"Alias" guest starring Jay

Speaker 0 00:00:00 Spying stealing murder. And you thought your family has issues. We are the SPFI guys, and this is alias. Welcome to the SPFI guys. We recover spy effects by fiction and everything in between I'm Christian Speaker 2 00:00:22 And I'm Zach. Speaker 0 00:00:24 And today we are covering the TV show alias from 2001. I've seen most of the first season of Zach. Have you seen, what have you seen of it? Speaker 2 00:00:35 I will tell you what I know about this show, which is that sexy, sexy, Jennifer. GARS very sexy. So I saw commercials and in the commercials, she is always wearing like a sexy swimsuit or a sexy dress or a sexy something. You know how a few weeks ago we did the Americans, which was my dad's favorite show. Speaker 0 00:00:53 Yes. Speaker 2 00:00:54 Well, apparently Elliots was my mom's favorite show. Speaker 0 00:00:58 Interesting. All right. Speaker 2 00:00:59 We will see how it holds up. Speaker 0 00:01:01 <laugh> all right. Well, let's, uh, intro our guest so we can find out what he knows about the show. We have returning guest star, Jay. Speaker 3 00:01:09 Hello. Hello everybody. I look forward to having conversations with your mom, Zach, about the show <laugh> Speaker 2 00:01:16 By all means, long time listeners may remember Jay from our coverage of mission impossible one through three. Speaker 0 00:01:22 And given that apparently, well, first of all, this is Speaker 3 00:01:26 Apparently because I'm old. <laugh> Speaker 0 00:01:28 No, uh, I was gonna say because, well, so I figured it was only appropriate. We bring back Jay, because this is directed by JJ Abrams, who did direct the last mission. Impossible when covered Mr. Mission and possible three. And also apparently Tom cruise actually called JJ Abra and offered a role of mission impossible three after binge watching the first two seasons VAs. Speaker 2 00:01:53 Wow. That is quite the pedigree. Speaker 0 00:01:55 Before I get into what I'm gonna say, Jay, what's your experience with the, with this show? Speaker 3 00:01:59 I watched it since it was on TV. The first time I watched episode fun and I watched all the way through till I wanna save halfway through the second to last season. Okay. I don't think I made it through the last season. Speaker 0 00:02:15 <laugh> okay. Speaker 2 00:02:17 That's all pretty good run. Speaker 0 00:02:18 Yeah. That's pretty good. Having watched this bef or mission and possible three before I watched this movie, it always felt like I, I just kept going back to that film and just seeing how things that even are just in the pilot definitely influenced mission of possible three. And I will bring them up as we go along. Speaker 2 00:02:38 Yeah. I can see that now that you mention it, it didn't occur to me while I was watching it, but there you go. Speaker 3 00:02:44 It definitely gives off the same vibes in a lot of subsections. Mm-hmm <affirmative> a lot of the transitions are very similar, but we'll get into Speaker 0 00:02:51 All of that. Yeah. Yeah. So with that, why don't we go ahead and get started. Zach, if you wanna give us the IMDP plot synopsis, Speaker 2 00:02:59 Here we go. It's a little long truth. Be told season one, episode one, the pilot of this show, Sydney Bristo discovers that her job as an agent for SD six, a top secret division of the CIA is not what she thought it was. Sydney's father Jack also tells her the truth about his work and she enraged seeks help from real CIA and is hired as their double agent under the commanded agent FA from now on her job is really simple. She needs to complete her cases at S T six while reporting her findings back to the CIA. Speaker 0 00:03:30 That's interesting because that leaves that's like really just the last five minutes. Speaker 2 00:03:35 Yeah. I was gonna say world last two minutes. Speaker 0 00:03:37 <laugh> Speaker 2 00:03:38 Make it sound like it's half the episode. Speaker 3 00:03:40 Yeah. But you have to also remember most of that was probably well written well after the fact Speaker 0 00:03:46 That's true. Speaker 3 