Goldfinger guest starring Andrew Hammond

[00:00:01] Speaker A: Everything he touches turns to excitement. We are the spyfi guys, and this is Goldfinger. [00:00:09] Speaker B: Welcome to the spy fi guys. [00:00:12] Speaker A: So I apologize to the universe for that. [00:00:14] Speaker B: Yeah. Wow. [00:00:16] Speaker A: Justice for Denison. [00:00:18] Speaker B: Is it though? [00:00:20] Speaker A: I laughed and then I hated myself for laughing. Hello, and welcome back to the spyfi guys, where we cover spy facts, spy fiction, and everything in between. I'm Zach. [00:00:36] Speaker B: And I'm Christian. [00:00:37] Speaker A: And today we have a very special episode for not one, but two reasons. [00:00:41] Speaker B: Yeah. So we couldn't let the 60th anniversary of Goldfinger pass by without doing an episode on it. And of course, to talk about Goldfinger, we figured we'd have the. I'm gonna say the best Scott, but maybe the only Scott I know, actually that I think about it, we have Dr. Andrew Hammond, the historian and curator of the spy museum. [00:01:03] Speaker C: It's a pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me on the show. [00:01:06] Speaker A: Welcome back, Andrew. Longtime listeners may remember that he stood up for Arthur Dennison during the imitation Game an episode quite a while back. [00:01:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:15] Speaker A: He shared his knowledge with us. This episode also debuts our new intro, outro and segment breaks. [00:01:22] Speaker B: Yeah. And also shout out to Paige from the spy museum, who did some voiceovers for us. Thank you so much, Paige. [00:01:29] Speaker A: So before we get started, Andrew, is there anything you would like to plug, as people do when they're on podcasts? [00:01:36] Speaker C: I think that one thing that I would like to plug would be this month, October on Spycast. I think it's a pretty big month. So the first week of the month, we had on the former deputy director for digital innovation at the CIA. So she's one of the five people who head up a CIA directorate. So quite a senior figure. But it's the newest directorate, digital innovation, So I think it's quite an exciting topic. Then on week two, we had the current ranking member from the House permanent select committee on intelligence, Congressman Jim Himes, on the show. Then last week or this week, we had on Chris Voss, who's like the former head international negotiator for the FBI, so super famous in the news a lot these days, has his own masterclass, etc. Then we have a behavioral profiler, which is always very cool, but this guy does behavioral profiling for cyber threats. Oh, so interesting. [00:02:48] Speaker B: I am looking for, like, how. How do you profile that? That's fascinating. I'd love. I'm excited. [00:02:53] Speaker C: You need to listen to the episode. So it's kind of cool. So everybody loves, like, the behavioral profilers and, you know, for. For serial killers and so forth. And then the final Week as the founder of Bellingcat, the open source journalistic agency. [00:03:10] Speaker B: Yes. [00:03:11] Speaker A: Andrew is the host of the Spy Cast, the Spy Museum's official podcast. Didn't Chris Voss write negotiating like your life depends on it? [00:03:18] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I've read that. Okay. All right, well, that's exciting. This episode comes out in November, so everyone listening to this will be able to listen to all of those already. [00:03:28] Speaker A: Yeah, they'll just be able to binge it. [00:03:30] Speaker B: Be sure to tune in. All right, now, and before we get into anything, I want to ask what's everyone's history with Goldfinger? I mean, obviously it is one of the most famous James Bond films. I presume we've all seen it before. But what's. Yeah, what's your history? Andrew, we'll start with you. [00:03:44] Speaker C: I think when I think about Goldfinger, I can't remember the very first time I watched the movie, but I do remember very distinctly having an Aston Martin DB5, like modeled on the car from the movie. So it had the rear windscreen shield that would come up to protect one from bullets. [00:04:04] Speaker B: Was it the. You had the Corgi one or. [00:04:06] Speaker C: I think it was the Corgi one. Yeah, we had an ejector seat. It had the. Yep, that one right there. [00:04:13] Speaker B: That one right there. I've got a reissue. So yeah, it goes. I don't remember which button does the. Like. One of them has the ejector seat and I don't want to launch my little figure and not be able to find it. So. But we have. Yes, I had, I have one of those as well. [00:04:26] Speaker C: So that's, that's probably my earliest memory of Goldfinger. I can't remember the first time I've watched it. I just know I've watched it like a whole bunch of times. And I do distinctly remember having the car as a kid. [00:04:37] Speaker B: Nice. Nice. Zach, how about you? [00:04:39] Speaker A: So as we've discussed, every time we did a James Bond movie in the past, I would say that I grew up on the 007 Days of Christmas on Spike TV watching in the back room of my grandparents house. But that is wrong. I have been misinforming you for years. [00:04:54] Speaker B: Was it not Spike TV before that? [00:04:57] Speaker A: My siblings and I would go to Blockbuster every Friday night and rent one movie. So there was a point where we did all the James Bond movies. [00:05:05] Speaker B: Oh, okay. All right. [00:05:06] Speaker A: Now we were probably late elementary school to middle school, so maybe a little bit young for all the women, but we definitely watched them all. Do I remember them? Is it another question? So I've Definitely seen Goldfinger. But how much do I think about Goldfinger? Not much. [00:05:24] Speaker B: As longtime listeners of the show may remember, I got into James Bond when I was an exchange to in Japan. And at that point the. What's that? The first three Brosnans were out. And so I watched those. I watched you Only Live Twice, which takes place in Japan. And when I got back to the States is when I actually watched the rest of the Connery's. Like, I got all. Rented all the DVDs from the library and like watched all of those. But Goldfinger is one of the three Connery films I've actually seen in a theater. I saw, Yeah, I saw Dr. No on the 60th anniversary. They had a special screening, like a Phantom event screening. And then Die Another, Diamonds Are Forever. I saw AFI Silver Spring, was doing some sort of screening. Must have been some sort of anniversary for it. But Goldfinger. So I went to the University of Michigan for a period of time and they had, I think one of their film clubs or something would always would show, I think once a month, show a different movie, a random movie. And one day they were showing Goldfinger and I saw that I have to go. And it was so I. And it was on a huge screen. It was also a very rainy day, so not a lot of people came. So it was almost like a private screening. Like there was maybe like four other people in the entire theater. [00:06:40] Speaker A: Very nice. And speaking of private screenings, that reminded me that at one of Christian's birthday parties many years ago, he showed Goldfinger. [00:06:47] Speaker C: Oh, really? [00:06:47] Speaker A: Yeah, it was like one of those apartment buildings, theaters. I don't know if you've ever been in one, Andrew. I remember half of the people went to sleep because we've been drinking. [00:06:56] Speaker B: Well, and that's not only that. I had made it an entire day full of events. We had mini golf in the morning and then casino games and then the movie and dinner and then the movie. So it was a whole thing. So, of course, you know, we started the movie at like 10pm so of course people passed out. [00:07:12] Speaker A: I stayed away. [00:07:13] Speaker B: Yeah. But yeah. So with all that being said, let's get to our synopses. Plot synopsis. [00:07:25] Speaker A: All right, so as always, we have our poetry synopsis borrowed from the Delta Flyers with Garrett Wong and Robert Duncan McNeil. So first is our haiku for Goldfinger. Pair of dead sisters. Violence interrupts Bond love. Mystery henchmen. [00:07:44] Speaker B: I like it. [00:07:45] Speaker A: Spoilers begin. Now, I should have mentioned that. But the mystery henchman is the one in the plane at the Very end. The one who appears and disappears. We'll get to that. [00:07:54] Speaker B: Okay, we'll get to that. When we get to that. I'm curious now if I missed something. All right, what about our other synopsis? Zek? [00:08:00] Speaker A: Okay, and here is our limerick for Goldfinger. There once was a servant who's mute. He's strong, but also quite cute. When the plan went awry, his hat made him fry. Looks like Oryx not getting his loot. [00:08:15] Speaker B: Bravo. Bravo as always, Zach. [00:08:17] Speaker A: Thank you. Thank you. And then here's the real IMDb plot summary. While investigating a gold magnate's smuggling, James Bond uncovers a plot to contaminate the Fort Knox gold reserve. I didn't remember the contamination twist, by the way. [00:08:30] Speaker B: Oh, interesting. Yeah, yeah. All right. Andrew, you had something to say? [00:08:33] Speaker C: Yeah, I actually have a. If you will indulge me, I have a sonnet, so a 14 line poem on Goldfinger. [00:08:43] Speaker B: Wow, this is a first. [00:08:45] Speaker A: Yeah. No one ever breaks porch. [00:08:47] Speaker B: All right. [00:08:48] Speaker C: Okay. Goldfinger film of Bond's most daring quest, where gold and greed are tangled in the plot. Oryk, the villain stands above the rest. His cunning plan with wickedness is fraught. A laser's beam draws near and Bond is tied. But still his wit remains as sharp as Steel. No, Mr. Bond, I don't expect you to die. A line that gives the scene its timeless fail. The Aston Martin, sleek with deadly might as gadgets spark the thrill with every chase. Pussy Galore, who walks the edge of right, adds danger, charm and beauty to the race. With Shirley's voice, the theme songs, golden sting, Goldfinger reigns, the bond of kings. A king. [00:09:37] Speaker A: Wow. Wow. [00:09:39] Speaker C: That. [00:09:39] Speaker B: Is that in iambic pentameter. [00:09:46] Speaker C: Just for full disclosure, that's actually chatgpt. Oh, my God. [00:09:52] Speaker A: I can't believe that. [00:09:56] Speaker B: That is great. [00:09:57] Speaker A: I was about to be really impressed. [00:09:58] Speaker C: Yeah, but it's impressive, right? [00:10:01] Speaker B: It is impressive that the ChatGPT was able to come up with that. Yeah. All right. [00:10:06] Speaker A: I tried to use ChatGPT for limericks and they can't rhyme. It's not good. At least in my experience. [00:10:13] Speaker B: Just got to have the right prompt. All right, shall we get into it? The plot? So we start with our pre title sequence. The first thing we see is a duck, which is of course, a helmet that Bond is wearing. I think everyone remembers the tuxedo under the wetsuit, but not everyone remembers the duck helmet. So one of these days if I do that. Cause I kind of want to do a cosplay of like a wetsuit with like the tuxedo underneath. And the duck helmet. [00:10:40] Speaker A: That's right. As you guys may recall, I thought that this was how Dr. No started, was the wetsuit with the tuxedo. But that was not correct. [00:10:48] Speaker B: No, no. We see him sneak into a facility, plant something, get out of there. Has the Rolex, sees it click. And then as soon as he's like. As he's lighting his cigarette explosion. [00:11:01] Speaker A: He does something kind of subtle before everything goes crazy. [00:11:05] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And of course, apparently the guy was using, what was it? Heroin flavored bananas to finance. [00:11:12] Speaker A: Don't steal my favorite line. This is such a ridiculous line. I also had an observation that in the gun barrel, in the beginning, James Bond is wearing a hat. I always try to notice that. [00:11:21] Speaker B: I think he wears a hat until Roger Moore. So just to all of a Connery is. [00:11:25] Speaker A: Yeah, it doesn't fit him. I don't know. I'm not a fan. [00:11:28] Speaker B: Well, we'll see. Because, I mean, I've probably mentioned this. The last two Connery movies, he's covered. But Gun Barrel, that's not actually connery. That's Bob Simmons, who's a stuntman. [00:11:38] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right. [00:11:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:39] Speaker B: Then he goes to rendezvous with his belly dancer friend who is a double agent. And the most ridiculous thing of all. Right. He sees the reflection in her eye. [00:11:50] Speaker A: Yeah, it's great. [00:11:53] Speaker B: He has a fight. And then of course, the line, shocking, Positively shocking. [00:11:57] Speaker A: Well, after he throws a toaster at a guy in a bathtub, which is actually pretty good. I like that. I don't always love the line after the kill, but that was a good one. [00:12:06] Speaker B: The pre morte or post mortem one liner. Yeah. [00:12:09] Speaker A: Christian, as you may recall, in some of the previous episodes like Moonraker, we just recently did, I didn't like a lot of his post ones, like, okay, so Andrew, for example, you may not remember this, but there's a part where he spaces. What's the guy's name? [00:12:22] Speaker B: Hugo Drax. [00:12:23] Speaker A: Hugo Drax. He spaces Hugo Drax. He said, oh, he had to fly. I was like, what? He said he needed his space. Come on. [00:12:32] Speaker B: Both are good. Both are good. All right. And so with that, we go to our title sequence songs sung by Shirley Bassey. [00:12:40] Speaker A: The graphics are more restrained than in previous ones that we've covered. Like in Moonraker, they had women and martinis flying all over the place. [00:12:48] Speaker B: This and for Mushroom Love were done, not done by Marie Spender, who did a lot of them all the way up to License to Kill. So this is done by another guy whose name escapes me, but yeah, I Love the imagery, you know, gold painted women with the projection, you know, on. On their bodies. Like, I think my favorite though is like with like the gold face and then you have like over her mouth is the license plate and like it changes. [00:13:15] Speaker A: That is cool. [00:13:16] Speaker B: Yeah. But yeah, I love. I mean, the song. It's a classic song. It really is. Like, you can't go wrong. I mean, there's a reason that so many have aped it. I mean, even like I mentioned Licensed Kill. Licensed Kill has some of like the string section from or made the brass section from Goldfinger in the song itself. Skyfall is definitely an homage to this too. [00:13:38] Speaker C: Yeah, I feel like it's probably the Bond song that people are most likely to have heard. Like, if you think about across the franchise, I mean, there's other songs that stand out to me, but I feel like Goldfinger is probably one that has the highest probability of people having heard it before just because it's so striking. [00:13:56] Speaker B: Between that and Live and Let Die. Because it is Paul McCartney. [00:14:00] Speaker C: That's true. [00:14:01] Speaker B: Actually, that might be more Paul McCartney and not because of Bond. [00:14:06] Speaker A: Well, didn't Goldfinger chart? [00:14:08] Speaker B: I don't have that on me. I'm sure it did. Let's see. Okay, Bill. It gave Shirley Bassie her only Billboard Hot 100 top 40 hit, peaking in the top 10 at number eight and number two for four weeks in the adult contemporary chart. And in the UK, the single reached number 21. So, yeah, we did chart. [00:14:27] Speaker A: And then of course, it has the trend of the song has the same title as the movie. [00:14:31] Speaker B: Oh, so did From Russia with Love. Yeah, well, I mean, a lot of. [00:14:33] Speaker A: Them do, but not all of them. [00:14:35] Speaker B: Not all of them. I mean, it's hard to have a song titled Octopussy if you're an Octopusy, maybe. All right, so we go to Miami beach, where we probably have one of the most infamous lines in Goldfinger. [00:14:50] Speaker A: Yo, don't steal it, Christian. [00:14:53] Speaker B: I mean, I have to talk about it. [00:14:54] Speaker A: No, you don't. [00:14:55] Speaker B: All right. He's wearing his classic powder blue onesie. [00:15:01] Speaker C: Which as one does, we'd actually figure out of that we should sell them in the store of the spy museum. [00:15:07] Speaker B: So they do actually sell them, I think, on the 007 store. So if you want to bring them over from that, that'd be great. I have a similar one and I bought it. I think it's about five. No, must have been like six, seven years ago when the men's romper was becoming a thing. Right, right. It's not so much anymore. But it was a thing for, like, that one summer. It's like, all right, this is my chance, this is my time. I'm getting a powder blue romper. [00:15:35] Speaker A: And how did that work out for you? [00:15:37] Speaker B: I mean, I still wear it on, like, in summers and stuff when I'm at the beach. Yeah. Actually, Zach, when we did our beach trip, I wore it then. [00:15:44] Speaker A: That's right. That's right. I was trying to black out of my memory, but yes. [00:15:49] Speaker B: So he's in Miami. He's supposed to be spying on Goldfinger, who we meet for the first time, meets up with Felix Leiter, played this time by Keck Linder, not by Jack Lord of Hawaii. Five O Fame. [00:16:02] Speaker A: And he's quite old. [00:16:04] Speaker B: Yes, yes. Well, actually, if I recall, the actor for Felix and the actor for the guy who's playing Jim Rummy with were initially swapped, and I don't remember why that they ended up switching back. So he was. See, it seems like they were just going to make him older anyways. [00:16:21] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know if the Felix Trackers really are so concerned about that, but I did think it was kind of funny. [00:16:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Also, there's a shout out to Chris, AKA British Bond addict, who's who will be a future guest on the podcast. He let me know that in this scene, this is one of the scenes where you can actually really see his tattoo. [00:16:41] Speaker A: Oh, his U.S. navy tattoo? [00:16:42] Speaker B: His. No, well, not U.S. navy, but Royal Navy. His. It says Scotland forever, if I recall. So that's where, like, usually they have makeup covering up, but you can see a little smudge. And so this is where you can actually see it. [00:16:55] Speaker A: This is also very jumping. This is also the infamous. Where he takes the shot of the Beatles. [00:17:00] Speaker B: Yes. Actually, it's a slightly later, but yes, he does insult the Beatles. Listening to Beatles without earmuffs. Yeah, it's like. [00:17:09] Speaker A: It's so weird and like, you know, I like the Beatles as much as everybody else, but also it's like James Bond doesn't do pop culture. What's up with that? That's why the movies are so timeless. It's very true. [00:17:18] Speaker C: It's a good point. [00:17:19] Speaker B: Well, I mean, yes, but so are the Beatles. The Beatles are timeless now. [00:17:23] Speaker A: Yes, I know. Well, that's why it's even stranger. [00:17:25] Speaker B: When did one of the Beatles come on the Ed Sullivan show? That 65 or 64. [00:17:30] Speaker C: Earlier than that. [00:17:31] Speaker B: No, Darren actually may have been the same year. So this is probably what it's. You know, it's really just tying into that. [00:17:37] Speaker A: It's Too timely. [00:17:38] Speaker B: Yeah. But yeah, so we also get his first Bond, James Bond, same year. Okay. Yeah. We get Connery's first Bond, James Bond. And the music swells. It's really cool. Jill Masterson's in a bikini and spying on Goldfinger's game and helping him cheat. [00:17:56] Speaker A: Yeah. So I remember watching this as a kid and I was like, oh, man, that Goldfinger, he will cheat at something that doesn't even matter. But I like how it's a character reveal that shows he doesn't like to lose. [00:18:05] Speaker B: No, he does. [00:18:06] Speaker A: He wants what he wants now either. [00:18:09] Speaker B: You ever played gin rummy? [00:18:10] Speaker C: I have, yeah. [00:18:11] Speaker B: I learned a couple years ago, but it's been a bit. So I'm like. I had a better understanding of what was going on this time now. Oh, that's why he's wants all those cards. What? You know, why he's trying to make runs and all that stuff. Bond busts his cheating, lose all the money back to the other guy. [00:18:29] Speaker A: Yeah, he talks all this shit about Goldfinger too. He's like, listen here, Goldfinger, you son of a batch. Or something like that. [00:18:36] Speaker B: And we cut to. I love. This is such a well made film you have, you know, you show the radio and then, you know, the President is extremely satisfied. Click. But that makes two of us. And then he gets KO'd like from the back by Odd Job. [00:18:53] Speaker A: Right? [00:18:53] Speaker B: Yeah. We don't actually see Odd Job, but we see a silhouette. [00:18:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Boy, Goldfinger moves quickly. [00:18:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Wow. So does Bond. [00:19:02] Speaker A: That's right. [00:19:04] Speaker B: And then that's when he discovers Jill Masterson's body painted gold. The iconic image. [00:19:10] Speaker A: That's right. Which on IMDb it says that she dies due to skin suffocation. [00:19:15] Speaker B: Yes. [00:19:16] Speaker A: Which I guess they knocked her out first. I was always wondering how that worked. [00:19:19] Speaker B: Oh, I assume she got KO'd first and then they painted her and that's how she. She died. [00:19:23] Speaker A: When I was a kid, I assumed that he killed her first and then painted her. [00:19:26] Speaker B: Ah. [00:19:27] Speaker A: Not that it really matters so much. [00:19:28] Speaker B: So we go back to London where M is giving Bond a classic M dressing down. And you know, you were supposed to observe Mr. Goldfinger, not steal his girlfriend. Also, I just want to talk about. Let me bring it up here that, you know, Bond is very concerned if Jill slept with Goldfinger. [00:19:50] Speaker A: Yeah. He doesn't want Goldfinger sloppy seconds. Would you. [00:19:53] Speaker B: Oh, but it's just like it comes up here and then it comes up later too. I was like, oh, yeah, that's. He has no compunctions about such compunctions in the next film. But I guess what's his name, Milo Largo is much more glamorous than say, our Goldfinger is. [00:20:10] Speaker C: Yeah, I think he's one of the most underrated villains. [00:20:16] Speaker B: Goldfinger, Largo. I enjoy Largo a lot. Yeah. But yes. So he's told that he has to come for dinner with Smithers. Colonel Smithers at M's office, black tie, goes and gets a whole lecture about gold and how it's basically how the gold standard used to work. [00:20:36] Speaker C: This is when the gold standard was still a thing. I think Nixon jettisoned it in like 71 or something. [00:20:42] Speaker B: Oh, so it was not too long after this then. [00:20:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:20:45] Speaker A: Another timely reference for this movie. [00:20:47] Speaker B: Well, the gold standard had been in place for a long time before that, I recall. Yeah. [00:20:52] Speaker A: But good timing because it was on its way out. [00:20:55] Speaker B: I enjoy Bond analyzing the. The. Was it the brandy? Brandy, yes. [00:21:04] Speaker C: That's a great line. I think that's one of the best scenes in the movie. [00:21:08] Speaker B: I think it's was something fine and differently blended with an overdose of Bonbois. [00:21:15] Speaker A: He's a classy guy as well, as. Well as being violent. [00:21:19] Speaker C: Maybe I'm getting the movies or the scenes mixed up, but I feel like this is the one where Bond makes a sort of diagnosis about the brandy. And then M says, well, Brandy doesn't like, you know, you can't judge it like that. Am I mixing up with another movie? [00:21:39] Speaker B: It is Diamonds Are Forever, where he says, there's no year for Sherry. [00:21:43] Speaker C: Oh, that's right. Yeah, that's me mixing it up. [00:21:46] Speaker B: But it is basically the same scene. And we'll talk about that definitely when we get to diamonds. [00:21:51] Speaker A: But yeah, it's like a recurring theme spot. [00:21:54] Speaker B: It is. But yes, we also get. We get background on Goldfinger. We get some background on the Nazi gold that he has that they, that they're going to let him use as bait to lure Goldfinger. Because he's gold smuggling. That's. That's what the treasury thinks is the extent of his operations, is that they just want to get him on gold smuggling. [00:22:15] Speaker A: Yeah. James Bond hasn't quite elevated to saving the world all the time. [00:22:19] Speaker B: What? Yeah. [00:22:20] Speaker A: With this mission. [00:22:21] Speaker B: Well, yeah. So we next get our first Q's lab scene in the franchise. [00:22:26] Speaker A: Oh, really? He's the first one in the franchise? [00:22:28] Speaker B: Yep. So we had, you know, he. The other two, he came into Em's office to, you know, give him his equipment. But this is the first time we get the actual Q's lab and see all the Things gas dispensing, telephone booth, I think. [00:22:41] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right, yeah. [00:22:43] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. So, and we also get, of course, the classic, the most famous car in the world, The Aston Martin DB5 1964 in Silver Birch. [00:22:55] Speaker A: You can see it at the spy museum. You don't even need to pay for it. You can go and check it out. [00:22:59] Speaker B: For yourself, but you can come to the museum. Is that right track? Yeah. [00:23:02] Speaker A: But it's a nice bonus to get you in the door. [00:23:04] Speaker B: It is, yes, yes. And generally some of the gadgets go off every 20 minutes, which is fun to see always. [00:23:10] Speaker A: Yep, that's right. [00:23:12] Speaker B: Yeah. That is my dream car and I love that. I can see it very often, like, you know, other dream cars of mine. But, yeah, so obviously it's got the gadgets which talked about the rotating number plates. We talked about. Well, of course, the ejector seat, machine guns. Yeah. It's. It's just such a cool car. [00:23:32] Speaker A: I do appreciate that he uses all the gadgets later in the movie. [00:23:36] Speaker B: Yep, yep. Also, the other important gadget we are introduced here is the homing device, which is basically a 60s version of an airtag. [00:23:45] Speaker A: That's right. [00:23:47] Speaker C: Pretty much. [00:23:48] Speaker B: But, you know, back then, revolutionary. Yeah. From there we go to golf. Yeah. Yes. [00:23:54] Speaker A: The infamous golf scene where Odd Job is not a very good caddy. [00:23:57] Speaker B: No, no. [00:23:58] Speaker A: I mean, he can't give you advice. Who else is a caddy form? [00:24:02] Speaker B: So I know Zach. We've. Wow. We've done a bit of top golf. Andrew, do you golf at all? Being a proud Scott, you would think. [00:24:10] Speaker C: I do, but actually, I've never. I've never played it. I've played really, you know, pitching pot. [00:24:16] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:24:17] Speaker C: I've been a driving range a couple of times, but never played an actual proper game of golf. I would actually like to, but. Oh, I feel like it could go two ways. I feel like I would either really enjoy it or it would tap into my neurotic, perfectionist part of my personality and I would get very frustrated. [00:24:33] Speaker B: It could go either way. I have friends who have similar, you know, similar tendencies and. Yeah, it depends on the day. You know, they could be having a great time or it's like. And then just, you know, once you get into that mood, it's, like, hard to shake it out. But I play at golf. Let's see. I don't play golf. I play at golf. I do a couple of tournaments every year. Yeah. [00:24:53] Speaker A: I've played 18 holes before. I'm actually going to go play mini golf later today. [00:24:56] Speaker B: Oh, Fun, fun. Yeah. [00:24:57] Speaker A: So not just top golf, but, boy, is it demoralizing to hit the ball in like over one direction. You have to walk all the way over there. [00:25:03] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:25:04] Speaker A: I would rather just cheat like Goldfinger does and drop the ball wherever he feels like. [00:25:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Now, of course, this, this introduced Sean Connery to the game of golf, which became a lifelong love of his. So much so that I just finished my rewatch of his entire filmography. And there are a lot of films where he plays golf. [00:25:24] Speaker A: Well, sure, he's Scottish and he likes that. He probably has some influence over what he does in his movies. [00:25:28] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. What else more can we say about this scene which has been analyzed to death by many other people? We'll just talk, you know, briefly talk. You know, strict rules of golf, which I've never actually looked up. What the strict rules they're playing. There are many rules for golf, but five minutes for looking for a lost ball. I'm sure it's written down somewhere, but I've not read it myself. [00:25:49] Speaker A: I just love that James Bond is a rules lawyer. I would hate to play Dungeons and Dragons with him. [00:25:55] Speaker B: Yeah. He drops the gold ball bar to say, you know, when Goldfinger is asking, what's your business? And of course, the balls that Goldfinger uses are Schlesinger ones. And Bond uses a penfold hearts, which recently come out with, you know, not recently, a couple years ago came out with some James Bond branded penfold heart golf balls, which of course are the balls that I use when I go golfing. Since they find out that Goldfinger is cheating, Bond and his caddy Hawker do some cheating of their own. [00:26:27] Speaker A: Yeah, this is the way to beat a cheater. You beat them at their own game. [00:26:30] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:26:31] Speaker C: Briefly on the topic of Bond branded stuff, have you guys ever came across the Macallan, the whiskey company? They had a James Bond series. [00:26:40] Speaker B: What's that? It's Scotch. [00:26:43] Speaker C: It's a brand of Scotch called Macallan and they had a James Bond, like, collector series that came out. Yeah, they're worth like crazy money now, almost like multiple, multiple times what they were originally sold for. [00:26:57] Speaker B: And they were pretty pricey. [00:26:59] Speaker C: Yeah. And if you have the whole collection, it's probably going to be, I don't know, I'd be interested to quickly Google it, actually. [00:27:05] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, they've bought. I mean, that is part of how Bond makes its budget is all these branded items and, you know, promotional things. So it's, it's fun to see it here early on where it's not as much of a big thing. It's all right. You know, it's a throwaway line of a Penfold Hearts or Slazinger golf balls. [00:27:25] Speaker C: I've just quickly googled it. So you can get all six of them for $11,000. No, it's probably going to keep going up. Oh, I'm sure it's available for like 15,000, 13,000, etc. But I will just keep climbing and climbing. [00:27:42] Speaker B: Yeah. What's the age on those scotches? [00:27:44] Speaker C: I feel like they're probably going to be like over 12 for sure. I'm actually not sure. [00:27:49] Speaker B: Okay, interesting. I mean, I've had. I've done a Macallan whiskey tasting before. They used to bring this thing around D.C. once a year, pre Covid called the Macallan Manor, where you got to taste a bunch of different whiskies. But it was like a whole experience and it was a lot of fun. [00:28:05] Speaker C: I've done the same thing in New York. [00:28:07] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. [00:28:09] Speaker C: It was really cool. It's a good deal as well, right? [00:28:12] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Because it was free. [00:28:13] Speaker C: It was free. My kind of deal. [00:28:16] Speaker B: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Also get to see Goldfinger's Rolls Royce. [00:28:22] Speaker A: Yeah. He travels in style too. Just like James Bond. [00:28:24] Speaker B: Yeah. And so Bond, you know, what he does is he decides to stick the homer on the Rolls Royce so that he can follow wherever Goldfinger does going. And he taunts Goldfinger a little bit and in response he has oddjob show off his hat trick. [00:28:40] Speaker A: That's right. That's great. And I do appreciate that you get the idea of what the hat does, even though because it's made in the past, you can't see it in its full bloody glory. But you get the impression, yeah, he's. [00:28:52] Speaker C: Got to be one of the most memorable villains in the whole franchise for sure. [00:28:56] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. [00:28:57] Speaker C: I mean, I mean, Bon. Sorry. Jaws is definitely probably the number one, I would say. I don't know if you guys have a different opinion in terms of. [00:29:05] Speaker A: I like our job more. I like him more. [00:29:07] Speaker B: I would say. Yeah. Odd Job probably more. [00:29:09] Speaker C: I like our job more. I guess I just meant the one that most people might know of. But then again, maybe that's just the. Maybe that's a generational thing. [00:29:15] Speaker B: Maybe it could be that. [00:29:16] Speaker A: Yeah, I like with him. There's less is more. He doesn't talk. He's only in one movie. It leaves a lot to the imagination. [00:29:22] Speaker B: And he doesn't turn good in the end of his appearance either. Like Joe. [00:29:27] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right. [00:29:29] Speaker B: Bond trails Goldfinger as they leave. And there's one part where he stops in Switzerland and, you know, he's up on a higher ledge watching. Goldfinger hears a gunshot and panics because he thinks someone's trying to take a shot at him. [00:29:45] Speaker A: Rightfully so. [00:29:46] Speaker B: Yeah. And as he's also following, he sees a pretty girl in a car. Yeah. [00:29:52] Speaker A: This is the attempted assassination of Goldfinger. Right? [00:29:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:55] Speaker A: Again, another one. [00:29:56] Speaker B: And he's like, hmm, I could go after her. Or, no, I need to do my work. And I like the line discipline, 007. Discipline. [00:30:04] Speaker A: Yeah. Like all great fictional characters, James Bond talks to himself. [00:30:10] Speaker B: We find out the girl in the car is Tilly Masterson and she's trying to pass him. What motivates him to use the tire slasher? What, his gadget on his car, that. Why? Because he has it really, just to get. Try to get her into bed. [00:30:28] Speaker A: He has cool gadgets that we want to see them use. We want to see him use it. [00:30:32] Speaker B: I just have never actually thought about until this very moment. Like, okay, like, I was going through the plot in my head. Like, you know, he. Yeah, he's going. And there's no tactical reason for him to do that. He does. Unless he thinks she's an assassin or something, which he does have suspicions about her. Double blow. Actually, fun little aside story near my house, I actually saw someone get a double blowout. Oh, wow. Yeah. Both the front and back on the passenger side were flat. I saw that. I had them pull into our parking lot. And I got to say, the line, wow, double blowout. Never seen one of these before. Must be some sort of defect. He takes Tilly in his car, drives her over to, you know, a gas station, and on the way, he notices a case which he correctly assumes has a rifle in it, but she claims it for ice skates, which there'd be no ice at this time of year. Yeah. [00:31:33] Speaker A: Not to mention that it looks totally wrong as well. [00:31:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. And this is where we get some actual spying from Bond, where he has. He goes over to ARIC Industries, where he sees on his homer that Goldfinger is located. And he has to wait. And you see him, like, you know, he's in his suit from, you know, before for after golf, and he's sitting there just waiting. And then we see it infiltrated. Enough time has passed that he actually has changed into, you know, a black outfit later on. So he's actually. And it's like, overnight. So it's like, oh, this is, you know, because 90% of a spy Being a spy is actually waiting around. [00:32:10] Speaker A: That's right. [00:32:11] Speaker B: So I was like, oh, this is accuracy. Sure. I credit my wife Carolyn here, who, when we watch it, brought that up. [00:32:17] Speaker A: Yeah, good point. I would not have thought of that. [00:32:19] Speaker B: Yeah. So he goes to sneak into Goldfingers refinery and he sees that they're taking apart the Rolls Royce because panels of it have been replaced by gold. And so that's how he's actually smuggling the gold out of England to other places so that he can get a better value on them. And this is where we also see. So a lot of Chinese people in like identical jumpsuits around the facilities. Here's the phrase Operation Grand Slam mentioned. [00:32:50] Speaker A: Yes. It gets name dropped for the first time. [00:32:52] Speaker B: Yeah. He finds someone else hiding in the bushes and it turns out to be Tilly Soames, whose