Global James Bond Day Special: “Thunderball” guest starring Capitol Merman

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Look out. Here comes the biggest bond of all. We are the Spy Fi Guys, and this is Thunderball. Welcome to the Spy Fi Guys. So I apologize to the universe for that. [00:00:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:00:14] Speaker A: Wow. Justice for Dennis M. Is it though? I laughed and then I hated myself for laughing. [00:00:26] Speaker B: Foreign. [00:00:30] Speaker A: Welcome back to the Spy Fi Guys, where we cover spy facts, spy fiction, and everything in between. I'm Zach. [00:00:36] Speaker B: And I'm Christian. [00:00:37] Speaker A: And today we are back with, I think, the final installment of our James Bond mini arc. And we've brought on a guest just for this one. [00:00:45] Speaker B: Yeah. So this is our global James Bond day special episode. So we're going to be covering Thunderball for this one. I really wanted to get someone who knows about diving and scuba just because, you know, that's such a big part of this movie. So I was trying to figure out, all right, who do I know who knows this stuff? And it was actually my wife Carolyn, who's been a guest on the podcast before, who suggested someone we'd seen at a. At a con recently. So welcome Jacob, AKA Capital Merman, AKA Mornenion. [00:01:14] Speaker C: Hi, friends. I'm so excited to be here, and I'm definitely not a huge spy movie person, but this was really fun watching in regards to seeing, like, old film techniques and see how they did things. So I'm really excited to talk about this today. [00:01:30] Speaker A: Well, hang on. We can't talk about this movie before we dive in. Part of the plan. [00:01:37] Speaker C: You said that on purpose, didn't you? [00:01:40] Speaker A: To hear your story. Because you can't just show up, say you're the Capitol merman, and then move on. [00:01:46] Speaker C: Yeah. So I am a professional mermaid or merman, whichever one you want to use here in the D.C. area, I'm certified free diver as well as a competitive swimmer, previous aquatic director. So I know everything aquatics. So I do anything from dry land gigs to sitting on beautiful thrones saying hi to people, to diving into aquariums under one breath. So I could say I'm really under the weight of the water with this one. [00:02:11] Speaker A: Well, how did you get involved with this? [00:02:12] Speaker C: I did competitive swimming from the ages 44 to 17. I always thought mermaids were really cool simply because of the under ocean. Not really because mermaids themselves. It's just I really wanted to live in the ocean. With that being said, I knew that there were tailmakers. So when I became an aquatic director, one of my employees had one. She had me try it on. I fell in love. She convinced me to get my own. And then actually a few months later, after getting my own, I actually Met the guy that makes them, and it's been kind of history ever since. [00:02:41] Speaker B: Is that Mer Taylor? [00:02:43] Speaker C: Yeah, Mer Taylor, owned by Eric. Eric is wonderful, but I represent his company now, so I model and I also inform people on products because with swimming, there's big safety aspects that go into that help represent that company and make sure people know how to live their childhood dreams safely and to the fullest extent. [00:03:02] Speaker B: Very cool. And so the panel me and my wife saw you in was at Once Upon a Con where you had a mermaid panel. And I was like, he looks really familiar. And I'm trying to figure out, was he in the Netflix show? And then I realized you had it playing in the background of your panels. He's definitely in there. [00:03:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:19] Speaker C: No. So I was in Burn People from Netflix. That was such an interesting thing to film. It was a lot of fun being in front of the camera. What's really funny is when you're watching movies, TV shows, or even reality tv, I can really put myself in that person's shoes because I know what these cameras look like. I know what the directors look like. I know what they're telling them. So, yeah, no, I was on the Netflix documentary. [00:03:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Zach, have you and Guru seen that? [00:03:43] Speaker A: And what is this Netflix documentary for those of you us who are not informed? [00:03:47] Speaker B: It's called Merpeople, and it's about the mermaiding community. [00:03:51] Speaker A: I have not seen that, but I did have one final question, unless Christian has more, which is how often do people quote Zoolander at you? [00:03:59] Speaker C: All the time. Oh, my gosh. Out of everything that they're going to quote me, I thought it would be like Little Mermaid or Splash. No, it's just because I'm a guy. That Zoolander quote comes out all the time. [00:04:12] Speaker B: I didn't even think about that. No, you didn't. [00:04:16] Speaker A: Come on, Krista. [00:04:17] Speaker B: No, I. Well, I've only seen Zoolander, like, maybe once or twice, so I just. It's not top of mind for me. [00:04:22] Speaker C: All of the time. Even one of my best friends who I hang out with weekly, like, has a tendency to be out in public and will scream it even though he's standing next to me. But, yeah, you should definitely watch that Netflix documentary. I talk about the mermaid industry being spokes of a wheel, and that documentary talks about most of those areas of our industry. So you should definitely watch it if you're interested. It's more than just somebody that wants to put on its hail, wear glitter and makeup. It actually goes into the struggles of everything. [00:04:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I thought it was a really interesting documentary. And so did my wife. [00:04:54] Speaker A: You might say that in this job, you need to swim against the tide. [00:04:57] Speaker B: Okay. How many of those do you got, Zach? [00:05:00] Speaker C: Yeah, you're for sure. Definitely. [00:05:02] Speaker A: Right. Thank you. See, he matches my energy question. Finally, a guest who appreciates me. [00:05:08] Speaker B: All right, with that, thanks for giving us your background. And shall we go into this? I. I struggled with not saying dive into this because Zach already did. [00:05:17] Speaker A: You can dip your toe into it instead. [00:05:19] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:05:20] Speaker C: Oh, my gosh. Wow. [00:05:23] Speaker A: Plot synopsis. All right, so let's get started here. So, as always, we start with our poetry synopses for Thunderball. Jacob, as our guest, did you happen to bring one or two? [00:05:37] Speaker C: I did not. I have more questions than I. [00:05:40] Speaker B: Okay. [00:05:40] Speaker C: About this movie than I could write about poetry, I'll tell you that. [00:05:44] Speaker A: All right, so I'll start. As always, we have our haiku and limerick. And as always, the spoilers for this movie from 1965 begin right now. So if you haven't seen it yet, here's your chance to. Wait, I had something to climb out. Climb on the ladder. Okay. [00:05:59] Speaker B: Anyway. No. [00:06:01] Speaker C: Wow, you're really making a splash with these jokes. [00:06:04] Speaker A: I guess. Here's the haiku. Swim with sea turtle. Can't tell dark haired women apart. Junka new escape. [00:06:11] Speaker C: That part right there. Dude, there were so many times where I was like, wait, is that the same person? Wasn't she just over there? Yes, yes. [00:06:20] Speaker A: There's really only one scene that jumps out in my memory for. With that. [00:06:24] Speaker C: Okay. [00:06:25] Speaker B: I'm very, very curious about this. Okay. All right. [00:06:32] Speaker A: And then here's the limerick. Largo parks wherever he wants, but he's easily flustered by taunts. He's got a kept miss. Turns out she's a sis. He picked the wrong girl for his jaunts. [00:06:43] Speaker B: All right, nice, nice. [00:06:45] Speaker A: And then Here is the IMDb plot summary. James Bond heads to the Bahamas to recover two nuclear warheads stolen by SPECTRE agent Emilio Largo and in an international extortion scheme. [00:06:55] Speaker B: All right, so let's. I almost said it again, not even thinking about. Let's get. Let's go into this plot. So we start off at a funeral and the coffin's got a big JB on it, but it's not James Bond. It's a funeral for Jacques Bouvier, who's a SPECTRE agent. Actually, we didn't even talk about this. Jacob, what's your experience with James Bond films? Have you seen many? [00:07:19] Speaker C: I know I haven't seen many. I think I've seen like two or three. And it's mainly been most of the recent ones. I remember watching an older one with my father when I was growing up. But I get the premise of most of it. [00:07:30] Speaker B: Okay. That. That's. That's what I was about. [00:07:31] Speaker C: Yeah. James Bond has, like, ultimate rule and a 100 privilege throughout every, like, scenario and society that he walks into. Yes. [00:07:39] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:07:41] Speaker A: That is one takeaway. [00:07:43] Speaker B: Yeah. So, yeah. But we find out that Jacques Bouvier, who's supposedly in the coffin, is not actually dead, but he's disguised as his own widow. And Bond finds him, the widow, they have a nice big fight and then he escapes via jetpack. [00:07:57] Speaker A: Yes. This is the one with the jetpack. And I like that. [00:08:00] Speaker C: Where did that come from? [00:08:01] Speaker B: Yeah, he had to have gone up there at some point or had. Maybe had his assistant who was there place it and then come back to. I don't. There's no good reason for why that's his method of escape. [00:08:12] Speaker A: It's because it's awesome. That's why. But I did like how he figured out because he realized the woman didn't open the car door for herself. [00:08:20] Speaker B: They did open it. Oh, no, you're right, they did. Yes. It's double negative through me. Yeah. [00:08:25] Speaker A: Yeah. So some nice detective work. [00:08:29] Speaker C: Yeah, no, I. I found that really funny because it was like this, like high speed foot chase, I guess you could say, jetpack involved. And as soon as he landed off in the street, it was like, let's just casually get in this car. Hold on. Pause. [00:08:42] Speaker A: Yeah. Why not just jetpack away? That's what it's for. [00:08:45] Speaker B: Well, and then they have a transition. I like the transition to the credits where it's. The Aston Martin DB5 has water jets shooting out the back and the water jets hit the camera and then it goes into the title