Speaker 0 00:00:01 A thinking man of action. We are the SPFI guys, and this is Jack Ryan. Hello, and welcome back to the SPFI guys. Your recover spy fact spy fiction and everything in between I'm Zach
Speaker 2 00:00:20 And I'm Christian.
Speaker 0 00:00:21 And today we are returning to the rerun summer covering pilots, and sometimes other episodes of various TV shows from our past this case, the more recent past, and this week we are doing the Amazon original series, Jack Ryan star and John presensky.
Speaker 2 00:00:38 And since recovering another part of the Clancy verse, we brought back our Tom Clancy fanboy, Lance.
Speaker 3 00:00:46 Hi everybody.
Speaker 0 00:00:47 Welcome back, Lance.
Speaker 3 00:00:48 Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 00:00:50 Well, Lance, I assume you've watched the show. Zach, did you ever watch the show?
Speaker 0 00:00:54 Nope. I had never seen it before.
Speaker 2 00:00:55 Oh, okay. Okay. So I watched it first run. I watched it actually while I was assembling, uh, gifts that I received from our, uh, from the bridal shower and from like the wedding. So I was assembling a bunch of furniture from that and fun. It's weirdly enough. Now, like four years later as I was re-watching this, I was assembling baby furniture from our baby shower. So, you know, it seems to be a very like, all right, I'm gonna put this on and I'm gonna assemble things. It's very dad show <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:01:25 Very shower oriented. It seems
Speaker 2 00:01:27 <laugh> apparently. Yeah. I mean, well that Jack Ryan is like the dad, it's a dad movie or a dad show.
Speaker 3 00:01:34 It totally is.
Speaker 2 00:01:35 Which I guess makes sense. Why the, I like it and you like it, Lance
Speaker 3 00:01:40 Really did like it. Yeah, it was very enjoyable. Okay.
Speaker 0 00:01:43 Yeah. I've heard all the Tom Clancy stuff is wish fulfillment for dads.
Speaker 2 00:01:47 <laugh> yeah, I can see that it
Speaker 3 00:01:51 Has the more realistic, you know, James Bond tagline of, you know, the guy everybody wants to be, but no one can be James Bond, but maybe they could be Jack Ryan.
Speaker 2 00:01:59 Maybe, maybe it depends on which Jack Ryan <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:02:03 Fair. Very fair.
Speaker 0 00:02:05 He's certainly much closer to the average person than most TV and movie protagonists, especially the ones that we cover on this show.
Speaker 2 00:02:14 Yeah. I can give I'll give you that. All right. So we are covering the pilot today. Uh, do these actually, I, I don't even know if these episodes have individual title names, do they?
Speaker 3 00:02:25 I don't think so. Cause I just watched the pilot episode the other day and the follow one episode and it was on Amazon. It was just episode one, episode two, episode three.
Speaker 0 00:02:35 <laugh> well, IMDB has names, not for pilot really, but for everything else.
Speaker 2 00:02:41 Interesting. All right. So the pilots just pilot
Speaker 0 00:02:43 That's right.
Speaker 2 00:02:44 This is not, not, I'm not sure it's a necessary, like a traditional pilot as we've been seeing them with our other shows we've covered because I think the Amazon Jack Ryan was like a straight or series order without even a pilot. So it's not like say the pilot for Chuck or burn notice where they really had to sell the show.
Speaker 0 00:03:03 Yeah. That era of pilots doing that is kind of, I think it's safe to say has died.
Speaker 2 00:03:10 Uh, not necessarily, no. I mean the, there was a game of throne, spinoff, pilot that was canceled because there was, they didn't like the pilot, so it's still out there there. I mean, there are certain things that will go straight to series order, but I think pilots are still out there. All right. Why don't we get into it, Zach, can you give us the plots and SIS from IMDB?
Speaker 0 00:03:34 Yes. In the series premiere CIA analyst, Jack Ryan uncovers a series of suspicious transactions that take him and his boss, James Greer out from behind their desks, into the field to hunt down a powerful new threat to the world. Hunting begins to question her husband's affairs after he brings in mysterious outsider into their home.
Speaker 2 00:03:53 All right. Yeah. So we start off with credits, um, very plain credits. I was like, I remember them having good credits, but I think that was the second season where they really up up the budget a little bit
Speaker 0 00:04:06 Like a psychedelic graphics for
Speaker 2 00:04:09 Their non-res. I mean, what was actually, it's more like, you know, and this is more for the second season. Like I forget what I think, like the bullet of a gun, which transforms into a yacht or not a yacht, a what kind of boat does he, or whatever kind of boat he, that he's rowing a row boat, I guess the one that he does. And then it's like all sorts of imagery that sort of fades into each other, which is kind of cool. Anyways, that was the second season, first season. It's just credits,
Speaker 3 00:04:35 Which is kind of hard to compare to like back in the movies. Cuz I think the best intro was I think Patriot games when they had the all digital ones and zeros 40 different things. Mm-hmm <affirmative> that was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 00:04:48 Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:04:48 Yeah. I did like that.
Speaker 2 00:04:50 So we start off in 1983 with the boombox and the, the boombox is playing on cassette safety dance.
Speaker 0 00:05:00 Yeah. The most eighties song do,
Speaker 2 00:05:03 Do, do, do, do, do, do, do,
Speaker 0 00:05:04 Do no stop. We're gonna get de
Speaker 2 00:05:07 <laugh> <laugh>
Speaker 0 00:05:09 I think the only thing more eighties than that would be Huey Lewis in the news.
Speaker 2 00:05:12 Oh yeah. That's good. That's good too. These two kids dancings they're in the Becca valley in Lebanon, 1983
Speaker 0 00:05:19 Immediately. I'm like, oh 1983 Lebanon. You know what that means?
Speaker 3 00:05:24 Yeah. This is not gonna go well for somebody.
Speaker 2 00:05:27 So I did not because I, I like forgot about that.
Speaker 0 00:05:31 Well, I just knew that in the eighties there's civil war and then the war Israel mm-hmm <affirmative> yeah. I didn't even know when the Marine Corps barracks bombing was. Yeah. Like I knew it was in the eighties,
Speaker 3 00:05:41 19 80, 81 ish.
Speaker 0 00:05:43 We'll get more into it on spy fact versus fiction.
Speaker 2 00:05:45 All right. So anyways, they're feeding the chickens and as they're feeding the chickens, the younger brother hears planes and we see the jets coming in and doing a bombing run. And so we see explosions and then it transitions. So like this is actually, yeah, this is one of those transitions kind of like what happens in the credit through season two, we get the bombs exploding and it transitions to the water of the Potomac mm-hmm <affirmative> where Jack Ryan is rowing. And he's looking very intense as he's doing his rowing
Speaker 0 00:06:15 And he's wearing a Boston college. T-shirt
Speaker 2 00:06:18 <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:06:18 Yeah, no comment about that. <laugh>
Speaker 0 00:06:21 You don't like Boston college.
Speaker 3 00:06:22 It's not my favorite.
Speaker 0 00:06:24 Okay. Do they even have a football team?
Speaker 3 00:06:27 Maybe? I don't know. I'm sure they do.
Speaker 0 00:06:31 I was thinking didn't tech Ryan go to the university of Michigan, but then I was like, oh no, wait, that was Harrison Ford and air force one.
Speaker 3 00:06:37 Right? I mean being,
Speaker 2 00:06:39 Oh really
Speaker 3 00:06:39 From Ohio and an Ohio state fan, I would've recognized right away if Jack riding was from Michigan and I probably would've stopped reading from, from
Speaker 2 00:06:47 There. Oh, <laugh>
Speaker 0 00:06:48 That's exactly what I would expect from an Ohio state fan.
Speaker 2 00:06:52 Alright. Let's not alienate.
Speaker 0 00:06:54 Fight, fight, fight, fight.
Speaker 2 00:06:57 I, I can say none of this because even though I went to Michigan for a while, my wife sold family is from Ohio. So yeah, this is not, we're not having this discussion here.
Speaker 3 00:07:06 <laugh> fair
Speaker 0 00:07:07 Enough. I went to Ohio recently. It was nice. I don't know why people make fun of it so much. Oh
Speaker 2 00:07:10 No. I, I like I enjoy every time I'm in Ohio, but we're not talking about Ohio on this podcast. Uh, although maybe that would get us more listeners who knows <laugh> he finishes his rowing. He's he rides his bike through Georgetown goes past the Jefferson monument.
Speaker 0 00:07:27 Okay. So this is a very famous mistake.
Speaker 2 00:07:30 We will talk about this in spy fact versus spy fiction.
Speaker 0 00:07:33 Okay. But also he wears headphones while he bikes. What an asshole.
Speaker 2 00:07:39 I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 00:07:40 Yeah, but that's typical for DC bike rider. Let's be realistic here.
Speaker 0 00:07:44 Okay. Listen, I've traveled around DC in every form of transportation, except for those scooters.
Speaker 2 00:07:50 Oh, I've taken scooters
Speaker 0 00:07:51 Because I don't wanna die.
