"The Molly Maguires"

[00:00:00] Speaker A: The nearer he got to their hearts, the farther he got from his purpose. We are the spy fi guys, and this is the Molly Maguires. Welcome to spy fi guys, where we cover spy facts, spy fiction, and everything in between. I'm Christian. [00:00:23] Speaker B: And I'm Zach. [00:00:24] Speaker A: And today we have for you something out of the order, something a bit different. This is not your average spy movie. This is the Molly Maguires from 1970, starring Sean Connery and Richard Harris. [00:00:37] Speaker B: That's right. We're back with more Sean Connery and what a different movie this is. Oh, so different, but so interesting. [00:00:47] Speaker A: Interesting is a word, Christian. [00:00:49] Speaker B: You want to tell us a little bit about how we found out that this movie even existed? [00:00:53] Speaker A: I mean, so for me, I've been doing a rewatch of Sean Connery's entire filmography. Let me see how many I have left. Actually, I have seven films left where he is in a starring role, and I've got three where he's a minor role. Plus Robin Hood, King of thieves, or Prince of thieves, which he has a cameo role in. So maybe about eleven or so left out of his 50 something filmography. So I. Yeah, this was on my radar for that. And then I got a text from you saying Will Maguire's. And I was like, wait, is that a spy film? [00:01:32] Speaker B: And the reason why I knew about it was because I borrowed from Christian a book called the Cinematic Connery, the films of Sir Sean Connery, where they mentioned it. And I was like, oh, it appealed to me because it's irish. I'm into irish stuff, and it's about the Molly Maguire. So as a fan of irish music, there's more than a few songs about the Molly Maguire's. So I was like, this is right at my wheelhouse. It's based on a true story, kind of. Mostly. [00:02:00] Speaker A: Mostly? Yeah. [00:02:02] Speaker B: Plus we got Sean Connery in it. So what more can you ask for? [00:02:06] Speaker A: So this is about sort of, well, mining a mining town in Pennsylvania. What is. What's your sort of background knowledge on sort of mining towns, that sort of thing? Coal mining. [00:02:18] Speaker B: So my background knowledge about this subject comes from irish songs where the miners were exploited. Yeah, it was in the times, and they fought back with violence and received violence unto them in return. [00:02:32] Speaker A: That's about it. Okay. So the only thing I really like, my point of reference for, like, mining towns and coal mining, that sort of stuff, it's from the movie October sky, which came out in what? Oh, wow, 2002 or so, which is about, you know, this kid who grew up in a coal mining town in the fifties or late fifties, and realized he wanted to be a rocket scientist. And he did. His name was Homer Hickam, and he also, well, it was based on a book, and also he had a number of sequels to that book. So it really, which really got into sort of the coal mining town, like the book movie, which was called Rocket Boys, got really into sort of the coal mining town. So that was my point of reference for, like, coal mining town and how rough and hard it is down in those mines, which is good because the. [00:03:19] Speaker B: Movie shows it, but we can also get more detail. [00:03:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:24] Speaker B: And then I should also add, did you see Chernobyl, the series? [00:03:27] Speaker A: I never did, actually. [00:03:29] Speaker B: Well, there's a very interesting part of it with the coal miners who they used to dig under the power plant, and the coal miners hard job, but they also knew how much the Soviet Union depended on them to survive, so they threw their weight. They talked back to the political officers, where other people maybe wouldn't. [00:03:50] Speaker A: Hmm. Interesting. [00:03:51] Speaker B: Okay, so that was interesting. [00:03:54] Speaker A: Alrighty. Well, Zach, why don't you give us our synopses? [00:03:59] Speaker B: Yeah. So, as always, we have our poetry synopsis for the Motley Maguires. We'll begin with the haiku. Dark times, dark place. A decent man is hard to find. He went down fighting. [00:04:12] Speaker A: All right. [00:04:13] Speaker B: And then, of course, as always, spoilers with these plot synopsis. And here is our limerick, which is, of course, appropriate since we're talking about irish folks. [00:04:22] Speaker A: Hey. Yeah, I didn't even think about that. [00:04:24] Speaker B: So anyway, it started with coal and with fire. Then a man who was looking for hire, however he leans, he'll know what it means to be Amalie McGuire. [00:04:34] Speaker A: Ooh. All right. Golf clap. Golf clap. I like it. I like it a lot. [00:04:38] Speaker B: Thank you. Thank you. All right. The song helped get me going. I sent Christian a song before we began. [00:04:45] Speaker A: We'll post that song to our social medias just so people know what we're talking about when we reference that song. [00:04:52] Speaker B: We'll help get you in the mood for the podcast. And then here is the real IMDb plot summary. In 1876, Pennsylvania, a group of irish immigrant coal miners begin to retaliate against the cruelty of their work environment. [00:05:04] Speaker A: Okay. All right, so here we go. We start with a montage of mining, and we see all these irish immigrants, and we see them planting explosives. We think it's for, you know, mining purposes, but then this whole montage ends with a mine exploding. And then we get our title, the Molly McGuires. And there's like, 14 minutes of all this before we get a single spoken word. Yeah. [00:05:33] Speaker B: Christian, that was an excellent jump. You should say, the beginning is a camera slowly goes up on mine and slowly goes down. [00:05:42] Speaker A: I mean, it's a montage. What more do I need to say? [00:05:46] Speaker B: My girlfriend was asleep within about five minutes. [00:05:49] Speaker A: This is why I've tried to start this film three times. And I'd, like, didn't get past the first five minutes, mostly because I was. I like, as a. You know, as a dad, I'm watching this when my baby's asleep, so I'm like, it's later in the evening. So I've tried, like, three times. [00:06:05] Speaker B: And, yeah, I also watched some of this with at 1.25 speed. First time I've done this for spy fi guys. I might as well just do that now. [00:06:15] Speaker A: Yeah. All right, that's. I mean, it's a lot. I mean, it gets you in the mood of all of that, but 14 minutes is a lot. [00:06:25] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like an art movie. [00:06:29] Speaker A: So we, after all of this, we meet James Parlin, played by Richard Harris, who's new in town. Now, what's your point of reference for Richard Harris? I gotta know. [00:06:40] Speaker B: Richard Harris. And the name sounded familiar, but I didn't know anything that he was in. [00:06:44] Speaker A: Oof. Zack. Zack. All right. The why the Harry Potter fans are gonna come after you. Because he was the first. Dumbledore. Yeah. [00:06:53] Speaker B: Okay, so I knew he sounded familiar. [00:06:55] Speaker A: But your musical theater fans are gonna come after you, too, because he is. At least musical theater movies. He was in Camelot. [00:07:04] Speaker B: I've never seen that. [00:07:06] Speaker A: What? [00:07:06] Speaker B: Is that good? [00:07:07] Speaker A: Yes, it is amazing. What. Zack, what are you doing? What are you doing? [00:07:11] Speaker B: Zach, what are some of the songs from it? [00:07:15] Speaker A: Excuse me. Yeah. It is a key, you know, cultural touchstone of the 1960s. There's a reason why he's. That movie is the reason why JFK's reign was known as Camelot. [00:07:32] Speaker B: Hmm. I should have figured they wouldn't just get a historical reference. Wasn't Sean Connery