are. This is carnival. Right? I was like, this is not cardigan carnival because. [00:50:10] Speaker C: Of course. Exactly. Somehow, right. That's the only thing that, like, that's. That's the only time that movies go to Rio is during carnival. [00:50:19] Speaker B: Like, if you go to Pompona, of course you're there during the running of the bulls. [00:50:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Why else would you go? [00:50:24] Speaker C: Exactly. It's just a ghost town otherwise. [00:50:27] Speaker B: Yep. Bon and Manuela sneak into the CNW warehouse. Manuela standing guard while Bon goes in. Bon finds some Drax air flight logos. While Manuela encounters a tall clown who, of course, is jaws. [00:50:42] Speaker A: Yeah. This was scary. [00:50:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:43] Speaker A: And I like that she, like, fights him, almost dies, almost survives. You know, it's a good back and forth. [00:50:51] Speaker B: Yeah. And then, like, you know, when he. When he's trying to kill her and the crowd of partiers approaches, he pretends that they're just a drunkenly dancing. And then that's how he gets ferried away. Or how they get away from him at the end is basically a bunch of partiers come and he gets swept up away with them. And I like how at certain point he's fighting it and then he just decides to go with it. All right, I'm gonna be dancing. [00:51:16] Speaker A: He's not paid enough. I also like the moment of recognition between him and James Bond. It's like. So we meet again. [00:51:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:24] Speaker C: I was surprised she didn't actually scream, though, when. Yeah, when jaws was, you know, pretty much held her captive. Because, I mean, it's not like she has anything to lose by screaming. At that point, with the partiers coming. [00:51:36] Speaker B: Through, the only thing. Oh, yeah. I guess with the parties, the only thing that, you know, maybe she's trying not to call attention to the fact that bond is in the warehouse. That's the only reason I can think of it. But once the partiers are there. Yeah, she can. Screw she. I presume she's just in shock or something. [00:51:52] Speaker A: There you go. [00:51:53] Speaker B: Also. What? I was surprised she doesn't die at the end of this. I thought she dies. [00:52:00] Speaker A: It would make sense because she disappears. You never see her again. [00:52:03] Speaker B: Yeah, well, she's. Yeah. You know, she. She's a local agent, so. And usually what happens with these local female agents is, you know, they're part of the mission and then they die. [00:52:12] Speaker A: Well, that's the formula. [00:52:13] Speaker B: Bond mourns them briefly and then moves on with the mission. [00:52:16] Speaker A: That's right. Yeah. So next we get the cable car scene. [00:52:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:20] Speaker A: And I. This did come back to me. I was like, oh, yeah. Doesn't jaws like bite the cable and then they like have to jump off the car? But then that didn't happen then. [00:52:29] Speaker B: That was kind of. Yeah, yeah. So they're like, go up to this viewpoint in Rio. Oh, actually, I don't think of as any of you been to Rio? [00:52:39] Speaker A: No. [00:52:40] Speaker B: Okay. Me neither. But yeah, so they like. And he's watching the airport because that's. He knows that that's where Drax air fright flies out of. And of course, once he swings his viewing, what they're not binocular. It's like a telescope. But it's like those tourist telescopes. I don't remember what. [00:52:57] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right. [00:52:58] Speaker B: Brings it over and oh, there's Holly Goodhead who's looking right at him too. [00:53:02] Speaker A: That's right. [00:53:03] Speaker B: Apparently these planes have been taken off every 2 hours bringing supplies somewhere. Now they still don't trust each other, but they're gonna team up and they go into those gondola lifts jaws, catches up to them, bites the keel. [00:53:17] Speaker A: Yes. So a couple of thoughts here. First, I don't understand why if Jaws can bite his way through cables, he doesn't just bite both of them and have them like fall to the ground and explode. [00:53:27] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I've got no good reasons for you there. [00:53:30] Speaker A: Well, it's like, once again, the bad guys did in an excessively complicated way. But also Jaws's clothing. Did you guys notice his clothing in this part? He's like nice shoes, khaki pants and like a collared shirt. [00:53:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:42] Speaker A: I was like, why is he just like a tactical assassin? I guess that he's like a spy, but he doesn't exactly blend in with his jaws. [00:53:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:53] Speaker A: Also, I think it's funny that James Bond also walks around wearing like khakis and like, like a nice shirt. He dresses like me when I go to work. Yeah, just all the time. [00:54:01] Speaker B: Yeah. That's part of his charm, that he's always best dressed person. [00:54:07] Speaker A: Well, he's not the best dress because otherwise he'd be wearing a suit. In later movies. He wears a suit all the time. [00:54:12] Speaker B: He is wearing a tuxedo in this scene. Yep. [00:54:16] Speaker A: Okay. There you go. Well, that's like his Indiana Jones hat and jacket. [00:54:22] Speaker B: Presumably he didn't go home. So that's the same tuxedo he was wearing during carnival. But yeah. So they do have the chase I like. They get stuck and jump. Jaws jumps from one gondola to the next. They have a fight. [00:54:34] Speaker A: So James Bond isn't carrying any weapons in this part. He doesn't even have his gun. [00:54:40] Speaker B: I thought that was interesting. Think about it. He has a hold his even use or hold his PPK the entire film. [00:54:47] Speaker A: Nope. [00:54:48] Speaker B: Nope. [00:54:50] Speaker A: Does he even shoot a gun? I don't think he ever shoots a gun the whole time. [00:54:53] Speaker B: Yes, he does. [00:54:55] Speaker A: Oh, okay. I remember reading somewhere that Roger Moore was a pacifist who hated violence. Is that true? [00:55:00] Speaker B: Um, so he didn't like guns. Yeah. But he did actually study, I think, um, judo and karate, if I recall, mostly for to do stunts for his long running series the Saint. [00:55:14] Speaker A: There you go. [00:55:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:16] Speaker C: I recall in this scene that I was the engineer. Part of me was thinking how much force would it actually take for jaws to bite that cable? And I did, like, a quick calculation, and it was something like 40,000. Anywhere between, depending on how thick the cable was, anywhere between like 7040 thousand pounds of force. So I'm like, wow, you have some pretty powerful jobs. [00:55:37] Speaker B: Yeah. And I should have, I forgot that this was a thing. But they actually did cover this on Mythbusters in one of their, like, James Bond specials. All right. One, they fit it, they got some jaws, made facsimiles of the jaws teeth, put them on a, you know, a human jaw and, like, put a cable between it and put, like, the maximum pressure that you can bite with. [00:56:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:01] Speaker B: Nowhere close. And they were like, yeah, it would be, it would have to been a ridiculous amount of force to actually bite through those cables. Cables. [00:56:10] Speaker C: I also, what I found funny was apparently, I didn't know that jaws had a stare that actually stopped cable cars as well, because there's a part where he just stares at it and, you know, and suddenly the wheel stops, the flywheel stops. [00:56:25] Speaker B: Well, no, I think he was trying to communicate to the other henchmen who was down on the other side, who is moving it back and forth. [00:56:34] Speaker A: Well, this part, there's also some inconsistency