Speaker 2 00:07:53 I
Speaker 0 00:07:54 Have bike in DC. I would never do it while we're on headphones. That is ridiculously dangerous.
Speaker 3 00:07:59 Very,
Speaker 0 00:08:00 It's a good way to get hit by a car. And he almost does.
Speaker 3 00:08:03 And oddly enough,
Speaker 2 00:08:05 <laugh> Kim getting hit by the car was not entirely his fault. So there was another car whose door was wide open, like, so he had to go around it. And that caused him to get almost hit by a car. The driver shouts at him, watch it shithead. And he says asshole.
Speaker 0 00:08:21 <laugh> I, I was like, isn't that guy from the wire?
Speaker 2 00:08:24 <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:08:25 I just assumed he had Marilyn plates.
Speaker 2 00:08:28 Ah <laugh>
Speaker 0 00:08:30 They're both in the wrong. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:08:33 So Jack bikes up to the CIA here, we see the seal, which we haven't seen in a while. Although I actually, we just did see it in alias.
Speaker 0 00:08:41 We did. Yeah. It's always nice to see it again though. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:08:44 Like in other CIA movies, when soon as they walk across the seal, the camera instantly pans over to the wall with the star. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:08:52 I was looking for that.
Speaker 3 00:08:53 They had it kind of in the background off to the left, but they didn't focus on it. And I was like, oh, well that's different.
Speaker 2 00:08:58 Yeah. Right. <laugh> it's usually the star, the seal and then the stars. But now this one just strolled right past. So we see him get into a elevator going up to the fourth floor. We find out that he's an Orioles fan. Apparently not a NATS fan. <laugh>
Speaker 0 00:09:14 Yeah. He is a transplant.
Speaker 2 00:09:15 Uh, yeah. Well we find, I think he's from like Maryland.
Speaker 3 00:09:19 Yes. Yeah. Yes. Or he lives in Maryland at least. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:09:22 Yeah. So he gets to his office, uh, bunch of cubicles. He's late for a meeting and his supervisor seems to be giving out a bunch of different assignments.
Speaker 0 00:09:33 Okay. A couple things here. He works with a terror finance and arms division, which I like that it's so specific
Speaker 3 00:09:41 And very nerdy.
Speaker 0 00:09:42 And I also have a lot that the ladies love him. Like I guess some lady was like checking him out.
Speaker 2 00:09:47 Just one of his kids. The
Speaker 0 00:09:49 One. Okay.
Speaker 2 00:09:49 Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:09:50 The girl that was, I think working from the treasury department, she was all like, oh, hi Jack. I brought you coffee and dance
Speaker 2 00:09:56 Today. <laugh> but yeah. So as this is going on, Greer is waiting outside of an office is, goes into the office and meets with a boss. We're not, I'm not actually sure who he is. Well, I know we find out later this series what his actual position is, but we find out that Greer is actually going through a divorce right now. So he is not on good terms with his wife or soon to be ex-wife he will be the new boss at T ad. Apparently they're mostly analysts, but a couple of case officers Greer thinks this is sort of a backwater post. Uh, but the boss says, no, it's a second chance and you won't get a third.
Speaker 0 00:10:37 So I seem to remember that Greer was an Admiral. So shouldn't he be in uniform?
Speaker 3 00:10:43 Not necessarily if he's working with CIA or something along those lines, um, especially if he may even be retired at this point. Mm-hmm <affirmative> so it, yeah, it makes actually perfect sense that he would be in civilian clothes cuz you don't see a whole lot of uniforms running around CIA.
Speaker 2 00:11:01 And I think the only time we actually see Greer in uniform, other than presumably when he was buried, uh, was watching when he in Ron for red October.
Speaker 3 00:11:09 Yes. Yes. When he report the destroyer and he had that famous line where he was like telling the petty officer, you
Speaker 2 00:11:17 Know, I was never as far as you know happened.
Speaker 3 00:11:19 Exactly. Exactly.
Speaker 2 00:11:21 Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:11:22 Yeah. I didn't remember it super well. I just remember he's always admir career
Speaker 2 00:11:27 Back in Jack's meeting, he's about to get an assignment when Greer enters, it says he's the new group chief, one of Jack's colleagues, uh, whispers to Jack that used to be station chief of Karachi. Uh, and of course when he's going through around the room and asking everyone for introductions, Greer recognizes him, calls him Lance Armstrong.
Speaker 3 00:11:48 Yes.
Speaker 0 00:11:49 Yeah. It was kind of funny where he is like maybe he doesn't remember maybe or he, he won't recognize me, but it doesn't work.
Speaker 3 00:11:55 No such luck.
Speaker 2 00:11:56 No. So we find out that Jack works, uh, Yemen, he monitors swift transactions and he says he's seen a few suspicious ones, which leads him to think that there might be a high level target. Greer wants to know who, uh, the name is Soloman, which means man of peace. Apparently the people were talking about him with sort of real reverence and you know, it could be like the next bin Laden.
Speaker 0 00:12:19 Well, I don't think Jack says that. No, but that's what Greer says. Making fun of him. Yeah. And by the way, wasn't this in some of all fears too, when Jack Ryan has a somewhat out there theory that nobody believes and then turns out to be true.
Speaker 2 00:12:32 That's every Jack Ryan movie, that's
Speaker 3 00:12:34 Every Jack Ryan movie. I mean the same thing, like the big one in hunt for red October when he was like, oh, captain ramus is actually defecting and not wanting to launch a nuclear strike and everybody looks at him like he's insane. Mm-hmm
Speaker 2 00:12:46 <affirmative> okay.
Speaker 0 00:12:46 Yeah. So it's just tradition then
Speaker 2 00:12:48 This time it's not him sort of whispering and then, excuse me, do you have something louder to say, well, and then something like that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:12:56 Right. You have something
Speaker 2 00:12:58 Jack Brian <laugh> Greer was like, how come you're the only one who knows about him? Jack says, well, you know, he has to cobble together intelligence from two different databases that aren't meant to talk to each other, which sounds like he needs the intersect or something similar <laugh>
Speaker 0 00:13:12 Must be why they keep inventing it in all these other
Speaker 2 00:13:15 TV shows <laugh>. But as soon as he starts talking about SQL queries, Greer is like next <laugh>. So Jack and his colleagues after the meeting discussed why Greer was P and G back to headquarters, they have all these theories.
Speaker 0 00:13:29 Yeah. One of them says he did a Colonel Kurtz in the desert, which is a solid reference. I like that. But it also is like, wait a minute. So you're saying we're like had a personal fiefdom and did all the, I kind of wanted to hear more about that. Maybe it's in the show later. I assume that is
Speaker 3 00:13:46 What I think they're referring to is that you don't necessarily go from a high profile station, chief job in Karara to where he is now. Right. Something had to seriously get screwed up somewhere along the way. And he took the blame for it probably as the station chief. No, this is your fault. Mm-hmm <affirmative> so kinda like it goes back to, oh, this is a second chance to where okay, you screw it up. But you know, you're still have a reputation, whatever we like you. So we're not gonna completely toss you off of the wayside, but here is this, you know, kind of like shithole assignment that we're gonna throw you into. Good luck. Go forth and screw up no more.
Speaker 0 00:14:26 <laugh> just like that dude in Charlie Wilson's war.
Speaker 3 00:14:30 Exactly.
Speaker 2 00:14:31 Yeah. That you that's pretty good analogy. Uh, oof. Gus GU what's his last name?
Speaker 0 00:14:36 Philip Seymour Hoffman.
Speaker 2 00:14:38 Yeah. But yes guy. Yeah. Anyways. So next we go to a woman who's in a hijab. Who's running the way it's framed. It looks like she's fleeing, but actually she's running towards a soccer ball to kick it, uh, to play with her kids. And we are in, uh, Syria. There's a bunch of armed men watching them.
Speaker 0 00:14:59 Yeah. Syria is the foreign country dejo right now.
Speaker 2 00:15:03 So, uh, convoy with a bunch of men with guns approaches,
Speaker 0 00:15:07 I was like, okay, here we go. I'm making a prediction right now. She's Soman.
Speaker 2 00:15:12 <laugh> interesting.
Speaker 0 00:15:13 She's the power behind the throne. Like she's the real mastermind. That's my prediction. It didn't turn out to be true, at least on this episode.
Speaker 2 00:15:21 Yeah. So they ask if she, so on his home, she says that he's away or no. One of the other guards says that he's away. And then honey, which is her, uh, the woman in the hijabs name speaks up and says that his business is his own. And apparently her husband requested that a man stay with them in the compound and we meet him. And he's white.
Speaker 0 00:15:42 Yes. I guess that's why they decide to share that with us.
Speaker 2 00:15:44 Yeah. We go back to Jack Ryan. Who's returning home. He's watching jeopardy knows all the answers to the questions.
Speaker 0 00:15:52 Something I wanted to jump in here. I'm officially smarter than Jack Ryan guys.