sequence. [00:08:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Like the classic goldeneye blood coming down when you get killed. The song didn't do that much for me, but I like that it was sung by Tom Jones. I didn't know that he did it. A Bond theme. [00:09:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. This is a lot of love for. Especially for this film. Makes sense. There's a lot of water imagery, swimming. I like the song. I thought it's fun. [00:09:13] Speaker C: I really want to know where they filmed that. Being the underwater person, I can definitely see they possibly filmed that in Florida where Wiki Watchi Springs are, where there was a lot. There was a lot of professional underwater swimmers and performers from the 50s. So there would have been women there that would have had experience doing these moves, which are underwater ballet. So I'm very curious if they film that there and use some of those Wiki Watchy performers. Because at that time, from the 50 50s, 60s and 70s, those were the only underwater performers in the United States. [00:09:45] Speaker B: That's very good question. [00:09:46] Speaker A: Have you seen Water World? I assume you have. [00:09:49] Speaker C: Yeah, I have seen Water World. [00:09:51] Speaker A: Didn't they build a big tank for that and just filmed everything in the tank? [00:09:55] Speaker C: They did, yes. [00:09:57] Speaker A: So I wonder if that's the case here. [00:09:59] Speaker C: I. I don't think so. Because being a swimmer, I can really look at watering. I can tell if it's like treated and I can tell if it's fresh spring water that looked like fresh spring water. I know that sounds like such a weird thing to say. [00:10:13] Speaker B: Go on here. [00:10:14] Speaker C: I highly think those were Wiki Wachee performers because there were certain techniques with their foot, like their feet that they were doing. And I'm pretty sure those were ballet moves from Wiki Watchy shows. [00:10:26] Speaker B: Hmm. I'm not seeing anything on just browsing Wikipedia if they have anything about who about making of that title sequence. But I know one of the Bond DVDs, I may Thunderball or Yolandweiss has like a whole documentary about the different. All the credit sequences. So I'm gonna have to go back and watch and see if they specify where. All right, so after our credit sequence, we go to Paris where there's a Spectre meeting. Spectre being the big bad organization that fights James Bond. And we meet Mr. Largo. And I like that his cover is the International Brotherhood for Assistance of Stateless Persons. [00:10:59] Speaker A: I haven't recently seen one where Spectre is just straight up the bad guys. And you get the meetings where Blofeld has got the cat and he zaps people for disagreeing town. [00:11:08] Speaker B: So that's where all this is. [00:11:09] Speaker A: It was just nice. It was just a nice throwback to a more simpler time. [00:11:13] Speaker C: I mean, this is a show that people that have cats have ultimate power. Just saying. [00:11:18] Speaker A: I always had a fan theory that the cat was the one that was running the whole thing. [00:11:21] Speaker B: That's funny. [00:11:23] Speaker C: What I found really cool is that they all addressed each other with numbers. And it was like way to like really show distrust even in your own organization. Like, okay. [00:11:31] Speaker B: And this. This whole sequence is a. Where Austin Powers gets a lot of stuff from. [00:11:37] Speaker A: Yeah, that's true. [00:11:38] Speaker C: I was. I was ready for Austin Powers to pop out 100. [00:11:41] Speaker A: I mean, right up with. With the bad guy that has the eye patch. [00:11:45] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Who's his number? Number two. But I mean, Also the shock chair. And their whole plan is ransom the world with stolen nukes, which is exactly what they make fun of in Austin Powers. He says they come up with all these ideas, oh, let's make a hole in the ozone layer. Oh, that already happened. Let's just do what you usually do. Steal some nukes and ransom the world. [00:12:03] Speaker A: Right. [00:12:04] Speaker B: So the next part of this plot is we have Largo says that part of his plan is that he has an agent called Count Lippe who is preparing part of the plan at a nearby health clinic, nearby the NATO air base. And it just so happens James Bond's at that same clinic. [00:12:20] Speaker A: Which is absurd. I'm just gonna say that it's absurd that Bond just happens to be in this same hospital that the whole plot of the movie hinges on, and they don't even need it to hinge on it. [00:12:31] Speaker B: Yeah, they do kind of need to have that interaction happen for one reason, one reason only. And we'll get to it. [00:12:39] Speaker A: James Bond is there, I guess, recovered from an injury, but he seems to spend most of his time assaulting nurses. [00:12:45] Speaker B: Yeah, well, just the. Not that it makes any better. It's the one nurse. One specific nurse. [00:12:50] Speaker C: The entire setup kind of came off like the wing of a hospital that, like, was transformed into, like, a Swedish day spa. [00:12:58] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:12:59] Speaker A: I mean, they even got the stretching machine and they have a guy in the Turkish bath later. [00:13:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:03] Speaker C: But something I want to point out that I was thinking about was there's a lot of underwater scenes, but they used water in almost every scene. If you really think about water coming out in the. In this clinic, there's steam rooms, and that's how. [00:13:16] Speaker B: Right. [00:13:16] Speaker C: Someone. There's a pool sequence. There's ocean sequences. Water has the theme of mystery, danger as all. As well as safety, because, you know, they're able to get to places safe, is hide things. Water has a huge theme in this show or this movie. More than you would think than just, like, underwater scenes. [00:13:35] Speaker B: I didn't put it that way, but that's a great. [00:13:37] Speaker C: Yeah, I told you. I watched that movie and I made notes. [00:13:41] Speaker A: Let's just study this in English class. [00:13:43] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So Bond meets Count Lippy, notices he has a tattoo that looks like a tong symbol. And then he investigates the room next to him, and there's a man who's all bandaged up. [00:13:54] Speaker A: So is anyone else confused by this part? When Lippy switches with the guy, like, who is the first guy with the bandaged face? [00:14:01] Speaker B: So. [00:14:02] Speaker C: Exactly. [00:14:03] Speaker B: The first guy with the bandage. Well, his face Is. What was his name? Angelo? [00:14:09] Speaker C: Yeah. No, that entire scene started the entire series of me being absolutely confused. [00:14:15] Speaker B: All right. [00:14:15] Speaker C: Because I couldn't figure out who was who at this point. Well, I'm one of those people, like, is that the guy with the eyepatch? His face is covered. Like, maybe that's him. And he's like. Like, I'm. I was reading too hard into it, as well as being confused, and I was making it worse for myself. [00:14:29] Speaker B: So the main. Yeah. [00:14:31] Speaker C: Yes. [00:14:32] Speaker B: So the main idea is they have Domino's brother, Domino, who we'll meet later, is a pilot for NATO, and they have the guy who's bandaged, who's got plastic surgery to replace him, to look exactly like him and replace him. [00:14:45] Speaker A: Right. [00:14:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:46] Speaker A: Yes, I figured that out eventually. So. [00:14:48] Speaker B: And then, like you said, in between that, you know, Bond sexually assaults the nurse. Bad. [00:14:54] Speaker A: It's quite bad. Twice. [00:14:55] Speaker B: So. [00:14:56] Speaker A: Also, I noticed here, the movie very much takes its time. Now, people say, and I'm inclined to agree, that James Bond movies age very well. They don't feel like they were made 60 years ago. But this one does feel a little bit more like it's from the 60s. [00:15:10] Speaker B: This one definitely takes its time. [00:15:12] Speaker C: Not. Not only with the fact that there are some social things that would definitely not pass in film today, but also with these underwater sequences, which we'll get to. I was like, that would never happen on a film set. That would never happen. Regardless, there was some definite red flags where I was like, wow, this safety movie. [00:15:28] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So Bond gets strapped into that spine stretcher, and then someone turns it up to 11 or to maximum, and he's almost killed on it, supposedly. [00:15:41] Speaker A: Yeah, it was very silly. If you have him, why not just walk up to him and shoot him? [00:15:45] Speaker B: To make it look like an accident. [00:15:47] Speaker A: And then later, there's a guy in the Turkish bath and. Christian, I need you to explain this to me. First of all, who was that guy? Second of all, go ahead. [00:15:54] Speaker B: Yes, that was Count Lippi, the one who he met who had the tattoo. And who's the person who turned it up? [00:16:01] Speaker A: I thought Count Lippi was the guy disguised as the other guy. [00:16:04] Speaker B: No, no. Count Lippy is the guy who's orchestrating all this. Angelo is the guy who's bandaged. I know it's a. There's a lot of white dudes. [00:16:13] Speaker A: That's. That's true. [00:16:14] Speaker B: But. [00:16:14] Speaker A: Okay, so. So he put the thing into the Turkish bath, and then does Count Lippy die? [00:16:18] Speaker B: I don't think so. He's, like, stuck in the. [00:16:21] Speaker A: Yeah, okay. He gets mildly annoyed. [00:16:24] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:16:25] Speaker A: Okay. So. [00:16:26] Speaker B: Yeah, so we go over to another room in this clinic with Major Duvall, the pilot, with Fiona Volpa, who is our. Our. Thank you for this movie. [00:16:39] Speaker A: The evil Bond girl. [00:16:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Yep. And so Major Duvall here's a knock on the door, opens it and sees his exact duplicate. And Ned gets hit with a gas gun and he's dead. And then they wrap him in bandages. Now they've got an excuse for why there's a dead body. And then Fiona gives Angelo they double the equipment to steal the bomber. But Angelo says he wants more money. [00:17:02] Speaker A: Okay, so this is where I was trying to figure it out. He replaces the other guy. And if he asks for money, that means they're gonna kill him. Yeah, that's the rule. [00:17:10] Speaker B: So we see that Major Durvall, AKA Angelo, who's disguised