in Camelot, too, or considered to be in it? [00:07:39] Speaker A: No, he is. He is in at least three films which have arthurian connections. None of them is Camelot. [00:07:47] Speaker B: Okay. I think they talked about it in the book. Like, maybe they considered him and he turned them down. [00:07:51] Speaker A: Or it's entirely possible because he, you know, his start was sort of in the South Pacific, sort of touring for London in England. No. So, yeah, Richard Harris, big deal. So this is interesting. So you have Connery, who's obviously, you know, at that. Well, not. I'm not gonna say his height, because he had. He's had so many heights. But one of his heights in the sixties, this is 1970. And then you also had Richard Harris, who's coming off his height in for 1960, seven's Camelot. So two powerhouses here. Anyway, so. [00:08:26] Speaker B: Yeah. And they both have these big mustaches. How did you feel about that? I know, I know. Sean Connery has a mustache pretty much whenever he's not James Bond. But how do you feel about it? [00:08:36] Speaker A: I like that mustache. As someone who has a mustache, I appreciated the mustache. It was a nice mustache. I mean, for me, I kind of like the errol Flynn sort of, you know, mustache. But that mustache works on gonorrhea. [00:08:50] Speaker B: Sure. What about Richard Harris's, though? [00:08:52] Speaker A: That's a good mustache, too. I mean, so, like, again, you look at him in Amlot. He's got the mustache and the beard, like the chinstrap beard. So it works on him. So I'm used to him seeing. And then, of course, obviously, Dumbledore, he's got a great big bushy beard. So used to hit with facial hair. It would be weird if I didn't see him with facial hair. I don't know. I don't know. [00:09:16] Speaker B: They are. Fair enough. [00:09:18] Speaker A: James Parlin. Richard Harris goes to the bar, which is where everyone is. He gets in on a card game. The other bar patrons are sort of suspicious of him. We see, we get our first glimpse of John Connery, aka Jack Kehoe. The bar. [00:09:35] Speaker B: Yeah. We also get a little irish music, including Molly Malone, the classic tier. [00:09:40] Speaker A: Ah, yes, yes. Which I had to look up was like, wait, that's not the same. Like, I couldn't remember if the song was called Molly Malone or Molly Maguire. I also had to look up. All right. Is the statue in Dublin, is that Molly Malone or Marley Maguire? Molly Malone. [00:09:55] Speaker B: Did you see the Molly Malone statue while you were there? [00:09:58] Speaker A: I did see it. I have a photo with it. I did not rub with the area where everyone else has rubbed. [00:10:05] Speaker B: That would be a. I was wondering about that. [00:10:08] Speaker A: Did not. But I did. You know, I didn't hear the song, you know? And what is it? I know it's something. Fair city. Okay. [00:10:19] Speaker B: The girls are so pretty. [00:10:21] Speaker A: I knew. I was like, wait, I know it's something. First to say. I was like, how do I fit Dublin in there? Okay. Yeah. Okay. I'm familiar with the song as well. That's right. I do remember hearing that now that we talk about that. [00:10:33] Speaker B: But something I appreciate about this scene is that it's like. It's like something out of dungeons and dragons. Where a stranger comes to the tavern looking for a job, any job, and then gets into a fight, or I guess like a karate movie, too. [00:10:46] Speaker A: Oh, what karate movie have you been watching? [00:10:50] Speaker B: Well, like, you know, this traveling stranger who's good at fighting and just wants to be left alone, but then he always gets pulled in. [00:10:56] Speaker A: Okay, that's more of a kung fu movie than a. Anyways, besides the point. So, yeah, so he is asking about the mine, but he's clearly never worked in a mine before. They actually, you know, see his hands and they're, you know, soft hands. And, yeah, he gets into a fight, and as the fight happens, he gets knocked out by the cops. Now when he's alone with one of the cops, whose name is captain. Captain. [00:11:25] Speaker B: I like the way the captain guy talks. He talk. Has a very interesting kind of way that he talks. [00:11:31] Speaker A: What is the captain's name? I have it somewhere. [00:11:34] Speaker B: Pay attention. I can find it. Captain Fraser. [00:11:41] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the one. Captain Fraser. Yeah. Reveals that Mark James Parlin is his inside man and that the cops think there's a group of irish miners who are causing all of the problems in this little city known as the Molly Maguires. And so his job is to infiltrate them. [00:11:59] Speaker B: Yeah, we have the info dump here, and it's cool. This movie feels very old. Very old in many ways. But I like that they had us do the action and then the explanation for why he's there, whereas I feel like the movies in the past would have him explain it first, and then he goes in. I appreciated that. [00:12:19] Speaker A: James McParlin goes to rent a room at the inn from Mary, and he makes friends with her. Dad says that he's looking to work in the mine. And also, he gives his name as McKenna here, so. But also, first name is James still. So I'm just gonna refer to him as James. So we don't get confused with McParland or McKenna. [00:12:37] Speaker B: There you go. [00:12:38] Speaker A: And he works a day in the mine, and it is tough. It's a lot of hard work. Also, I found it crazy that. Well, I guess. What year. What year is this? [00:12:52] Speaker B: 1876. [00:12:53] Speaker A: So I get there's. What year was the light bulb invented? [00:12:57] Speaker B: Earlier than that. Yeah, I think it's like, 1830s. Have you ever played that board game where you have to put the inventions in order of when they're invented? [00:13:05] Speaker A: I feel like I have. Hold on now. I have to know. [00:13:08] Speaker B: That's a good one. 19th century is brutal, though. [00:13:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:12] Speaker B: Inventing all kinds of stuff. Regardless. They don't have 118, 79. [00:13:18] Speaker A: What. What year did you say this was 1876. Oh, so it's actually before that. Okay. Yeah, but they're like, their helmets have no light bulbs. It is a literal, like, there is a literal flame on their helmets. I was like, wow, that's crazy. [00:13:32] Speaker B: Did you notice when they start work, by the way? Did you really? At 05:00 a.m. they started at 05:00. [00:13:38] Speaker A: A.M. i did not catch that. No. [00:13:42] Speaker B: And Mary got up to get him breakfast because she loves him. [00:13:46] Speaker A: Just a nice person. But, yeah, probably the latter. Former. Anyways, he gets paid $9.24 for the week, and he ends up with only $0.24 for the entire week. [00:13:59] Speaker B: I kind of wish the movie had made it a little bit more clear. I remember thinking at the time that when I was watching it that I was like, I like a little bit more about their oppressive conditions that they're under. But maybe the movie actually did do enough. They just did it in a more subtle way than what we usually see. And this scene is a particularly good example of that. [00:14:19] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Twenty four cents. I mean, granted, inflation, but still, I looked it up. Okay, thank you. [00:14:27] Speaker B: I could save it for spy factor. [00:14:29] Speaker A: Just tell me now, because I want to. [00:14:32] Speaker B: It's worth $7 today. [00:14:34] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. How about 924? How much was that worth? [00:14:38] Speaker B: Or did you not do that math in the 1870? $6. [00:14:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:42] Speaker B: I feel like the mind pays for their food and stuff. So $9.24 1876 is worth $270 today for a