00:03:46 Yeah. I mean, at this point it's still early mainstream internet. Speaker 0 00:03:51 Oh, this is true. 2001 <laugh> Speaker 3 00:03:54 We did not have these resources to, in to really analyze it. We just strictly had word of mouth and conversations about the show. So we couldn't really dig deep into this capacity. And a lot of the times those types of summaries are written from a longer perspective of the show. Speaker 0 00:04:13 That's very true, Jay. Well, Speaker 2 00:04:15 As I have recently been informed, the purpose of a pilot is to sell a show. So you certainly need a jumping off point at the end. And this had a really good jumping off point, better than some others. Speaker 3 00:04:26 Wait, someone recently like taught you that. Speaker 0 00:04:30 Oh, go back and listen to our burn notice episode tech or Jay. Speaker 3 00:04:33 Yeah. Oh no. Oh Speaker 2 00:04:35 No. Yeah. I'm being slightly sarcastic with that. Speaker 0 00:04:38 Are you though? Speaker 2 00:04:39 All right. So we begin with this episode, then we are doing only the pilot today, Speaker 0 00:04:43 The way you phrased it. What I just can I just say the was that you didn't say that the title of the pilot is truth be told. So it sounded like you were saying truth. Be told this fi pilot <laugh> Speaker 3 00:04:54 100%. I had to double check, Speaker 2 00:04:58 Well, truth. Be told or rather be talking about just the pilot society. Yep. Which is truth. Be told Speaker 0 00:05:02 <laugh> or we start with our title sequence, which is actually, uh, you know, not very, not a lot going on. Here's just like spelling out the letters VAs and we get it close up on Sydney being drowned. Uh, she's captured by Taiwanese people. She's got red hair. Speaker 2 00:05:21 Yeah. She looks a lot like Lilu from the fifth element, Speaker 0 00:05:25 Eh. Yeah. Yeah. Starting with sort of INED RAs. Is that how you pronounce that? Speaker 2 00:05:31 Sure. I also hear in media, RAs Speaker 0 00:05:34 In media, I don't know if there's an S to there anyways. Like with all person captured bad things happening. It took me back to the beginning. We should bustle three. Speaker 2 00:05:45 I was expecting record scratch. I suppose. You're wondering how I got into this Speaker 0 00:05:48 Situation. <laugh> Speaker 3 00:05:49 What's considering the time period that this was made would totally make sense. Speaker 0 00:05:54 <laugh> Speaker 2 00:05:55 Yes. Speak of the time period. The font, the S font is also the XFiles font that like typewriter Uhhuh. So that brought me back Speaker 0 00:06:03 <laugh> Speaker 3 00:06:04 Yeah. There's a lot of elements to, from the XFiles that definitely kind of carry over mm-hmm Speaker 2 00:06:09 <affirmative> Speaker 0 00:06:10 Anyways. So they pull her out of the tub that she's being drowned in. They slap her, cuff her to a chair. We get a bunch of footsteps. We focus in on a door and we smash cut to a door opening again. It's like mission. I possible three. You had the, you know, opening part where he's getting tortured. You have the credits. I mean, the orders all over reverse. And then you have the smash of the opening, except, and then it was the opening of the fridge, opposed to the opening of another door. In this case, we transitioned from that Taiwanese prison cell or whatever that is being open door opening to a school door opening and old man enters a classroom. I noticed there's not a lot of students here or, but it makes more sense because we find out that Sydney, when normal, you know, bra own hair is taking a test and she's over time. And so that's why there's that, that many students here. Speaker 2 00:06:58 Yeah. Cuz most have finished. Mm-hmm <affirmative> the, so remind me of Indiana Jones, right? Where he begins out in the field, then he goes to a classroom. Speaker 3 00:07:05 Yeah. That makes sense. Mm-hmm <affirmative> the other thing about her, the scene where she's fi tied up, looking back, like originally when I first watched it, I remember thinking, oh, oh, okay. This is good. I'm in, they got me. And then watching it now having watched like all the mission impossibles and everything and having not remembered what, like all the points and hit points of this show mm-hmm <affirmative> and specifically this episode, I was like, they're gonna rip off that wig. Right. <laugh> Speaker 0 00:07:37 I also thought it was a wig. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:07:40 That was not my reaction, Jay. I must say, Speaker 3 00:07:43 Because again, I mean, having watched so many of the mission impossibles recently, it just felt right for that to be like, Speaker 2 00:07:51 Wow. Okay, Christian, don't get mad at me for jumping cat, but there's a part where she grabs her dad's oh Speaker 0 00:07:56 Yeah. Oh no. I'm gonna, I'm gonna talk about that. Don't worry. Speaker 2 00:08:00 Remember that? Remember that? Speaker 0 00:08:01 It's in my notes. Speaker 2 00:08:03 Okay, good. Speaker 3 00:08:03 Yeah. She is taking her sweet old time and her professor is a sweet old man who allows her to keep on writing Speaker 0 00:08:12 Five minutes over already. And she's like, as he's in front of her, she's still writing and finishing the essay. Speaker 3 00:08:19 Thank you for letting me finish. Speaker 2 00:08:21 So I have questions about this. So is she like not smart? Cause she is smart. Why is she having so much trouble with this test? I don't get it. Speaker 3 00:08:30 <laugh> it's explained like immediately after Speaker 2 00:08:32 She's like this, this isn't my subject or something like that. Speaker 3 00:08:35 No it's because she's on missions all the time. She doesn't have time to prep. Speaker 2 00:08:40 Ah, Speaker 3 00:08:41 She assumes that she was recruited because she was an, a student. Then she had all these other extracurriculars and like her abilities and all that stuff. So she has never had an issue. And it even ties into when you get the whole voiceover where she's having the conversation. I fail, I got a D and all that stuff. <laugh> it's because she's never had issues studying, having issues, keeping up. But because of her secondary life, she doesn't have that time to actually focus and actually take time to study. Speaker 2 00:09:12 Oh, kinda like Spider-Man Speaker 0 00:09:14 Yeah, yeah, yeah. <laugh> brilliant. But lazy. Speaker 2 00:09:17 Do they ever say what she's studying by the way? Speaker 0 00:09:20 Not on the pilot, Speaker 2 00:09:22 But they do later. Speaker 3 00:09:23 You'll have to watch the rest of this episode. Speaker 2 00:09:26 Yeah. Should be like dance theory. Speaker 0 00:09:28 <laugh> she thinks she's got a D she's talking with her boyfriend, Danny who proposes on the school. LA lawn by like singing, build me up buttercup loudly very badly. Speaker 2 00:09:40 Okay. What do we think about this gentleman? What do we think? Speaker 3 00:09:44 It brought a big old smile to my face. Speaker 2 00:09:46 Okay. Jay is the pro singing. I cringed Christian. Would you do this? Speaker 0 00:09:53 No. Well, no, I would not. Okay. But I'm not him. Speaker 3 00:09:58 Yeah. And it had a very significant meaning to their relationship. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:10:03 I will say it was a very interesting way to start the show. The whole show. This is basically the, still the beginning and our way to introduce this character. Speaker 3 00:10:12 Yeah, I agree. I, it gives you the sense that she does have the side of lightheartedness of fun, fully engaging in society and her partner and everyone else around it sees that. And it, and I like the fact that at pans, to like everyone else on campus watching it. So she is visible. People know her she's 100% visible. And part of this current environment and world, which is unique, I think a lot, because you expect aspire to kind of keep her head down and kind of keep a low profile. But this shows that she rebuts against like the norm. Right? Speaker 0 00:10:55 Right. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:10:56 So it sets up the fact that the show is more about relationships rather than necessarily strictly a SP show. Speaker 2 00:11:03 Mm-hmm <affirmative> that's true. And also I noticed that there's WB music, like CW style music. Yeah. You guys notice Speaker 0 00:11:10 This it's really prominent later on and we'll get to it. Speaker 2 00:11:14 Yeah. But Jay, you got me thinking, I wonder if there's a contrast where the fiance is loud and the center of attention and loves it. Whereas she is like so embarrassed and doesn't, it's like, don't look at me, right? Yeah. Speaker 3 00:11:27 Yeah. I, I, I, I, 100% agree with that. Okay. But it also shows that and implies the fact that one, she also has a lot of friends and like, and she obviously is very social and can take it a spy. Would've been like knocking off. <laugh> the fact that she's laughing and enjoying and looking about, and then making eye contact with everyone shows that she isn't necessarily strictly about the whole wall garden. Speaker 2 00:11:56 Yeah. The other observation I have about this scene is she says, did you get the Dave Matthews tickets? Which also Speaker 0 00:12:01 Dates this show? <laugh> Speaker 3 00:12:03 What are you talking about? My friends were just talking about getting Dave Matthews tickets. Granted, they're also from this period of time too. <laugh> Speaker 2 00:12:10 Same age Speaker 0 00:12:12 She's says yes. And she goes back to her place, shows off the ring to her friend, reveals that she hasn't told her dad yet. And we also find out that her mother is dead Speaker 2 00:12:22 And she has issues with her dad. Yes. And she's like, I don't even know if I wanna tell him, but also I gotta say once he proposed and she said, yes, I was like, something's gonna happen to the guy Speaker 0 00:12:33 <laugh> Speaker 2 00:12:33 There are no TV show protagonists that are going to get married. At least not for very long. Speaker 0 00:12:40 He's a doctor. Which so basically does JJ Abrams just make his, you know, spy, protagonist, Speaker 3 00:12:48 Other Speaker 0 00:12:49 Significant others, medical professionals. Cuz Julia was a nurse. This one's a doctor. It's just, it's all variations on the theme here. Speaker 2 00:12:56 It's another very respected profession. Speaker 3 00:12:59 Hmm. Respected profession that takes people's lives in hand risk. And um, Speaker 0 00:13:08 Danny called her dad to ask for permission. We get a flashback to it happening. Her dad's played by Victor Garber. Welcome a welcome site. <laugh> and he like chews Danny out. This Speaker 2 00:13:19 Is my favorite part. He's just like, why are you talking to me? Why are you calling me? You're gonna do what you want anyway. Mm-hmm Speaker 0 00:13:25 <affirmative> Speaker 2 00:13:26 It is hilarious. You definitely understand why him and his daughter don't get along so high Speaker 3 00:13:30 And it's not even, why are you talking me to me? It's do you know my daughter? She would not want you to talk to me. <laugh> knock it off. Are you sure you wanna marry? Do you actually know her? Because if she finds out, you called me, she's gonna call you an idiot. Basically. <laugh> Speaker 2 00:13:48 Well, it's a sign that he doesn't know her as well as he thinks he does. Which is true. Speaker 3 00:13:53 Well, no, because, because when she talks about that whole thing, like her, the relationship she's like, wait, what? Like she understands the fact that that's not a good idea. Speaker 2 00:14:05 Right? Speaker 3 00:14:06 So he does, Speaker 2 00:14:07 I, this didn't bother me. But you would think that if they're gonna get married, he would've talked to her about her dad at least once. Right? Speaker 0 00:14:14 I mean, he knows enough to find his phone number. Speaker 2 00:14:18 That's true, but not enough to know that her and him are almost estranged. Speaker 0 00:14:23 I assume that he does. But he's also just doing it as a courtesy, Speaker 3 00:14:28 Which is what he gets called out on. Yeah. I'm not going to be just your courtesy call. That one day is a gonna be an anecdotal life that you called me. I'm not part of this nonsense. Yeah. If you don't have anything important to talk to me, Cindy's going to hate you for calling me. Go