him, is the NATO rep on a Vulcan training flight with two nukes on board. Now, why would you have live nukes on a training flight? [00:17:21] Speaker A: Good question. [00:17:23] Speaker C: Look, I mean, in today's administration it would make sense, but previous administrations. No. [00:17:30] Speaker A: Well, you could also say, why is it a training flight? Why can't it just be a regular flight? [00:17:34] Speaker B: Well, what flight would you have where you'd have two live nukes on it? [00:17:36] Speaker A: A transportation. Like make something up. It's a movie. You're writing the script. You control the world. [00:17:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:17:43] Speaker A: It didn't bug me though. I mean, I was like, whatever, just hurry up, get back to James Bond. Long time since we've seen him. [00:17:51] Speaker B: So Bond notices that the. The ambulance come for Durvall and goes to investigates and then finds that the body that all bandaged up. And he unwraps the bandage and sees the face of Major Durvall. And that's the reason why this part is actually needed. [00:18:06] Speaker A: Now that's how James Bond gets involved. [00:18:08] Speaker B: In the larger story. Yeah, and Count Lippy is out of sight, ready to kill Bond. But there's someone else, also someone else outside the window with a knife and is about to stab Bond. But then Bond, like disarms him and then pulls the fire alarm. And then the nurse, Patricia Fearing, finds him flirting with another girl and is pissed off. [00:18:29] Speaker C: Which is the entire recurring theme of this movie at this point. [00:18:37] Speaker B: So, back on the NATO plane, Angelo puts himself on a separate oxygen supply and uses probably the same gas that he used to kill the real Durval to gas the rest of the crew. And then brings the plane down in the water. [00:18:50] Speaker A: Yes. And I gotta say that when they put it in the water, the sea looks very shallow, and the plane looks like a toy Or a model. [00:18:58] Speaker B: It was a model. [00:18:59] Speaker C: The same thing, yeah. Oh, it was? [00:19:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:02] Speaker A: I mean, like. Like Star wars, you can have a model that looks real. This did not look real. It looked like a model. [00:19:08] Speaker B: Part of the problem, I think, is because. And I, you know, I watched a few YouTube videos about special effects on. And water doesn't scale. Right. Like, if you have a big. A model of something big bubbles. Exactly. [00:19:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:23] Speaker C: As soon as it sank, I was watching the bubbles, and actually, I couldn't tell. And then as soon as I was about to figure out yes or no, there was somebody swimming by it. Okay. That. That has to be real because it was at that point. [00:19:36] Speaker B: Yeah. When they bring it down, that's a model. Because water doesn't. Like, if you have something smaller, you can usually tell if it's not the right scale to the water. [00:19:45] Speaker A: Interesting. [00:19:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:46] Speaker A: Your brain can tell somehow. [00:19:49] Speaker B: So we go to Largo on his yacht, who's watched. And he's watching the plane go down, and he goes to dive to the Vulcan. And this is where we get the first of many underwater sequences. [00:19:58] Speaker A: And we see long underwater sequences, long and slow. [00:20:03] Speaker B: And we see Largo gets the triggers for the nuclear bombs and then kills Angelo. [00:20:08] Speaker A: Correct. [00:20:08] Speaker B: And then there's another set of divers with a mini sub who go and get the nukes and then cover the plane with camouflage. [00:20:15] Speaker A: Nice. All right. I like it so far. [00:20:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. So Bond leaves shrublands. I like. For any Sean Connery fans, there's a The nurse, even though she was pissed off the night before, she's still upset that he's leaving. And she's like, yeah, well, I see you again. And he says, another time, another place. That's actually the Connery movie from, like, 1961 or something. There's a title drop of it in Joke. [00:20:37] Speaker C: Yeah, it's like that Instagram audio where it's like, when will I see you again tomorrow? No, never. Like, I'm leaving. [00:20:44] Speaker A: Yeah. He's just so charming that even though she's mad at him, she always forgives him. [00:20:48] Speaker B: Yep. And this is where we get the car chase where Bond is being chased by Count Lippe and he flips up his armrest for his gadgets, is about to use one of them when Count Lippy is killed by someone on a motorcycle with rockets coming out of their motorcycle. [00:21:03] Speaker A: Pretty sweet. [00:21:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:04] Speaker A: And that, I think, later, it's the femme fatale. [00:21:07] Speaker B: Yeah, it's Fiona. We see it right after, like, she takes off her helmet. [00:21:10] Speaker A: I really should remember her name because it's like Fiona from Shrek. The most famous Fiona there ever was. [00:21:19] Speaker B: And back in London, we see Bond is late and every Double O in Europe is in a meeting and the Home Secretary is giving a report. Yeah, we don't really get a close up of seeing all of the other double out. [00:21:30] Speaker A: Yeah. And they never do anything in the rest of the movie that's a little bit of a letdown. But. [00:21:35] Speaker B: Well, they're all. [00:21:36] Speaker C: Yeah, it's a great split away sequence. But beyond that it's kind of like. Okay. [00:21:40] Speaker B: But yeah, this is where they get the brief. There's a tape that was sent from Spectre. They want a hundred million. [00:21:46] Speaker A: You have to say it like that. [00:21:48] Speaker C: Million. [00:21:50] Speaker B: Pound sterling. [00:21:51] Speaker A: Which even in 1965 still doesn't feel like enough. That's ransom. The life of a city on. I don't know. [00:21:59] Speaker B: But yet their terms are, you know, if they accept, then they'll have to make big band strikes seven times at 6pm Which I thought is funny because. [00:22:07] Speaker C: It was hide it. But then they split later saying like the news was doing a report on it as if it was like people were panicking. But then you have to remember back in that time, that's how most people in the city could tell time. So. [00:22:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Yep. [00:22:18] Speaker A: I think people would notice even if it happened today. People notice stuff. [00:22:22] Speaker B: They're just like, oh, that's a weird error. Yeah. When they have a nice big map of the flight range of the Vulcan, everyone has their own assignments and they open the folders and so yeah, all the other Double O's, who knows where, they're all going somewhere else in that range of the Vulcan. But Bond is assigned to Canada and requests instead to change to Nassau because he points out there's a picture of Durval in the. In the folder as well as a picture of his sister Domino. [00:22:48] Speaker A: Right. And it's called Operation Thunderball. I'm like, oh my gosh, of course it's a ball that makes thunder. Thunderball. I get it now. [00:22:57] Speaker C: Goodbye. [00:22:58] Speaker B: Yeah. But yeah, so he gives his reasoning to that. I saw Derval dead. And clearly he was not dead when he was on the plane. So there's something fishy. So he goes to investigate where the sister Domino is, which is in the Bahamas. [00:23:13] Speaker A: Correct. [00:23:14] Speaker B: In Nassau. And this is where yet the next of our underwater sequences where Domino is hitching a ride on a turtle. Is this one of the things that would not happen today? [00:23:22] Speaker C: Yes. Riding a turtle. [00:23:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:25] Speaker A: Why? [00:23:26] Speaker C: No. Goodness. [00:23:27] Speaker A: So please tell. [00:23:29] Speaker C: I would Say, because I know, I know I. I don't have too much time on here, but I'm trying to make this short as possible. So. So not only with the fact that PETA would absolutely come on down on that, but it's more of the fact that there's three organizations that mainly function here in the US and also function as the hierarchy globally. But basically, those are the aquarists that oversee wildlife out in nature or wildlife in aquariums. And when I'm performing in an aquarium, we're not allowed to chase, ride, grab, touch any of the animals. We're allowed to touch them. If they come by us, like, let's say, like a stingray or shirt comes right in front of me, I can touch them to make it more of the performance. But riding a turtle, especially with the fact that it is a federal crime here in the United States to touch a green turtle. Like, absolutely not. Actually, not even green turtle. Most turtle species, it is a federal crime. [00:24:24] Speaker A: Well, so is that just when you're underwater swimming around? Because at a petting zoo, you can touch a turtle. [00:24:29] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. That's different. [00:24:31] Speaker C: Any turtles? Sea turtles, leatherbacks, green turtles, brown turtles? Any type of sea turtle? It is a federal. [00:24:39] Speaker A: Oh, my goodness. [00:24:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:40] Speaker A: This is the best part of the movie, though. [00:24:42] Speaker B: Supposed to be, like, I forget how many feet away from them. Yeah. [00:24:45] Speaker C: But of course, being the performer I am, I immediately, like, I really hope that turtle's okay. Like, I don't care about her. Like, I'm over here. Really hope that turtle knew that it was about to be held underwater and actually got a good breath. Because it could be drowning. We have no idea. Because if you notice, as soon as she let goes, he beelines it. I gotta take a breath. So, yeah, there are some major issues right there. [00:25:06] Speaker B: Bon goes down there, too, and sees her. They're both free diving. And then Domina gets her foot stuck in a reef, and Bon helps her. And then when they surface, Bon wastes no time trying to get to know her. [00:25:16] Speaker A: Is this the part where she's dressed like a domino? Or is that later? [00:25:20] Speaker B: Yes, I think with the, like, black and white. Black and white, maybe. Huh. I never thought about that. [00:25:25] Speaker C: Can we talk about the fact that, like, when she's. They're poisonous. No, they're not. They're venomous. There's a difference. Okay, that's one of my biggest things, is people will use, like, is that snake poisonous? And it's, like, venomous. The difference between poison is it