week. [00:14:50] Speaker A: Oof. Oof. Yeah. [00:14:53] Speaker B: Well, especially difficult work, too. [00:14:55] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, that's. That's. That's a lot of work. That's a. That is a hard day's work there. So we next go to the church where everyone is, because, of course, they're good Irish Catholics. [00:15:05] Speaker B: Yeah, of course, the priest in this scene totally comes off as, like, the face of the system, you know, interesting. [00:15:15] Speaker A: Well, that's why, like, he's like, violence is wrong. [00:15:17] Speaker B: Violence is bad. Everybody just be nice to each other. [00:15:21] Speaker A: This is interesting for me, having, you know, rocket boy slash October skies. My point of reference, because in the book, they also go into that how? Well, they go into more of how there's a tension between the company and the union and where the church lies within that, whether they're the company, like the church, and whoever the priest decides will do more towards the company's point of view or the union's point of view. And so it's like. Like, oh, it's really in mining town. That seems like it's almost a universal experience. [00:15:54] Speaker B: I don't know if the movie was intentionally trying to make it seem like the church was fulfilling their role as the opiate of the masses to, like, keep them. Keep them docile. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. [00:16:04] Speaker A: Maybe a little. I mean, actually, no, I didn't. You know what? I don't think you're reading that much into it, but you may. But, yeah, but, I mean, we'll see when we get to the end where that lies. The priest is condemning last night's actions by the Molly Maguires, which were beating a watchman and flooding a mine. Also, we see that James here is attending the church with Mary, and he sees Kehoe there as well. And the next day, Jack Kehoe confronts James in the mines and asks there, James very, you know, I'm here because I need a place to work. And this is where I found, although. [00:16:46] Speaker B: The movie has some very slow parts, the dialogue, I think, is pretty good. And it's snappy, especially when you watch it slightly elevated. [00:16:53] Speaker A: Okay, hold on. So you didn't just. Didn't just watch that 14 minutes of intro at 1.25? You watched the rest of the movie at that speed? [00:17:04] Speaker B: Not the rest of it, just a big chunk of it. Once it got more talky, then I slowed it down. [00:17:09] Speaker A: Interesting. Okay. James is about to get crushed by a huge avalanche of coal and then saves him by pulling him out of. Of the path. [00:17:18] Speaker B: So do you think the guys intentionally. Because if you watch it. Yeah, the guys are pulling it down. [00:17:26] Speaker A: No, it's completely intentional. Definitely. Definitely. [00:17:29] Speaker B: So James also mentioned that he was in prison for, quote, shoving the queer. Or is it shaving the queer? [00:17:36] Speaker A: Shoving the queer. [00:17:36] Speaker B: I thought that was funny. [00:17:38] Speaker A: You know what that means? [00:17:38] Speaker B: Shoving the queer? Yeah, you learn from context. It means forging money or counterfeiting money. [00:17:44] Speaker A: Yeah. So. Which is an interesting phrase, but, yeah, so he was a counterfeiter. And also, apparently, he tells him that he killed a man in Buffalo over a woman. [00:17:54] Speaker B: So this was really good. I liked this. I quite liked this part when he's like, oh, I'm on the run for counterfeiting. And Jack is like, no way, dude. No way. A mine is harder than any jail. So what's the real reason? But then he actually has a good, real reason. He doesn't get caught so easily. [00:18:15] Speaker A: But, yeah. So later on, Keyhoe is James with his wife and then with the other miners suspect that he could be a spy. But the figure, the best way to catch him, if he is, is just to bring him in. [00:18:28] Speaker B: They make an interesting point where if they kill him, more spies will just come, which is true. But then it's like, what are they gonna do? Like, the whole, like, spy game part of the movie is really weird. [00:18:41] Speaker A: Oh. [00:18:42] Speaker B: They only don't test him that. That much. I feel like they believe him pretty easily. Like, I thought the movie was gonna be this cat and mouse like mind game between James and Jack Kehoe, but it's not. [00:18:55] Speaker A: It's. [00:18:55] Speaker B: It's really not. [00:18:56] Speaker A: No, it's something very different. And once. And I'll get to the point where it crystallized me for me exactly what this movie was and what it reminded me of. We're not here yet. Okay. But we'll get there. [00:19:07] Speaker B: Yeah, that's fine. And so, by the way, Christian, something interesting about this spy movie, which we haven't seen be true for all of these old, old, tiny ones, but there's no technology. [00:19:17] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:19:18] Speaker B: There's no technology in the spine. [00:19:22] Speaker A: Same like a movie which I tried to forget. No, I'm kidding. I don't, actually, I do quite enjoy it. Michael Collins. [00:19:31] Speaker B: Collins. Yeah, that's right. That's true, too. [00:19:33] Speaker A: Yeah. There's a football match, actually. Was this football? I think this was rugby. [00:19:39] Speaker B: No, it was rugby. And this part goes on for so long. So long. [00:19:44] Speaker A: Yes. [00:19:44] Speaker B: It's like, we get it. They're playing rugby. But I also thought, wow, it's a very violent sport. As if their bodies aren't taking enough damage in the mine. [00:19:54] Speaker A: Yeah. They're playing against another set of coal miners. And then there's a big fight. And then during that big fight, folks are beaten by the police, and James ends up, you know, getting into the fight and breaks a policeman's jaw, which establishes his cover. Yeah. And later, the captain Frazier chat James. But he said, you know, he had to make it look real, which is, you know, exactly what the captain said before when he knocked him out and that he had to make in the bar. Said he had to make it look real. [00:20:26] Speaker B: Yeah. I also appreciated that the fight at the rugby match was set up by the two guys arguing over the redheaded woman. [00:20:33] Speaker A: Is that. [00:20:34] Speaker B: Of course she's redheaded because she's irish. [00:20:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:37] Speaker B: Well, I mean, do you remember the part where they're like, oh, she's coming home with me. I don't even remember what they said, but it's like she's interested in me. No, she's interested in me or whatever. I feel like if it were a modern movie, they would move a lot faster with that. Or just have a guy get. Be, like, drunk or something. And that's what starts everybody drawing. [00:20:55] Speaker A: So after that, Jack Kehoe and the other ringleaders of the Molly Maguires all appear at Mary's house. And, like, they have her and her father sort of leave the main area, and they make James kneel, and they're, like, making the sign of the cross, which makes it seem like they're about to kill him, but instead they make him a member of the ancient order of Hibernians. [00:21:22] Speaker B: Yes. And, you know, Hibernians. [00:21:24] Speaker A: You know, that means Christian, actually. [00:21:26] Speaker B: So that's what the Romans called Ireland was. Hibernia. [00:21:30] Speaker A: Interesting. [00:21:31] Speaker B: Okay, that might come in handy. It actually has come up in bar trivia before. [00:21:35] Speaker A: All right, all right. [00:21:36] Speaker B: The scene where they're about to kill again. I thought the whole movie was gonna be like this, where any second he was afraid his cover was gonna get blown and he was gonna get capped. I