Speaker 2 00:15:57 Oh
Speaker 0 00:15:57 Yeah. Because he answers the question NASET. It's supposed to be, what is acid Jack? Ryan. You idiot.
Speaker 3 00:16:08 So you're, you're more culturally aware than Jack Ryan.
Speaker 2 00:16:11 <laugh>
Speaker 0 00:16:11 I would've gotten the question, right. Actually. No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't have known the answer, but at least I knew how to answer it.
Speaker 2 00:16:16 <laugh> oh,
Speaker 3 00:16:18 Fair enough. We'll give you that one.
Speaker 2 00:16:19 All. So he gets a call from Joe, who is his, uh, former boss. Apparently they haven't talked about five years, but Joe wants to get together, talk about something, but he doesn't want to talk about it on the phone. Joe says, come by the house, I'm having a small gathering of friends. And you know, I'm not asking as your former boss, I'm asking as a friend,
Speaker 0 00:16:39 How nice.
Speaker 3 00:16:40 I think they were trying to tie in a little bit here of Jack Ryan's non intelligence pass to where, you know, what did he do after? Could we find out again, uh, kind of like, you know, you can't have Batman without explaining that that his parents were killed and he was an orphan mm-hmm <affirmative> with Jack. He had the helicopter accident after he graduated from the Naval academy. What did he do after that? So he did have some financial dealings. I think he worked with like in the books, it was like Merrill Lynch or something along those lines. Right?
Speaker 0 00:17:09 Yeah. Then he had to get a PhD.
Speaker 3 00:17:12 Right. But he has PhD in history.
Speaker 2 00:17:16 Oh. Was in, it's not in, I
Speaker 3 00:17:18 Believe it's history.
Speaker 2 00:17:19 Uh,
Speaker 0 00:17:19 Yeah. In the books and the original movies. It definitely was history. They changed it for this series. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:17:26 Like I'm trying to think actually, if we've in any of the other movies that we've covered so far, have we seen his sort of financial background?
Speaker 0 00:17:34 Not to my memory. So yeah.
Speaker 2 00:17:36 It may have been mentioned offhandedly, like in someone going through his file, but I don't think we've actually seen it. Him in his bed. He has a metronome going and he's like watching the ceiling fan. Cause he can't sleep. He's getting flashbacks of a kid with a Polaroid camera, flash of a helicopter and just can't sleep. So he decides to go into the office early.
Speaker 0 00:17:59 I quite like that. He's still messed up from the helicopter crash. It explains some of his like weirdness tendencies, uh, maybe his, his slight in consideration for the Dr. Drivers.
Speaker 2 00:18:13 <laugh> on
Speaker 0 00:18:14 The road, things like that. So I, I like they put it in there without totally overdoing it.
Speaker 2 00:18:20 I don't think we've actually seen other well to this. All the movies we've covered movies and TV shows we we've covered so far. We have not actually seen the actual helicopter crash
Speaker 0 00:18:28 Yet. No, they just talk about it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:18:30 Yeah. I don't even think in the books, they even go into any detail of what happened with the helicopter accident. I think they just said that he was in an accident, but also this was obviously with the books anyway, prior to nine 11 global war terrorism, so and so forth. So you had to come up with something. Helicopters are notorious for crashes because you know, physics doesn't like helicopters
Speaker 2 00:18:54 <laugh>
Speaker 0 00:18:54 Mm-hmm <affirmative>
Speaker 3 00:18:56 But at least with this, they were already trying to tie it to where there was something, um, in either Iraq or Afghanistan that caused some type of incident that caused the helicopter crash.
Speaker 2 00:19:08 Right.
Speaker 0 00:19:09 I think in the, in the old books and movies, the injuries from the helicopter crash were all physical and not mental. So that's again like modernizing.
Speaker 3 00:19:19 Yes and no, because they did have like, even in the hunt for red October movie, they were always talking about, about how Jack hated to fly.
Speaker 2 00:19:26 Uh that's right. Yeah. Where
Speaker 3 00:19:27 He was like, you know, next time Jack send a fucking email or something along those
Speaker 2 00:19:31 Lines. <laugh>
Speaker 0 00:19:32 Yeah. Good point. Good point.
Speaker 2 00:19:34 He's running his SQL query. People start to arrive in the office after a time, you know, at a normal time. Uh, and then his coworker there, the one who's got a crush on him clearly brought him coffee and a pastry.
Speaker 0 00:19:47 Yeah. My note is Theresa simp. That's what the kids say. <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:19:54 On
Speaker 0 00:19:54 It. I kept
Speaker 2 00:19:56 Oh, oh,
Speaker 3 00:19:57 Oh, precious, precious, sad.
Speaker 0 00:19:58 What am I wrong?
Speaker 2 00:20:00 Uh,
Speaker 3 00:20:02 Sadly. No,
Speaker 0 00:20:02 Thank you.
Speaker 2 00:20:04 Sadly for Theresa, he sort of brushes her off and goes to talk to Greer.
Speaker 0 00:20:09 Yeah. My new is he's planning something.
Speaker 2 00:20:11 Yeah. Well, so he tells Greer that he's been monitoring financial transactions through track Euro, which is a mobile app that people use to transfer money. When did Venmo start
Speaker 3 00:20:24 Late? Recently
Speaker 0 00:20:25 Thousands
Speaker 3 00:20:26 Early
Speaker 2 00:20:26 Like
Speaker 3 00:20:27 20
Speaker 2 00:20:27 Before or after this movie came or the show came out. Cause that like, I feel like existed before prob it probably was during, so they got the inspiration. But by the time that this came out, maybe a lot of people didn't necessarily know about it or it wasn't as widespread as it is now. Whereas now you wouldn't have to explain a mobile app that uses, you know, money transfers.
Speaker 0 00:20:49 You're saying this is a machine that thinks
Speaker 2 00:20:52 <laugh> anyway. So the, the transactions that he's been tracking were actually made by a shell company, apparently they're total of 9 million. He wants a demarche, which will freeze the account. And Greer says you're not there yet. Ryan is like, you know, nine, 11 only costs half a million dollars. Think what they can do would 20 times that, but Greer dismisses him.
Speaker 3 00:21:16 Okay. And I, and I can see what white Jack's kind of little incense a little bit because he's, he's been there for a while. I think he has been there. I think he said
Speaker 2 00:21:24 For said four years, almost four years. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:21:26 So, I mean, he's been studying Yemen and Yemen probably at the time. Not necessarily being the whole hotbed of terrorism activity in the sense that, you know, like say Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, right?
Speaker 2 00:21:39 Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:21:39 Um, even horn of Africa, uh, to a certain extent, especially, you know, having covered Yemen at one point in time in, in a different life's like, yeah, I had kind of boring
Speaker 2 00:21:48 <laugh> right. I remember Yemen mostly as a joke, like, oh, in friends where Chandler says, uh, they're trans because he is trying to get out of relationships. Uh, they trans me to where, uh, Yemen <laugh> and he goes to Yemen for a little bit.
Speaker 0 00:22:06 Hmm. It also reminds me of Garfield sending normal to Abu Dhabi
Speaker 2 00:22:10 <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:22:11 If he's seeing something that's, that's definitely outta the ordinary that, that peaks his interest, especially with, you know, a financial interest, which I mean good, better and different. That's what he knows in particular. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. And so, I mean, he's, he's excited. He's he's got this, you know, he thinks in his mind because he's single minded focused mm-hmm <affirmative> that, oh yeah. I've got all this, you know, evidence which, you know, Greer looks at and is like, okay, that's one tiny piece of the puzzle. So, but I'm not gonna go do anything and, you know, go find me other stuff. Mm-hmm
Speaker 0 00:22:45 <affirmative> yeah. Well Greer is also this new guide coming weight around. Yep.
Speaker 3 00:22:51 Exactly. Ryan also not taking into account, you know, you know, even though career may have, or may not have screwed up, which we don't know at this point in the pilot. Right. He's like, okay. Yeah. You're the new guy here, you know, WT after, you know,
Speaker 2 00:23:04 <laugh>
Speaker 0 00:23:05 Yeah. I can see why it builds resent. And now that it justifies what he does later.
Speaker 3 00:23:09 Yeah. No. And, but in defense of Jack, you know, at the same time, you know, Greer also being the new guy bitter about where he at is and so on and so forth, you know, just flat out dismisses Ryan, but doesn't explain why he's dismissing him or that there's other options that they could do and doesn't know Ryan or what Ryan would be willing to do. So, I mean, there is, there's kind of fault on both sides.
Speaker 2 00:23:34 Oh yeah, yeah. Uh, so we go over to Haine who is making tea, um, brings some to her guest who is in a room with a lot of computers and a lot of, of guns. And we see that her guests and someone else are filling up, uh, liquid in bottles.
Speaker 0 00:23:51 My theory that she's the mastermind is starting to become undermined.
Speaker 2 00:23:55 So Jack, uh, talks to supervisor, I see. Or just one of his colleagues, I'm not sure what her position is.