has to be transversely across your skin. Or ingested. Venom is injected, huh? [00:25:46] Speaker A: Correct. [00:25:47] Speaker B: I didn't think about that. [00:25:48] Speaker C: So frogs, poisonous snakes. Venomous. [00:25:52] Speaker B: Interesting. So it's made of mainly a matter of who bites who. [00:25:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:56] Speaker C: Well, you're also, like, trying to say a toxic mushroom is venomous. Not the same. No. And then trying to say a snake is poisonous. It's like, no, it's venomous. As soon as she said that, like, the biologist in me was like, okay, all right. And then also, can we talk about how she, nonchalant, was like, I got injected with venom. Like, I. I. [00:26:14] Speaker B: So I think that's a little. Actually, a little bit later. [00:26:18] Speaker A: No, I think that's. [00:26:19] Speaker B: Yeah, no, that's later. That's when they're on the beach. [00:26:21] Speaker A: So is this another Bond girl that can't speak English, so they dub all of her dialogue? [00:26:25] Speaker B: Yes. [00:26:26] Speaker A: That probably explains that. [00:26:27] Speaker C: Okay. Zach and I had the same question. I thought that was the scene where she was dressed in black and white. [00:26:31] Speaker B: Oh, no, you're right. That is. That's the later scene. Sorry, I'm getting there. Because I think. No, she's wearing a black bikini in this one. Yeah, that's right. You're right. That's later. When she's dressed in black and white. Where was I? Oh, yeah. So surfaces, and then the other brunette is there in the boat. [00:26:47] Speaker A: Yeah, the hench girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:26:49] Speaker B: His assistant. [00:26:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:26:50] Speaker A: Okay. She's in the boat. [00:26:51] Speaker B: Yeah. And she fakes the engine's not working. She gives Bond a ride to shore. [00:26:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:56] Speaker C: Now. Now I know exactly where we're at. Yeah. [00:26:59] Speaker B: And then we see that she's got someone who's watching her who works for her guardian, who happens to be Largo. And she leaves, and we get to casino time. So Bond in his tux, playing cards as you, as usual. Largo and Domino are there. [00:27:12] Speaker A: Yeah, she asked to wear a tux. Sorry, Christian, the question about her being the sister of Duval. Yeah, Actually, I guess this is a question for both of you. Do you consider this to be a plot contrivance? That the sister of the key part of the plan to steal the nukes is also the squeeze of the head bad guy? [00:27:29] Speaker B: I feel like it's probably intentional so he can keep an eye on her. [00:27:33] Speaker C: I just remember at this point in the movie, I wasn't necessarily thinking that. I was thinking more like, why is it the fact that, you know, like, sex is used as a center tool for Bond? And I found it, like, very funny that a lot of people take it away as Bond is a. Is a Ladies, man. But what I find more interesting that we. That you find out later in the movie that it's almost used as a transactional thing. It's not really like, oh, we're just gonna turn this into a spicy scene. It's more of like, Bond is using this as like, I'm going to do this for you. I need information. I'm going to do this for you. Because if you notice every time something like that happens where he meets a lady and something happens with them, he gets something out of it immediately after. Like, he did that with her, gets a ride. You'll find out later in the movie that he does it again with a different lady. And she's like, what about this? And he's like, well, I need this. And it's used as more of a transactional thing that I've noticed is more of the themes, at least through this movie. [00:28:27] Speaker A: True. That's accurate. [00:28:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:30] Speaker A: It's because he's a man on a mission. [00:28:31] Speaker B: Yep. Yep. Doing it all for Queen and country. [00:28:34] Speaker C: Which, unfortunately, is just not the case in real life. It's not. [00:28:38] Speaker A: Or maybe, fortunately, it's not. It's not the case in real life. [00:28:42] Speaker C: Goodness. [00:28:42] Speaker A: But. No, but. Okay, Seriously, though, if you don't mind, I would still like to discuss the Duval. Yeah. I feel like if Domino wasn't with Largo, Bond never would have found them. [00:28:51] Speaker B: Yeah, that's very true. But I. Yeah. Like, I think my opinion of it was that he's doing that so he can keep an eye on her because she's the only other link in the. [00:28:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:00] Speaker B: In everything Is James Bond. [00:29:02] Speaker A: Like Star wars, where the fans feel like they need to explain everything. [00:29:05] Speaker B: Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So they're playing cards against each other. Largo's wearing an obvious ring with the skull on it. [00:29:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:15] Speaker B: Bond spinning. [00:29:16] Speaker A: Looks like you're facing the specter of defeat. Yeah. Chris, did you like that they're playing baccarat again? [00:29:25] Speaker B: Shimon Defer, not baccarat. [00:29:27] Speaker A: Yeah, I think you corrected me about that last time. [00:29:30] Speaker B: Yeah, but it's. Yeah, it's. It's actually. It's like a game that no one really knows how to play, so. [00:29:35] Speaker A: Except for you. [00:29:36] Speaker B: I only barely know how to play it, so. More than most people don't is winning. But he's past the shoot because he wants to go buy Domino a drink. We find out that she's Largo's mistress, and Bon is trying to get more intel, finds out if they're staying aboard tonight, and then Bon gets invited to visit Palmyra, the Largo's house on the island. And we see someone behind Bond wearing sunglasses at night. [00:30:02] Speaker A: Is that Felix? [00:30:03] Speaker B: That is Felix. We go back to his room. Bond is suspicious. Suspicious. He enters the connecting room instead. And we see that Paul is not around. But I like. He has a hidden tape recorder inside a book. And he hears a scuffle on the recording. So he goes to get his gun and there's someone at the door. And it's Felix. And he punches him before he says 007. [00:30:22] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right. [00:30:23] Speaker B: But there's someone who is in the shower and it's a goon. True. Another. Yeah, that's very true. [00:30:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:30] Speaker C: Almost every death scene involves water. [00:30:33] Speaker B: He uses hot water on the guy. [00:30:36] Speaker A: Yeah. Spray him. [00:30:37] Speaker B: It's a very. [00:30:38] Speaker A: It's a very effective shower. It gets hot right away. [00:30:41] Speaker B: That's true. [00:30:42] Speaker A: This is where we have the shark kill as well. [00:30:44] Speaker B: The first shark kill, the goon goes back to Largo and Largo feeds him to the sharks. [00:30:51] Speaker A: Again, this is parodied in Austin Powers, but this is classic James Bond. I liked it. [00:30:55] Speaker B: Yep, yep. That Bond goes to CQ and we. This is the first time we see Q out in the field giving him his gadgets. He got a Geiger counter that's hidden in a watch. We've got a underwater infrared camera and as well as a flare. And I like this. The little rebreather that lasts what I think is two minutes, five minutes somewhere around there. [00:31:15] Speaker C: Four minutes. [00:31:15] Speaker B: Yeah, four minutes. [00:31:16] Speaker A: Uses it for longer than four minutes later. Right. We were all going to see that. [00:31:20] Speaker C: Which I found funny because for underwater scenes, especially now with normal movies, is the fact that you actually have to use professional freedivers as stunt knuckles. And usually most of their broth bolts are anywhere between four to eight minutes. So I think it's funny back then because. Because of knowledge on aquatics that was there. Oh, four minutes. [00:31:39] Speaker A: Whoa. [00:31:40] Speaker C: And it's like doing it. [00:31:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:42] Speaker C: People are doing it in one breath. So. [00:31:44] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, was that Tom Cruise? What? He held it for six minutes or something in the. One of the Mission Impossibles. Yeah, yeah. [00:31:51] Speaker A: There's also in this Q scene, there's. I don't know if you guys noticed that there's a weird cut where Q is bending down and it cuts and he's going up. [00:31:58] Speaker B: I did not notice that. [00:31:59] Speaker C: No. [00:32:00] Speaker A: Yeah, look for it again. I thought it was interesting. [00:32:03] Speaker B: And the other gadget he gives her is like a homing signal pill that's radioactive. [00:32:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:32:09] Speaker A: What a times. So this is the first Time I noticed it and we see it later in the movie. This is the first example of a wipe transition. [00:32:16] Speaker B: Like in Star Wars. [00:32:18] Speaker A: Like in Star Wars. But I don't think I've seen it. [00:32:19] Speaker B: In James Bond before or after many of those. [00:32:22] Speaker C: Yeah, that's interesting. That's really cool. [00:32:23] Speaker A: I didn't know that you might say it's like a wave. Lord. Yeah, you encouraged me. [00:32:31] Speaker B: He's barely got his feet wet with these jokes. All right, so Bond goes to dive to get a better look at the Disco Volante, and one of another diver spots him and they sound the alarm. Bond is taking some underwater photos and they drop grenades in the water. [00:32:45] Speaker A: This is great. It's like depth charges that. Depth charges, yeah. [00:32:49] Speaker B: And Bond manages to get away and get ashore and hitches a ride with a passing car which happens to be driven by Fiona. And she drives very fast and it makes Bond nervous. [00:32:59] Speaker A: I also, like in this part, he's basically wearing booty shorts. Did you guys notice this? [00:33:02] Speaker B: Yes. Like white booty shorts. [00:33:07] Speaker A: I found that amazing. So I also want to say very quickly that this movie gave you some nostalgia, Jacob. I often like to joke that I don't remember a lot of these Bond movies that we covered, but this one did, because I remember I had in joke with my siblings where we would say Largo and the Disco Volante. [00:33:21] Speaker B: Okay, that's it. [00:33:22] Speaker A: That's the whole joke. We just repeat that. [00:33:25] Speaker B: All right. [00:33:26] Speaker C: Sounds