real name is Tilly Masterson, who's Jill's sister. [00:33:04] Speaker A: Are they twins? Is it the same actress? [00:33:06] Speaker B: No, two different actresses. One is Shirley Eaton and the other is Tanya Mallet, if I recall, if I got those names right. I'm not, I'm pretty sure. But don't fact check me. Bond fans. [00:33:19] Speaker C: Just briefly, I think that the, you know, you mentioned the Chinese people wearing identical uniforms. I always find these people in the Bond movies, like, quite fascinating. Like in Diamonds Are Forever, like all of the sort of people with the weird, really weird campy looking uniforms on who are on the oil rig and, you know, or complete numb skulls, they just like run into bullets and things like that. It's kind of. It's kind of an interesting thing in the Bond movies. [00:33:48] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I mean, we talked about it briefly in our coverage of Moonraker because there's a point where Drax, you know, he loses one henchman and he's on the phone with someone, some, you know, henchman supplier. It's like, oh, if you get Jaws, we'll get like, who is this supply? Where do they get all these people? [00:34:05] Speaker C: Dial a henchman. [00:34:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Dale Hitch. Yeah. Which I enjoyed. That was one of the things I enjoyed about no Time to Die is you had the return of like henchmen in, you know, multicolored jumpsuits. In classic James Bond. Yeah, it is. [00:34:19] Speaker A: And he guns them down, of course. [00:34:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:22] Speaker A: Actually in this episode, in this movie, there's not a lot of gunning down, which I appreciate. [00:34:26] Speaker B: Well, I'm going to bring it to another movie. We've covered Austin Powers. There was a brilliant part of Austin Powers. They got cut out of, I think, the US release, but it was still there. In the, like, European release where do you remember, there's the one henchman who's like, you know, there's the chase on the steamrollers and he's like, no. And he's like 10ft away and he gets crushed. [00:34:47] Speaker A: Yes, I do. Yes. [00:34:48] Speaker B: There's a cutaway after that where his, like, the henchman's wife gets a call and she's like, at home with the kids about how that, you know, his. Her husband has been, you know, crushed by a steamroller in working in Dr. Evil's lair. And it's just like, you know, an insight into who these people are as these henchmen. [00:35:09] Speaker C: Yes. It's not a really appealing job, is it? You know, go and, I don't know, live on a, like, oil rig, have no life. The workplace culture is pretty toxic. If you underperform, you could, like, be shot, thrown in a facet, eaten by a shark, Electrocuted. [00:35:30] Speaker B: Yep, yep. [00:35:31] Speaker C: I mean, I don't know. I mean, it would have to be really spectacular pay for me to be undressed. [00:35:35] Speaker B: That's probably it. That's probably. I mean, yeah. And it's probably under the table too, so you don't have to worry about taxes. [00:35:42] Speaker A: Yeah. I can only assume the pay is good. [00:35:45] Speaker B: Prevents Tilly from using her gun. He patches it on a tripwire, which causes them to get discovered. They have a nice chase, which is where we get to see more of the gadgets. We see the. The rear deflector screen. We get to see oil slick. We see smoke screen. Lots, Lots of great gadgets here. And it's. It's fun to see them. And like, you even see on Tilly's face that she's, like. When she sees it and she's. The season going on, she's starting to have fun, too. But unfortunately they drive up to the edge of a cliff where they can't escape. So Bond has, you know, get. Tries to give her some cover and, you know, know tells her, you know, all right, when I tell you, run to that thicket there. But unfortunately, she is killed by a job who has impeccable aim. [00:36:33] Speaker A: Of course he does. That's why he's so great. [00:36:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. And so that is, sadly, the end of Tilly Masterson. [00:36:39] Speaker A: Yeah. This is a lot of high body count for women. And as a movie. [00:36:43] Speaker B: Yeah. So Bond is captured and he, you know, one of the. One of the Chinese agents is put in his car, so to drive him along at gunpoint. Why would they have him drive his own car? [00:36:55] Speaker A: The mind kind of boggles yeah, especially because they established that Goldfinger. Oh, he's really smart. He's smarter than you think. Be careful. [00:37:02] Speaker B: Unless none of them can drive stick. [00:37:05] Speaker A: Ooh, maybe other millennials. [00:37:08] Speaker B: Zack, do you know how to drive stick? [00:37:10] Speaker A: Of course I do. [00:37:11] Speaker B: Really? A nice. [00:37:12] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I do. I used to have one. [00:37:14] Speaker B: Oh, nice. Oh, yeah. I need to learn. I have not. Andrew, I assume you do. [00:37:20] Speaker C: Yeah, pretty much most cars in Scotland and the UK are manual stick shift. [00:37:27] Speaker B: That's actually. [00:37:29] Speaker C: I actually much prefer the automatics in the States because I just. I like having one hand that I can keep completely free and just carry your. Hold your coffee on it. You know, it's a pain in the. In the butt to constantly like use the, you know, use the clutch to change gear and stuff. So I actually just really prefer the situation here, to be honest. [00:37:51] Speaker A: Well, also, it's very anxious when you're in like uphill. If you're like in traffic uphill, that's not fun. But I'd like to imagine just in case I'm running from ninjas. I'm ready. And the only car available is one with a stick shaft. [00:38:05] Speaker B: There you go. Well, it's also. It is a good car thief deterrent because if they can't drive your car, they can't get away with it. [00:38:13] Speaker C: That's why. [00:38:14] Speaker B: But my favorite part here is, you know, when they're making him drive back this elderly lady who's operating the gate, and when Bond decides he's going to try to attempt his escape, she brings out a machine gun, which is like that machine gun granny. That's just. It's just so funny. Yeah. [00:38:35] Speaker A: I mean, that's James Bond, right? [00:38:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:37] Speaker A: The wackiness is kept to a reasonable level now, but it will increase even during the Sean Connery era. [00:38:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, yeah. But then of course, we get the gadget that we all want to see. The ejector seat. See it work? [00:38:50] Speaker A: That's right. [00:38:51] Speaker B: So he ejects the passenger seat and then he escapes and is driving through a bunch of alleys behind what I assume was just filmed in like Pinewood Studios. Just that all their back alley studios there. No way out of this one alley. And he sees what looks like headlights ahead, that someone's playing chicken with him. This is where he uses the machine guns. Doesn't deter the car. He doesn't know what else to do. Pulls off into one of the walls and is knocked out. Yeah. [00:39:19] Speaker A: And gets caught again. [00:39:20] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. It was not another car. It was actually a mirror. [00:39:24] Speaker A: And anjob is very Pleased with himself in this part. [00:39:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:39:27] Speaker A: It's nice to have henchmen who take satisfaction in his work. [00:39:31] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I appreciate that, but, yeah. So next we get the classic laser interrogation. You know, do you expect me to talk? No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die. [00:39:39] Speaker A: Yeah, everybody's talking to death. But I think the important thing is that Goldfinger knows everything. [00:39:44] Speaker B: Mm. Bond is that he's 007. [00:39:47] Speaker A: He may make dumb decisions about putting Bond in a car and driving it, but he does know a thing or two. [00:39:52] Speaker B: Yeah. So to escape from being killed by the laser, Bond is trying to. Trying to figure out, all right, what's. How's my way out of this? Oh, Oh, I will make that. I know more. I know about your plan, even though I don't actually. But can you take that risk? Goldfinger. [00:40:08] Speaker A: That's right. [00:40:09] Speaker B: So he mentions Operation Grand Slam, which he heard, and Goldfinger decides, all right, well, we're not going to kill you. We're just going to shoot you with a tranq dart. [00:40:18] Speaker A: I know it's a trope in James Bond movies that they inexplicably keep James Bond alive for no reason. I like that. They do a decent job explaining it in this one, at least for a bit. [00:40:29] Speaker B: And they'll mention later on that, oh, we were wise to not kill him. And we'll get to that point when we do. But when Bond wakes up, he is greeted by Pussy Galore. I must be dreaming. [00:40:40] Speaker A: That's right. So why is her name that James Bond Experts. We have two of them here. [00:40:47] Speaker B: Well, it was in the original novel. There's no real good explanation. [00:40:51] Speaker A: It's just Ian Fleming's diseased mind, basically. [00:40:55] Speaker B: All right, but I like here. So he's told that they're going into the US she's immune to his charm. It's implied here, but out stated in the book. Because she's lesbian. [00:41:05] Speaker A: That's right. [00:41:06] Speaker B: Yeah, I like. Well, he also has his first. I. Well, it. Believe his first, you know, Shaken not stirred Martini of the film here. [00:41:13] Speaker A: That's right. And he's always asking about people's relationship status. He's asking about Jill, he's asking about Goldfinger. And now he asks PG about it. [00:41:21] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And he also asks. This is another, you know, one where he's like, she says she's Goldfinger's personal pilot. And just how personal is that? [00:41:32] Speaker A: That's kind of a personal question. [00:41:34] Speaker B: Well, he's. But I love her response. I'm a damn good pilot, period. [00:41:38] Speaker A: Well said. [00:41:39] Speaker B: But I also like, here that, you know, when he goes to change, he asks about his attach? Case, which you may remember from. From Russia with Love was the gadget of that film. So when they say it was damaged when inspecting, it's because he had the, you know, the gas canister sat on it and it exploded. [00:41:57] Speaker A: So it's literally the exact same case? [00:41:59] Speaker B: I assume so. [00:42:00] Speaker A: Are you kidding me? You wouldn't just give him a new one? [00:42:03] Speaker B: Well, not. I mean, okay, it's. It was supposed to be standard issue for the double O's. Right. So I assume that he just got another one after From Russia with Love. [00:42:12] Speaker A: I would assume that as well. Yes. [00:42:13] Speaker B: So. But then maybe after, like, all right, you get two and then we're not giving you a third one, he changes from his, you know, all black outfit into the classic gray three piece suit. Looking real sharp. [00:42:26] Speaker A: Yep, that's right. [00:42:26] Speaker C: Really sharp. [00:42:27] Speaker B: Yeah. There's a reason why I have a gray 3 pre suit and that is it put into a cell. And I love how he tricks the guard into getting out. He's basically doing Spy versus Spy. No, what he's doing is he's doing the, you know, oh, I'm behind a couch, I'm doing an elevator. I'm doing an escalator. [00:42:47] Speaker A: Speaking of Austin Powers, right? [00:42:49] Speaker B: Yeah, he Batmans and like, is hiding on the ceiling and like does, you know, drops down and knocks out the guy. And this is where we also get the hoods convention. [00:43:00] Speaker C: I love this part. [00:43:02] Speaker B: And so he. Yeah, he has all the mobsters who were bringing in various, you know, supplies for him. Whether it was, you know, parts for the bomb or. I forget what, the other things. But they all made deliveries for Goldfinger for $1 million each. But of course, they could either have that 1 million now or 10 million tomorrow. [00:43:19] Speaker A: It's like the marshmallow test. [00:43:21] Speaker B: Yeah, but I love the one gangster who's like, banks don't open on Sundays. [00:43:27] Speaker A: Foiled by that, of course. And of course this is. We're going to see it a bunch of times, right? Where the villain has a bunch of henchmen and