Speaker 3 00:24:02 So she, in, in that cell, there's probably a whole bunch of different things. They're probably looking at a particular area with Ryan, you know, focusing mainly on Yemen. So they're going to have people from different places. They're probably have somebody from, you know, defense intelligence agency, DIA. They may have somebody from state department, uh, in this case, since they're monitoring financial transactions and so on, so forth, she could be department of treasuries representative, which she actually turns out to be.
Speaker 2 00:24:33 No, that was up. No, I'm not talking about her. I'm talking about the, the one with the glasses.
Speaker 3 00:24:37 Oh, with
Speaker 2 00:24:38 The glasses. No, Theresa's one of his buddies I got yeah. One of his buddies anyways. He's yeah. Talking to her. I don't remember what her name is
Speaker 3 00:24:46 She? The fantasy football person.
Speaker 2 00:24:48 Yeah, I think so. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:24:50 Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:24:52 Like she was the one who was handing out assignments in, in the beginning of the meeting before Greer came in, Jack says that he, he thinks GRE is scared, but she points out that he doesn't have the authority to write a demarche that's in a treasury was like, Hmm. Treasury, you say, wow. So he goes over to talk to therea, who is apparently treasury is, uh, represented, as you were saying, Lance, Jack points out that she doesn't work for Greer and then flirts with her to get her to do, make the DeMar. And I like, there's this buildup of like, alright. And she just does like two keystrokes and you see just a little progress bar. And he is like, wait, was that it?
Speaker 0 00:25:30 <laugh>. Yeah. I wonder if it's some kind of commentary about how easy it would be to get things done if only for the bureaucracy and getting permission and things like that.
Speaker 2 00:25:40 Probably a bit of that. And also pro like just sort of, uh, subverting expectations of this whole big thing of all, like, you know, with you thought it was gonna be like the whole big thing that was in, uh, clear and present danger where it's the whole computer hacking war as they're, as they're doing. But no, it's just click a few buns done.
Speaker 0 00:25:57 Yeah. I then let the shit storm begin. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:25:59 Yeah. We go back to Haen with her kids. She's got, got dinner ready. They're outside making chalk outlines, which I guess makes her think about dead bodies or like she like lingers at staring at them for a while. I
Speaker 0 00:26:12 Mean, they did kind of look like dead
Speaker 2 00:26:14 Bodies. I, I mean, I guess that, I assume that was the implication, but they don't spell it out. Right. And then she sees a truck leaving, that's loading up oil, all of oil crates, which took me a lot of realize like, oh, that's what those bottles that they were loading up. Looked like olive oil.
Speaker 0 00:26:31 Uh, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:26:32 So we go over Greer in his office. Someone is calling him or at least trying to fi find the head of T ad didn't realize it would be Greer. They're calling it's Pete who's name. I did not write down calling from the CIA annex and the us embassy in Yemen.
Speaker 0 00:26:48 This was really funny. It was a very logical way for him to get found out.
Speaker 2 00:26:53 Yeah. Yeah. So he was calling about the dammar, which Greer is like, I didn't know what a dammar well, someone in TFA did, uh, so says, let me call you back, gets Jack into the office. He's rightly pissed off.
Speaker 0 00:27:08 Okay. But why isn't he mad at Teresa? She's the one who did it
Speaker 2 00:27:11 Because he knows that therea would not actually do it without prodding from Jack.
Speaker 3 00:27:18 He just had that whole conversation with Jack. Yeah. And if Theresa is there as a representative from treasury, he may or may not have any direct control over her
Speaker 2 00:27:31 Period. Yeah. True. Couldn't actually, you know, penalize her in any ways. Really.
Speaker 3 00:27:36 Exactly. And as far as she knows, you know, Jack told her, Hey, you know, this is all well and good. So go ahead.
Speaker 2 00:27:44 Yeah. But yeah, so he's pissed off and
Speaker 0 00:27:48 Yeah, my note is that he's very, he's very sarcastic, but I don't have exactly what he says.
Speaker 2 00:27:52 Well says, one of the things he says is, okay, say, say, you're right. What do you think that Soman is gonna do? If he finds out that the state entity froze his bank accounts, he's gonna run. Instead, we could have watched them, we could monitored. We could taken down the whole network and then Jack counters, or we could watch as they take all that money and did nothing.
Speaker 0 00:28:14 Hmm. Wow. They both made good points. So this was something that I know. So this was something in the looming tower that they talk about, which is the FBI and the CA not getting along. And this is a perfect example of that. Or if the FBI finds a terrorist, they want to immediately arrest him, whereas the CAA wants to follow. Right. So there's a tension. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:28:33 We go over to Yemen where there's a bunch of guys who are watching a bank manager, this kind of threw like for a minute or so. I wasn't sure if the guy, the white guy who was there, like with a head with like a head scarf was the guest from, uh, honey's house. Cause they're both white bearded in a middle Eastern country.
Speaker 0 00:28:58 I didn't think they looked at similar personally.
Speaker 2 00:29:00 Yeah. I mean like, I, I, I don't. Yeah, but it was not. We find out later this guy's name's Matis. So I'll just call him Matisse from, from here on out.
Speaker 0 00:29:08 Yeah. So this, this whole part was just basically zero dark 30 that drying around listening in. I like the part where the, the woman agent has the microphone and like doesn't work
Speaker 2 00:29:20 In a pen. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:29:21 Yeah. Who's got a lip reader in a foreign country, in a foreign language. That's not easy.
Speaker 2 00:29:27 Like they're trying to find, see who he's meeting with. Can't hear anything. Um, and then the two people they're meeting with leave. And so they decide, all right, we're gonna cut the bank manager loose and stay on the other two guys. So they follow them and then TAs them and take them.
Speaker 0 00:29:46 Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if this was heavily in points by zero dark 30. Cuz it did feel like they were going after the courier to get the lot
Speaker 2 00:29:53 In oh yeah. Good point.
Speaker 3 00:29:54 Well, there's a, there's a number of, I think spy movies where, or that's that's the case.
Speaker 0 00:29:59 Yeah. I'm sure
Speaker 2 00:30:01 Greer is looking up. Jack's record. We see that he was a Marine. We there's a mention of a helicopter crash, which, and he gets a call from Pete who says, you're not gonna believe this in the most like TRO sort of star Trek. You better get down here or sir kind of way,
Speaker 0 00:30:20 You didn't have to see this yourself.
Speaker 2 00:30:22 <laugh> captain
Speaker 3 00:30:24 Of the bridge. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:30:26 We go to Jack going to the party. It's at a nice big house, somewhere on either the Potomac or the Chesapeake. We're not, not sure which of the presumably yeah. One of those, which part of the, uh, DC Metro area. It is in, but it's a nice big house. And he sees Joe and he says, wow, you kinda UN undersold the party.
Speaker 0 00:30:47 Yeah. He's like, he's just a few friends getting together or whatever.
Speaker 2 00:30:50 Yeah. He says he wants him to look at something. Um, he is like, no, you know, I left wall street for reasons. Yeah. Well this is not, not in that way. You know, this is, I have a account new account in South Korea. What is state department saying about North Korea? And he is like, you know, it's like, that's not really how it works. Like, well, you know, just tell me which way is the wind blowing it? You know, am I gonna get screwed here? You know, I can cut you in. He is like, no, I, I, I can't do this. I can't help you.
Speaker 0 00:31:16 This was my favorite part of the whole
Speaker 2 00:31:18 Episode. <laugh> well,
Speaker 3 00:31:20 This is kinda like where I, I hate using the phrase cover story. Cause it wasn't really isn't but where Jack didn't really tell anybody that, you know, he's an analyst for the CIA that he actually is, you know, does reports and stuff for the state department, which is why Joe was asking himself the state department think about this, what they think about that, you know, trying to get some insider trading, sneaky stuff, Uhhuh.
Speaker 2 00:31:42 Yep.
Speaker 0 00:31:42 But that's what I liked about it is that it doesn't seem sneaky. Okay. It seems like such a little thing to ask, basically he's just like up or down, like thumbs up upper thumbs down or North Korea. That's not a big deal. Right? You can tell me that.
Speaker 3 00:31:57 Totally sneaky. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:31:59 It, it felt, yeah, it felt very real. Mm-hmm <affirmative> and it seemed like the kind of thing Jack, Ryan would've to deal with a lot.
Speaker 3 00:32:04 Oh, very, very, very real. And in the books, there was at some point in time, one of the reasons why Jack got out of financial trading and so and so forth was cuz there was some allegations of insider trading and so on, so forth, which is prominent in, in the later books. Ah, so with this guy asking Jack about what, what, what's the state department thing about this, you know, trying to get ahead of the game, should he sell? Should he buy so on and so forth? Mm-hmm <affirmative> very sneaky.
Speaker 0 00:32:30 Yeah. I remember when Jack doesn't help him, it turns ugly.
Speaker 2 00:32:33 Yeah. He says this whole self-righteous Bo scout, you know, act sometimes it's gonna fail you and you're gonna realize you actually do want all this, but by then it'll be too late.