like a really bad, like villains like getaway quote, Largo. [00:33:32] Speaker A: That's. Yeah. So anyway, so she drives fast and scares him, but then nothing happens. [00:33:37] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And it turns out they're staying in the same hotel. What a coincidence. [00:33:40] Speaker A: Yeah. Another one of those. [00:33:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:42] Speaker C: But can we also talk about the fact that he gave her a ride and what happens immediately after? [00:33:47] Speaker A: Good point. She gave him a ride, you mean? [00:33:49] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the thing is, it's always transactional, which I just find it funny because it kind of does this subconscious power play that, you know. Unfortunately now times is not really a good thing. But Aiden can use your intimate interaction with the lady as a transactional thing. And I just think it's funny that it's used like five times in this movie because. And people don't realize that. And I think that's the reason why they walk away thinking like, oh, Bond's like a man. Do you understand why you think that? And it's until like you start like realizing that he's using it as transactional thing every time. That's why. [00:34:22] Speaker A: Interesting point. [00:34:24] Speaker B: So bon Develops the photos and see, they see an underwater hatch on the Disco Volante. And Felix and Vaughn go searching for the wreck of the Vulcan. And they give these stats for how fast or how far the Disco Volante could go for over one night. And it's nowhere near. So they've go through that entire range and don't find anything. And then we see Largo and Fiona back at Palmir at the house, skeet shooting and discussing Bond. And Fiona wants to be the one who kills Bond. [00:34:50] Speaker A: Yeah. But she says it makes sense they don't kill him because the UK government would figure out they were there. Which finally, a James Bond movie explains why they don't just kill James Bond as soon as they find. And I know it's been happening more than one movie, but. [00:35:03] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah. Interesting. I didn't think about that, but yeah. So Bond, in the hell, still in the helicopter with Felix, flies past Palmyra and sees like the pool that they have just for sharks. [00:35:13] Speaker A: He's like, oh, boy, I know I'm going in there sooner or later. [00:35:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:35:17] Speaker B: Saban arrives back at Palmira because he was invited. He sees Domino in the pool. And then Bon hints that he saw Fiona there. Largo gives Bond a tour. They do some skeet shooting. See the shots? [00:35:31] Speaker A: There's some toxic masculinity with the gun. [00:35:36] Speaker C: Is this one where he's like, oh, that gun's built for a lady. [00:35:39] Speaker B: Yep. [00:35:39] Speaker C: Yeah, that was my favorite quote. Because the thing is, it's a double layered insult. First off, he's saying your gun is stupid. And then he's saying, no, I don't know a lot about guns. I know a lot about women. Implying that he doesn't. The other guy doesn't know anything about women. So I just. I was living for that. That was great. [00:35:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:56] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a good point. [00:35:57] Speaker B: Yeah. And so, yep, he sees the shark pool too, asks a bit about the Disco Valante, and then Largo invites Bond to the Junkanoo, which is like their little Mardi Gras. [00:36:09] Speaker A: I was also very amused. I watched this with my wife and I, and I can tell her all your. All of her takes, but we were amused. There's a part where Domino says, let me get changed, and she changes from one bathing suit into another bathing suit. [00:36:23] Speaker B: Didn't notice that. That's funny. [00:36:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. So they go to the junk canoe. This is also one part where I can't tell the dark haired women apart part as well. [00:36:33] Speaker B: Yeah. So before we go to the junk canoe, though, we see Fiona entering Bond's room. I don't know how she got a key to Bond's room. [00:36:39] Speaker A: She's a spy, Christian. Come on. She has her ways. [00:36:42] Speaker B: Yeah, but I mean, this is to. [00:36:44] Speaker C: Point out that, like, the funny thing that I've noticed, because you'll. You'll notice that as we talk about this, I'm very much like. For underlying themes, the coolest thing was that he described it as this area's version of Carnival. And if anybody remembers in high. High school, reading the. Oh, gosh, what's that old Italian story about carnival and, like, masked killers? It's this old story about people being at Carnival and there's mass people, so you don't really know their true intentions and people get killed. And I think it's funny that this is. I feel like they were trying to put like a modern twist on that with this. Even though technically people weren't masked, but people were unaware of their true intentions. This is happening during Carnival, which is what happens in the old story. So I just find that really funny. I'm gonna have to find it. But. Yeah, no, I just find that hilarious that there was kind of like this underlying theme with that. [00:37:38] Speaker A: Well, this seems to be a thing that keeps happening in James Bond. I remember there's one where, I don't know. Parade. Yeah. He's in Rio. And then we just saw Octopussy where he's in a circus. [00:37:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:49] Speaker A: Him blending into a crowd while the crowd is having a party. What's that? [00:37:53] Speaker C: I found it. The Cask of Amont Delado. [00:37:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:59] Speaker C: And it's like set in an Italian time. [00:38:01] Speaker B: Right. [00:38:01] Speaker C: And taking fatal revenge on a friend. This underlying theme with all that. So I found that really funny because it was like, oh, Carnival. Yeah. [00:38:08] Speaker B: So. Oh, yeah, I was about. With Fiona. Fiona entering Bond's room and. But Paula's there and Paula goes into the adjoining room. And then the goons capture her and chloroform her. And Fiona discovers the underwater pictures. [00:38:22] Speaker A: Also, Felix shows up at this point. I think he looks tanned. [00:38:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:38:26] Speaker A: I don't know about anybody else. [00:38:27] Speaker C: I also noticed that. [00:38:28] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. Bond and Domino are the junk canoe. And yeah, Felix is in the crowd trying to get his attention. We find out that Paula. He says that Paul. Paul is checked out of the hotel. So he has Felix watch Domino while he's going to go and investigate what happened to Paula. [00:38:43] Speaker C: What's that, like, film term where it's like continuation or something like continuity. Continuity, yeah. [00:38:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:50] Speaker C: I can definitely tell an old time philos. There's A lack of that. [00:38:55] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So to investigate where, what happened to Paula? They somehow get like the government to cut power across the island. [00:39:04] Speaker A: Yeah. That was awesome. [00:39:05] Speaker B: Bond sneaks into Palmyra and finds out that Paula was brought there, but she's now dead. And she took some cyanide. [00:39:13] Speaker A: This is a great point. It's a great infiltration, a great escape, a great shootout. [00:39:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Sneaking out and then he shoots in two directions and gets them to start firing on each other. It's great. Yeah. [00:39:27] Speaker A: But then he gets up, he ends up in the shark tank. He has used the rebreather. [00:39:32] Speaker B: And then he stabs the goonly. [00:39:34] Speaker C: Just point that out. Sharks are friendly. They're not mean. They are wonderful to deal with. They're, they're never gonna attack you. However, I'm pretty sure the one in that tank is a bull shark. Absolutely will not swim with those. They're, they're friendly, but they will definitely test you. [00:39:49] Speaker A: Jeez. Well, I like that he stabbed the one and then swam away so that the other ones were to eat it. [00:39:54] Speaker C: Yes. [00:39:55] Speaker A: I also like when he opens the thing and the strikes swim by and he lets them go by. [00:39:59] Speaker B: So I got a behind the scenes info for that. So there's, there was supposed to be a glass section that was separate. Would separate Connery from the actual sharks. I, they, I don't remember why, but it was taken out. And so when you, when he, he sees one go past him and he has a look of shock. That is real shock on Connery's face. [00:40:18] Speaker A: I'd be shocked too. [00:40:19] Speaker C: I've swam with wild sharks. I've swim with wild reef sharks and wild black tips. I swear they're really nice. But I'll never touch a bull shark. [00:40:26] Speaker A: I'll tell you that for anyone. [00:40:29] Speaker C: No. [00:40:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. So Bond escapes and then goes back to his hotel where he finds Fiona in the bath. [00:40:35] Speaker A: They're really getting a lot of mileage out of this nice hotel room set. [00:40:40] Speaker B: Yeah. And so she asks him to hand her something to put on and he gives her a pair of shoes. [00:40:45] Speaker A: Again, classic James Bond. [00:40:48] Speaker B: And like as he's doing so, he notices the specter ring on the counter. And then they have sex. And Bond is trying to get transactional, he's trying to get info out of her, but he is unsuccessful. [00:40:58] Speaker A: And yeah, here comes the sudden but obvious betrayal. [00:41:01] Speaker B: Yeah, they're getting ready to go back to the Junkanoo. Bonds opens the door and Largo's goons are there. And Fiona has a gun on him. And this is where he, like. Yeah. [00:41:10] Speaker A: This is also where she calls him out for all of his seducing tropes. [00:41:13] Speaker B: Exactly. Like I have in my notes. It's a pointed reference to how he got Pussy Galore in Goldfinger to change sides by sleeping with her. But it didn't work with Fiona. [00:41:22] Speaker A: Right. [00:41:23] Speaker B: Yeah. So they bring Bond in a car. There's a drunk guy who's like, coming up to them, asking them for money. And he uses the drunk guy's booze and Fiona's lighter to, like, cause a little, you know, explosion and escape. [00:41:36] Speaker A: Again, though, this scene search for him just goes on for so