with jaws. Like, strengthen. Like, he can stop the cable car wheel at that one part. But then there's also a part where, like, holly Goodhead, like, hits him and it doesn't seem to like it, like, actually does some damage. Well, like, he, like, pushes her and she doesn't, like, go flying off the car or anything like that. [00:56:56] Speaker B: Well, I mean, he also presumably can moderate his strength. He's not, he's really not trying to kill her so much as him, I. [00:57:02] Speaker A: Think, as James Bond. Yeah. [00:57:04] Speaker B: Yeah. So, Zach, were you at the party, the spy museum party? Richard keel was there. [00:57:09] Speaker A: Okay. I probably didn't talk to him. I might have been there, but I didn't actually talk to him. [00:57:13] Speaker B: So that was. I think it was the big sharks and lasers party at the spy museum. And I think if I recall when. Yeah. So me and Carolyn went and we went to signing. I actually got. I have some signed autographs from him, which is. I got to take a photo with him, which is pretty cool. But I remember when I like. Cause Carolyn, I think, hadn't maybe seen one of his films. I think maybe it's spy who loved me. And so when she was like, who was that? I was like, I introduced him the same way that Bond introduces or talks about jaws to Holly Goodhead. He's like, his name's Jaws. He kills people. [00:57:50] Speaker A: He has been in other stuff, though, right? He was in Ega, the mister science theater episode. [00:57:54] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:57:55] Speaker A: So he's been in other, like, monster roles, basically, pretty much. [00:57:58] Speaker B: They trap him inside the gondola while they're on top of it, and they zip line away. [00:58:04] Speaker A: Yeah. And then they have, like, a funny, goofy comedy. Crash. [00:58:07] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:58:08] Speaker A: And then this part I noticed some product placement which felt british. So modern. The seven up. [00:58:13] Speaker B: Oh, the seven, right. There's a lot of seven up advertisers. [00:58:18] Speaker A: Marlboro cigarettes up here a couple times. That's it. [00:58:22] Speaker B: And then, you know, jaws crashes his gondola all the way down the mountain. And this is where we entered Dolly, his love interest. [00:58:32] Speaker A: Okay, guys, guys. I remembered very vividly that she had braces. [00:58:38] Speaker B: Nope. Mandela effect. You are one of the many who believe that. [00:58:46] Speaker A: Is that some other movie? [00:58:48] Speaker B: No, no, this is. There's an entire segment of Bond fandom who are convinced that he. That she had braces and that someone, you know, George Lucas went in and. George Lucas did the braces offer to you. [00:59:01] Speaker A: I bet despite tv. Did it, I'll blame them. [00:59:05] Speaker B: No, but she's actually never had braces. [00:59:08] Speaker A: Okay. [00:59:08] Speaker B: They also use, like, the. Was it the Romeo and Juliet love theme for them. [00:59:12] Speaker A: Okay, is that from, like, a movie? [00:59:18] Speaker B: I haven't seen the Romeo Juliet, I think. Yeah, yeah. [00:59:22] Speaker A: Okay. [00:59:22] Speaker B: Yeah. They've crashed and crash landed, but are now safe. So they think Holly Goodhead kisses Bond for saving her life. And then some medics come out. Like, Bond's like, no, I think we're all right, actually. But these guys are goons, employees of Drax, who knock out Bond, capture Holly while they're in the ambulance. Bond gets a hand free. They have a pretty good fight inside the ambulance. [00:59:48] Speaker C: I was wondering why they actually handcuffed them to. Or, like, they roped them down to a stretcher, which had a gap in the middle where they could just slip from. [00:59:58] Speaker A: I didn't notice that. [00:59:59] Speaker B: So. Well, I mean, it's funny you mentioned it because when he, to Bond and Doctor Goodhead, he pulls a part of the stretcher out that he uses to hit Bond. So it's that same part that's just he. So they would. That's just bad planning on their part. They should have handcuffed him to a different part that didn't slide out. [01:00:18] Speaker A: These guys just keep screwing up. But the part where the guy get. Is on the stretcher and falls out. That remind you of Hudson Hawk? [01:00:25] Speaker B: Yes. Yes, it did. [01:00:27] Speaker A: Yeah. So, yeah, it was a good time. We get some more product placement as well. [01:00:32] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. This is where the British Airways one is. That's right. [01:00:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:35] Speaker B: Calls out the back of the ambulance, but Holly is still there, so she is still captured while he gets away. Although not quite on purpose. [01:00:44] Speaker A: Okay, so we had a cool fight scene immediately supplanted by something I personally find to be excessively silly, which is magnificent seven. Yes, that's right. He's dressed like Clint Eastwood from the good, the bad and the ugly for some reason. [01:01:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:00] Speaker A: And they have the cowboy music. But I do like that he meets up with his, like, crew again, like Q and all those guys. [01:01:07] Speaker B: Yeah. So he goes to a monastery where moneypenny is there. Q is in the other courtyard with some bola. So we get some qlab scenes. [01:01:14] Speaker A: They get the laser gun that will show up later. [01:01:17] Speaker B: Yeah. I get em's office where we've got a breakdown of the liquid. It's a nerve gas which apparently has no effect on animals, except humans and no effect on plants either. We get bomb and know it all. Where's. I. Wait, go back to that. That's the chemical formula. That looks like chemical formula of a plant orcade Negra. Somehow he knows it's off the top of his head. [01:01:40] Speaker A: I mean, this is very Batman in that part. [01:01:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:44] Speaker C: Things I found really funny about, especially the monastery and how they're addressed. And Zach, you mentioned about this as well, was that, you know, they look very. So they don't necessarily look brazilian. Like, that's not how brazilian gauchos would actually dress. Right. And then the kind of foreshadowing to the part of the Amazon that they go to as well. It doesn't necessarily look like Brazil either or the Amazon. But then if you look at the credits later, they shot in Guatemala. So that makes total sense that they're dressed the way they are. [01:02:15] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:02:17] Speaker A: Do you also like when the credits said it was filmed in outer space. [01:02:21] Speaker C: That is true. It's like the. Was it the Stanley Kubrick? Like, oh, he was so. He was such a precise director that he decided to fake the moon landing actually on location. So that's exactly what I was thinking. [01:02:38] Speaker A: There you go. [01:02:39] Speaker B: But, yes. So the specific orchid was thought to be extinct, but actually was found in certain place. And so Bon needs to go to that place where it was discovered. And so to do that, he takes the cuboat, which is currently in the spy museum in their bond in motion exhibit. Zach, nice. That we have a photo in front of with Dexter. [01:03:05] Speaker A: Very nice. Yeah, the cubo was great. This chase scene was cool. It's got tons of gadgets. When he blows up the boats, you see, like, bodies. [01:03:13] Speaker B: Bodies flying off those things. [01:03:17] Speaker A: That was pretty wild. [01:03:18] Speaker B: We also get the return of the. Not the James Bond theme, but the double o seven theme, which, Zach, you may remember, featured pretty prominently in from Russia would love this sort of, like, circus y music. Yeah. [01:03:30] Speaker A: Actually, speaking of Russia with love, this part felt like a video game where he was blowing them up and more guys keep showing up, and he keeps killing