Speaker 0 00:32:43 Wow. It escalated quickly.
Speaker 3 00:32:45 <laugh> which kind of goes back to what, what I thought of in, um, I think it's Patriot games when um, the Mon guys, oh, when they try to figure out, oh my God, that the CA actually was sponsoring the special forces dudes running around and finish with whatever. Oh
Speaker 0 00:33:00 That's that's clear and presentation
Speaker 3 00:33:01 Or clear and presentation. You're right. And the guy's like Jack, you are such a boy
Speaker 2 00:33:05 Scout. Yep. <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:33:07 Every time such a boy
Speaker 2 00:33:08 Scout. Oh yeah. That was uh, not Kittridge. I don't remember what he's Kittridge in mission possible. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:33:14 The guy from mission impossible.
Speaker 2 00:33:15 Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. So he goes over to the bar and meets he's a girl there and she usually comments wow. Way to piss off the host. And we find out this is actually Cathy, who is Joe's daughter.
Speaker 0 00:33:28 <laugh> what a cliche <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:33:31 But she is not bothered. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:33:33 But yeah, very true to the, the Jack Ryan story in the books
Speaker 2 00:33:37 Really? That it was shows. Oh, I didn't know that. Okay. Interesting. Apparently she is a doctor at Washington Memorial. Is that a real hospital here? I don't. So I
Speaker 3 00:33:46 Don't think so. I don't think so.
Speaker 2 00:33:48 <laugh> uh, but yeah, she's a studies infectious diseases. So not an ophthalmologist or ophthalmological surgeon or what actually, whatever she usually is.
Speaker 3 00:33:58 I doctor
Speaker 2 00:33:59 As some sort of eye doctor. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:34:01 I wonder why they changed it is an eye doctor. Not exciting enough.
Speaker 2 00:34:05 Well, you'll see why if you watch the rest of the series, but let, let just say that the, uh, infectious disease is, is uh, oh, okay. Quite topical. <laugh>
Speaker 0 00:34:14 Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 00:34:16 So yeah, he says it's cover is state. Well, he doesn't say he is coverable. What he says is, uh, he works at the state department supply chain logistics and he is like, wow, that's very HES like boring. And as soon as he says boring, we hear a helicopter flying really low and lands, although long. And it's the coast guard and they're looking for Jack and I love how I was like Dr. Ryan, Dr. Ryan. And you see his hand just sort of raise, you know, like, huh? What?
Speaker 3 00:34:42 Yes. Um, right here. Pick me.
Speaker 0 00:34:44 Yeah. So a couple thoughts about this part of, of, okay. I have three number one. Yeah. This is talking about dad. Wish fulfillment where right. The girl you're into, she just happens to be standing right there. When the military calls you to
Speaker 2 00:34:57 Battle, like it's a hell of a way to make an exit. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:35:00 Yeah. I second, why couldn't they just have called him on the phone?
Speaker 2 00:35:04 Maybe they tried and couldn't get, reach, get ahold of him.
Speaker 0 00:35:06 Yeah. And then finally he drinks blue moon. An excellent choice.
Speaker 2 00:35:10 Mm-hmm <affirmative> yeah,
Speaker 3 00:35:12 He does.
Speaker 2 00:35:13 So I like where he's like, as they're taking him away, it's like, like, you know, hold on just a moment. Like, you know, could we, and he tries to talk to Kathy, could we maybe sometimes that they just pull him away before he could even like get her number.
Speaker 3 00:35:24 He's like, gimme your keys. I gonna drive your car.
Speaker 2 00:35:26 Yeah. Yeah. I like that detail. It's like someone says, yeah, someone is ordered to drive his car back to his place.
Speaker 0 00:35:32 Yeah. That was a good detail too. Very realistic. And uh, just so, so cute that he is like, give me your number. <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:35:39 Wait. I, I just wanna point out something that Zach, as a officially blessed off and liked the fact that there was a very specific detail from a Tom Clancy novel
Speaker 2 00:35:49 Book. Right. Because you've harped on how there's too many details.
Speaker 3 00:35:55 Very much. So wait,
Speaker 0 00:35:57 What? Tell
Speaker 3 00:35:58 All of them <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:36:00 Anyway, so he's get, get it into the helicopter. They landed an airfield where Greer is there. And he says that the accountant, you froze. Well, some we picked up someone related to it or at least S a D did, which I, I, I will say that for a division that does a lot of scary things. It's just so funny to me that they have that their acronym is sad.
Speaker 0 00:36:25 Nah, that's probably why they say S a D and not sad. Exactly. So, yeah. So this part, is there aircraft carrier here? Or is it just a lot plans?
Speaker 2 00:36:32 Just they're like an airstrip or something
Speaker 3 00:36:35 They're supposed to be I'm guessing because of the area, like, they're like, oh, they went up to Andrew's air force base. Yeah. Which is not very far. But if you look in the background, there's a bunch of B 50 twos there with the tail designation of LA.
Speaker 0 00:36:49 Oof. I did not see that.
Speaker 3 00:36:51 Which is the national guard designation for Louisiana, so,
Speaker 2 00:36:55 Huh. They probably filmed it there. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:36:57 They filmed it at Barksdale air force base.
Speaker 2 00:36:59 Oh, cool.
Speaker 0 00:37:01 I, I have a note now it's Tom Clancy.
Speaker 2 00:37:04 <laugh> yeah.
Speaker 3 00:37:05 Wait, I spent three years of my life at, at Barksdale. So I'm very familiar with that. See, cool. Tail designation. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:37:12 Jack is told that, uh, S a D and the Yemenis will run the interrogation. This is where we get the classic Jack Ryan. I can't go to
Speaker 3 00:37:21 <laugh>. I'm just an analyst.
Speaker 2 00:37:23 <laugh> and the Greer says, get on the plane. <laugh>
Speaker 0 00:37:26 Yeah. Refusing the call to adventure is mandatory. Of course.
Speaker 2 00:37:30 Yes. Every, every Jack Ryan movie <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:37:32 But the, but it was, it was the wa Guer said it. That was like, dude, just get on the goddamn plane.
Speaker 2 00:37:38 <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:37:39 Just
Speaker 2 00:37:39 Go. We and Jack are brought to a black site called cobalt, which is in the CWA mountains in ye Jack meets Matis, who was the guy from before. And when he finds out that Jack, you know, does financial stuff, he says, you got any tips I'm trying to, you know, expand my portfolio, diversify <laugh>. So they go into the black site in the particular cell where, uh, the two men are being held there's loud country music being played
Speaker 0 00:38:07 Well's music. Torture.
Speaker 3 00:38:08 Yes. Yes.
Speaker 2 00:38:10 But particularly it's country music, which I like that's it. Cuz. So like other times when I've seen it portrayed, it's like, uh, like rap or other things that is, I guess it just, the loudness is well,
Speaker 3 00:38:21 Well back when, when, uh, we were in Panama trying to get Noriega, uh, they were actually blasting heavy metal.
Speaker 2 00:38:27 Ah, yeah. Trying
Speaker 3 00:38:28 To this palace.
Speaker 0 00:38:30 I did bar trivia for a music round and the theme, which you could not have guessed, you had to know it. And the theme was songs that they had used to torture detainee. Wow.
Speaker 2 00:38:40 To
Speaker 0 00:38:40 Watch bay.
Speaker 2 00:38:42 Wow.
Speaker 0 00:38:43 And the only songs I remember from that was, I love you. You love me from barn, the dinosaur. Wow. Which is very ironic and born in the USA by Bruce. Wow.
Speaker 3 00:38:55 I'm not gonna lie. If someone made me sit there and listen to, I love you. You love me from bar. I'm telling them whatever they wanna know. I'll even make stuff up just to make it stop.
Speaker 0 00:39:04 Yeah. I mean, I assume you can Google that and find it, but that was my source.
Speaker 2 00:39:07 They turn on a bunch of bright lights, take the hoods off the prisoners. They tell Jack, you know, where they found them. And Jack wants to see the phone that they had on them. He calls it. Apparently it's the same or uses his cell phone to call it. Or I don't know which, which way it went, but he forgets the number. Apparently it's the same phone number as all the transfers they were tracking.
Speaker 0 00:39:29 Yes. That's a little convenient, but okay. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:39:33 So they take, uh, one of the guys, the guy who seemed to be in charges, there was one guy who was in charge and there was a, uh, bodyguard outside at the main entry point, uh, that we see a bunch of trucks pull up. The watch guard says that he knows them
Speaker 0 00:39:49 Immediately suspicious. Yeah. Oh, he knows them. Okay.
Speaker 2 00:39:53 So the people in the truck say that they have four more bodies that were cleared in a drone strike for you to identify and you know, cross off your list.
Speaker 3 00:40:01 Yeah. There's so many problems with that whole scene versus reality.
Speaker 0 00:40:05 Yeah. I mean the bodies didn't look like they had gotten blown up by a drone in my uninformed opinion.