long. [00:41:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:41] Speaker C: They start shooting at him towards the crowd. And nobody in the crowd turns around. [00:41:45] Speaker B: No. But they somehow nick him or something. Because now he's like. I like the idea that they have here where it's, you know, they're gonna track him by, like, the blood that's out of a wound in his leg. But, you know. Yeah. [00:41:55] Speaker C: Can I point out, that's a water. [00:41:57] Speaker B: It's liquid. Yeah, it's water. [00:41:59] Speaker C: No, not even because of that. Because if you think about it, there's a lot of shark themes. Shark track their prey by blood. [00:42:05] Speaker B: That's true. [00:42:06] Speaker C: So many. [00:42:08] Speaker B: You were getting some. [00:42:09] Speaker A: Okay, I thought that was a stretch, but following the blood trail. Okay, I'm with you on that one. [00:42:14] Speaker B: I see it. I see it. [00:42:15] Speaker C: Sharks, because that's their, like, thing. And technically, if you think about it, they're an entire group of sharks, not just their part pets. Yeah. [00:42:23] Speaker B: Interesting. [00:42:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Hunting pack. [00:42:25] Speaker B: Yeah. So. So Bon gets away to this club called the Kiss. Kiss Club. And the goons follow him. And then Bon gets a human shield by of this random woman he asked to dance. [00:42:38] Speaker A: Yeah, that's spy life. [00:42:40] Speaker B: And then Fiona cuts in and they're dancing and the goon goes behind, like the stage pipe and drape with a gun and uses like, the bongos of the. Of the band playing to cover the sound of the gunshot. And as soon as the gunshot happens, Fiona, a bomb turns Fiona and she's shot instead of him. [00:42:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Nobody figures it out. He puts her down and then he says, sorry about my friend, she's just dead. Why didn't he say she's dead? Tired. He could have beaten Arnold schwarzenegger to that 20 years earlier. [00:43:09] Speaker C: But can we talk about, like, the amount of blood that didn't come out of her? [00:43:13] Speaker B: Right. It's like he moves his fingers and, oh, there's a little blood that trickled out. So, like, what did they shoot between his fingers? [00:43:20] Speaker A: I figured it's just extremely low speed ammunition. [00:43:25] Speaker C: Everything is compacted in. [00:43:26] Speaker B: There you go. [00:43:27] Speaker A: Is that a reference? Didn't that happen in real life? Is that a reference? [00:43:31] Speaker C: No idea. [00:43:32] Speaker B: I think you're thinking about the Sherlock episode maybe. Yeah. Where it's like the belt. That's the. What is it? The. The long spear on the belt loop. And he doesn't feel it because it's all so closely. [00:43:44] Speaker A: No, no. I was thinking of a woman who's wearing a corset who gets, like, stabbed or something, and the corset, like, keeps her guts together. [00:43:51] Speaker B: I mean, it's entirely possible that's in a movie or a story, too. But that. [00:43:55] Speaker C: Yeah, interesting newspaper. Did you read about that? [00:44:00] Speaker A: I'll look it up later. [00:44:01] Speaker B: The Brits and NATO are making plans to pay up, and they don't have much faith in 007, but M does, and he's still trying to. Tells him to back him. And then so Bond and Felix continue to search for the Vulcan and the chopper. They check the Golden Grotto, which has a lot of sharks, and then Felix shoots a shark to keep the others occupied. It looks like they really shot a shark here. [00:44:22] Speaker C: They did. [00:44:23] Speaker A: Unfortunately, they did. [00:44:25] Speaker C: That is not a fake shark. I don't know in what means. They actually had a live shark and killed. It Had a dead shark that was already dead at a fish market, but yes, that is. [00:44:34] Speaker A: Oh, my goodness. [00:44:35] Speaker C: Shark. [00:44:35] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:44:37] Speaker A: That's crazy. [00:44:38] Speaker C: That was a lemon shark. So those are very common. They're not really endangered, but that's still bad. [00:44:44] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, Pete. [00:44:45] Speaker A: I mean, they had animal protection back then. It's not like they didn't have anything. So I don't know how they got away with that. [00:44:50] Speaker C: Shark protection didn't really start coming out until the 80s. People really care. Yeah, people didn't really care about the ocean until, like, about. [00:44:58] Speaker B: Have you ever swam in the Bahamas? [00:45:00] Speaker C: Me? Yes. That's when I swam with real reef shirts and black tips. [00:45:05] Speaker B: Oh, cool. [00:45:06] Speaker C: Yeah. We decided to do a shark excursion, and I did with my sister, who also did swimming with me, and we decided to swim some sharks. And the funny thing is they take like 30 of you out there. Everybody's wearing a life jacket. And I am the only one that looks at the captain. I go, do I have to wear this? And he goes, no, we just give it to people. People don't realize they don't have to wear that. I take my life jacket off because I have a GoPro and I'm just. [00:45:28] Speaker B: Just. [00:45:28] Speaker C: I'm diving down, like 20ft and everybody's out at the surface, like, yo, this dude's crazy. My sister's in the background. Like, that's my brother. But yeah, no, sharks are really, really nice. They actually just want to stay away from me. They don't really care. [00:45:42] Speaker B: Interesting. Okay, yeah, cool. [00:45:44] Speaker A: That makes sense. Well, my wife wanted to know in this part, why aren't the sharks attacking James Bond? I want him to fight a shark. His early sharks are swimming right by him and they don't even. [00:45:54] Speaker B: Well, they're distracted by the blood in the water. [00:45:57] Speaker C: I will tell you, I've. I've seen a shark frenzy in person. Yeah, they do go full black eyed. Absolutely crazy. They hyper fixate on the area where everybody. All the other sharks are. So it would make sense that if technically you threw dead fish or something in, you could swim out the other side. [00:46:13] Speaker B: Wow. [00:46:13] Speaker C: I don't know how successful it would be, but it would work. Maybe. [00:46:16] Speaker B: Yeah. All right, so we are. Oh, yes. So Bond does find the wreckage of the Vulcan and sees Angelo's body, takes his dog tags in his watch, but sees that the bombs aren't on board and they could be on the Disco Volante. So he goes to find Domino in the same diving spot where they first met. [00:46:34] Speaker A: This is a part with the venomous spike. [00:46:37] Speaker B: Yes. But first. Well, they've. One, they've got tanks on this time. And two, they have underwater sex. And then the bubbles. [00:46:43] Speaker A: First up, they are. They have bubbles. That's crazy. [00:46:47] Speaker C: First off, can we talk about how quick it was? So second off again, when they surface, there's transactional information going on. It happens every time. And I also want to point out if something venomous stabs me in my foot in the ocean. Nothing in the ocean is mild. It is extreme. So can we talk about the fact. Ah, just a little. It's poisonous. It's like, all right, girl, that deserves. [00:47:10] Speaker A: A razzie for worst acting. I agree. She did not seem scared. [00:47:14] Speaker C: I was literally watching the movie and I was like, who directed this? And went, yep, that was it. That was the cut. [00:47:19] Speaker A: Like, no, that's the right. That's the right take. [00:47:23] Speaker B: Yeah. So Bond pulls out the spine with his. With his teeth. Makes no mention of sucking out the poison that could be in there or the venom that could be in there for that. [00:47:31] Speaker A: But he does do it. You see him do it. [00:47:32] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:47:33] Speaker A: Yeah. He just doesn't talk about it. [00:47:34] Speaker B: Yeah. And then he tells Domino that her brother is dead and shows him the dog. Shows her the dog tags in the watch and wants her Help. And this is where one of the goons, Vargas, is hiding in the trees. Bomb gives Domino a Geiger counter that's hidden in a camera and then shoots Vargas with a harpoon gun. [00:47:53] Speaker A: That's right. [00:47:54] Speaker B: I think he got the point. [00:47:56] Speaker A: Great post. [00:47:56] Speaker C: I think, but sub theme, what do you kill sharks with? Yeah, I'm just saying I'm. I might. I'm not saying I'm onto something, but I'm not saying I'm wrong. [00:48:08] Speaker B: I'm definitely on to something. [00:48:09] Speaker A: This is also the part I mentioned this before, where she is dressed like the Domino. That's in my notes. [00:48:13] Speaker B: I never. I've never thought about that. But the black and white. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. So. [00:48:18] Speaker A: So, yeah, there's probably more swimming, more henchmen underwater. My wife says the lady finally decided to wear some clothes. About Domino. [00:48:25] Speaker B: Yes, that's right. Bond. Domino tells Bond about an area that's off on Palmira that's off limits as a bridge. So Bond goes and he sees goons leaving on a truck and they have their dive gear already set up, so when they come back, they can go. So Bond takes the radioactive homing beacon pill and waits till they return and then very quietly knocks one out and takes their place. [00:48:46] Speaker A: So I think what's happening is the UK paid Spectre, but they're still going to nuke Miami. Is that correct? They're bad guys. [00:48:54] Speaker B: I don't know that they did pay yet. I know that they had said that they were thinking they would have to, but I think there was a countdown clock about when they would have to. [00:49:01] Speaker C: Still, I also want to like point out. So a fun fact about water is that this machine that they're using the last, like swim with and get the missiles and whatever. I think it's funny that they have these old style single window eye masks which back in the day those could only be used for mild scuba diving and snorkeling because the. When you go into water, air pressure increases. So that air will actually. So the air inside that mask will decrease and will suction to your face, essentially doing the same as sucking your eyeballs out of your head. So I like how it's portrayed, portraying them as if they're like 100ft, 100ft underwater and that it would not be the case with those masks. Those masks would have sucked it right off. Masks nowadays have separating chambers as well as, you know, have a mechanism to be able to