them, too. [01:03:39] Speaker B: Also, we get jaws here badly. I don't think it's green screen. I think it's got to be a real rear projection Stella, by this point. [01:03:46] Speaker A: Yeah. Goofy jaws again. [01:03:48] Speaker B: Yeah. And then we get the pretty cool scene where Bond, you know, sees jaws. All right, well, we're gonna do this. So I'm gonna go over Iguazu Falls, except, uh, oh, my, you know, boat has a hang glider in it. Jaws does not. So jaws goes over the falls, and Bon crashes the hang glider in the forest, where he spots a beautiful woman near a waterfall. [01:04:14] Speaker A: Yeah, they don't make them like they used to. Just babes everywhere. [01:04:19] Speaker B: Yeah. He follows her into a ziggurat where there are more beautiful women. [01:04:23] Speaker A: This part was great. The part where he gets launched into the water, I think, is kind of silly. It's very James Bond. He had to stand exactly on the right spot. [01:04:31] Speaker B: What I liked here, though, is that there's, like. There's one of the. There's, like, a bridge, and one of the girls is, like, enticing him, here, come over this bridge. And he's like, I'm not going to, because I know what's gonna happen once I cross that bridge. So he's trying to avoid it, but there's ends up in a different spot where he. The same thing that probably would have happened had us. [01:04:50] Speaker A: Yeah. So the part where he's fighting the python. And the girls are just looking at him with, like, creepy smiles. [01:04:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:55] Speaker A: I found that to be very unsettling. And in a good way, though. It was like a horror movie. [01:05:00] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And then. So he kills that python with the poison pen from Holly Goodhead. So I said one of those would come back. Yep. So Jaws is there. When pulling him out of the pool, Drax reveals his entire plan. The orchid causes sterility, and we get. He brings bond into his command center, where we get some fairly accurate radio chat. I was like, this is where I went through the countdown. They said they were t minus two minutes. And I was like, all right, let me go through this checklist. Here we go. This one starts at about t -5 hours. I went over to t minus two minutes, like, hmm, timing is not quite right. And I'll go into depth in our fact versus spy fiction over what was right, what was wrong, but it's like, you know, it's fairly accurate. This is where we get the answer of why he stole the shuttle. [01:05:56] Speaker A: Oh, really? And what is that? [01:05:58] Speaker B: It's that one of his shuttles developed a fault, and it was faster to just steal a shuttle than to repair it. Okay, Drax has now done his monologue speech, and now about what his whole plan is. So now he's going to kill Bond by leaving him alone in a room with no guards. [01:06:18] Speaker A: And, yeah, I did kind of remember this part. But I like the gadget watch that he uses to blow the venta, so barely escape. [01:06:28] Speaker B: Yes, the conference room. That is also, apparently, you know, where the exhaust goes to from the shuttles. What did that look like to you? [01:06:36] Speaker A: Well, it looks like Star wars again. [01:06:38] Speaker B: It looked like grandma. Arkansas conference room. [01:06:41] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right. [01:06:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:43] Speaker C: I was wondering why the computers were there as well. They melt every single time you launch a shuttle. You gotta rebuild it again. [01:06:52] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:06:53] Speaker A: I liked. It was a good escape. And then they go into these huge caverns. [01:06:57] Speaker B: Well, yeah, pretty good production. Yeah. [01:07:00] Speaker A: Well, the air vent first, and then the big caverns. [01:07:02] Speaker B: Yeah. So there's one thing that I think we've talked about before that we don't see Bond running through air vents. But here's another case where we do. Like, it's once in doctor. No. And then once here, but I don't. He doesn't really do it that often. [01:07:16] Speaker A: Yeah, that's like the commando crawler. [01:07:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:19] Speaker A: Like, from. They make fun of in the boondock saints. [01:07:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. That's more mission impossible than I think, James Bond, but, yeah. So Holly and Bon managed to sneak aboard one of the other shuttles. They get into their yellow flight suits. It's all a pre arranged flight program so they don't really have to press too many buttons. [01:07:37] Speaker A: That's great. [01:07:38] Speaker C: Just the whole launch area with a huge concern right here. I mean, you know, you typically, when you launch, right, you. There's. There's a lot of water that's being sprayed at your. You know, at the thrusters well, at the spatial main engines for acoustic suppression, you know, to make sure there's, like, sparks that are being sprayed there to make sure that you've actually combusted all your fuel as well. Right. And it's just. I feel like they must have had. Well, it would have ended up killing every single person within that complex to actually launch a shuttle the way they did in that particular facility. So they have to replace the people again, you know, with. With the next launch as well. [01:08:18] Speaker B: That's. I had this in my spy factor, spy fiction. I looked up like, minimum. Well, minimum. Minimum. Like, the safe distance from a shuttle launch is like 7 miles or something like that. So even if Bond and Holly got through those tunnels super quick, it'd still be dead. [01:08:37] Speaker A: Well, yeah, it's the only way to be sure. Yeah. They get into space, and even I noticed the scientific inaccuracy when the big orange fuel tank. [01:08:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:46] Speaker A: When they discharge it, it just falls directly down well to the bottom of the frame. [01:08:51] Speaker B: Okay, Khan, correct me if I'm wrong. They jettisoned those really late. [01:08:57] Speaker C: Yes. [01:08:59] Speaker B: Like, way after they're in orbit, when they jettisoned out where you are. Like. [01:09:05] Speaker C: Yeah, the solid rocket boosters. Yeah, it's not that far past the jettison of the solid rocket boosters that you would then jettison the fuel tank. Right. [01:09:14] Speaker B: But, yeah, so I was like. I saw those. Like, that is super late. There's something wrong there. Yeah. [01:09:22] Speaker A: So James Bond makes a reference to the Bible. I didn't realize he was so religious. [01:09:28] Speaker B: Because they look at their cargo bay, and it turns out that they are. What they're ferrying is couples. [01:09:35] Speaker A: It's like fallout shelter. [01:09:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:39] Speaker C: It's not actually a pressurized cargo bay, so. [01:09:42] Speaker B: Oh, no, it's not. Nor is it heat shielded. [01:09:44] Speaker C: Nor is it heat shielded or anything, so. [01:09:47] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [01:09:49] Speaker C: They'd be burning or freezing there. Yeah. [01:09:52] Speaker B: So it's space camp. Well, I've gone twice. And when you do, it's called advanced Space Academy, which is what you. The one you do when you're in high school. Um, you have multiple. They call them regular duration missions, we're about 1 hour each. And you have your extended duration mission. And those are the missions where basically you'll learn how to do all the systems. You'll learn. You get to rotate around and figure out for your extended duration mission, which is 6 hours long, which position you might fit best at. For my. The first year, I went, and so the. The instructors will also throw all sorts of, you know, mistake errors, and I alarms at you, and you have to figure out how to. What you got to go through