Speaker 3 00:40:10 Well, there, there there's that, but also the way they were coming up to, uh, the gate there would've been a series of turns they would've had to do, which plays an important role in about 10 minutes in, later into the
Speaker 2 00:40:24 Scene. Oh, right. Like in uh, zero,
Speaker 0 00:40:27 Dark 30,
Speaker 2 00:40:27 30. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:40:29 Oh no. I refuse to see that movie, but that's neither here or nor there.
Speaker 0 00:40:31 Well, but in this case they trusted the guys in the truck, so they would've let them drive right up to it. No matter how long it took
Speaker 3 00:40:38 No necess, no. What I'm getting at is that there would've been like a bunch of
Speaker 0 00:40:42 Like barriers,
Speaker 3 00:40:43 Concrete blocks and, and stuff like that, uh, to where they would've had to like constantly made like a snake type turn to get to that point.
Speaker 2 00:40:50 They couldn't build up speed
Speaker 3 00:40:52 So they couldn't build up speed. So they couldn get trapped if they were a suicide bomber or if so on and so forth. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:40:58 Yeah. I guess that comes into play later.
Speaker 3 00:40:59 Yep. It, it totally does. And plus they would've actually done a better inspection of the bodies to make sure they were dead before actually bringing them into the facility.
Speaker 0 00:41:10 Yeah. I mean, they had to carry the idiot ball a little bit for this plot to work
Speaker 3 00:41:13 And they did, and I wasn't too upset about because it was a plot point, but in reality that never, ever, ever would've happened. Right.
Speaker 2 00:41:23 Anyways. So we go back to Jack who is in the, uh, room with the bodyguard and Jack gives him some food and you know, told him, you know, it's not, not poisoned. They, he even trades plates with them to show that it's not, you know, there's nothing in it. Jack says that he knows that he can understand English cuz his head popped up. When they mentioned the money transfers. The bodyguard asks Jack if heaps people often, no, this is actually my first time says he's just an analyst works behind a desk.
Speaker 0 00:41:52 So sharing so much stuff about him.
Speaker 2 00:41:54 <laugh> yeah. Jack asks about the scars on his hand. He says they're old wound from when he was a boy
Speaker 0 00:42:00 In Lebanon in 1983. Oh my gosh. It's all coming together.
Speaker 2 00:42:04 Soldiers bring the bodies into a cooler, turns out. One of those bodies is still alive. And so here's where I wasn't sure was this a mask or was this someone's face that they had cut off and he put on that. I think it was someone question
Speaker 3 00:42:17 I'm willing to bet it was someone's face that they actually cut off a dead body.
Speaker 2 00:42:21 Yeah. And he grabs guns that were stored inside another dead body, which I was like, oh,
Speaker 0 00:42:27 I was like, didn't they do this in the dark night
Speaker 2 00:42:30 Kind. They did.
Speaker 3 00:42:31 But, but that actually was, is not something that's uncommon. Especially in Afghanistan where they would actually put IEDs inside the bodies of, um, dead animals that would be like, you know, hit by a car on the side of the road. And so they would, you know, stuff the body with explosive and so forth. So when Congress would go by, they would detonate, uh, we used to refer them as ed donkey IEDs, which was kind of gross, but, but true. So I mean that actually is a real thing that they would do
Speaker 0 00:43:01 Somehow. I don't think it would actually have worked if they had tried this in real life.
Speaker 2 00:43:05 Well, we see that they actually had like, they were, weren't just in the bodies. They were in like plastic bags to keep it from, you know, get all the fluids, getting into the gums.
Speaker 3 00:43:16 <laugh> which actually I, I thought was pretty smart. Yeah. Um, I mean, if you take away the other stuff, the fact that they were, you know, wrapping stuff to where, okay. Yeah. We were going to use this so it can't afford to get icky. You know, I imagine intestines do not work well with, you know, moving parts of a, of a rifle.
Speaker 2 00:43:33 <laugh> no, not quite. We go back to Jack who is still talking with the bodyguard. He asks how he knows the other man. The bodyguard says that, you know, he doesn't really talk much to his clients and then Jack, you know, says, all right, have you ever heard the name? Suliman and the bodyguard's like, yeah, that's a pretty common name. You're gonna have to be more specific
Speaker 0 00:43:52 <laugh> he knows what he is talking about.
Speaker 2 00:43:55 <laugh> yeah. Guard is back in his watch tower sees the car, approaching thinks it's guy, same guy says how much you wanna bet. You know, he's gonna ask for more money. But then he notice the guy starts driving towards the gate before it gets to the gate, they shoot up the car and it stops. But then it explodes and causes a giant hole in the, uh, compound.
Speaker 0 00:44:17 Oh my goodness. It's so scary. I did not find this battle. Exciting. I just found it scary.
Speaker 2 00:44:21 Mm-hmm <affirmative> yeah. So Jack here's the explosion seat goes to see what happened. Greer tells him to go back in the room, lock the door, forces outside are getting overwhelmed. The attackers have RPGs. They blow up bunch of the different like watch towers, pots.
Speaker 0 00:44:39 Yeah. That was scary too. It's like, oh my gosh, sandbags, aren't doing anything. I also noticed that they used a mortar and it's very close. It looks like it's like 20 feet away from the gate. <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:44:48 Yeah, there was a whole bunch of things that were, that were definitely movie versus reality. Like for instance, in the different guard towers, especially at night, they would've used night vision looking out over the perimeter. So they would've been able to see other people approaching with RPGs.
Speaker 0 00:45:04 Oh good point. The
Speaker 3 00:45:06 Different things that they were using, uh, we were, would refer to the type of attack that they were using as a complex attack, which means you're using different styles and different forms of attack. Like the I E D uh, and the vehicle going off, that would be one. But then they followed through with people coming in with, you know, AK 47 S actually with a persistent attack, they would be referred to as a complex attack, the IEDs and the way they responded back to it. Okay. Yeah. That's, that's definitely some Hollywood stuff going on. There, there would've been some type of communication going on for some type of air support or whatever, since they were in Yemen, probably drone related, so on and so forth. Well, it was, it it's neat for a, a TV show and you know, it was pretty, uh, I won't give it this much. It was pretty intense the way they did it. Yeah. It was not also necessarily accurate of how the defense would've reacted to that type of attack.
Speaker 0 00:46:03 Yeah. It's like in bat mean they made series when he gets punched out by a thug, cuz they need him to lose.
Speaker 3 00:46:09 Exactly.
Speaker 0 00:46:10 I never was a fan of that back in the day either.
Speaker 2 00:46:13 <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:46:14 <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:46:15 But what we realize is that this whole attack is all a distraction for the not dead guy.
Speaker 0 00:46:22 Yeah. You can, you can kind of see where this is going. He is gonna save so Laman and my whole theory is gone. Wife is not the mastermind Uhhuh.
Speaker 2 00:46:31 So the power goes out after they hit the generator. But the backup comes on. Jack is still out in the room. The not dead guy takes out one guard and then disarms another and is brought to the main interrogation room where the other guy, the prisoner is shoots the prisoner and says, no, I want the other one
Speaker 0 00:46:53 <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:46:54 So Greer and Mattis are, you know, trying to help out. They say, no, we need armor. Yeah. Let's try to get to the APC.
Speaker 0 00:47:03 Yeah. That APC looks great.
Speaker 2 00:47:05 <laugh> yeah.
Speaker 3 00:47:05 Yeah. Which isn't really armor, but that's okay. <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:47:09 Yeah. Uh, so the not dead guy, as I'm gonna keep referring to him, enters the room that Jack was in Jack was hiding behind the door, manages to surprise. The guy gets kicks the gun away. They have a knife fight where he almost, he gets cut once, uh, and is thrown onto the table. The bodyguard tries to choke Jack as this is going on,
Speaker 0 00:47:34 This is a great fight. And it shows that Jack is not like a world Supreme badass.
Speaker 2 00:47:38 No like
Speaker 0 00:47:39 A lot of our action heroes
Speaker 2 00:47:40 <laugh> so we see Matisa Greer get into the APC. The fighting outside continues. Jack is, you know, gets out of the choke hold and manages from the body of the guard who was shot to pull out a grenade.
Speaker 0 00:47:55 This is a good twist for the fight to take. But then he just lets him walk out of the room.
Speaker 2 00:48:00 Well, let's, let's get to it. So he says, shoot me and I drop it and you all die. And he like, I like how he shows them the pin is put port. It's not just grenade. It's the pin is out.
Speaker 3 00:48:10 Not making this up. This is gonna happen.
Speaker 2 00:48:13 And the not dead guy, you know, gets the keys from the soldier's body, unlocks the bodyguard. And the bodyguard says, I thought you were an analyst. And he says, I thought you were a bodyguard. And which I thought was that he knows it's you isn't it it's Soman. You're Stillman. And they leave. Well, okay. So realistically, Zach, what would he have done?
Speaker 0 00:48:34 I guess there isn't a whole lot. He could have done there. Yeah. It's like maybe he could have thrown the grave after them, but then they just would've shot him.