mean, after this, it seems like they trust him pretty much. [00:21:48] Speaker A: And they like, I like, I like to this part where they teach him all of the, like, little code phrases or code like motions. But also, he's definitely, like. They're keeping him drinking while they're. While he's like, all right, make sure that it's, like. It's both a test of, you know, your. How much you can hold your alcohol, but then also your memory. [00:22:11] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. So, yeah, so here, audience, here's some spy stuff. There you go. [00:22:16] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:22:17] Speaker B: Just in case you were wondering. But I do like that Jack still doesn't trust him, and he's still keeping an eye on him. Kind of makes sense. It's like, keep your friends closer and your enemies closer. And something else I appreciated about this movie is his job is to get evidence so he could bring the Molly McGuires in. [00:22:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:34] Speaker B: How many other spy movies have we seen where that's the mission? None. [00:22:38] Speaker A: None. But if this counts as a spy movie, you have two more that we could technically count as spy movies. [00:22:43] Speaker B: I mean, we've had the departed on the list. [00:22:45] Speaker A: I will get to those when I get to the moment it crystallized for me. It's coming. Don't worry. [00:22:50] Speaker B: Okay. [00:22:51] Speaker A: Yeah. So after this, Mary sort of gives him a hard time for joining, but the very next day, like, a train ride into the city and they go shopping. And while Mary is, you know, looking at some hats that he said, you know, you know, money is no object, he meets with Captain Fraser and gets, you know, some help is covered, but also so that he can pay for all the stuff that he's buying for Mary. [00:23:15] Speaker B: You notice also that he hurt himself in order to get a day off? [00:23:19] Speaker A: Is that what that was? Okay, I wasn't sure. I thought that it was part of, like, the initiation stuff that we just didn't see. Maybe he had to put his hand over a flame or something. [00:23:29] Speaker B: No, I don't think so. Cause he said all it took was a few smashed fingers to get me my day. [00:23:33] Speaker A: Oh, I missed that. Okay, so, yeah, that makes more sense. [00:23:37] Speaker B: Yeah. He really must have cost him a lot of money, because not only did he pay for all that hats and stuff for. But he probably cost him a day's wages. [00:23:44] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. You know. [00:23:46] Speaker B: Yeah. He gets the counterfeit money from the captain, but he also gives him some names in return. [00:23:50] Speaker A: Yeah. So next we see there's a train of coal wagons, and they're going on their tracks, and we see some of the malls in Kehoe who are setting an explosive in the tracks. And we see the explosion and see. [00:24:05] Speaker B: It get derailed in this part as well as in the beginning. There's some good irish style music. This movie has some good music. [00:24:12] Speaker A: So later at the meeting, a meeting of the Hibernians in someone's house, James is asked to put the superintendent at the Shenandoah pit out of action. So Jack and James go to Shenandoah, but once they do, they're ambushed by the police. [00:24:28] Speaker B: This was wild. So this is our first gunfight, of which there's a couple. And it's a good gunfight, and it reminded me of Bonnie and Clyde. Have you ever seen Bonnie and Clyde? [00:24:38] Speaker A: I mean, I know I heard. [00:24:40] Speaker B: It's, like, amazing. It's like it, like, changed America. And it's okay. I don't know if it entirely holds up, but the fighting in this part did kind of remind me of that. [00:24:50] Speaker A: All right, all right. Okay. [00:24:51] Speaker B: It's like a very old school movie. Everyone's very nice. Everyone keeps their clothes on, there's no swearing, and then suddenly, bam, bam, bam. Extreme violence. [00:24:58] Speaker A: All right. Actually, I believe theater used in that used to be at the old crime and punishment museum. That used to be in, like, Chinatown area of DC. So I've seen the car, but I've never seen the movie. [00:25:11] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that car is sweet. [00:25:12] Speaker A: Yeah. The police arrest eight men at the pit, but all of them have alibis. And James and to the captain to interview. But, of course, this is just, you know, an excuse for him to change information, but then, of course, also has to, before he returns, a couple things about this. [00:25:28] Speaker B: So, first of all, they shoot at least one cop, which kind of blows my mind. And this part where he goes back for his friend, too. [00:25:36] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:25:37] Speaker B: So he goes back for his friend. But I cannot believe that the McGuires weren't like, okay, James knew about this, and the cops were waiting for them. Obviously, they got tipped off, but they think it's the shenandoah guys who do it and not the new guy. Oh, my God. It's like, come on. Are they, like, stupid or something? [00:25:56] Speaker A: He's already starting to prove himself. Like, he broke that cop's jaw. So I think that sort of proved to at least hint that he is actually with us and not, you know, a spy. [00:26:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, that's just what they want you to think. But then also, we learn later that Jack is very impressed that he went back for the. For the friend. [00:26:16] Speaker A: Hey, that ploy worked. So we also get a scene where James and Mary go for a picnic, and they talk about morality. [00:26:24] Speaker B: Is this the part with the riddles, too? [00:26:25] Speaker A: Also that. [00:26:26] Speaker B: Yeah, that was kind of interesting, I. [00:26:28] Speaker A: Must say, about that. [00:26:29] Speaker B: Well, hang on. Really quickly, though. This goes from era like Michael Collins, where every movie needs to have a love story, no matter how inappropriate it is. And, yeah, they could have cut this out. [00:26:40] Speaker A: Not as much of a focus as Michael Collins. [00:26:42] Speaker B: Well, that is true. But then also, the other thing I have here is when they go to their picnic spot, it shows them slowly walk and then slowly walk some more. It's like three separate shots of them walking. [00:26:55] Speaker A: Watch. I have no idea where this was filmed, but actually, I do not. Never mind. I do know. But when you've got that landscape, you might as well show it off. [00:27:02] Speaker B: So, Christian, something that crystallized to me at this part while we were talking about it is, you know, if there's too many remakes now, remakes. Movies that are better, and people are like, well, maybe some movies needed a remake. Like Judge Dredd. This is another one that could use a modern remake, I think. [00:27:17] Speaker A: Interesting. All right. I mean, actually, in this day and age, I could see it. Yeah. [00:27:23] Speaker B: I mean, it's a good story, and it's interesting, but it needs. It needs an update. [00:27:28] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:27:29] Speaker B: Some iron sensibility. [00:27:30] Speaker A: So right here is where things really start to get kicked up a notch, because we get one of the ringleaders of the Molly Maguires. His wife, I think. I believe this is the person who. I can't remember his name, but he's. It's the person whose house the last Herbernians meeting was in. Him and his wife are shot dead by masked men. And they're like, infant son is, like, right next to him. I was honestly a little surprised that the kid didn't get killed, too. [00:27:58] Speaker B: I mean, yeah, it's very violent, like pine and clay. But