withstand those kind of pressures. But back then they did not. Especially single window masks. [00:49:57] Speaker B: Is that why those are not Used as much anymore. [00:50:01] Speaker C: Correct. Because mainly what's happening as it's sucking out what is also in that mask. Look at my hand. [00:50:07] Speaker A: Let's see if, like, a little bit of air. [00:50:10] Speaker C: All the air in your lungs and what you might be holding in your mouth, which is a whole swimming technique that I don't need to go to. But a lot of swimmers will hold a pocket of air in their mouth. All that's connected. It'll be sucked out. [00:50:20] Speaker B: Interesting, because I. I have one of those, like, and it took some time to find one just because, you know, no one makes them. And I only have it because. Because of the James Bond look. And I'm honestly not doing very deep dives. So I'm like. I use it if I go, like, snorkeling or something. I was like, it's okay for snorkeling. Yeah. [00:50:37] Speaker C: But I could definitely tell by the way they were swimming. I was like, oh, they're like, 20ft underwater. [00:50:42] Speaker A: Yeah, that's fair. You can even tell sometimes, especially because how much light there is from above. They're clearly not very deep. [00:50:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:48] Speaker A: Didn't bug me, though. [00:50:49] Speaker B: No. But. Yeah. So they used a little mini sub to get to where the bombs are hidden, and in the process, Largo spots Bond, and they chase after him, and they lock him in the vault that the bombs are stored in. They leave him there to drown or wait for his oxygen to run out. And then Domino is searching the Disco Volante with the Geiger counter, but Largo catches her, like, immediately. And then Bond's, like, looking for an exit with the flare he has underwater flare, finds a cave. So it clearly wasn't that secure. [00:51:20] Speaker A: I guess not. So it gets picked up by the Coast Guard, which is pretty sweet. But my question is, why is the U.S. coast Guard in Nassau? Like, how far do they go when it. [00:51:29] Speaker B: I never thought about that. Was it specifically the US Coast Guard, or was it like. [00:51:33] Speaker A: Yes, it was. Well, okay. I don't know if it's the. It sure looked like the US Coast Guard, huh? [00:51:39] Speaker C: I don't have an answer for you on that one. That was funny. [00:51:42] Speaker B: It's a great. I've never thought about. [00:51:44] Speaker C: Themselves were a loss. And they said, hey, can you help us? [00:51:48] Speaker B: Yeah. So Largo is torturing Domino with, like, ice in a cigar. Heat and ice. Speaking of, you know, water and the. [00:51:57] Speaker A: DB seals coming out. And this is my favorite part of the movie when they're paradraming. [00:52:01] Speaker B: We also have, like. Before that, we have a little bit of the scientist who barely appeared, who Was helping Largo with the bombs. Is like, now, see, finds Domino, is, like, feeling guilty about it. [00:52:13] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, that. Oh, this guy. Yeah, this guy who shows up, like, at the end the last quarter of the movie. [00:52:19] Speaker B: Bondell's Felix targets Miami and then trans. The bombs are being transferred from the Disco Volante and then all the people in orange wetsuits parachuting into the water near the Disco Volante was being filmed. [00:52:31] Speaker C: And released during the Cuban Missile Crisis. [00:52:33] Speaker A: Sure. [00:52:33] Speaker B: So that was 62. This was made in 65. [00:52:36] Speaker C: So they were probably trying to hint towards that with. Trying to get as close as possible with Nassau, if I'm assuming correctly. [00:52:42] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I mean, that definitely, because the first Bond film came out not very long after or before, actually. When was Cuban? I know, 62. October. Do you remember, Zach? What day? [00:52:54] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right. [00:52:55] Speaker B: Well, what's the exact date? Because. Oh, so it came out shortly before. That's right. Yeah. Cuban missile crisis is October 16 to 28. First James Bond film came out on October 5. So it was right before. But this. There's definitely that era of that. But yeah. So I like that they're color coordinated. So, you know, who's the good guys and the bad guys? The good guys are wearing orange wetsuits. The bad guys are black wetsuits. [00:53:20] Speaker A: Later, when they're on the Disco Volante, the henchmen are wearing T shirts that say Disco Volante on it. It looks like something out of Batman, the old TV series with Adam West. [00:53:29] Speaker C: It looks like a family cruise where all the family. [00:53:34] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh, I never thought so. They do sell those shirts on, like, the 007 store. [00:53:38] Speaker A: They do. That's hilarious. [00:53:41] Speaker B: Yeah. So there's a big slow underwater, very slow with harpoon guns and knives. [00:53:48] Speaker A: Like, so many good guys die. It's very upsetting. It's very scary. It feels like you're in a war. James Bond loses his tank and the rebreather works for, like, 15. [00:53:56] Speaker B: And he also has, like, that super tank on him that, like, lets him swim really fast. And he's, like, helping out all the commandos and pulling masks and cutting tubes of the bad guys. [00:54:05] Speaker C: Well, this is actually where my notes end, because I think this is the last underwater scene, I'm pretty sure. So what I found really, really nice was because this is before professional stunt doubles. Like, this is before Stunt double Academy is type of deal. Underwater fight scenes were not really a thing. So what's really cool is that they probably made up a lot of these fights on. On a whim and this is really what an underwater fight scene would look like. It would be a slow motion, floating away type of deal. Nobody's anchored to the bottom and moving fast underwater. So that's what I kind of like about the realism of this is even though it's kind of like they probably were, like, filming the scene and, like, let's figure out this fight scene. But it's genuinely. Because that's how it would actually look like if it was a habit. [00:54:50] Speaker B: Interesting. [00:54:51] Speaker C: But that's the last of my notes. [00:54:53] Speaker A: There's not too much left. They fight. He gets on the Disco Volante. It goes super, super fast. Super fast. [00:54:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I like. So the disco can separate into two parts. You have the. The back part and you have, like, the hydrofoil and. Yeah. So like, the Navy or Coast Guard, whoever, are attacking the, like, the back part of the shell. And there's all the smoke that covers their escape. And the scientist frees Domino, and he says that they. He threw the dis. The arming device for the nukes into the sea, so they can't even activate them. And Domino and Largo are fighting for the helm of the ship. Largo and Bond. And then Largo catches Bond at gunpoint. But then Domino shoots Largo with a harpoon. [00:55:33] Speaker A: I feel like there aren't that many Bond movies where someone other than James Bond kills the villain. [00:55:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:55:38] Speaker A: So that's cool. [00:55:40] Speaker B: But while this is all going on, they realize that they're gonna go right into a bunch of rocks and they need to jump off the boat. And they are in the water. And a passing plane drops a life raft for Bond and Domino. And Bond starts to unpack the gear. Domino's looking pretty confused. A balloon launches up from the raft, and Bond attaches the cables to his back. And this is Skyhook, which was a way of using. Of getting commandos in and out of. [00:56:07] Speaker A: Areas I thought for sure he was going to make out in the raft at the end of the movie. It's a Bond stereotype. [00:56:12] Speaker B: No, they're just making out in the air from. [00:56:15] Speaker A: Well, I don't think it shows them making out in the air. I think that's just your. Your fan theory or whatever. [00:56:20] Speaker B: Yeah. And. But with that, our movie ends. [00:56:24] Speaker C: Spy Fact versus Spy fiction. [00:56:30] Speaker A: Yeah. All right, so now it is time for our Spy Fact versus Fiction. This is where we talk about things that are accurate, inaccurate, Wildly inaccurate. Jacob, as our guest, do you have anything? [00:56:40] Speaker C: I will tell you that during that turtle writing scene, the was definitely a point where I had to watch it. Three times. Okay, is this a robot? Is this animatronic? I can guarantee that turtle was real. That was my biggest thing was like animatronics nowadays that probably because if you actually look at it, the turtle wasn't moving its flippers too much. And then right at the end, when it decided to swim to the top, that's when it was like, that's real. Yeah. [00:57:09] Speaker B: All right, I'll go next. So like many James Bond movies, this is based on a book. Now, there's a whole big thing about the rights to this book. And the reason why this is. Has a different producer than the other Bond films. And I will not. We will. Maybe we'll save that for a microdot. But if you are interested in that, there's a great book called the Battle for Bond by Robert Sellers. Sellers, which is all about the lawsuit for the rights of this. Of this book and how it got made into a movie. The main difference is within the book and the movie is that there's no lookalike for Domino's brother. There's nothing like doubles thing. His bro, her brother is just straight up the traitor. There's no Fiona Volpe character either. And there's no Paula. There's just Domino. [00:57:50] Speaker A: So you're saying it's less confusing? [00:57:52] Speaker B: It's a bit less confusing, yes. Now, surprise. This is the one of the rare Bond movies where there's no video game appearances. None of these characters have really appeared in anything else, mainly because of the whole big rights issue. Now, what I do have about is the jetpack. It's known now, this is from Wikipedia. This is called the Bell Rocket Belt. It is a real thing. Real jetpack. It was developed in the mid-50s and it was first demonstrated in 1961. But it only can be used for 21 seconds of flight time. [00:58:19] Speaker A: That's disappointing. [00:58:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Now, they used to have one on display out at the National Air and Space Museum Annex at Udvar Hazy. I don't think it is on display any longer, though. But it's still in their archives. And then one of them