Speaker 2 00:48:41 So they leave and Jack puts the pin back in the grenade.
Speaker 0 00:48:45 Yeah. And he was injured too. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:48:48 Yeah. He was, he got stabbed and you know, he's also, yeah, just been fighting. So Greer and Matisse, uh, are help the soldiers get control of the front gate Soleman and the not dead guy escape. And then once they escape all the attackers leave and Soleman and his rescuer get back, get on the trucks as they drive away.
Speaker 0 00:49:08 Oh, that terrorists is out foxed us again.
Speaker 2 00:49:11 Hmm. So we cut back to 1983 where we see, you know, the aftermath of the bombing run. Uh, the older brother survived the bombing, but he has ringing in his ear. The brother is trapped under burning rebel. When the kid pushes it off, his, his brother, but burns his hands. And you can see that the brother's knees underneath are burned and it's revealed that this is Soman and his rescuer. So that was his brother who came and rescued him.
Speaker 0 00:49:41 Wait, I thought his brother, who was the one who got rescued and that's why his hands are all messed up.
Speaker 2 00:49:46 Yes. That's what I'm saying. Soman. And the guy who rescued Soman is the brother. And so, and then we
Speaker 0 00:49:52 Get very sad music. That's the last note I
Speaker 2 00:49:55 Have. Yeah. And we cut back to Jack who sees Greer outside and Jack can see the convoy in the distance as it leaves. And with that, our episode ends.
Speaker 0 00:50:05 Great. All right. Now sign for our spy fact versus fiction. I have some,
Speaker 2 00:50:10 I also have some, so why don't you go ahead, Zach.
Speaker 0 00:50:13 Okay. So they take, can you talking about swift transfers?
Speaker 2 00:50:16 Ah, okay. You got that <laugh>
Speaker 0 00:50:18 Well, I looked
[email protected] and they were basically it's alloted to like jargon. It says swift transfers are a safe and widely accepted money transfer method that you used to send money internationally. It's like, okay. Yeah. I, I got that.
Speaker 2 00:50:31 All right. Well, can I cut, cut in here?
Speaker 0 00:50:33 Yes, please do.
Speaker 2 00:50:34 From edia.com. Okay. There's an article about swift transactions, which says swift is a messaging network that financial institutions use to securely transmit information and instructions through a standardized system of codes.
Speaker 0 00:50:48 Yeah. Like I said, jargoning
Speaker 2 00:50:50 <laugh> yeah. Although swift has become a crucial part of global financial infrastructure. It is not a financial institution itself. Swift does not hold or transfer assets, rather its utilities in its power to facilitate secure, efficient communication between member institutions. So it's a way to transfer money.
Speaker 0 00:51:06 Oh, it's like Western union
Speaker 2 00:51:07 Seemingly well, okay. Actually let me go on in this swift assigns each financial organization at a unique code that is either has eight or 11 characters known as bank identify codes or BICS. Uh, yeah. So that's it. So yeah. So there are secure way of transferring money using these code, like using these codes and the, the way to communicate between banks.
Speaker 0 00:51:29 Yeah. Which is like, I guess we kind of picked it up from context, but I was still curious, like why we keep saying swift over and over again?
Speaker 2 00:51:36 Uh, yeah. I was curious too, cuz clearly I looked it up or what else you got? Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:51:39 And then next I have cia.gov. One time pads.
Speaker 2 00:51:44 Oh wait, when did they use a one time pad?
Speaker 0 00:51:46 Yeah. They kept talking about that too.
Speaker 2 00:51:48 Did they?
Speaker 0 00:51:49 Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:51:50 I do not remember that. I
Speaker 0 00:51:52 Don't remember that either. You guys don't remember that. Well, they, they mentioned it at least once in this episode,
Speaker 2 00:51:57 So. Okay.
Speaker 0 00:51:58 Anyway, so there are cryptographic algorithm, according to caa.gov where Texas go combined with a random key. The key is truly random. One time use remains unshared. It's like a set of like one pattern feature coder matching pad for the decoder five digit groups. I dunno, Christian. You're the one who's really in decodes.
Speaker 2 00:52:19 Yeah. That's pretty much like I remember they use these land world war II. Yeah. Yes.
Speaker 0 00:52:22 It says they could be made a paper silk or highly flammable cellulose nitrate film and can be as small as opposed to stamp.
Speaker 2 00:52:30 I don't remember them mentioning one time pads at all stuff. So I,
Speaker 3 00:52:33 I don't either.
Speaker 0 00:52:35 Yeah. And then finally I have the aviation geek club and we are the mighty.com talking about the ill faded 1983, us strike on Lebanon. So I know about you guys, but when I saw those planes, I assumed they were Israeli planes cuz Israel famously fought a war with Lebanon right in 1980s. But that is not correct. Or at least I don't think that's what they were going for. So planes were launched from the USS turtle, uh, supposed to be revenge for the Marine Corp barracks bombing that took place in 1983, but it was delayed. I'm not gonna go through all the details. Basically. They were targeting Syrian tanks and anti-aircraft sites in the BKA valley, close to the Syrian border, but they totally screwed it up. They did it too quickly. Yada yada, yada, basically two planes were shot down when they really shouldn't have been one of them. The, what was who's the guy who sits in the back,
Speaker 3 00:53:27 The radio radio intercept or radio something. Officer
Speaker 2 00:53:30 Radio intercept officer. Yeah. Yes. A radio, a radar or radio? Not sure. One of the two.
Speaker 0 00:53:35 Okay. So whoever he was, he was killed and then the pilot spent some time in a Syrian prison, but I couldn't find any info about like how, when this show they just went flying over a town, just bombing everything that doesn't seem to have actually taken place. Mm-hmm <affirmative> according to those sources. And then finally from the, again, this is my recollection from the looming tower. All right. So in the looming tower book, they talk about how bin Laden was this wealthy Saudi guy who was motivated to terrorism because he didn't like how the Saudi government was like buddies up with the west. And then also SA KATU who is considered the founder of radical Islam. He became a radical Muslim guy cuz he went to the us and saw how decade and everything was. So the reason why I bring it up is I feel like this narrative that the show is pushing where terrorists become terrorists because someone they love gets killed by the us. Mm-hmm <affirmative> at least in those examples, but lad in KATU that just stray up didn't happen.
Speaker 2 00:54:37 Well, if you finish this series, I, if I recall, that's not his main motivation. It is a thing that happened in his past, but I think he has more motivations for why. All
Speaker 0 00:54:48 Right. So that is all I have first by
Speaker 2 00:54:50 Factor. All right. I've got a few things. So you cover the swift transactions so that we're good with that. He mentions, uh, SQL curious. So what is an SQL query? So SQL stands for a structured query language and it's used when companies have a lot of data they wanna manipulate the beauty of SQL. Is that anyone working at a company that stores data inter a relational database can use it. For example, if you work for a software company and wanna pull usage data on your company, on your customers, you can do that with SQL. I won't go into how you do it, but yeah. So that's what SQL is.
Speaker 3 00:55:21 Oh. And just to confirm that a R is a radar intercept
Speaker 2 00:55:25 Officer as radar, not RA, so, okay.
Speaker 3 00:55:27 So it's not yeah.
Speaker 2 00:55:28 All right. So I, I was,
Speaker 3 00:55:30 You
Speaker 2 00:55:31 Were kind, I think I, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:55:32 You think after seeing top gun Maverick, we would all know that,
Speaker 2 00:55:35 Well, they don't have, uh, Rios in top gun Maverick,
Speaker 3 00:55:39 Actually they do.
Speaker 2 00:55:40 No, he's a back seater. He they've got a different title now.
Speaker 3 00:55:43 Uh, well, well Bob is more or less acting as the same thing. Yeah. Because what, what that person does is they target selectors so on and so forth. Right. Especially on bombing missions.
Speaker 2 00:55:52 I feel like they do have new titles now. They're no longer Rios, but I don't know what they're called you. We covered what T ad stands for. Cuz that was one of my Sy effect first fictions it's. Um, but we did not cover what P and G that stands for when they talk about how degree or got P and G back to headquarters. So P and G stands for persona non grata. It's a status applied by a host country to foreign diplomats or spies to remove their protection of diplomatic immunity from arrest and other types of prosecution. So seems like Greer got the declared persona, non grata in Karachi. And he was sent back to headquarters.
Speaker 0 00:56:28 Okay. Is that from Wikipedia too?