it also, again, I know we keep talking about Michael Collins, but this is the most Michael Collinsy part. Not because they're irish, though, that contributes, but it's more because they run up to a guy in his house, shoot him, and then run away. Yeah, just like in that movie. And it looks like the cops did it. It looks like the cops did it, but they can't prove it. Which kind of begs the question, if the cops can always get away with it, why don't they just kill all of them? All of McGuire's extra judiciously, because they. [00:28:25] Speaker A: Didn'T have their names. [00:28:26] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Thanks to the. Well, they. They had. They knew about keyhole. Yeah, a couple of other ones, but not all of them, certainly. [00:28:34] Speaker A: And then here's where I think priest is definitely towing the company live because he's, like, giving the mourners a talking to at the gravesite during the funeral. [00:28:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, that was a little bit inappropriate. [00:28:49] Speaker A: Yeah. So the Molly McGuires figure out that it's the cops who did this, because one of the neighbors saw the men, masked men and all the strength pants, which apparently was part of the cop uniform at that time. [00:29:01] Speaker B: Yeah, they didn't even really bother to disguise themselves very well. [00:29:05] Speaker A: No, no. Here we get James trying to convince them to stand down, but Jack will not back down. [00:29:11] Speaker B: I mean, they talk about, should we retaliate? And if so, against who? Or James, of course, says if you retaliate, they'll just retaliate harder. And then where will it end? [00:29:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Jack wants back down. The Malaguias attempt to retaliate, but then a bunch of them are captured and taken by the cop. [00:29:31] Speaker B: The cops were again tipped off. Again, it was a trap. Again, they can't figure out who did it. [00:29:37] Speaker A: Also, we've been saying the cop's name wrong this entire time. Captain's name is Davies, not Frazier. [00:29:43] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Fraser might have been the guy who got shot. [00:29:46] Speaker A: Yeah, it is. Yeah. James goes to the woods to meet with Captain Davies. And Captain Davies says that the agency is very pleased and he might get a promotion out of this. But of course, James is feeling guilty. [00:29:58] Speaker B: About this, so, Christian, I have a question for you. [00:30:00] Speaker A: Yes. [00:30:01] Speaker B: Did you ever think that James was going to switch sides? [00:30:04] Speaker A: Yes. [00:30:05] Speaker B: You did? Yes. I never really felt like he was going to. [00:30:09] Speaker A: And I'll tell you exactly. Why in, like, two scenes? Because. Because of this movies that this reminded me of. [00:30:16] Speaker B: All right, I guess we'll wait for that then. [00:30:18] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Jack e ho is summoned to Mary's house because her father is dying. Priest is there giving him his. The father's his last rights. And tell Jack that the captured Molly name, I forget. Maybe I think it's Fraser. Will be tried, or doherty. No, maybe it's. I don't. [00:30:34] Speaker B: Yeah, it's Doherty. [00:30:36] Speaker A: Yeah. Will be tried for killing attendance. And Jack's like, but he had nothing to do with that. Well, you know, they've got him, so they're just going to pin everything on him. And the priest tries to convince him to stop, but then also tells Jack that there's an informer, and that's where he starts to get that idea. So this is why I'm like, hmm, okay, he's been going to the company. The priest has been told, but why tell Jack there's an informer? Why even give them that hint? [00:31:01] Speaker B: It's like all these other authoritarian regimes. Every time you got an oppressive system, he can't fight the system himself. The priest, he's only doing what he needs to do to survive. But he's still like, I don't want to say loyal, but he's sympathetic to the Molly Maguires, so he's helping them out. [00:31:16] Speaker A: We next have the wake from Mary's father. It is a literal irish wake, although not as much of a barnstormer as I was expecting. From an irish wake. [00:31:24] Speaker B: Yeah, that must have been after the sun goes down. [00:31:26] Speaker A: This is also the first time we actually see keyhole. And James is surprised. I thought you didn't touch the stuff. And it's like, well, I make an exception. And it's like, wow, when you make exceptions, you really do it. Because Jack is pretty drunk. He makes a bean. He gives this whole speech about how, you know, it's not right. He worked for, you know, Larry's father worked for years, and he could have actually made a name for himself and done something, but he didn't. And now he doesn't even have a proper suit to bury himself in. [00:31:56] Speaker B: Yeah, he gets mad at the corpse. [00:31:59] Speaker A: He and a bunch of them, they break into the company's store. They steal a suit to bury Mary's father in. He steals a bunch more clothes and throws it out to the men. And all the while, James is watching Kehoe, and at a certain point, he grabs a shovel and decides to trash the store. And then they set the place on fire. And then this moment I realize one movie. What is this movie where the cop is undercover with the criminals and doesn't want to incriminate the criminals, but does. But also, he's drawn in by just the charisma of this. [00:32:34] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Don't say aggression. [00:32:36] Speaker A: It's fast and furious. But fast furious remake of point break, except without surfboards and with cars. So it also reminded me of that. [00:32:47] Speaker B: Well, except this is like the opposite of Fast and Furious, where. Fast. But this is slow. [00:32:52] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, but that's like. Oh, that's. That's why I'm getting. This is so familiar seeming to me. It was like, oh, it's point break. And it's the first fast. The Fast and the Furious. Yes. [00:33:03] Speaker B: I haven't seen point break, so please don't get mad at me. I haven't seen a lot of movies, but I seem to remember that in that movie, they were not ideological. Weren't they? Just criminals? [00:33:13] Speaker A: Um, depends on what defi your. So, okay, it's not. It was not about the ideology. It was about the lifestyle, about cars, and about that live quarter mile at a time. So there's that ideology, Lisa. Fast furious. And then in point break, it is about a thrill. The extreme sports is tracing that adrenaline. [00:33:35] Speaker B: Right? [00:33:35] Speaker A: As opposed to. Yes. All right, this is more. This is more philosophical, more political. Yeah. Hey, I mean, I don't know, chasing that adrenaline, that's really sympathetic. Or you just be living your life that quarter mile of time. There's a reason why those movies made a billion, couple billion at least dollars, because people find that sympathetic. [00:33:59] Speaker B: I was not expecting that. [00:34:01] Speaker A: I was wondering if. [00:34:01] Speaker B: Not expecting. Well, yeah, the build that was helped. I thought you were gonna say the departed. [00:34:07] Speaker A: So I've actually never seen departed, but because of that. So this is why I'm like, all right, this cat's a spy movie. [00:34:15] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I mean, obviously, I think it's pretty clear that it is because of those. [00:34:20] Speaker A: Because of. All right. This was reminding me of those two movies. And in both of those movies, spoiler alert, the guy, well, he doesn't actually, you know, he doesn't necessarily, you know, switch sides, but he at least lets the other guy go. That's