makes an appearance in a big. Like the scene and Die Another Day, where they have a bunch of the old gadgets and. And he turns on the jetpack and makes it start. I also have. In the Spectre meeting, there was a reference to the Great Train Robbery, which is a real thing that happened in 1963. It was a robbery of £2.61 million from a Royal Main Train, Royal mail train traveling Glasgow to London. [00:58:57] Speaker A: Nice. [00:58:57] Speaker B: Then, let's see. Lastly, the Vulcan, the underwater Vulcan is actually. Or at least the frame of it is still there in the Bahamas. And you can dive down to it. Yeah. [00:59:08] Speaker A: So it was built for the movie. [00:59:09] Speaker B: It was built for the movie. They had partially destroyed it, but then left it in the water. You can dive down to it. It's barely recognizable as what it is, and you can just see a bunch of pipes and everything. But the general shape, if you see it from above is still the same. [00:59:20] Speaker A: Wow. They didn't pick up their trash. Typical. [00:59:23] Speaker B: But the model that was used for when they crashed, it was actually in the spy museum in their bonded motion exhibit. So I've got some pictures that we can post on our social media for. For that. [00:59:32] Speaker A: Very nice. I want to see that. Okay. I just have a couple of things. So has there ever been a time in history where divers fought each other underwater? Yes, there's a couple examples. One of the most notable recorded incidents occurred in 1842. Rival British army divers named Corporal Peter Jones and Private Girvan, or Girvan, fought each other underwater while working to salvage the wreck of the Royal George. Involved actual physical blows and dangerous entanglement, nearly killing both of them before they were brought to the surface. [01:00:03] Speaker B: Okay. [01:00:04] Speaker A: And then also these are both from Wikipedia, I think. During the siege of Malta in 1565, Maltese divers armed with swords intercepted Turkish swimmers trying to sabotage underwater barricades. So imagine how slow that would have been. Oh, swank. [01:00:18] Speaker C: Yeah, that would have been really bad. [01:00:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:20] Speaker A: And then finally, the junk canoe, also. John Konu, or John Canoe, is a festival that originated during the period of African chattel slavery in British American colonies. It is practiced most notably in the Bahamas, Jamaica and Belize, and historically in North Carolina and Miami. [01:00:37] Speaker B: Interesting. North Carolina. That's an interesting one. [01:00:40] Speaker A: Yeah. It says in many territories observed around the week of Christmas. Those are. [01:00:45] Speaker B: So does that make this a Christmas movie? [01:00:47] Speaker A: I guess you could say that. There's no thing to indicate one way or the other. And historian Stephen Nissenbaum described the festival as it was performed in 19th century North Carolina. It involved a band of black men, generally young, who dressed themselves in ornate and often bizarre costumes. Each band was led by a man who was variously dressed in animal horns, dilapidated rags, female disguise, white face, and wearing a gentleman's wig or simply his Sunday go to meeting suits. They would march around, perform dances, and then ask for money in return. The whiskey was an acceptable substitute. And that's all I have for spy fact versus fiction. [01:01:22] Speaker B: And I have. Well, I guess I'll mention we mentioned Skyhook at the end. We actually just talked about Skyhook in our episode on Operation Chromite. So if you want to learn more about Skyhook, listen that episode and listen to the end with our. Where we talk about it there. Favorite quotes. [01:01:41] Speaker A: So next we have our favorite quotes from the movie. Jacob, as our guest, would you like to go first? [01:01:46] Speaker C: Mine was the whole, like, that gun's built for a woman. I love that one because that was like I'm always here for not only insulting someone once, but insulting them twice in one sentence. That's great. [01:01:57] Speaker A: Double barreled insult. Like you said, like a gun. [01:01:59] Speaker B: Yeah, Zach. [01:02:00] Speaker A: Okay, I can go. So my wife had a funny comment. In the song Tom Jones sings, he always runs when others walk. And she said, is that because he's always late? I like two pilots, when they're getting ready to go, one of them says, what's the flap, Dawson? I thought that was a cool line. Speaking of masculine related insults, there's a part where Bond says to Domino, you swim like a man. I have no idea what that means. And then finally he calls Fiona out on the, on the Spectre ring and she says, it's a ring I like to wear. Yeah, that's the line that she came up with. [01:02:38] Speaker B: All right, so I've got a couple of favorite lines. I like when their Bond is being briefed by M and M asks, do you think she's worth going after? And Bond says, well, I wouldn't quite put it that way, sir. [01:02:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:02:49] Speaker B: And I like on their first meeting, you know, Domino says, what sharp little eyes you've got. And she says, and Bond says, wait till you get to my teeth. [01:02:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Sharks. [01:02:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Ah, sharks. Yeah. [01:03:03] Speaker A: Ratings. So now it is time for our ratings. On a scale of 1 to 10, Martini's one being Avengers 1998 level bad. 10 being even better than Mission Impossible, Ghost Protocol. How would we rate Thunderball? So Jacob, as our guest, would you like to go first again? [01:03:21] Speaker C: I genuinely give it a six. Okay. Probably because it, it was probably great for its time, but now trying to watch it, just the scenes go by so fast you don't have a moment to breathe. It's like if you look away at the wrong moment, you miss something. There's so many innuendos and hidden facts that it's like you're going to miss it. [01:03:39] Speaker A: So you're saying it was too exciting. [01:03:41] Speaker C: Sure. Sorry. I mean, I mean, sure. Which I do have to unfortunately say I have to go because I look like I'm being called back to my wonderful Mermaid event where I might have to swim with some sharks myself. But it was wonderful recording this with you guys. [01:03:58] Speaker B: Thanks you for coming on. Is there anything you want to plug quickly before you go? [01:04:02] Speaker C: No, just keep watching, Keep listening. You guys definitely have a great thing going, and I'm probably going to be listening to a couple episodes on my ride home tonight. [01:04:09] Speaker B: Thanks. Thanks. And we'll make sure we plug your Instagram later. [01:04:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Since you got it, Rod. [01:04:16] Speaker B: Yes. All right, well, thanks for. Thanks for being here. [01:04:18] Speaker C: I will catch you guys later. [01:04:22] Speaker B: All right. All righty. Zach, do you want to do your review next? [01:04:25] Speaker A: I was going to tell Jacob to go with the flow, but I decided to let him have one last pun. I let him have the last word because I'm generous like that. Okay. So my ratings, I do my pros and my cons. So my pros, Great villain, good setting. The women are hot. The plot is cool. I like a henchman fight. The underwater stuff was pretty. Pretty fun. The cons are it is very slow and it's a little bit confusing, but the stuff that bugged me didn't bug me that much. And the stuff that I liked, I liked a lot. And I think I'm in a good mood. So I'm going to give this an 8 out of 10. [01:04:59] Speaker B: Wow. 8 out of 10. [01:05:01] Speaker A: Yeah. It is a very solid but not perfect James Bond movie. [01:05:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. All right. [01:05:06] Speaker A: There's a reason why it's considered to be one of the better ones, and I'm inclined to agree. [01:05:09] Speaker B: It's interesting because with this, this is one of the ones that's, like, people either love it or hate it. [01:05:16] Speaker A: Really? There's haters. [01:05:17] Speaker B: No, there's haters because they think it's just too slow. But this is one where it's other than, like, the London and Paris troublens, the health cleaning stuff, this really just sits in one place the entire movie, which is not a lot of the modern ones. You know, you zip from place to place to place. So this is one where you really sit in this place and you get a feel for 1960s Nassau, Bahamas. [01:05:36] Speaker A: Yeah, it's true. It doesn't have, like, the. The pacing, like the easy, breezy Bond, but it didn't bug me that much. [01:05:45] Speaker B: No, I mean, I. I like that. I like that you really get to sit. Contrary to what I think Jacob was saying, this is a leisurely fold film. I liked that you could just sort of unwind and relax with it. [01:05:55] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a good way to put it. [01:05:56] Speaker B: So I like that. I mean, the Swimming, the underwatch stuff is slow. I like now that hearing that this is actually how it would infer unfold. It gives me a better appreciation for it. And I'm. Yeah, I, I, this was never one of my favorite favorites, but I always enjoyed it. So I'm gonna give it also a solid 8 out of 10 martinis. [01:06:16] Speaker A: Very nice. Very nice. Okay, I think that's all we want to say. Do you want to say Jacob's social media? [01:06:24] Speaker B: Yeah, one sec. Yeah. So Jacob was very kind to be with us this, for this recording. And his Instagram is capital. Merman capital with an O because he's in the D.C. metro area and his website is capitalmerman.com so if you want to just see some really cool underwater merman stuff, you could go to his Instagram or if you want to get more info about him, go to his website because he's, he's really cool. Like, I watched that Netflix doc with Carolyn. Just the effort that they have to do is really impressive in terms like breath, technique and swimming. [01:06:58] Speaker A: So, yeah, very nice. All right, well, thank you to our guest and thank you all for listening and for joining us. You can find us on social media at the Spy Fi Guys on Facebook, Blue Sky, YouTube and Instagram, as well as our merch [email protected] until next time. I'm Zach. [01:07:13] Speaker B: And I'm Christian. [01:07:14] Speaker A: And we are at the Spy Fi Guys signing off. [01:07:20] Speaker B: Thank you for listening to the Spy Fi Guys. If you enjoyed our podcast, please be sure to give us a five star rating on itunes. 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