your manual and figure out how do you turn off that alarm, change that alarm. We. We forgot to, I think, retract the Canada arm. So our cargo bay doors were open when we landed, which would have killed us. [01:10:44] Speaker A: Uh oh. [01:10:46] Speaker B: So I was like, if. If opening the cargo bay doors would have killed us, then there's no way that anyone could also just survive in the cargo bay. On my second time at space camp, we survived our extended duration mission. [01:11:00] Speaker A: Very nice. [01:11:01] Speaker B: And I told that story. All right, make sure we retract the arm retractor, jettison one of the two. We just need to make sure it's not sticking out. They notice a space station. [01:11:11] Speaker A: Yeah. And I like how the space station is invisible to radar, which explains. It's, like, gigantic. It's, like, enormous. Like, how could you done this? [01:11:20] Speaker C: I actually found it hilarious that they said, oh, it's radar jamming. So, you know, that's why they haven't been able to detect a switch. How radar jamming works is that you actually would broadcast a signal. Right. To be able to jam any other radar signals. So it would just immediately alert anybody to the fact that it's trying to do radar jamming. And the other thing that I found really funny is something this large, you would actually just be able to see with the naked eye. You know, like, it's at probably at least as large as the International space Station. Right. And you can just see that going overhead. [01:11:53] Speaker B: But the thing is, especially that time of time, like, you can see the space station from with the naked eye, but if you're not looking for it, it's gonna be, oh, that's a satellite or something. You're really not gonna. It's not because I, like, I've spotted this iss a couple times, but, like, only because I was specifically looking for it. It's not like, if I had not known this, like, oh, that's weird. That that's that, you know, that one star is moving and is also not blinking. [01:12:19] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, yeah. People look out the window with telescopes, too. [01:12:23] Speaker B: Yeah. But also, this time, cold war is still going on. So it's a russian satellite or something like that. If you see a giant one with, you know, like in, what was that movie, space cowboys, they start to rotate the space station to enable the artificial gravity. Khan, you want to take this? [01:12:46] Speaker C: Sure. So there are a lot of things that I had problems with here. One, I mean, the fact that right where they're positioned or where I assumed that they were standing in the space station, that's not actually where the artificial gravity would be based on the rotation of the space station. So, I mean, if you imagine a wagon wheel, it'd actually be kind of on the. The inner rim of the wagon wheel, where you would actually be able to stand and get some artificial gravity. [01:13:12] Speaker B: I believe they were fairly accurate version of it in interstellar, how it would work when you would have artificial gravity around the edges, basically. [01:13:24] Speaker C: Exactly. The other thing I actually found hilarious was that pretty much artificial gravity worked anywhere you were in the space station, whereas, I mean, you would actually start losing it as soon as you started getting to the hub of that. That space station. So, you know, it's. You're only generating gravity because it's counter to the direction of your centripetal acceleration. Right. So. But they just managed to have gravity everywhere, you know, going through the tubes, going into the kind of the hub area. So I just. I found that kind of funny, but also kind of surprising that, uh, you know, yeah. [01:14:02] Speaker B: I mean, they at least had that concept in place, even if they didn't get the science of it quite right. Like, rather than just having a button that says, all right, now we're turning on artificial gravity. [01:14:14] Speaker C: Right. [01:14:16] Speaker B: But, yeah. So, aboard the space station, Holly and Bond are trying to blend in. Drax makes his big speech. It's basically going to be a eugenics program that, you know, they're going to destroy everything below. And, you know, your children, or your children's children will go back down to reclaim the earth. Holly and Bond go to knock out the tractor bean. I mean, the radar jamming. [01:14:39] Speaker A: There you go. Nice. [01:14:41] Speaker B: So Holly and Bon knock out the workers and remove a vital component so that they can now be spotted from earth. [01:14:48] Speaker A: Yeah, there's a part where it's where Holly says, let's try this swagger. I'm like, wow, great plan. I really know what they're doing. [01:14:55] Speaker B: General Gogol of the KGB gets a call from NASA. They confirm that this is not the Russians, who have been surprisingly silent on all of this, that they're visible on radar, the Americans are sending up a shuttle. [01:15:08] Speaker A: A shuttle loaded with space commandos, apparently marines. Yeah, that was interesting. [01:15:15] Speaker B: So direct starts launching the globes with orchids and I and toxin vials. Jaws finds bond and Holly. Bond tries to fight jaws and kicks him in the crotch, where we get a clang sound. [01:15:28] Speaker A: Well, clearly he's well armored, but they. [01:15:33] Speaker B: Get captured, and Drax detects the launch and has discovered that the radar jamming has been disabled. So launches three globes. We found out there are 50 globes total that will launch their nerve gases overpopulated populated areas all over the world. Drax is going to attempt to destroy the american shuttle with a laser. A laser gun that he has in place. [01:15:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:15:54] Speaker B: Bond and holly are supposed to be put into an airlock, but they. Bond managed to convince jaws to help them because he and Dolly won't fit into Drax's master race plan. And Bond activates the emergency stop to prevent the laser from getting the shuttle. And so now here we get the big, giant zero g scene. [01:16:16] Speaker A: I thought it looked really good. [01:16:18] Speaker B: Parts of this look really good. Other parts look not as good. The parts were like, this is apparently the largest amount of people on wires, at least to that point. So they had a lot. All the wirework stuff was really good. Looked really good. It's when Drax and I think Bond and Holly are on the ground, pretending to be moving in slow motion, but still with their feet on the ground. It looks bad. [01:16:43] Speaker A: I kind of liked that, though. [01:16:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, no, I think the wire work looked really good, but them just moving in slow motions, like, that's not exactly how you would move in zero g. [01:16:54] Speaker C: It's like if you put on a theater show and you're trying to, you know, move across the stage, simulating spacewalking. That's how I felt. It was just like slower walking and holding on to more things. But still, you could very much tell that they were walking. [01:17:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Drax's men go out with jetpacks. Into space. Into space. And the space marines go to fight them using similar packs. [01:17:18] Speaker A: I didn't see it on the subtitles, but I'm pretty sure I heard red Leader and cold leader. Did you? [01:17:26] Speaker B: I did not. But let me. [01:17:29] Speaker A: I felt like I heard it. Yes. [01:17:31] Speaker B: I believe. [01:17:32] Speaker C: I love that they have the laser bolts that they kind of do in Star wars, though. You know, it's like. It's not a continuous laser. It just actually shoots out, like, little bolts. [01:17:41] Speaker A: That's right. Like a laser bullet. [01:17:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, the script pulled up here. I don't see anything? No. They don't say anything about red Leader and gold