away. Goodbye. Welcome to the family. I hate you. Goodbye. <laugh> Speaker 2 00:14:50 There you go. Speaker 3 00:14:51 To be fair. He doesn't say I hate you. He just says you're just wasting both of our Speaker 0 00:14:54 Time. Yep. <laugh> right. Welcome to the family. I did like you answer that with welcome to the family. Anyway. So Sydney is walking to a building which is labeled credit Delphine. So she gets into an elevator. The operator gets her onto a secret floor while she's in the elevator. She slips off her engagement ring and gets out into a white room, which scans her Speaker 2 00:15:16 First time. It reminded me of the matrix. Not the last. Speaker 0 00:15:20 Yeah. Well this, I mean, this reminded me of not the first, not the last time of mission, muscle three, the IMF headquarters there, although this one's more dingy looking like <laugh> it is underground and it feels like it's under like UN like in the basement. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:15:36 Well, I mean it felt more like a double oh seven. Interesting. Because in certain double oh seven ones, they're in like a darker room in a older environment. Speaker 0 00:15:48 Like it's Skyfall. Yeah. Okay. I can see that. Speaker 2 00:15:51 Well, there's also some mission impossible where they, their headquarters is in a basement and it is very Speaker 0 00:15:57 Not headquarters would like say safe house kind of thing. Yeah, Speaker 2 00:15:59 Yeah, yeah. Whatever they use Speaker 0 00:16:01 Actually know that. Remember, and my three we're gonna, I told you at the start, we're gonna talk a lot. Aboutm I three, their headquarters is in the basement of the Virginia of transportation. Speaker 3 00:16:14 Yeah. Which is why I was like, it felt like mission possible, but it also felt like w O because mm-hmm <affirmative> I was like, no, that makes sense, Virginia, Virginia Speaker 0 00:16:24 <laugh> Speaker 2 00:16:24 Man, I didn't pick up on this, but it is an indication that this organization is not everything it appears to Speaker 3 00:16:29 Be. I do appreciate the fact. Oh no. I was gonna say, I appreciate the fact that it's like the Virginia que feeling considering CIA mm-hmm <affirmative> but it's not really C, but it's not in the CIA. So it's not at Langley. Mm-hmm Speaker 2 00:16:43 <affirmative> right. Speaker 0 00:16:44 Do we know what city this supposed to be in? Speaker 3 00:16:47 I don't think they necessarily spell it out in this episode. Speaker 0 00:16:51 Okay. Speaker 2 00:16:51 I would say it's probably not. So it explains why she goes somewhere else. Speaker 3 00:16:55 Yes. Speaker 2 00:16:56 Okay. So do you guys recognize her coworker here? Speaker 0 00:16:59 Carl? What's his last name? Speaker 2 00:17:01 Carl something. So she is the voice of the March. Speaker 0 00:17:06 I knew you were gonna say that, Speaker 2 00:17:08 But he's also the March band's dad on super Speaker 0 00:17:11 Girl. I also knew you were gonna say that Speaker 2 00:17:13 Yeah. Where his face is in front of the camera. So you can actually recognize him for Speaker 3 00:17:16 That. He is also the star of the show, mantis manta, which was for one season, it was, uh, the, it was him wheelchair bound, but he creates a super suit that allows him to become a superhero and smash things. <laugh> and like, yeah, it's an extra shoe that he can Speaker 0 00:17:37 Get. Interesting. He is also Isaiah Bradley and Falcon in the winter soldier. Speaker 2 00:17:42 Yes. Yes, that's right. Speaker 0 00:17:43 All right. But now that we've said where, where he's from? Who is he in this show? He's Marcus, her one of her coworkers. He knows that she's smiling. She's glowing. Almost apparently Sloan the head of this division is giving a briefing. Someone named Oscar Mueller was killed by an ambulance. He was considered himself a modern day Alchemist as a race to recover his notes, but they're all gone missing, but one of them has surfaced in Taipei and it was reported by, uh, one of their agents, Antonio Contreras, the notes are in a, uh, foreign or in a old language demo. Sydney