Speaker 2 00:56:30 That is from Wikipedia. Yes. All right. And the EST of the SQL was from a HubSpot, uh, uh, tutorial. Lastly, we've got Jack Ryan's bike route
Speaker 0 00:56:41 <laugh> yeah. I was waiting for this
Speaker 2 00:56:43 <laugh> there's an article in the DCS that's um, spelled basically says that. Yeah, no, this makes zero sense whatsoever because you see him, you know? Yeah. First off he's, uh, rowing under the France co Scott Key bridge on the Potomac river. And then he drops off his boat at the Potomac boat club, which is an actual row club that faces on the Potomac on one side and K street Northwest on the other. Then we cut the Hy biking through Georgetown. So this is already doesn't make sense. Apparently it's yes, it is possible to, uh, bike from the Potomac boat club to Langley. It's a ride that would take 37 minutes via the capital Crescent, uh, trail. Instead we see him going deeper into the city via Georgetown, and then he gets worse. You see him cycling along the title basin, passing the Jeff Thomas Jefferson Memorial.
Speaker 0 00:57:31 Yeah. Which isn't really close to anything.
Speaker 2 00:57:34 No, no. Uh, no, it's not. And then suddenly he is back on like Pennsylvania avenue cuz you see a shot of the Capitol building in the background. And then finally he's going through a small neighborhood, which doesn't look like DC at all, but maybe's supposed to be some suburbs. And apparently the, it may have been filled in Easton, Maryland.
Speaker 3 00:57:55 It's Adams, Morgan
Speaker 2 00:57:57 <laugh> it's where it's supposed to be. Anyway. So from Reddit, someone actually mapped out his entire route that he goes from Georgetown to CIA would take him an hour and 44 minutes, which is longer than these 37 more direct routes.
Speaker 0 00:58:14 Oh that explains why he was late.
Speaker 2 00:58:16 Yeah, right. Yeah, it would. All right. Well that's what I have for spy fact for spy fiction. All
Speaker 0 00:58:21 Right, Lance, you got anything?
Speaker 3 00:58:24 No, I think you got, I think I already mentioned a couple of 'em like the ones where they were supposed to be at Andrews, but they're actually it's Barksdale air force base. Okay. Um, and the defensive perimeter around the, the black site.
Speaker 0 00:58:37 Okay, cool. Now saying for our favorite quotes, uh, Lance is our guest, would you like to go first?
Speaker 3 00:58:43 Uh, I, I kind alluded to it earlier. Um, it was the one to where coast guard helicopter picks Jack up from the, from the party and he takes him to, and he's going through and Greer is explaining to HIMS like, oh Nope, get on. We're going to Yemen. You're part of this. And Jack looks at him like, oh, I can't go. I'm I'm just an analyst and Greer kind of cock his head and looks at him and is like, just get on the fucking plane.
Speaker 2 00:59:09 <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:59:10 That was amazing to me. That was my favorite light of the, of the whole series so far actually
Speaker 2 00:59:15 <laugh>
Speaker 0 00:59:16 Yeah, I can go. I didn't actually have basically any, the only one I had as been mentioned was, uh, your turn Lance Armstrong.
Speaker 2 00:59:24 <laugh> it's good. That's good.
Speaker 0 00:59:25 Rear gets all the good lines.
Speaker 2 00:59:27 Ah, yes he does. So I've got a few I've got from the person who was handing out all the assignments in the, in the Jack's meeting. Are we on ye many time this morning? Dr. Ryan
Speaker 0 00:59:38 Mm-hmm <affirmative>.
Speaker 3 00:59:40 That was
Speaker 2 00:59:40 Good. Yeah. Uh, and then I got from Greer. Wow. A brand new bin LA my first day. Huda thunk it. And lastly from, uh, one of Jack's colleagues, uh, who, I think he's the guy who played Alad in the live action remake and he is either John KA Sinski is really tall or he's really short or both. Mm-hmm <affirmative> anyways, he says, ops guys like maps and graphic. You should try putting stick figures in your report next time. <laugh> and uh, I do have the full quote of, I can't go to Yemen. I'm an analyst. I don't interrogate people. I write reports
Speaker 0 01:00:13 <laugh> and yet he's so good at interrogating people anyway.
Speaker 2 01:00:17 Oh yes, yes.
Speaker 3 01:00:18 Uh, actually Christian, do your, your question. Uh, John Kosinski is six. Three.
Speaker 2 01:00:23 All right. So he's decently tall and he's pretty tall. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's his name? That's what his name is. Miam MASU. He's five eight. So he's like just an inch shorter than me. It's not that short, but like next to John Kosinski, he looks like a giant early. He looks like a Midge
Speaker 0 01:00:40 <laugh> I'm. Sure. All right. So notice time for a ranges on a scale of one to 10 martinis, one being the Avengers 1997 and 10 being even better than burn notice, how would we rate the pilot of the Amazon series? Jack Ryan? So Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan, anyway, Lance, really to go first. You are a guest.
Speaker 3 01:01:00 Sure. Obviously there is, this is a completely different take from any of the books. Uh, I mean you can find a couple different bits and pieces in here from across the different, um, Clancy universe, I guess, the way to put it. Um, but definitely a unique and different spin on it. Um, I like the serious Silvertones I really liked, um, Zinski's portrayal of Jack. I actually like him better than any of the actors that portrayed him in the movies.
Speaker 2 01:01:31 Ooh.
Speaker 3 01:01:32 And I even named my kid after Harrison Ford <laugh> so,
Speaker 0 01:01:38 Wow.
Speaker 3 01:01:39 I mean, other than different, uh, things here and there, which, you know, like I said, I expect certain amount of, uh, Hollywood, um, twist to it. I went ahead and I'm gonna give it, uh, an eight and a half martinis.
Speaker 2 01:01:52 All right. Eight and a half martinis. All right, Zach, you wanna go next?
Speaker 0 01:01:57 So this was hard. I think you may have called me in a bad mood this time I've been in a good lately, but the thing is, there's nothing here that really impresses me. There's some kind of neat stuff. Like I like that. He's younger. I like that. Mm-hmm <affirmative>, he's not fully formed, but like the stupid us army who are easily defeated by the terrorist, cuz they need to be defeated. That kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Okay. Let's with GRE it's just like, we've just seen it before. It's like, I don't know. It's really hard. It's not like bad. I will give it a six out of 10. It's it's fine.
Speaker 2 01:02:34 Yeah. Interesting. All right. All right. Yeah.
Speaker 3 01:02:37 Up to you, Christian.
Speaker 2 01:02:38 All right. So I'm going to copy Lance. I had this in my head beforehand, uh, to give it an eight and a half. Uh, I really like this. I think it's a good, it's a good start to a show. It draws us in. It's not, you know, a traditional pilot cuz it doesn't need to be, but it does set up a bunch of stuff we introduced to the characters. I like, I, yeah, I do really like his portrayal of Jack Ryan. I not as much of a Clancy fanboys Lance, but you know, I have seen all of the other movies including one, one that we haven't covered yet. And I really enjoy. I liked, I don't know. Maybe it's because I'm a D I'm going to be a dad, but now, but this is my jam. And I really like the first season of the show. I know we're not, we're only judging the pilot, but I really like the first season of the show. Second season. Not as much, the third season about that is apparently done and ready. It just hasn't come out yet. And I think they even the fourth season is also either they're filming or completely done.
Speaker 3 01:03:36 Yeah. I think the last I saw the third season was actually supposed to be released, uh, September 20, 22,
Speaker 2 01:03:44 Which is now
Speaker 3 01:03:46 Right. But it keeps getting pushed back and they're not really giving any explanation as to why the, at least that I've seen.
Speaker 2 01:03:51 Yeah, no I I've. I've basically right when we started record like, Hey, was it one season three coming out and haven't seen anything about it. Um, I know they've been casting announcements and stuff like that, but yeah, I'm, I'm waiting for it to come out cuz I, you know, I'm hoping it'd be more like season one and that not like season two, cuz I really like season one.
Speaker 3 01:04:11 Well, especially cuz season one also had Kathy Mueller in it.
Speaker 2 01:04:15 Yeah. Yeah. Where season two just drops her with like she doesn't even exist with no reason. Yeah. But yeah. So eight and a half. I really liked it. I, I would highly recommend watching the series the first season of the series.
Speaker 0 01:04:30 Well it's Lance. Thanks for joining us. Anything you would like to plug before we sign off?
Speaker 3 01:04:35 Well, I'm gonna stick with my usual, uh, cat and dog rescue, especially with senior cats. Um, everyone always loves the kittens, but it's the senior cats that obviously need more love and attention. So I'm gonna stick with those.
Speaker 0 01:04:49 Yeah. Big cat rescue. Got it.
Speaker 3 01:04:51 That's right.
Speaker 0 01:04:52 No, that was a joke. Big cat rescue was from tiger. K.
Speaker 2 01:04:56 Oh I've never. Well, I've
Speaker 3 01:04:58 Got a big cat sitting on my lap at the moment. So that kind of fit in <laugh>
Speaker 2 01:05:02 Yeah,
Speaker 0 01:05:02 That was Carol Paskins thing. I believe
Speaker 2 01:05:05 I am probably one of the few who never watched tiger king.
Speaker 3 01:05:09 No you, you and I are right there. I've never seen an episode and I'm okay with that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 01:05:13 Yeah. Thank you Lance for joining us and thank you all for listening. You can find us on social media at the scifi guys on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram until next time I'm Christian
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