leader. [01:17:50] Speaker A: Okay. [01:17:52] Speaker B: It's like on the radio chatter, seemingly not in the script, but it is entirely possible that they said that, you know, obviously there's your Star wars reference. Americans dock their shuttle with the space station and start to take over the station. Bond, Holly and Jaws are assisting. Bond goes after Drax and is chasing him down a long corridor. But Drax gets a laser pistol from a down downed goon. And before he shoots Bond, Bond hits Drax with a wrist start and then puts him at the airlock. [01:18:25] Speaker A: So I only noticed in this part, I think Drax dresses like Doctor evil here. Again. [01:18:32] Speaker B: He's been dressing like that the entire. That's the standard, you know. [01:18:39] Speaker A: Villain attire. It's like he gets it from the same place he gets his henchmen, I suppose. [01:18:44] Speaker B: The station is starting to break up, which will render all of the rest, all of the globes that are there inert when they burn up in the atmosphere. But they still have the three that launched. [01:18:56] Speaker A: Do you guys feel like they escalated the tension well enough at this part? I feel like the climax of the movie is when they escape the station. [01:19:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:19:05] Speaker A: And then it's like, oh, one more thing. [01:19:07] Speaker B: Right? Yeah, I think. I don't. They didn't need that last bit, but there's a big reason why. And it begins with Star and ends with wars. [01:19:16] Speaker A: There you go. It is like that. But you know what they needed, like in stores was a ticking clock. [01:19:21] Speaker B: Well, they kind of do. [01:19:23] Speaker A: Well, they did at the end, but they used it the whole time. [01:19:26] Speaker B: Okay, right. [01:19:27] Speaker A: That would have been really exciting. [01:19:28] Speaker C: Yeah, that's true. [01:19:30] Speaker B: That's true. So I like here that, you know, back up a lot. So all the marines get back to their shuttle. Drax's shuttle, Moonraker five, has a laser on it. So Bond and Holly are going to use that to take out the globes. But their docking release is jammed and we find that Dolly and Jaws are still aboard. They find a ball of champagne, they have a toast. Joss, that's his only line. Here's to us. [01:19:55] Speaker A: I didn't like that. I would have preferred you not talk at all. [01:19:59] Speaker B: Yeah, so. So Bond and Holly are there. Where are the rest of, you know, the couples? Are they all dead? [01:20:09] Speaker A: No. I assume they escaped. [01:20:12] Speaker B: Where? You don't see any other shuttle take off? [01:20:15] Speaker A: We don't. We don't see him get to save money. But he had a ton of shuttle. Makes sense to me. [01:20:22] Speaker B: Okay. Bond asks jaws to disengage. The document release. Jaws and Dolly go by are sort of escape in the remains of a pod and. Which is not heat shielded. And I'm like, bond is very, you know, they'll make it. It's only 100 miles to earth. [01:20:39] Speaker C: Oh, I thought it was part of the space station that they actually was. [01:20:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:20:43] Speaker A: So it's like, that's not like a joke. [01:20:46] Speaker B: Yeah. And the rest of the station blows up. We find that. We hear later that the, you know, the space marines pick them up. Okay, fine, that's acceptable. But still, like, really, bond, jaws just helped you out and you're just gonna let him go even though. And. And Holly. Who's Dolly? That's confusing. Holly and Dolly. Yeah, Dolly, who's, you know, mostly an innocent. Yes, she did come up there somehow, but, you know, she doesn't have any real role in this. Bothered me for the longest time. How did they actually escape? Oh, now I realize that. Oh, yeah. Later on they mentioned that, you know, they picked them up, so. But I didn't occur to me that. Oh, as in space marines docked with that docking segment and then got them out. Okay, that makes sense. Anyway, the rest of the station. Oh, go ahead, Khan. [01:21:39] Speaker C: Explosions in space always get me. Yeah. So I know that the way it blew up was almost reminiscent of the Death Star. So I see, like, the explosions of this era of filmmaking kind of being similar in space, but still, if you explode in space, the only reason you would actually have a propagating fireball is because of atmospheric pressure. [01:22:04] Speaker B: Right. [01:22:04] Speaker C: That's the only reason why on Earth, fireballs look the way they do. So an actual explosion in space would just be a bunch of light and then nothing after. And it would be a really, really quick flash of light. [01:22:14] Speaker B: And of course, no sound. [01:22:15] Speaker C: Of course no sound. So it's just always bugged me that these are the explosions that we see in space. [01:22:21] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Bond and Holly in Moonraker five, they've got the laser on automatic, so it just needs to cross into the targeting reticule. So they take out one. It's starting to heat up because they're skipping out on the. Skipping on the earth's atmosphere to get to where the second pod is. They take out the second one and the last one. Luke, you've turned off your targeting computer. [01:22:44] Speaker A: Screenshot. James, that was one in a million. [01:22:48] Speaker B: I did like it literally in my notes. Great shot, kid. That was one in a million. [01:22:52] Speaker A: Yeah. I like how the shuttle starts to break up and then Holly is like, trying to stay. Stay calm, but you can tell she's scared. Yeah, that was good, too. [01:23:00] Speaker B: What was with that joystick con for the, like, the joystick that Holly or Holly's using is like, that's not what the shuttle had. It was a weird ergonomic, like, joystick. [01:23:12] Speaker C: Yes, well, so I love that. And I also. I imagine that that was tried to try to set the angle of attack for the shuttle. Right. But also, you know, the fact that they were going into the atmosphere pretty much knows nose in nose first. That killed me. So I used to be a thermal engineer, and that just kills me as a thermal engineer because, you know, the shuttle was pitched up a certain way so that. Right. Most of the heat would be absorbed. [01:23:36] Speaker B: By the tile, as you can see on. [01:23:39] Speaker C: Exactly. So if you go to those first. [01:23:41] Speaker B: I mean, great for a visual podcast. [01:23:45] Speaker C: So, funny enough, I did not feel the same tension about the, you know, the. The little vials that are. That are going into the atmosphere. And that was also because I was like, oh, it's, you know, it would not survive atmospheric reentry. They're fine. [01:24:03] Speaker A: No, no, it's made out of those special glass, so it's fine. [01:24:07] Speaker C: Yes, that's very true. [01:24:11] Speaker B: Yeah. We get Houston calling Doctor Goodhead. NASA patches directly to Buckingham palace and the White House, and they finally get a visual of bond and Holly post coitus in the cargo bay. Am I gonna ruin someone's line with Q's lines? [01:24:26] Speaker A: You better not. [01:24:29] Speaker B: I did get a laugh at it. We'll talk to it when we get the favorite quotes delivered. [01:24:33] Speaker A: It so well, too. [01:24:34] Speaker B: Yeah. And with that, our movie ends. All right, spy fact versus spy fiction. Zach, do you have anything? [01:24:42] Speaker A: Yeah, I know you guys have a lot. So I just wanted to briefly mention, when they're giving the briefing, talking about the missing orbiter, they have a screen that says most secret on it. So classified information. On Wikipedia, it says, prior to 1942, the UK and other members of the British Empire used most secret, but this was later changed to match the us category name of top secret in order to simplify allied interoperability. And for those of you don't already know, top secret is the highest level classified