why I was like, I believe that he could switch sides, potentially. [00:34:39] Speaker B: I see. I see. [00:34:40] Speaker A: We get Kehoe James and another Molly McGuire whose name I forget. Maybe this is Fraser, who knows are about to blow up the mine or not exactly. Not the mine, but the. What is it called? The coalbreaker, which is this big. Yeah. The big prop that we see right. Where you into it, and then you have, like, the, like, boys who are in there sorting through the mine and picking out on anything. Yeah. So they're about to blow that up. [00:35:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Child miners. [00:35:07] Speaker A: And he tells James, all right, guard. This man, once they come, are about to set everything. They're captured by the police. Kehoe looks up and sees that James is not where he told him to be. This is probably when the wheels start turning for him. [00:35:19] Speaker B: That's right. Much too late, though. [00:35:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Much, much sooner. [00:35:23] Speaker B: That's what I've been saying. [00:35:25] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. So, Kehoe and the other Molly Maguires are charged in court, and then we get this great scene where James is called as the first witness, and you see the door open just playing cards with Captain Davies. [00:35:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Ooh, the betrayal. What a scumbag. [00:35:43] Speaker A: And Kehoe, like, tries to confront him, but is pulled back by the bailiffs. And we see that the jury finds them all guilty and to hang. [00:35:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:53] Speaker A: Executed by hanging. And James is told by captain Davies that he's gonna be promoted. Then they're gonna open up a new branch, which they might put him in charge of. Leaves the courtroom. He sees Mary is there waiting for him. And we get this big scene where she says that, you know, he basically. She could have accepted him as a criminal. They could have run away together. But as a cop, she can't do it. And she wishes she could, but she can't. [00:36:16] Speaker B: And the cop that betrays one of his own, too. [00:36:19] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And at this point, I'm like, still, like, all right, is he gonna do something? Is he gonna break Kehoe out of prison? Is he gonna do something? In my mind, there's still a chance, like, maybe he's feeling guilty about that. Maybe he's gonna. [00:36:33] Speaker B: Sorry, Christian. This ain't no fairy tale. [00:36:35] Speaker A: Yeah. He goes to visit Kehoe in prison. You know, Kehoe knows he couldn't have won, but he could at least, you know, push the company into doing something. And he says that, you know, James did more than he needed to for the job. He didn't need to go back for the eye, other things. And they're like, Jack also tells him that he had one more job he had planned for a bridge. And here's my mind, like, oh, is the end scene gonna be, you know, James carrying out that plan? Maybe. Maybe. And then Jax says that James came there for absolution, not. Yeah. And so it's like, to get rid of all this pain you're carrying, because you are. You want to be punished for this guilt that you're carrying around. And at that point, he, like, goes crazy and tries to choke James out, but the cops come in to stop him. And then as he leaves the prison, James sees some cops testing out the hangman stocks as credits roll. [00:37:29] Speaker B: Wow, what a sudden ending. What a brutal ending. It's very interesting. Makes you think. So, my question to you, though, this movie is not the fast and the furious set in the real world. So how exactly would he have been able to get away with it if he had betrayed your Hollywood ending? [00:37:47] Speaker A: If this was not based on a true story? I would say maybe he doesn't break out Jack, but he does carry out his last plan. And then he goes and runs away with Mary. [00:37:56] Speaker B: Yeah, he just runs away. Well, see, so that's what's interesting about this situation, okay. You're in an oppressive system not unlike that of other authoritarian regimes. Okay, so let's say you're Jack Kehoe. Okay. I really don't know what I would do. If you use violence like the Mollyguires do, eventually get caught and killed. But if you don't, the system just sucks, and eventually you'll just die of black lungs. And if you organize, like, labor unions were not very well organized at the time, so they would probably. I guess that's how they ended up doing it. Right. You're gonna get to that later. [00:38:32] Speaker A: Yeah. Do you have anything about the union's effect? [00:38:36] Speaker B: No, I don't. [00:38:37] Speaker A: All right. [00:38:37] Speaker B: I don't. [00:38:37] Speaker A: Okay. Just from me reading a little bit into it, that there is debate within historians on whether the Molly Maguires are responsible for events portrayed in the movie. [00:38:49] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. [00:38:50] Speaker A: There's a historical debate on why Pinkertons was sent down. Was it to actually to break up the Molly Maguires or cause disruption for the unions, which the. The Irish were very much in support of and which were causing issues for the company. [00:39:05] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I actually have a little bit of that. I guess we're going into spy. [00:39:08] Speaker A: Yeah. So let's. Let's head on in. Since we're there, do you want me to go first? Yeah. Since we've already started. And you apparently have some stuff, because I don't have too much about that. [00:39:17] Speaker B: A couple things of the Molly McGuire's hoax. Terrorists or working class heroes by James Ottavio Castagnera on the history place. So they talk about Jack Kehoe, did mine Cole in his time, but he was also a tavern owner and a high official of the ancient order of Hibernians and a small time politician. So the film's fundamental premise, which is that the Molly McGuires did all this stuff, has been questioned since 20 mollies were hanged between 1877 and 1879. And now the hoax theory is that Franklin Gowan, president of the Philadelphia and Reading Railroad. Like from Monopoly, the Reading railroad was smarting from the rise of the working Men's Benevolent association, which was an early labor union. So they conspired to insert an instigator like James into the ancient Hibernians, not to unmask them, but to incite violence and allow them to, you know, allow the regime to come down hard. [00:40:15] Speaker A: The captain Davies is even saying, you know, we can't get them on just what they're doing now. We need them to kill a man, basically, or at least attempt to kill a man. [00:40:23] Speaker B: That's a pretty subtle way to do that, which I like. Joseph G. Reback, author of A History of American labor, has observed. The charge has been made that the Mollyguyers episode was deliberately manufactured by the coal operators to destroy unionism in the area. So we mentioned this before, the Pinkertons. I guess you know who the Pinkertons are. The audience might not. They're basically private detectives that were interested. [00:40:45] Speaker A: And I a little bit about them, but yeah. [00:40:47] Speaker B: Finally, on Wikipedia about James McParland using the name James McKenna, he did infiltrate and dismantle, helped to dismantle the Molly Maguires. So the movie was accurate in that sense. And on the 10 December 1876, three men and two women with Molly connections were attacked in their house by masked men. One woman in the house, the wife of one of the guards, was taken outside before being shot dead. So that's scary. [00:41:11] Speaker A: Jeez. [00:41:12] Speaker B: So he didn't like that. James didn't, but he did eventually