then they either go along the plan or they get killed. Yeah, classic for a reason. [00:43:39] Speaker B: Except in this case, they just get killed anyways. [00:43:45] Speaker A: That's right. [00:43:45] Speaker B: Like he. Well, he. The one who doesn't go along with it, you know, is allowed to leave with his 1 million. As Goldfinger is dealing with him, all the rest of the gangsters get knocked out by the Delta 9 nerve gas which Goldfinger talks about in the presentation. It begs the question of why make the presentation if you're going to kill them anyways. [00:44:04] Speaker A: To explain to the audience, of course. [00:44:06] Speaker B: I know, I know, I know. That's the reason. But in universe, why? [00:44:10] Speaker A: I think he just likes the attention. [00:44:12] Speaker B: I think he does. And actually because Bond, you know, when he escaped, managed to get underneath the model of Fort Knox, which I love. You get the zoom in. You can see Bond's eye just like peering out from some of the windows. Because, you know, that model is made to such a degree of detail that even the windows are transparent. [00:44:28] Speaker A: That's right. [00:44:28] Speaker B: But afterwards, when Bond says, I enjoyed the presentation and Goldfish says, so did I. So, yeah, I think it is really because he loves the sound of his own voice. [00:44:37] Speaker A: That's right. [00:44:37] Speaker C: The only explanation. [00:44:39] Speaker B: But yeah. So Bond, as he's, you know, spying on the presentation, gets caught by Pussy Galore and is brought to Goldfinger as he's dealing with the one gangster, Mr. Solo, who didn't want to go along with the plan. Bond sneaks the homer that was in the, you know, the heel of his shoe out onto Mr. Solo with a note about Operation Grand Slam. And he's hoping that it's all, you know, it'll work out that all right, he'll get. Felix will notice that he's moving and see and find the message and then they can put all stop to all of it. Unfortunately, Oddjob has other plans for Mr. Solo and brings him to a car crusher, which begs another question, which is a really cool scene, but he's already killed Mr. Solo. Why does he need to crush him? [00:45:24] Speaker A: Because it's dramatic and also James Bond movie. [00:45:27] Speaker B: Come on. A better question. When he comes back, the Goldfinger says he needs to extract his gold from the remains of Mr. Solo. Why not take the gold? He's already dead. Take the gold out first. [00:45:37] Speaker A: He's got gold to spare. [00:45:40] Speaker B: Felix and his fellow agent C. Bond is on the move. So they go look for him and when they see that the signal has died there. All right, let's go back to Goldfingers ranch, which we, I don't have explicitly stated is in Kentucky. [00:45:54] Speaker A: Yeah, we had some banjo music to really set the scene, which I appreciate. And guys, do you think this is James Bond least exotic locale that he ever visits is Kentucky? [00:46:06] Speaker B: Depends. Do you think Kentucky is more or less exotic than Louisiana? [00:46:11] Speaker A: That's a good point. They're probably about the same. [00:46:14] Speaker B: No disrespect to Louisiana, because I love New Orleans. So, you know, New Orleans is. [00:46:20] Speaker C: New Orleans is glamorous. [00:46:22] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Yeah. It is interesting that for a movie that is, like, the most famous, he goes to where he goes to. It's mostly set in the U.S. other. [00:46:35] Speaker A: Than Switzerland, and it's not so exotic locales so much. At least not compared to some of the other ones. [00:46:41] Speaker B: Fair point, Zach. So they go back to Goldfinger's ranch and gold. One of Goldfinger's men spots them, like you, spying on. They are not very, very subtle about this. [00:46:53] Speaker A: No. Spy versus Spy. [00:46:55] Speaker B: Yeah. So they decide, all right, this is where, you know, he said, oh, maybe we're right to spare Mr. Bond, because otherwise his friends would be, like, trying to swarm in and get in on what, you know, stop everything we're doing. So let's convince them that he's not there under duress. So, Pussy, why don't you go put on a more revealing outfit and walk around with Mr. With Mr. Bond. [00:47:17] Speaker A: Yep. [00:47:18] Speaker B: Some mint juleps, which I love a good mint julep. I did have some last time I. Where was. When I was in Louisville in Kentucky. I was like, all right, gotta have a mint julep. Yeah. [00:47:28] Speaker A: Another James Bond trope. [00:47:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:30] Speaker A: People forget about the drinking, but that's definitely part of it. [00:47:32] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It is more than just, you know, shaken, not stirred martinis. He has a variety of drinks throughout this entire series. [00:47:40] Speaker A: Don't forget the red stripe. [00:47:42] Speaker B: Yes. And the red stripe. Well, this is where Goldfinger. Well, he doesn't so much reveal the plot as Bond is like, okay, your plot is insane. You would need 12 or 200 men would need 12 days to extract all the gold. And Goldfinger just lets him follow the train of thought. All right, who said anything about stealing it? Oh, you don't plan to steal it? And he realizes that he remembers that one of the Chinese agents at the facility was a nuclear fission expert. So they have a bomb. [00:48:11] Speaker A: This is a twist. I don't remember this part. Especially not the Chinese Cold war angle. [00:48:15] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, this one's pretty standalone in terms of, like, all the other ones have something to do with Spectre, but this is the one where SPECTRE is not involved, but there is still that Cold war angle. And so, yeah, so the rated gold, which she. I think he said would be rated for 57 years, which would have been about three years ago. [00:48:33] Speaker A: I wouldn't know if we're gonna get into this as five fact versus fiction, but do you guys think this plan would actually work? [00:48:37] Speaker B: Well, which part of it. Which part of it? [00:48:40] Speaker A: Crashing the economy by. Well, yeah. I mean, I'M sure he can radiate the gold. But, like, would it actually have any effect? [00:48:47] Speaker B: Not today, because we're not on the gold standard. I mean, it's still affect in some way, but we're not on the gold standard anymore. [00:48:54] Speaker C: Yeah, I would. I would imagine that, you know, just if you think about it, it's obviously a question we can't run on a laboratory experiment on. But if the economy's. If the dollar is tied to the gold standard and the US Is like, reserves of gold are all like, kaput for 57 years. Like, I mean, I guess an economist could do a theoretical paper on this. But it would seem to me that it would have an effect, right? [00:49:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I think so. [00:49:22] Speaker C: I mean, just in the laws of supply and demand. Because Goldfinger does it so that the gold that he has is going to be worth more. So just off the laws of supply and demand, you would think that he was onto something. [00:49:33] Speaker A: I'm sure it would have in that effect. But just a question about how much will it. What we're supposed to. I don't know. [00:49:39] Speaker B: And then we get probably one of the other, you know, most misogynistic scenes in the series. [00:49:46] Speaker A: Most infamous scenes. That too, in all the James Bond. Yeah. [00:49:50] Speaker B: Where Bond turns Pussy galore with force. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:49:55] Speaker A: I don't feel like we need to say too much more about that Other. [00:49:57] Speaker B: Than what I look at. So in my rewatch of all of connery's films, I came off across the film shallow, where honor blackman is also in the film who played Pussy galore. And there is a scene where she's forcibly kissed in a barn. Not by Sean Connery, though. [00:50:16] Speaker A: No. [00:50:17] Speaker B: So, you know, if I had a nickel for every time Honor blackman was forcibly kissed in a barn in a Sean Connery film, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice. [00:50:26] Speaker A: Well, I mean, this is back in the day, right? [00:50:29] Speaker B: I think 71 or 72 is when Shalako came out. Yeah. Really? She's getting forced. Being forcibly kissed in a barn again. [00:50:36] Speaker A: In a barn. [00:50:38] Speaker B: In a barn, too. That was the thing that got me. It's like, all right, you know, okay, forcibly kiss. It's terrible. But it happened in films that, you know, back then, the fact that it was in a barn and it was another shot copy films, like, just ridiculous. We see, you know, the rehearsal of operation grand slam with pussy's pilots flying the planes. Her all, you know, female pilot team, which I think they called pussy Galore's Flying Circus. [00:51:02] Speaker A: That's right. Like Monty Python. [00:51:03] Speaker B: Yep. But we see the actual carrying out of it. We see. It's called Operation Rock a Bye, Baby. The army and everyone around Fort Knox gets knocked out by the Delta 9 nerve gas. [00:51:17] Speaker C: I love the way that people fall down as well if you watch it. [00:51:21] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:51:22] Speaker A: This was very Batman. It reminded me a lot of Batman, 1966. [00:51:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:27] Speaker A: And not in a good way, I might add. [00:51:31] Speaker B: Amongst the people also, like Felix and his partner are there too knocked out. [00:51:35] Speaker A: It is a little scary that if they didn't switch the gas, which, by the way, I still don't know how that worked. Oh, wait, no, I remember. It's because that I almost said Batman. James Bond convinced PG to switch sides. [00:51:48] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. That is the reasoning given for that scene. [00:51:53] Speaker A: Right. Because it's scary because other you think at the time that everyone's dying. So it's like mass murder on screen. Like hundreds of people. [00:52:00] Speaker B: Thanks. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, so Goldfinger's troops move in. They use the laser on the vault to get that open. They blow open the gate with dynamite. And Odd Job and Bond are placed in the vault with the bomb. [00:52:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Just where Goldfinger wants him to be for some inexplicable reason. Well, I guess it makes sense that he's overconfident though, right? Because he is a megalomaniac. [00:52:23] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. But of course, the soldiers, once they see that all of the troops have moved in, they all wake up because apparently Pussy notified the army and switched the canisters. And so we see a big battle between the U.S. army and Goldfinger's troops. [00:52:39] Speaker A: Most of whom are Chinese. Right. This was cool. I do. Like, it's like in the Man From UNCLE remake, it ends with a big gun battle. [00:52:47] Speaker B: Yep, yep. Yeah. And I also enjoy that Goldfinger had planned for this contingency because he pulls off his trench coat and he's wearing like a U.S. army uniform. [00:52:57] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right. Well, so he can blend in, you can try to escape. [00:53:00] Speaker B: Yep, yep. But, yeah, so we get Odd Job and Bond's fight, which is a really tense, really well done scene. I really enjoy it. [00:53:08] Speaker C: I see. [00:53:09] Speaker B: Yeah. The way they frame it too. Like, I mean, first of all, this was filmed on a set. This wasn't filmed in the actual Fort Knox. They were able to use exteriors for Fort Knox, but they couldn't film inside because of security reasons. So Ken Adams got to design what he thought the inside of Fort Knox would look like. And so it's beautifully done with all piles and piles of gold bars. Just like in the fight between Bond and Red Gran. And from Usual Love, you really get to see Bond sweat. Here you can see he is, you. [00:53:36] Speaker A: Know, more than on the table. [00:53:37] Speaker B: You think that too. I was there as well. But, like, here it's like you see the panic in him that he might not be able to escape a job. [00:53:47] Speaker A: You know, I think in this movie we see James Bond at his most vulnerable. Like in most of the other movies, he seems pretty unflappable. No matter what crazy situation he's in, you always feel like he can handle it. But the table