information. It's further compartmented. So after that, use a code word. That's how you hide more specific, higher level things. Unlike in the movies, where it's like, it's ten levels above top secret. That's not true. In order to be given the designation of top secret, it says such material would cause exceptionally grave damage to national security if made publicly available. So that's all I got Khan. [01:25:38] Speaker B: Do you have anything that we haven't covered yet? [01:25:40] Speaker C: I think we've covered almost everything. The thing that bugged me the most, of course, was just putting things back in the safe without taking note of the order. So, yeah, that was. But other than that, I didn't have. I think we've covered everything else. [01:25:55] Speaker B: All right, so I did quite a bit of research for this movie. At least the title of the movie comes from the Ian Fleming book Moonraker, which I read recently. All right, now, there's only a few things that are actually taken from the book, one of which being the villain's name, Hugo Drax, and a rocket called Moonraker. In this case, it was actually a defensive rocket, not a spacecraft. And also the scene where Bond and a Bond girl are trapped in the air vents of a rocket about to launch is from this. Oh, but actually, the plot of the novel, Moonraker actually was partially adopted for die another day in that you have someone who changes their appearance, becomes a multi millionaire, and, you know, and has this defensive, you know, system that is supposed to protect the world, but is actually gonna, you know, not. So there was also a novelization of this film called James Bond and Moonraker, which is written by the screenwriter of the movie, Christopher Wood, because it's so different than the James Bond novel. They were like, all right, we can put out a novelization of it. Christopher Wood also did one for Spy who love me, which in a similar case takes very little from the novel. It's interesting because rather than just being a straight up novelization, Christopher Wood decided he's going to put Ian Fleming's James Bond character like the actual from the novels. That. And that, rather than just being like, oh, a Roger Moore kind of bond. It is like Ian Fleming's bond with all the vices and the smoking, you know, okay, cigarettes a day and all that sort of stuff into the Moonraker adventure. Interesting differences in this. There's no jaws in the pre titles. When he jumps out of the plane without a parachute. Pilot is instead named Trudy. She's much more of a California girl rather than a french actress. Drax's description matches his appearance in the novel in which he has red hair and facial scarring. There's no dolly whatsoever. So jaws doesn't have interests. Also, one of the things I did find interesting was they had an explanation for why they're all walking on the. On the space station. They have velcro on their shoes, is. [01:28:18] Speaker A: What they say, and velcro everywhere on. [01:28:21] Speaker B: The stations everywhere on the floor, which. So there have been, obviously, multiple space stations, earliest being Skylab. And their solution for how to stay standing upright is that they had special. So the grading everywhere was like triangle shapes, and they had special shoes that had like, a triangle insert. So if you put your foot down and twist, you just stay in that spot. [01:28:48] Speaker A: It's kind of like magnetic boots, kind. [01:28:50] Speaker B: Of, except a little less. Yeah, well, you don't have to worry about magnetization of everything else. We already talked about the dolly braces mandela effect and. Yeah. So it has been proven. If you look, look it up, go down some rabbit holes on the Internet, you will see that there is proof that she never had braces. Okay, Moonraker appearances of things from Moonraker and other mediaev. So the Moonraker laser rifle has appeared in the original GoldenEye for the N 64 video game GoldenEye Reloaded, zero zero seven legends, and the mobile game Cypher Zero Zero seven, which had recently come out. So we may have talked about another. I don't know if you have. So there was no. We did talk about when we did our for mesh for love video game episode, but there was a video game that came out around the time of Skyfall in time for the 50th anniversary called Zero zero seven Legends, which featured Daniel Craigs Bond being put into other James Bond adventures from other actors like Goldfinger die another day. But. So one, for me to meet actors. So the one they did for Roger Moore was putting Daniel Craig into Moonraker. And this was a whole level based on that. They had to. Had Michael Lansdale come back to voice the role of Drax. I was going to play this level as part of my research. When I start. When I reinstalled the game, apparently my save files were all gone. So. And it is the last level of the game. So I would have had to play through the entire game, and I didn't want to do that in one night. So instead I watched YouTube run throughs of it. One of the things I did find interesting that to update it for the current day in Mi six thinks Drax stole NASA technology for space tourism because that's what he was doing with. Rather than just being the builder of a bunch of shuttles, he was actually running his own space tourism. There's a reason for a billionaire to have all these space shuttles. [01:30:52] Speaker A: Well, that's precious. [01:30:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Right. This is in 2012. So, you know, there was a bit of that going on, but not. Not like now. And like, one of the things they do, he notices that it's basically the last 30 minutes of the movie. And, you know, so he meets up with Holly Goodhead. They notice that, you know, he has. Drax is storing enough food for years even though they're supposed to be like 30 minutes flights. Also, someone's built a nursery because they're going to have babies in space and that makes them very curious. They had a lot more shooting in this, weirdly. Also, they make a change to this Moonraker shuttle. It has two tail fins, which kind of looks like. Didn't the ones from Armageddon have two tail fins? [01:31:36] Speaker C: I think so, yeah. [01:31:37] Speaker B: So I was like, alright, that's a weird choice. There's no dolly in this game. Apparently people who adapt Moonraker just don't like Dolly, so they leave her out. Also, Bond helps out the space Marines in the big Zero G battle. And rather than destroying the. The pods with a laser, he actually destroys them inside. Like there's like the big hangar section of the space station and destroys them with a hand lasers. He's going around and he's like floating around in Zero G. But yeah. So as I've kind of alluded to Bond or the Drax, as being a billionaire obsessed with space travel and running his own space travel program, it really. It really brings to mind Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk and Richard Branson doing much the same now. Presumably without the eugenics. [01:32:30] Speaker A: Presumably. [01:32:32] Speaker B: And then character of Jaws appears in this film for the second time, the first time being spy who loved me. He was also later seen in video games. The video games James Bond the Duel from 1993 everything for nothing in 2004 and Zero Zero seven legends 2012, as well as appearing in the show James Bond Junior. He was, I believe, in the episode that we covered, wasn't he? [01:32:54] Speaker A: No, wait, I don't think so. [01:32:56] Speaker B: He was. He looked really weird and different, though. [01:32:59] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, that's right. [01:33:00] Speaker B: 1930S mobster. [01:33:02] Speaker A: No. Yeah. He looked like a couch in planet villain. Yeah, I remember. [01:33:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Here's where we get to the fun stuff for me and Khan, more space travel accuracy. So I looked it up and apparently Columbia