has to go in undercover at an embassy party case. The building recon only no retrieval. Speaker 2 00:18:31 So I like how there's a cue here. Who's nervous. Like it's a requirement that every gadget guy needs to be nervous. I don't know why Speaker 0 00:18:39 <laugh>, I mean the original cue, not nervous. I like the gear that he gives her RF, scrambler, disguises, a lighter, which works for four minutes. A lips can, which also does three dimensional. Scanning has a short pulse laser and a grid analyzer. What the heck is a grid analyzer. Speaker 3 00:18:57 It it'll break down the environment into a grid so you can measure out distance. Speaker 0 00:19:01 Oh, so that's all part of the three dimensional blue, red part. Speaker 3 00:19:04 Okay. So it's sync then it'll sync to the GPS so it can get a better understanding of layout. Speaker 0 00:19:10 Okay. That makes sense. I was like, that seems specific. It didn't sound like they were all a part of the same thing. So I wasn't sure Speaker 3 00:19:16 The way he produces the description is very asynchronously. Expelled. I will say is how I say how I describe it because it's literally him just like about like, literally just spitting out periods of words that you don't know if they are congruently in sync. Speaker 0 00:19:38 Yeah. Now this actor looks familiar. I can't place. Well, I know he's in an episode, Chuck, but I can't think of where, what else he's in? Oh, he's Speaker 3 00:19:47 In so many that you've seen. Speaker 0 00:19:49 I'm sure I've seen in other things. Speaker 3 00:19:52 60 seconds Felicity Buffy. The vampire. Is there, uh, charmed. Speaker 0 00:19:59 Huh? Oh, I do remember him. UN charmed actually. Huh? Speaker 2 00:20:02 Long as soon as I saw him, that triggered memories of Speaker 3 00:20:07 <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:20:07 Cause he's very distinctive walking and I remember him from nothing else except us. Mm-hmm <affirmative> Speaker 3 00:20:12 Yeah. He has one of those faces as you just go. Hmm. <laugh> probably double-faced <laugh> face double agent something or just evil. Okay. Let's go. Speaker 0 00:20:24 So we next cut to Sydney. Running on a track. Is that Bradley Cooper? What's he doing here? Speaker 3 00:20:30 Right. Welcome to media. Bradley Cooper. Speaker 0 00:20:35 Is this his like first role? Yeah. Oh wow. Speaker 3 00:20:38 It's like one of his, yeah. I, I believe it is like his first major role in Speaker 0 00:20:42 Everything. Huh? Crazy. He plays uh, Sydney's friend will more Speaker 2 00:20:47 Like friend zoned will. Yeah. Big time. Speaker 3 00:20:51 Get wrecked. Speaker 2 00:20:52 <laugh> I mean, come on. Will she's been dating this guy for a long time and they just kinda get you gotta move on here, buddy. Come on. Speaker 0 00:21:00 Yes. He might be hung up on her, but he is also, well, no, his sister set him up on the blind dates. I don't know how willing he is to try to move on. Good question. I don't know. Speaker 2 00:21:08 Well, so my interpretation of that conversation is that he's like a little spectrum. He a little, a little odd. Speaker 0 00:21:16 No. Speaker 3 00:21:17 What? Speaker 2 00:21:18 You guys didn't get that impression? No, Speaker 0 00:21:20 Not Speaker 3 00:21:20 At all. Speaker 2 00:21:22 Okay. I don't really have any notes to back up my theory. That's just the vibe that I got. Speaker 0 00:21:27 Okay. Speaker 2 00:21:28 Cause he's like, my sister sent me on this blind date, but he doesn't seem interested at all. And you guys think it's because he's still in love with Sydney. Speaker 0 00:21:36 Yes. Speaker 2 00:21:36 That's the reason. Okay. Speaker 3 00:21:38 Yeah. Completely Shing off that whole. Yeah. Maybe should know. Cool. But you know, I'm obviously it's the self deprecating of no, it was cool, but you know, I could do better. Maybe wink, wink. Speaker 0 00:21:53 <laugh> Speaker 2 00:21:54 That's even worse. I don't know which theory makes him look better. Speaker 3 00:21:58 Eh, I do like his getaway of, they just finished he's topless. He's all he and he they're talking and then