carry out his mission. And then one last kind of interesting thing is, reports of McFarland's success against the Maguires came to the attention of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, author of the Sherlock Holmes. [00:41:26] Speaker A: I heard about that. [00:41:27] Speaker B: And he wrote him into a book called the Valley of fear, creating an encounter between the fictional Sherlock Holmes and a character whose history loosely recalled McParanley experience with the motley Macquanas. [00:41:38] Speaker A: Now that I've seen that a couple of times, I'm curious now to read that story and see what inspiration Arthur Conan Dolo took from that. [00:41:46] Speaker B: So that's all I got. Carry on, Christian. [00:41:49] Speaker A: All right, so, I mean, I have a few things. One sort of about the ancient order of Hibernians is from Wikipedia. It is an irish catholic organization. All members must be male Catholic. And either born in Ireland or of irish descent. The largest membership is in the US, where it was founded in New York City in 1836, and the name was adopted by groups of irish immigrants in the US. Its purpose was to act as guards to shield catholic churches from anti catholic forces in the mid 19th century and to assist irish catholic immigrants, especially those who face discrimination or harsh coal mining working conditions. And here's where it mentions, of course, that many members of the coal mining area of Pennsylvania allegedly had a background with the Molly Maguires. [00:42:33] Speaker B: I think the movie could have done more to show how they were being discriminated against for being irish. I got the impression from the movie was that all these coal miners were treated equally badly. [00:42:42] Speaker A: Well, I think all of those coal miners were irish, so they were all being treated terribly. From what it sounds like, it is a fraternal organization, similar, kind of similar to the Masons. Have you ever have any experience with either, you know, Freemasons or any sort of masonic organizations? [00:42:59] Speaker B: You know, something interesting living here in DC is they have these giant masonic temples around. [00:43:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:04] Speaker B: Never see anyone coming in or out of them. So I can't say I know too much more besides just the layman's. [00:43:10] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. Info. I mean. So there is a filipino fraternal organization that I, like, I had been inducted into, but never really did anything with its order of Rizal, after Jose Rizal, but, like there, the unfor. Wow. Maybe if I got slightly more involved with it. I've learned all the code phrases and all that, but we didn't. I didn't get there wasn't. That's what it was called. It was a ceremony including like, blindfolding, but. [00:43:36] Speaker B: Wow. You want me to cut that out? You sure you want the Internet to know about that? In case they come after you? [00:43:40] Speaker A: I mean, it was also in a very public ceremony. So, like, as we're getting, like, we had, like, family members there, so it's not like it's something secret, really? [00:43:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Not really secret. [00:43:51] Speaker A: No. No. I assume masonic rituals are a bit more secretive than that. [00:43:57] Speaker B: Safe to say. [00:43:58] Speaker A: Yeah. But then what else I've got is about the Pinkertons. So they are a private security guard and detective agency established around 1850 in the US by scottish born American Cooper. Cooper. Apparently a person trained. Trained to make basket wooden casks, baskets, vats and buckets. So. Sky sporn. American Cooper, Alan Pinkerton. This is all from Wikipedia. Now, its biggest claim to fame, or at least early on, was when Pinkerton claimed to foil the Baltimore plot to assassinate President elect Abraham Lincoln. And he hired Pinkerton agents to conduct espionage against the Confederacy and act as his personal security during the American Civil War. In this way, they were basically to the secret Service because there was no secret service at that time. [00:44:46] Speaker B: Yeah, they were cool. [00:44:48] Speaker A: Well, cool is a word. [00:44:50] Speaker B: They do a lot of stuff. [00:44:51] Speaker A: They did a lot of stuff. I will say there are as a history of sort of conflicts with labor unions, but they have a checkered pass. But interestingly, in 1999, the company was bought by Securitas AB, which you may have seen around as just being a private security firm, but they're actually a swedish company. And then lastly, I've got. We've mentioned it briefly, but so pushing the queer. So this is from the John Hopkins University Press, and it says that, you know, the oldest slang, tan queer, is now generally understood. It has been used in phrases referring to counterfeiting and counterfeit money since at least the 17th century. Apparently, this usage continued well into the 19th century. It's listed as one of the meanings of shove. The queer is the definition of passing counterfeit money with no context for us in the modern day. When you say that you're in trouble for shoving the queer, it seems like something very different. [00:45:52] Speaker B: Happy pride, everybody. [00:45:54] Speaker A: Oh, wow. That's great timing, Zach. Sure. Anyway, so that's what I got for spy fact versus spy fiction. [00:46:01] Speaker B: All right, so now we have our favorite quotes. I can go first. The movie actually had some pretty good dialogue. [00:46:06] Speaker A: Yeah, good dialogue, but I don't know. Okay, go ahead. Sure. [00:46:08] Speaker B: I just thought it was funny when the priest was making his lecture. He says, the church condemns all secret societies. That amused me. And then a couple of cool lines is, James says, I could always tell the buttered side from the dry. Can I steal that? [00:46:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:24] Speaker B: Okay. The captain says to him, you step out of line and I'll step on you. Except he has it in that, like, cool way of talking, which I can't replicate. And then finally, I'll give the last line that I like to Mary, where she says, the old man did the lying. I just did the agreeing. I thought that was pretty darn clever. [00:46:41] Speaker A: For context of that, I could always tell the butter side from the dry. That the cop, Captain Davies, says, don't get confused about which side you're on. And then he gets that. That's when James says, I could always tell the butter side from the dry. [00:46:55] Speaker B: See, that's why I didn't think he was going to betray him. [00:46:58] Speaker A: I also liked also from James, after he almost gets killed by the coal avalanche, he says to Jack, if you're making a choice between getting killed and a little bit of information, dot, dot, dot. [00:47:12] Speaker B: There you go. There you go. Any other ones? [00:47:14] Speaker A: Yeah, that's it. [00:47:15] Speaker B: All right, so now it's time for our ratings. On a scale of one to ten martinis, one being Avengers 1998 and ten being even better than Mission Impossible Ghost protocol, how would we rate the Molly Maguires? Christian, why don't you go first this time? I feel like I usually go first. [00:47:30] Speaker A: Yeah, with good reason, because usually a downer and I bring things up a bit. [00:47:35] Speaker B: I'm gonna be a downer again, so I go first. All right, so this movie is hard to rate. I've been speaking very positively about it. Dialogue is, like, snappy. I love how it's different. It's different in so many ways. It is not your typical spy movie. The conflict is interesting. There's a lot of big concepts. There's low tech spies, so there's a lot of positives. But on the negative sides, the characters are, like, not that