was actually originally scheduled to lift off in late 1979. So this would have timed in perfectly, but it was delayed with launch. The launch date was delayed by problems with both the RS 25 engine and the thermal protection system, or TPS. So they must have had some TPS reports about that. Sorry, had just had office space joke. So the part about 3G is a takeoff that is accurate. So the radio chatter. So when. Yeah, when they were doing the launch sequence, like I said, I went through my sequence. So they said, here's what I found. Accurate and inaccurate. They say they started t minute minus two for all things going on. [01:33:58] Speaker A: Really? [01:33:58] Speaker B: Should it be around t minus seven for when they retract the arm? The Apus or auxiliary power units should come on before the hydraulics, which they had reversed first. And then the pressure pressurizing the helium tanks is before the arm retraction as well. I was like, but other than that, most of the things they said, there was a few. I think it was like, there was one thing where it was like, I don't recognize that acronym. I couldn't find anything about that acronym. So that one's made up, but everything else was pretty accurate. And then even if a launch is prearranged, there's still a lot, like. There's still a lot of checklists that the pilot would need to follow, like, there. So that. That. No, we already talked about the SRB and ET jettison way too late. And the passengers in the cargo bay space stations, like, oh, I guess we talked about Skylab. One of the things I did find interesting, a little bit research is that, like, what is it there? Werner von Braun went on, like the Disney Channel or Disney, like Walt Disney's show, to talk about space stations and propose that. Like, that spoke. That spoken wheel model. I believe the model that he. What he had brought on that Disney show is, or at least it was before they did their refurbishment in the air and space museum on the mall. Now, one thing that bugged me about the docking sequences with the shuttle is that they dock on the side where there's a crew hatch on the side here where they. [01:35:32] Speaker C: Emergency escape. [01:35:33] Speaker B: Yeah. Rather than through the cargo bay. So, you know, the cargo bay doors open and that's how you would traditionally dock with the space shuttle. But of course, they can't do it that way because then all of their passengers would be flying out into space because they're all in the cargo bay. Now, here's one thing that I was like, oh, I was impressed by. So when the Americans launched their shuttle with the space Marines, Drax's men say it's a Vandenberg launch. This is a launch from Vandenberg AFB. Space launch, probably space launch complex four in Santa Barbara, which is currently used by SpaceX. So there we go. Bringing it up. Bringing prescient. You know, use there again. I liked when they did the emergency stop. You actually see some thrusters firing to actually stop it. It's not just, oh, I'm turning off the engine. So we're stopped because inertia exists. [01:36:30] Speaker C: I like how they were like, suddenly flying through as it went to the emergency stop. [01:36:36] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And then, so the jetpacks that they are using are similar to the MMus, or man maneuvering units that were used by a couple, I think, three shuttle launches in 1984. They were never using it after that, but they had a smaller successor called the simplified aid for Eva rescue or safer, which was supposed to be used for emergencies only. Lastly, the one thing that bugged me is that, especially in that last scene where Holly says, fly me around the world one last time, the orbiter is showing flying, you know, belly towards the earth, tail up, which is not how traditionally the shadow flies, because they're doing a lot of experiments and usually observing Earth, they usually fly tail down towards Earth. So I was like, this bother. It bothered me, even though it's not a big thing, as it bothered me that it was going around that way. So that's all of the sort of accuracy of the space travel that I was able to find, or the things, at least as a, you know, two time space camp trainee and right stuff award winner. Yes, I'm bringing that up. I think it should be right here. Oh, hey, look, it's my right stuff award. [01:37:57] Speaker C: You might have a better perspective on this. So at the last scene, right, where they're still floating in the cargo bay and communicating, is that supposed to be after they've re entered the atmosphere or did they kind of skip off of the atmosphere and then go back into Orbitz? [01:38:11] Speaker B: I believe they, you know, they were skipping off the atmosphere. Yeah, they didn't actually re enter. [01:38:18] Speaker C: Okay. [01:38:18] Speaker B: Because they are orbiting around again, like the scene that bothered me, where they're just float, flying by. [01:38:24] Speaker C: Okay. [01:38:25] Speaker B: So I believe it's supposed to because. Yeah, if they were, if that was during reentry. [01:38:29] Speaker C: Yeah, well, they wouldn't be able to communicate either. Yeah, it's true. [01:38:34] Speaker B: Yeah. And they would not be in the cargo bay because they'd be dead. [01:38:38] Speaker C: That's very true. The only other thing that, and as I was looking back into my notes again, and the only thing that I saw that somewhat bothered me was that they have a large antenna on the space station as well. It just keeps on rotating constantly. And that's such a trope of these Sci-Fi movies. But in reality, it wouldn't actually do that. It would be able to track the drowned station. [01:39:06] Speaker A: Right. [01:39:06] Speaker C: And just slowly move as it's kind of broadcast data to that ground station and then go. Go to the next one. [01:39:11] Speaker B: And, well, that also depends. Do we know if is the space station geosynchronous or geostationary or. [01:39:19] Speaker C: We don't know exactly. I'm thinking, yeah, if it's probably in low Earth orbit, then, you know, it would just. It would lock onto a location on the earth. They would track it through and then to the next location. [01:39:34] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. One last thing I have about is about the orchidae nigra. The sterilizing orchid, doesn't exist. I looked it up. I tried to find anything. Seemingly nothing similar. The only chemical that could that acts similarly is apparently ricin, which is also a poison that I don't know if we've actually. Have we talked about Ricin on this podcast? I feel like we have, but I cannot recall. [01:40:00] Speaker A: I feel like, yes, probably, but it. [01:40:03] Speaker B: Is the ricin being the, uh, type of poison that was used to kill Georgie Markov with the umbrella gun, a replica which is featured in the spy Museum. There's my spy museum plug of the podcast, I think. No, it's the third I think I've had. All right, so, with that, that is our spy effect versus spy fiction. I know there was a lot of it, but, hey, you know, when we get a NASA scientist on board on the podcast talking about mood maker, I get to nerd out on that side of stuff. [01:40:31] Speaker A: So now it's time for our favorite quotes. Khan, as our guest, would you like to go first? [01:40:35] Speaker C: I had a quote here that I felt like really encompassed all of the things that we were talking about in the movie with very impractical ways to kill people. So drax at one point says, you defy my attempts to plan an abusing death for you. And I felt like compasses every good. [01:40:52] Speaker A: Yeah, he owned it, though. He owned that he was not just not messing around or was messing around. Excuse me. [01:40:57] Speaker C: Yes. He completely owned it. And I feel like that quote actually qualifies all of the crazy death scenes or the crazy assassination scenes that were in the movie. The other one any higher, Mister Bond in my ears will