scene and this one, not so much. [00:54:01] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So he tricks, odds up, he, like, gets the hat, throws it, misses by a mile. But when Oddjob goes to retrieve it, he grabs one of the cables that had been jostled loose from their fight and electrocutes Oddjob. [00:54:16] Speaker A: Yep. Sorry, buddy, we hardly knew you. It was a good fight, though. [00:54:20] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:54:21] Speaker A: He just had to go back for the hat, didn't he? [00:54:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. So Bond trying to disarm the bomb. He has no idea how to. And, like, is about to, like, pull a bunch of wires. I think it's Felix. Felix's partner comes in and, like, just says, oh, there's an off switch right here. [00:54:35] Speaker A: This was funny, too, this kind of. This movie. I'm sure we talked about this before, that it's kind of like Rage of the Lost Ark, where James Bond doesn't do that much to change the outcome, but he does do enough. That totally works. [00:54:47] Speaker B: Yeah. But also, here's the line. I don't know if you noticed it, zach, but stops at 007 seconds. Right. But Bond says three more ticks and Mr. Goldfinger would have hit the jackpot. Because originally it was going to stop at 003. The producers, yeah, they were like, no, let's have it stop at 007. [00:55:08] Speaker A: But then they didn't change the line. [00:55:10] Speaker B: No. [00:55:10] Speaker A: So it doesn't make any sense. [00:55:11] Speaker B: No. [00:55:12] Speaker A: Yeah, that's pretty funny. I did not notice that Goldfinger has. [00:55:16] Speaker B: Escaped, but they figure, okay, we'll catch him. But for right now, Bond, you have a plane to catch to see the President, and is told that there will be drinks for three. And they say, who are the other two men? There are no other two. Uh, oh, Meaning he gets here, he has enough drinks for three people. Just. That's just how Bond likes it. [00:55:36] Speaker A: Yeah. So Goldfinger pops out and they get into a fight. But this is what I was referencing in the haiku, the mystery henchmen. You see him up front. It's just like a guy standing there. It's very. [00:55:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I have not. I've never noticed that he doesn't come. [00:55:49] Speaker A: Out to help his boss. No, it's not someone else. Yeah, it's someone else. [00:55:55] Speaker B: Really? I have to go watch that. Okay. But, yeah, so injury's not. [00:55:59] Speaker A: Andrew. Do you know what I'm talking about? [00:56:03] Speaker B: Huh? [00:56:03] Speaker C: Wow. [00:56:04] Speaker B: I've never noticed that. But, yeah, so. But yeah, obviously, the plane got hijacked by Goldfinger. They know. Felix and his men discover the bodies of the pilots all tied up. But then we get a call back to the explosive decompression statement from earlier. Bond is able to get Goldfinger to fire the gun, which causes him to get sucked out and the plane to lose pressurization and starts going down. And here's the interesting. We see Pussy Galore trying to pull up the plane, but we don't actually see them, probably because of budgetary reasons, you know, jump out of the plane. We just see sort of a dot on a screen with another dot coming out as the parachute. [00:56:43] Speaker A: Yeah, I can take it. Do you feel like the scene was added because they forgot that they wanted to catch Goldfinger? [00:56:49] Speaker B: No, no. It is in the novelization. Or in the original novel, rather not the novelization, because the novel came first. And this is just like your classic James Bond, especially your Sean Connery James Bond. They end next to a body of water. Not in a. Not in a raft, not in a boat, but next to a body of water under the parachute. [00:57:09] Speaker A: I'll take it. I will totally take it. And that's the end of the movie. [00:57:14] Speaker B: Yeah. Spy fact versus spy fiction. [00:57:21] Speaker A: All right, so now it is time for our spy fact versus fiction. Andrew, as our guest, would you like to go first? [00:57:26] Speaker C: Can one of you guys go first just while I think about something? [00:57:29] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, sure. Zach, you want to go then? [00:57:30] Speaker C: Sorry. [00:57:30] Speaker A: So I have only a brief thing. So there's a part where he throws the gold brick down. [00:57:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:36] Speaker A: There's a throwaway line where he says something like, we got it from Lake Toplitz. Or Toplitzy, I think so Wikipedia for Lake Toplitz. It's a lake in Austria, and in 43 and 44, it served as a Nazi naval testing station. And in 1959, investigators recovered 700 million pounds of counterfeit notes from the lake, which Hitler had planned to use to sabotage Britain's economy. So it's like the movie copied the real life plan. There was speculation that there might be Other valuables to be recovered from the bottom of the top. Let's see. But nothing about gold. And also for some, behind the scenes for the movie. And this is from a blog I read a million years ago. I don't remember the name of the blog, so I'm sorry, I can't give credit to it, but one of the behind the scenes things was Gert Frobe, the actor who played Ora Goldfinger, couldn't speak English when he joined the production. So he walked on the set and he said, hello, I'm very glad to meet you. It's nice to be here. And they were like, okay, thanks, Gert. You can head over there. And he said, hello, it's very nice to meet you. I'm very glad to be here. Because that was the only English that you spoke? [00:58:42] Speaker B: Yep. So he is dubbed in the entire film? Yes, that's right. Yeah. [00:58:46] Speaker A: I think they tried to make him learn the lines phonetically, but it didn't sound good. So he dubbed. They dubbed him, yeah. [00:58:51] Speaker B: Actually, the only place where you can hear his undubbed audio is in one of the trailers for Goldfinger, where he's. And think in the trailer when he says, no, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die. That's actually his speaking voice. [00:59:06] Speaker A: So it's a phonetic line. [00:59:07] Speaker C: Oh, really? [00:59:08] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:59:08] Speaker A: Okay, nice. And that's all I have. [00:59:11] Speaker C: The Operation Bernhardt. So that's the counterfeiting money operation by the Nazis. We covered that story in the International Spy Museum. [00:59:22] Speaker B: Really? [00:59:22] Speaker C: Yeah. The very end of the first floor, the fifth floor. You get to the very end. There's a section on that operation. [00:59:30] Speaker B: Huh? [00:59:31] Speaker A: Only the operations section. Yeah. I haven't explored that in detail. I never get a sign there for my voluntary. [00:59:36] Speaker B: What's in that? Is it where. I'm trying to think now where it is. [00:59:38] Speaker C: It's just after the lock. The Lockhart plot. [00:59:41] Speaker B: Okay, all right, well, I will. I'll be there tomorrow, so I'll go take a look at it. [00:59:47] Speaker C: What I want to know is using the car, like, instead of having steel or metal, and the car to have gold, is that. Is that possible? Is gold strong enough to, like, hold the car together? [01:00:02] Speaker B: That's a good question. [01:00:04] Speaker C: Part of it was the original metal, but then, like, 50% of it would be changed to gold, I think. Gold is not. It's not. It's not very strong in and of itself. If you make it an alloy, it's stronger, but I don't think it's anywhere near as strong as, like, steel. [01:00:21] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it's Definitely not. [01:00:22] Speaker B: They actually go a bit into detail of that in the novel, in the original novel, because I think it is not the entire car. It is specific panels of it. But the way they got around it is they said that it was a car that had been armored. Basically, it already had armored attachments. [01:00:39] Speaker C: Oh, God. [01:00:40] Speaker B: And that's why it weighed more. [01:00:41] Speaker C: Anyways, so they use the armored parts, but instead of making it extra thick for protection purposes, you just use gold. Yeah. I've not read the novel for a few years. [01:00:52] Speaker B: Yeah. All right. Well, what I have actually, so I finished it relatively recently to reread for the podcast. So there's a number of differences from the novel and the book. So in that we're only told about the mission that Bond's on, you know, about in Mexico. We're not shown it. We're just sort of like it's. We hear or read about it as he's sort of reflecting on it in the airport bar. [01:01:17] Speaker A: Okay. [01:01:18] Speaker B: And then his first encounter when he goes to Miami is actually more as a coincidence. He's actually approached by someone who'd been playing who was at. Who met him during Casino Royale, who was around. Around the table with Lachiffe. And he's the one who's actually been cheated by Goldfinger. He remembers Bond from that thing and knew that he was good at cards. Like, can you help me find out what. How he's cheating? And so that's what's. [01:01:43] Speaker A: So it's not just some random guy. [01:01:45] Speaker B: It's not just some random guy who's being taken to the cleaners. Yeah, but it is entirely unrelated to the rest of the movie. It just so happens that that happens. And then later on when he meets Am and given his mission by M. Oh, well, actually already have met him. Goldfinger is in the book, is not connected to China as in the film, but is instead connected with Smersh or otherwise known as Spionum, and is its treasurer. And rather than Chinese agents working with Goldfinger in the film, actually, all of his workers are Korean. In the golf game, it's the caddy who initiates a switch with the balls, rather, and tells gold or bolt Bond about it after the fact that he did that. So in the film, they change it. So it's more of Bond who takes the initiative, which. Yeah, yeah, I can see that the Aston in the book is not a DB5, because that had not come out. It was a DB Mark 3. And the gadgets were that. It had reinforced bumpers. It had the homing device and it had headlamps that could change color and shape so that if it's a, you know, chase at night, you know, he could turn off and then turn on and it would look at night. It would look like it's a different car just because of the headlights. [01:02:48] Speaker A: Oh, that's smart. [01:02:50] Speaker B: Yeah. And then rather than a laser, a saw is used in the iconic scene. [01:02:56] Speaker A: Okay, that's scarier. [01:02:58] Speaker B: It's like a horror movie or like a Looney Tunes, you know, Wile E. Coyote kind of thing. [01:03:03] Speaker A: Oh, that's true. That's like dumb. It's a good point. I like the laser better. [01:03:07] Speaker C: Me too. [01:03:07] Speaker B: Yeah. Tilly Masterton is not killed until much later in the film during the Fort Knox raid. So she's around the entire time and she's getting closer to pussy. Now, Goldfinger actually doesn't know that MI6 bond is from MI6. He thinks that Bond is a disaffected mercenary and uses him as a secretary for the Keeper, like after he gets captured. [01:03:32] Speaker A: Okay. [01:03:33] Speaker B: Rather than just being, you know, locked up in a cell the entire time he is given tasks, he has to make the agenda for the meeting of the, you know, all the gangsters and that sort of stuff. But, you know, I do. [01:03:44] Speaker A: That kind of makes. Well, you're screwed either way, right? Because on the one hand, it doesn't make any sense that Goldfinger keeps someone who's clearly out to like destroy him so close. But on the other hand, he's like, dumb for letting someone, you know it's stupid either way. [01:03:59] Speaker C: It's also super problematic having a written record for a criminal conspiracy. [01:04:06] Speaker A: Like from the Wire. [01:04:07] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. But interestingly, I read, I saw these. I think it was in like, may have been. The Ian Fleming foundation has a Facebook group and I, I'm in it and I feel I saw it there or somewhere else on in online pages from this Goldfinger script, like Connery's copy, which had notes, and some of the notes included that he thought Bond should be pretending to go undercover for instead of being captured all the time. Actually, I have no idea if Connery ever read the original novel. So I'm not sure if like he took