smart. Like, I feel like Jack should have been able to figure out what was going on. It doesn't have, like, that narrative arc where it's, like he gets closer and closer and closer until, boom, the big betrayal, and then the Molly McGuires get killed. It's kind of more like, goes up and down and more to the point, it's just boring. I'm sorry. It's very slow, especially the first half. The second half does pick up a little bit. Yeah, but the first half is like, oh, my God. It's gonna put you to sleep. It put Christian to sleep. There you go. So I really can't, in good conscience give it, like, a good high rating. [00:48:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:38] Speaker B: But it does have a lot going forward, especially if you're interested in irish stuff. So I'm gonna give it a six out of ten. And that's being generous. [00:48:46] Speaker A: That is generous. [00:48:48] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:48:49] Speaker A: I realized as soon as I said, you know, I usually bring things out or bring things up. I think this is going to be the actually opposite case, because, I mean, yeah, like you said, there are good things. It is. As a movie, it's fine. Actually, I was just gonna say, as a movie, it's not a spy movie. It's. It's great, but it's. It's not. It's. It's got some great performances. Like, I enjoy. I really enjoy Richard Harris in this because I love him in Camelot, and just getting to see him sort of in another role here is nice for me. Connery gives a good performance. I think I could have used more from Connery, honestly. Like, I enjoyed when he had had these. That, like, outburst of rage at the wake. But before that, he's very cool customer. He's not. I don't see much I wanted to see more bubbling under the surface from it. [00:49:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, like, he's just kind of there. I feel like any other actor could have played that role, really. [00:49:40] Speaker A: But I gotta talk about this as a. You know, he's a Scott. He's not irish. And this is the. Hold on, let me pull up, because I have a letterbox list of every time Connery has played an irishman, which. [00:49:54] Speaker B: Has been a lot. [00:49:55] Speaker A: Five other films where he plays an irishman. Now, one of them is the frightened city. His character name is Paddy Damian. [00:50:03] Speaker B: Wow. [00:50:04] Speaker A: In Tarzan's greatest adventure, his character name is Obanion, obviously. Darby O'Gill and the little people. He's Michael McBride, obviously. And here, Mal Maguire is Jack Kehoe. The only one that's kind of debatable is outlandish where his name. His marshall, William T. O'Neill. It's never mentioned in his Irish, but, you know, the O'Neil. It's kind of implied. But, of course, the role which. Sir? Sean Connery. His Oscar in the Untouchables. Jimmy Malone. [00:50:35] Speaker B: That's right. [00:50:35] Speaker A: Irish. [00:50:36] Speaker B: That's right. [00:50:37] Speaker A: As I was getting. Oh, wait, I forgot. I haven't mentioned this, and I gotta talk about it. There are six times, however, in his book, to be a Scottish, he's mentioned that actually, his gr. One of his grandfather's or one of his grandparents is irish hire realm. He is most famously known as being a Scott. You know, his autobiography is called being a Scott, so, I mean. [00:51:00] Speaker B: Sure. Right. And he also has the very distinctive accent. [00:51:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:04] Speaker B: He has almost all of his movies, but not in this one. So I kind of like that you still hear it. It's still definitely doing an accent, I. [00:51:12] Speaker A: Think it's just that he doesn't talk about that much, so we don't notice it. [00:51:15] Speaker B: That's true. [00:51:16] Speaker A: Yeah. So I could have used more from him in here. I could have. Connery is a brilliant actor. You know, obviously. Obviously he's most famous for James Bond, but he did win an Oscar. And you get out these other roles from him in the seventies or even the sixties, like the Hill, where you can just see it under the surface, just. It's got that cool customer, but you could see the rage building up underneath him. I didn't get it here, and I wanted more from him. I'm a Connery fan. [00:51:41] Speaker B: I do want to see the hill because they talk about a lot in the book, and that's his favorite movie that he was in. Right. [00:51:46] Speaker A: But you have these, you know, these powerhouses of the sixties, and you can't get much out of them with this. And maybe it's because it's based on a true story and they felt supposedly based on a true story. Facts. I think it would have been more interesting if they had gone the Hollywood route and had that ending. [00:52:03] Speaker B: I just gave up on being a true story. [00:52:06] Speaker A: I don't know. But all that said, a spy film, it's an interesting look at, you know, going deep undercover. It was only because it reminded me of fast and furious and point break that I felt the tension on whether he was actually gonna, like, going to portray them or not. Right. Like, yeah, they didn't communicate, like, because you never made that connection. I feel like. You never felt that tension. [00:52:32] Speaker B: I didn't feel much tension about it. [00:52:34] Speaker A: Could have. Like you said, this. This is ripe for a remake. And I think, well, and if you really. Because they also never touch the labor unit and if you got into that, too, there's so much good drama that you can mine from that. No pun intended. [00:52:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, you're right, though. There's a lot of missed opportunity. [00:52:53] Speaker A: So with all that being said, it's. It's not a terrible movie. We've covered much more terrible movies on this podcast. It's not also not a great movie. So I'm straight down the middle. Five martinis out of ten. [00:53:04] Speaker B: All right, we'll take it. Five guinnesses. Anything else to say about the Molly McGuires? No, I thought it was a pretty good choice. There's a lot to talk about. [00:53:15] Speaker A: It was a good change of pace for us as well. [00:53:17] Speaker B: Absolutely, it was. [00:53:18] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Talking about Connery. Of course you think Connery. You think Bond. And if you are a James Bond fan in the DC metro area, I think I briefly mentioned it before, but there is a new James Bond fan club, so far as I can tell, the first for the DC area. I'm one of the organizers. You can find us on all those social media platforms. Capitol Royale, zero zero seven. We have our next event coming up on June 29 at Rudy's golf. It, because this. This year is the 60th anniversary of Goldfinger, we're having a golf outing in honor of the, you know, the famous scene in Goldfinger. We're calling it golf Finger. Go on our social media sign up for our mailing list. If you are interested. [00:54:07] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh, Christian, where do you find the time to do all this stuff? [00:54:10] Speaker A: Who knows? [00:54:11] Speaker B: Who knows makes it work. [00:54:13] Speaker A: Yep. Yep. All right. That being said, thank you, everyone, for listening and for joining us on our, on our look into the Molly Maguires. You can find us on social media at the Spy Fi guys on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. And you can find our merch [email protected], and of course, you can also find these podcasts on YouTube. [00:54:35] Speaker B: That's right. [00:54:36] Speaker A: Until next time, I'm Christian. [00:54:38] Speaker B: And I'm Zack. [00:54:39] Speaker A: And we are the spy fi guys signing off. Thank you for listening to the spy fi guys. 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