pop. So, this was at the beginning of the movie while he was actually on the plane, you know, before the skydiving scene. And I thought that that was just absolutely hilarious. [01:41:24] Speaker B: All right, Zach, what do you got? [01:41:27] Speaker A: So, yeah, some of mine were taken. I'm surprised Kanye mentioned that. One of the classic lines from this movie is, welcome, James Bond. See that some harm comes to him. Yeah, Polly and Bondi say trust out of the question, which I liked, I think my absolute favorite, though, Washington Bond walks up to Q, and he just says, balls, q. Like, perfectly. Like, deadpan bowlers, no balls cue. And then finally, one that I like because it was so bad. So Bond throws Drax out the airlock, and he looks so happy about it. He's so pleased with himself. And then Holly comes up to him. He has plenty of time to think of a good line. Plenty of time. She said, what happened? And Bond says, oh, he had to fly. I was like, that's. That sucks. That sucks. Come on, James Bond. I would have had him say, oh, he needed some space. Maybe that wasn't something people said in 1979. [01:42:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know. But he does have a better line. Before Holly comes where he. He says to Drax, allow me take a giant step from mankind, and pushes him out the airlock. [01:42:35] Speaker A: Yeah, there you go. [01:42:36] Speaker B: When they fall from zip lining, Holly asks, Bonnie, have you broken something? Only my tail is hot. [01:42:44] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, there you go. Of course he has a tailor. [01:42:47] Speaker B: Of course he does. And I've got two lines from Drax that are just so long and wordy, but so funny. You have arrived at a propitious moment, coincident with your country's one indisputable contribution to western civilization. Afternoon tea. And this is when you know Drax is waiting for them in the no longer a laboratory as they appear with gas masks. You must excuse me, gentlemen. Not being english, I sometimes find your sense of humor rather difficult to follow. But that's what I've got for my favorite quotes. [01:43:21] Speaker A: All right, so now it's time for our ratings. On a scale of one to ten martinis, one being Avengers 1998 level bad, and ten being even better than no time to die or mission Impossible ghost protocol, how would we rate Moonraker? Khan is our guest. Would you like to go first? [01:43:39] Speaker C: Sure. So I would actually give it seven martinis. I really enjoyed it. I mean, it was silly at times. You know, there was some pretty bad engineering and bad science with it, but overall, it was an extremely entertaining movie. Seven martinis it is for. [01:43:57] Speaker A: So, yeah, I really don't know what to rate it. I was hoping Khan might be able to help me out. I never really liked Roger Moore. Like I mentioned that there's silly stuff, there's really good stuff. The space didn't really do much for me. It actually reminded me until the laser gun battle started. Actually reminded me more of 2001 than Star Wars. I can't really say it was that good, especially in comparison to other James Bond movies. But it's not that bad either. So I'm going to give it a six out of ten and say it's slightly above average. [01:44:32] Speaker B: All right. All right. [01:44:33] Speaker A: And the weirdness in it of it being in space was not enough. [01:44:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Kind of alluded to this or even flat out stated that this is not my favorite Bond movie. Roger Moore is not my favorite Bond, but it is one I enjoyed. And I don't think, like, I think I'd watched it before, but I hadn't really watched it specifically through the lens of, like, being a. Not only am I a big spy fan, I'm also a big space travel fan. Obviously. I went to space camp twice. So viewing it from that lens now, I think I had more fun this time than any other time I really watched it. You know, it is really the one Bond film where those two passions of mine combined, bond and space, that we've had cases where, you know, he went in, he is in a spacesuit and almost goes up into space and you live twice. He drives a moon buggy around in diamonds. But he only goes to space in the movies. In this one film, he's gone to space in a couple of video games in a comic book club, only in the movies here. And I really had a fun time with it. I also. I realized as I was, like, preparing for this, I have a. For someone who's. This is not my favorite Bond film. I have a lot of sort of memorabilia and, you know, collectibles around Moonraker. Like, I have. I. As I have pointed out, I have this little moonraker shuttle. I have Roger Moore in a space suit. Funko pop. Which this funk is. This. You know, this kind of style. Him in this kind of style of spacesuit is all over the marketing. He never actually wears this kind of spacesuit in the film. [01:46:16] Speaker A: You know, that is disappointing. [01:46:17] Speaker B: It is worn by the space marines, and I think they put it in him for promotion of photos. So there are photos of him. But I actually also have this japanese program for Moonraker when I may have told the story about how I just got into James Bond while I was in Japan. My host family, finding that out, actually found this and gave this to me, which is really cool. It's got, like, pictures. It's all in japanese. And then I also created this flight jacket resembling, you know, the Bond spacesuit, including getting this patch, which is four. So in the movie, if you look at the space marines outfits, he isn't. They do not have NASA on them. They are actually for the. What is it? The Society for International Space Exploration, even though they call out NASA in the film, and I did a little research in this because I was like, why is that? Oh, apparently, I think they. Well, if you look up that, you find out that these the same, at least the same patch, if not the same spacesuits used in this movie were also used in Superman two, which is when. What's that? Ursa, the bad kryptonian, like, rips off the patches and is, like, putting them on her own thing. This is one of the patches she rips off. Anyway, so, that being said, as someone who is not, this is not my favorite movie. I have a lot of stuff around it, and I had a really fun time watching it. So I'm gonna say, oof. I have to look back at what I rated other James Bond films. Like, is there other ones that I know I love more, that I would rate that I rated less? You know, I'm just. Yeah, I'm gonna give it a seven and a half out of ten. I think it's. It is a fun ride. It's a fun romp, and I enjoyed it a lot. [01:48:14] Speaker A: Very good. Thanks for. Thanks for that. So I can thank you for joining us here on the spy fi guys. Do you have anything you want to plug as podcasters do? [01:48:27] Speaker C: So I don't have anything very specific to plug. I just wanted to thank you both for the opportunity to be on here and to have a really fun time talking about something that I certainly geek out about. So I really appreciate the opportunity. [01:48:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, thank you, Khan, for joining us on this special global James Bond Day episode this year. Yeah, it's been. And it's been a blast. You know, I know we usually nerd out about space stuff, but this specific intersection is, you know, it's. It's rare. Rare for us to get to do this with that kind of thing. So that's. That was a lot of fun. [01:49:02] Speaker A: All right, well, thank you all for joining us here on the spy fi guys. You can find us on social media at the Spifi guys, on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube as well. And our merch [email protected], until next time, I'm Zach. [01:49:15] Speaker B: And I'm Christian. [01:49:16] Speaker A: And we are the spy fi guys signing off. [01:49:23] Speaker B: Thank you for listening to the spy fi guys. 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