that from there or if he's like came up with that on his own, but he just didn't like that he was so passive in the film. [01:04:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Yes. It's like Indiana Jones. [01:04:47] Speaker B: Like I mentioned, Pussy Galore is not a pilot in the novel, but he is instead a. The leader. Or she is. Sorry, she is instead the leader of an all girl mob called the cement mixers. And her lesbianism is much more defined. All of. Yeah, all of the girls in the mob are also lesbian. [01:05:04] Speaker A: Like, the cement mixer sounds like a crappy band from, like, the Motown era. [01:05:10] Speaker B: And also, he doesn't kill all of the gangsters because he needs them to carry out the plan because he doesn't have the Chinese agents. [01:05:16] Speaker A: That makes a little bit more sense too. [01:05:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Also, instead of irradiating the gold, Goldfinger's plan is simply to steal the gold. The atomic bomb will be used to blow open the gates, destruction and all that, but Goldfinger and the gangsters will all split the gold. So, you know, he would come away with some portion of it, but. And he would use it to fund further smirch operations. Yeah. In the end, Goldfinger captures Bond while Bond is waiting for his flight and is told he needs to get an inoculation for a viral outbreak. But instead of being. He gets injected with some sort of thing, something that knocks him out, and he finally. This is where he finds out who Bond is. After he's reported back to SMERSH what's happened. And they recognized his names from previous, you know, adventures that Bond had. But those are the big differences between the novel and the book. I think the novel and the movie. I think the movie did a real good job of taking those things and forming to something very similar, but with a twist, which I liked. Now, the characters of Goldfinger, Pussy Galore at ODJOB have also appear in the video games GoldenEye, Rogue Agent and 007 Legends. I did replay 007 Legends. It's the first level of the. Of the game where you get. Now, 007 legends we've talked about before came out around the time of Skyfall, so it was a, you know, a celebration of a series. And you had placed Daniel Craig into other Bond films with all other Bond actors. So for you gave, there was one for Connery, one for Lazen. Well, only one for Lazen because he only had one film, one for Moore, one for Dalton and one for Pierce Brosnan. So the one they put him in for Connery as Goldfinger, it's a kind of. It's a weird disconnect because it's someone who, like, it's got Craig's likeness, someone who's doing a Craig impression for the voice. But you get to see him infiltrate ARIC Enterprises. You get the laser scene, you get Fort Knox, you get the odd job fight, and then you get the plane to D.C. and the Goldfinger fight. But like, the. When they're infiltrating Fort Knox. You're part of the battle between the army and Goldfinger video game. [01:07:25] Speaker A: Did they use all the same actors? Like, reuse clips from the movie? [01:07:29] Speaker B: Well, it was, It's. Well, there were no cutscenes, but it was all like, you know, it was all graphics. So you had the likeness. Everyone else besides Bond is the likeness of, like, Gert Frobe or Shirley Eaton or Otter Black Harold Cicada for Go for Odd Job. So, yeah, it's, It's. It's a fun game. I think the first level of the game is pretty fun. It's just. It gets very repetitive because it's the exact sort of same thing. You're going in, you're infiltrating the like for every level of. For each movie is it. You have to go and you have to go infiltrate their office, find out what's going on, and then you have a big battle. And. Yeah, so it's, it's fun for what it is, but it could have been much better. And in GoldenEye, rogue agent, you play it like a disgraced formal double O who's now working for Goldfinger. And there's a gang war between Dr. No and Goldfinger. It's a really fun premise. And you're quickly replacing Oddjob as Goldfinger's number two. So there's a rivalry between the two of you. And Pussy Galore is like, your ally. But of course, Goldfinger eventually betrays you, so you have to fight against him and oddjob. Okay, now, Oddjab also appeared in the 1998 game James Bond 007 for the Game Boy and in multiplayer maps for Goldeneye Night Fire and Goldeneye Reloaded. Goldfinger and Oddjob also appear in James Bond Jr. The cartoon somehow Alive Again. Yeah, most of the villains, like, yeah, Somehow alive again also Dr. No. Somehow alive Again. Oddjob is dressed in a various 90s style with a purple jumpsuit and a gold chain that says O.J. [01:09:02] Speaker A: Wow. That's unfortunate. [01:09:03] Speaker B: But he still has the top hat. But he has, like, these, like, sunglasses too. So. Yes, unfortunate for the OJ Thing. [01:09:09] Speaker A: Yes, that is unfortunate. [01:09:10] Speaker B: Also in the series, Goldfinger has a daughter named Finger. [01:09:15] Speaker A: Wow. [01:09:16] Speaker B: They also appear in an excellent comic called James Bond 007, which came out a couple years ago. Written by Gred Paak and illustrated by Mark Laming, Robert Carey and Stephen Mooney. It's really good. I would highly recommend reading it. [01:09:28] Speaker A: Is it a new story? [01:09:29] Speaker B: It's a new story. It actually is a, like a Next generation. In this iteration, Odd Job is like a title that is passed down to, like, the top agents in the Korean intelligence forces. [01:09:41] Speaker A: Okay. [01:09:42] Speaker B: So you get a glimpse of, like, the Harold Cicada, Goldfinger, or Ajab, but then you get a much more modern, newer, whose name is John Lee, who is like a rival agent to Bond, and he is very charismatic, and it's a lot of fun. So I highly recommend that I could. [01:09:58] Speaker C: See a really good game. You know, like, you get. You used to get those games where you would proceed on a level, and then when you got to the end of the level, you would. You would face, like, a big, bad body. Yeah, I can almost see like a girls. Almost see, like, a multilevel one of them, where at the end of each level, you face, like, a Bond villain. And they have some kind of hierarchy where, you know, the Bond villains get more and more difficult. You know, you start off with one that's sort of easier, then you sort of progress and you're up against. And then eventually when you go up there, you're up against, like, Odd Job and Jaws. [01:10:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:33] Speaker C: You know those types of people. Dr. No, I think is pretty. Pretty badass. [01:10:37] Speaker B: Mm. Yeah. That's what I liked about. I mean, the two games that. The video games that I talked about and played through a bit are not well regarded because of the gameplay and mechanics, but I think the story and ideas are really interesting. Like, all right, having it, you know, a gang war between Goldfinger and Dr. No just seems like a really cool idea. [01:10:56] Speaker A: Well, there's a reason why they make those IP games for the fans. [01:10:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Let's see. Pussy Galore also makes an appearance reappearance in the novel Trigger Mortis, written by Anthony Horace, which set right after Goldfinger. But I've got some interesting stuff. So I rewatched a bunch of episodes of mythbusters where they cover a bunch of myths from Goldfinger. Specifically, they. They have done the death by full baity body painting, which got busted twice. One time, they didn't think they measured the temperature correctly. Explosive decompression with a gunshot in from an air plane. Busted. Fully pressurized the plane for the pressure differential between inside and outside, and shot a gun on the ground, but right. There was no explosion. Tuxedo under a wetsuit. Confirmed. Actually worked like they had Jamie Heinemann with a tuxedo underneath the wetsuit. Had him actually dive and swim to a boat where Adam Savage was there in another tuxedo and then had him take it off. Looked perfect underneath. Great spy Car gadgets. So they actually have done. In various different parts. They've done basically most of the gadgets in The Aston Martin DB5 car. Seat ejector confirmed. It could be done like they. And they did it and they got it to work and you know, it was mostly not. You couldn't tell that it was there, but it busted. Apparently what would happen is they would just sort of. The road tax would actually just know. They would make a hole but they get stuck in and then would. The car could keep driving after that screen was confirmed. Except it would also fog up. If you had a convertible, it would also fog up you as well. Oil slick was plausible. I think it could. It could work. You'd have to really be, you know, use it wisely. Tire slasher confirmed. Machine guns also confirmed. [01:12:43] Speaker A: Great. [01:12:43] Speaker B: Odd job hat, you know, being able to actually throw a steel rimmed hat was busted because it just wouldn't be. What they did is they tested on the theory that, you know. Or the scene where they had the marble statue and they had one, they actually tried to throw it themselves and then two, that and they. It wouldn't work. And so it just was not. It couldn't be thrown fast enough on the steel rim was not sharp enough to actually decapitate the stat. An actual solid marble statue. [01:13:15] Speaker C: No. [01:13:16] Speaker A: I'm not surprised you're that. [01:13:17] Speaker B: Yeah. I also did read the book Super Spy Science by Catherine Harkup, which I believe is on sale in the Spy Museum bookstore. They had a number of things. Like they talked about the Goldfinger laser. You actually wouldn't be able to see the laser unless there was a very, very cloudy room where Bon was being tortured. They talk about how the weight of the DB5, all the gadgets in there, would actually prevent it from driving if they were fully functional. [01:13:47] Speaker A: That makes sense, actually. [01:13:48] Speaker B: Yeah. Which you didn't really think about. And then they talk about how. Yes, that it would actually. The bomb that dirty would irradiate it and would work. But also the effects of the blast alone would be significant. The heat generated would easily vaporize all the gold within Fort Knox and would condense them on the interior walls, floor, ceiling, assuming the whole facility isn't destroyed on the blast. And then lastly, I've got something about Erno Goldfinger, who was an architect. British Hungary. Hungarian born. British architect and designer furniture. He moved to the UK in the 1930s and became a key member of the modernist movement. Now he was known as a real person. He's a real person. Erno Goldfinger, he was known As a humorless man who was given to notorious rages, he sometimes fired their assistants if they were inappropriately jocular and forcibly ejected two prospective clients for imposing restrictions on his design. Now this is all from Wikipedia. Now on a discussion on a golf course with Erno about Erno with Goldfinger's cousin prompted Ian Fleming to name the James Bond adversary and villain arc Goldfinger. After Erno Fleming had been among the objectors to the pre war demolition of cottages in Hampstead, they were removed to make way for Goldfinger's house at 2 Willow Road. Now, Goldfinger consulted his lawyers when Goldfinger was released. The novel was released published in 1959, which promised prompted Ian Fleming to threaten to rename the character Gold Prick. Now, Goldfinger eventually decided not to sue and Fleming's publishers agreed to pay all his costs and gave him six free copies of the book. And that is what I have for Spy fact versus spy fiction. [01:15:26] Speaker C: I feel like that's pretty comprehensive. [01:15:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Favorite quotes. [01:15:38] Speaker A: All right, so now it is time for our favorite quotes. Andrew, as our guest, would you like to go first? [01:15:43] Speaker C: It's almost like difficult to like bring it up because it's so classic, but the no, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die. I mean, that's just. [01:15:52] Speaker A: Yeah, it's great. [01:15:53] Speaker C: You know, that's like in the whole history of movies, that's one of the most iconic ones. Not just Bond movies, but movies in general, I think. [01:16:01] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, good choice, Zach, what do you got? [01:16:05] Speaker A: So we did a couple of mine at the beginning. The one about the heroin flavored bananas or whatever. I made Christian not say this, but the one where he says to the woman, may I talk hilariously terrible. [01:16:18] Speaker B: Oh, man. Yeah, yeah. [01:16:20] Speaker A: A classic line that I sometimes bring up is I never joke about my work. 007, that's a good one. Thank you. That was great. And then finally I'll have a couple of. Couple of the buddies. I think they might be soldiers or maybe his friends, where he says, what's keeping bond? He says, 10 will get you one is a drink or a date or a dam. [01:16:38] Speaker B: That's pretty good. [01:16:39] Speaker A: They know him so well after only a couple of movies. [01:16:42] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I had mentioned a couple of mine already. Like, you know, when he says discipline 007 or the double blowout line. Because I actually got to say that in real life, in real context. Yeah, talked about, you know, that's as bad as listening to Beatles without earmuffs. [01:17:00] Speaker C: What about the one where Felix Leiter says to James, where's your butler friend? [01:17:11] Speaker B: Oh, yes. [01:17:11] Speaker C: And Bonds like he blew a fuse. It's one of the classic kind of classic one liner, cheesy one liners. [01:17:20] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, that's a good one. I also like when he's told Goldfinger's name. He says, sounds like a French nail varnish as it is. You know, aric obviously means gold and then gold finger. But my last one is from also again from Connie because he has some of the best lines here. You know, manners on job. I thought. I thought you always took your hat off to a lady. [01:17:41] Speaker A: Well, Andy does. Yeah, all the way off ratings. All right, so now it is time for our ratings. On a scale of 1 to 10 martinis, 1 being Avengers 1998 level bad, and 10 being even better than Mission Impossible, Ghost Protocol, how would we rate Goldfinger? Andrew, as our guest, would you like to go first again? [01:18:06] Speaker C: I mean, I think that Goldfinger's. There's not many things that are wrong with it. I feel like it's the place where all of the elements of Bond come into alignment or it's the kind of template that afterwards gets used as a barometer to judge Bond movies. So I would probably go for like nine. I don't think it's a perfect movie, but it's like pretty damn good. [01:18:31] Speaker A: All right, Very good, Zach. So are you guys gonna be mad at me if I said I didn't like it? No, I do like it. I was just curious. So, yeah, I think it mostly hangs together. The Indiana Jones type thing is kind of funny. It doesn't make a lot of sense that he keeps James Bond alive. The romance is even less established than in other Bond movies, but I think it holds together really well. The villain's great, the henchman is even better. So I'm going to give it an 8 out of 10. I thought it was quite enjoyable. [01:18:59] Speaker B: All right, now I'm trying to remember, what did you give? You gave from Usher With Love a seven and a half. All right. [01:19:04] Speaker A: No, I'd say it's better than From Russia With Love. [01:19:07] Speaker B: So here's the dilemma for me because From Russia with Love is one of my favorite Bond films. And the thing that for me that brings Goldfinger down is, and I mentioned before, it's the passive passivity of Bond here that he's not other than earlier in the film. He's not taking the action. He's not being proactive and trying to do something. He is captured for like 50 of the film or in some way. And it's just. I wish he could he had done more like I Kind of like, would have loved to see what Connery. Like Connery's idea of him being, you know, going undercover as a gangster within Goldfinger's operation. Just see that kind of like what you see, you know, when Blazenby goes undercover into Blofeld's operation in Honor Magic Secret Service, like, get to see him play a character, because I think one. I think Connor would have had a lot of fun playing another character on top of Bond and doing that. On the other hand, you know, this does give us so many of the tropes. It does so much for the future of the franchise. Provided much more the mold that the films would follow in rather than From Russia would love. So I think with that being said, I have to tie it with my score from Rush We Love, which was a 9. So I would give this as well a 9. It is not the perfect James Bond film. Even though it is a very, very good James Bond. Even with all of the things that I've said in terms of reservations, I still really enjoy this. I love it and it's fun just to like, I will put it on in the background if I'm doing something else, if. And then, of course, you know, iconic scenes will come up and I'll stop and then I'll end up stopping just watching the rest of the movie because so much of it is iconic and great. [01:20:46] Speaker A: So what would you say is the perfect James Bond? Christian? [01:20:49] Speaker B: I, I. Well, there's. There's two contenders that we will get to at some point, so I will not reveal yet what. What ones I think they are. All right. [01:21:01] Speaker A: Very good. [01:21:01] Speaker B: Great film. And it's really enjoyable. And we, we sidestepped around the misogyny a lot, which there is that in there. So that also brings that down as well. But it is still such a great film. [01:21:13] Speaker A: All right, Andrew, thank you for joining us. Would you like to. Would you like to plug Spy cast one more time? [01:21:20] Speaker C: Sure, yeah. Yeah. I mean, we've got a back catalog of over 650 episodes now. We've got episodes on Intelligence in ancient Rome, Elizabethan England, Renaissance Venice. [01:21:34] Speaker B: Wow. [01:21:36] Speaker C: During the American Revolution. We've got episodes on how El Chapo and the Sinaloa Cartel, which is Intelligence. We've got episodes on how casinos in Las Vegas. [01:21:49] Speaker B: That's a great one. I listened to that one in Las Vegas while I was there. [01:21:54] Speaker C: Yeah, that's a pretty awesome episode. We've got all kinds of people talking about the future too. We've got episodes on AI The Metaverse. Oh, we've Got episodes that are where we interview spy chiefs, current spy chiefs from Australia, from United States. We've got episodes with former spy chiefs from the United States. We've got the former head of Kenyan intelligence on, former head of Indian intelligence on. So I feel like the past, you know, I can only talk about really what I've done since I took it over. I feel like we've, we've done a lot of international stuff. We've had lots of, we've covered lots of new ground and then we've got some big names that people will have heard of, like David Petraeus, Robert Gates, Leon Panetta, all those kinds of people. So there's loads there to bite your teeth into. And I think if I was to say one final plug, it would be for the James Bond franchise. So I actually think we mentioned Largo earlier, but I think Emilia Largo is one of the most underrated villains. And I think that Thunderball is actually an amazing movie. I really love Thunderball. Like a Sunday afternoon, like watching Thunderball, those underwater fight scenes, you know, the shark Tank, Emilia Largo with his eye patch, I just think it's great. And I think all of these, those like people that are like, oh, the underwater fight scenes are too long. You know, you try being a 12 year old boy and watching underwater fight scenes, it's like, it's like the best thing ever, right? Yeah. Get a life. Like, you don't think underwater fight scenes are cool. This is epic. [01:23:47] Speaker A: That's great. [01:23:47] Speaker C: So I just, I just really love Thunderball and I think that it's had a lot of. [01:23:53] Speaker B: It has gotten a lot of. [01:23:55] Speaker C: But I think it's a great movie and I think that, I actually think that those first four Bond movies are really, for me, that's really the high point, you know. And don't get me wrong, there's great movies that come after that. I think Live and Let Die, the Man with the Golden Gun are great from the Roger Moore era. I actually really like the Timothy Dalton era. Like the kind of paired bar pared back, you know, kind of rough and tumble Bond. Pierce Brosnan for me is probably one of the weaker kind of eras, just in my personal kind of opinion. Yeah, yeah, I love On Her Majesty's Secret Service. I mean, I think all of the elements in Her Majesty's Secret Service are there. I honestly think that Uri could have done a good job as James Bond in that movie just because everything else is so strong. Telly Savalas, Diana Rick, the scenery, the settings, all that kind of stuff. The Daniel Craig era is like just, you know, there's just some amazing movies during that era, too. But I think those first four movies, 62, 63, 64, 65 for Dr. No, from Russia With Love, Goldfinger, and then Thunderball, I just think that those are like, that's the. That to me is the Bond franchise, the 60s. There's still a bit of idealism, but there's like, there's like a shadow over, you know, the Cuban missile crisis, the crisis in Berlin. You know, there's. There's super power. Tension is getting ramped up. The space race, there's still that kind of idealism. If you watch, like, Dr. No or some of the early ones and listen to the music and watch the Visuals, it's very like, 60s. Sure. There's, there's, there's parts of that that are not as. As palatable, certainly these days. The misogyny, the sexism, the racial, you know, the stereotyping of people and so forth. But we don't, we don't need to get any bigger conversation about. About historical anachronisms and cultural values and stuff. But I just think that those first four movies are just like, I could. I could watch the four of them back to back on a Sunday afternoon and just be the happiest man on this planet. [01:26:17] Speaker B: Interesting, because I've got a soft spot for you. Only twice, because it's one of the first ones I saw. I include that in that run and. Yeah, you could. [01:26:25] Speaker C: And you could do that too. The first five. Yeah, that's a great one, too. [01:26:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. And also speaking of Bond at the Spy Museum, we do have Bond in motion there some. What is. I don't forget how many different vehicles from the Bond franchise. Seventeen. Thank you, Andrew. Which will be at the Spy Museum through April of 2025. And yeah, I've. I've been. Zach's obvious. Been obvious. Andrew has seen it a bunch. But I highly recommend, you know, if you've been to the Spy Museum and you said, okay, I've seen every. There. Well, there's always something new. There really is. And actually, I'll plug something else to the Spy Museum. We've got the new Ian Fleming display in Spying in World War II, which has got some great artifacts, including, what was it, one of his cover documents. Is that what it was? [01:27:13] Speaker C: Yeah. So it's a diplomatic courier. It's almost like a passport if you want to pay it like that, or a visa that allows him to travel. And the background story is it's for the real operation goldeneye, which your listeners can go away and Google. It was an actual real operation from World War II and obviously it becomes the name of one of the movies. It's the name of Fleming's estate in Jamaica. So we've got that. We've got some early edition novels. We've got the goldeneye walking stick. We have Fleming's typewriter from during the war. So it's pretty cool. Definitely. [01:27:55] Speaker B: I haven't got a chance to check that out yet, but I will be coming by the museum tomorrow, so I definitely want to get some photos of that and take a look at it because that looks really cool. But yeah, but we know you are a busy man, so thank you so much for making the time for us. We really appreciate it. [01:28:09] Speaker C: You bet. [01:28:10] Speaker A: Thank you Andrew. [01:28:11] Speaker C: Thanks. And it's great to speak to you guys and keep doing what you're doing. [01:28:16] Speaker B: Thanks, thanks. [01:28:16] Speaker A: Appreciate that. Thanks and thank you all to the audience for joining us. You can find us and social media at the Spyfy guys on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and now YouTube as well as our merch [email protected] until next time. [01:28:27] Speaker B: I'm Zach and I'm Christian and we. [01:28:30] Speaker A: Are the spyfi Guys signing off. 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