like, Hey, and he goes, sure. It on I'm gonna run away from my problem. Speaker 0 00:22:13 <laugh> yeah. Speaker 3 00:22:14 Just Speaker 0 00:22:15 Like I'm gonna take a few more laps. Speaker 3 00:22:17 <laugh> run away, run away. Speaker 2 00:22:21 Yeah. So that also gives you a hint to what this show will be. That there's emotional kind of like chalk with more serious emotional, romantic things happening. Speaker 0 00:22:31 I mean, right. So does most chills. Speaker 3 00:22:36 I get it because it's, you're expecting like the whole way they advertised it was that the show was a spy show. Mm-hmm <affirmative> an SP not show. So the fact that there was so much relationship building, so much of the interplay caught a lot of people off guard, Speaker 0 00:22:52 Which mm-hmm <affirmative> reminds me of a <inaudible> you know, all the focus on the interpersonal romance caught everyone off guard. Mission impossible three. Speaker 2 00:23:04 Yeah. But mission impossible. Three. It wasn't like 50, 50, and this year was in 50 50 either. But there is just a lot. Speaker 0 00:23:10 I mean, there is a lot of Tom cruise getting married and all that, all of that in I three and his whole reasoning for the last end of it. Anyways, let's get back on track and not the running track. Haha. Terrible joke. Oh God. Speaker 3 00:23:24 I would love to be on a running track right now. Speaker 0 00:23:26 <laugh> so Sydney is back at her place, reading a book on hieroglyphics. Danny's nearby. They start kissing, but Sydney is distracted. Cheats him by the hand upstairs turns up the music, tells him to get undressed and get in the shower Speaker 3 00:23:45 And he promptly agrees and is like, oh yeah baby. Speaker 0 00:23:49 And that's when she blows her cover. Speaker 2 00:23:52 Ah, have you guys, uh, seen or read gone girl? Speaker 0 00:23:56 No, Speaker 2 00:23:57 No. I've read the book and seen the movie. They're both good, but there's a part where they do this where they, the couple gets taken and get in the shower, but that's because she's gonna confess to murder and she has to make sure that she's not being recorded. Right. So Speaker 0 00:24:10 It's, I mean, this is also why she did that. Yes. Speaker 3 00:24:14 Yeah. It's a trope. That's been forever and ages of you don't wanna be recorded. You go into the shower because who records in the bathroom? Plus there's a shower, but I don't know about you. The shower. Isn't that loud. Speaker 0 00:24:30 Also the acoustics in there are probably are always very good. So if anything, it would make it easier to hear. Speaker 3 00:24:37 Yeah. But the assumption isn't is that there isn't a recording device in the shower, plus the steam would disrupt any electronics and all that stuff. But it's mostly the fact that you have the sound of the shower plus the music and you're recording from outside the door. But I don't know about you, but I can hear people in that bathroom from outside in my living room. <laugh> if there's someone showering, I go, Hey, you need a towel. I, they can hear me and I can hear them. Like the, I don't know. I'm very, I've been very curious to read. Speaker 0 00:25:08 <laugh> Speaker 3 00:25:08 Where this whole concept came from. Speaker 2 00:25:11 Get the MythBusters on it. Speaker 3 00:25:12 It's just a unique way because it's in everything. So then it's like, does she just watch a lot of spa shows? Speaker 0 00:25:19 <laugh> baby? Or she Speaker 3 00:25:21 Was in her training at some point they go, Hey, just so you know, showers don't cover up noise. Speaker 0 00:25:28 But here's the question though. And we'll, I mean, we'll get to it. What training did she have? Speaker 2 00:25:34 That's true. That's a good point. One last thing though, is that in go Gar? At least they put their faces really close and speak really quietly. They do not do that here. Speaker 0 00:25:43 No, Speaker 2 00:25:43 That that's a little bit of a caveat. Speaker 0 00:25:46 So after that, we've go back to the beginning where Sydney is tied up, there's a Taiwanese goes back to something, but then we go back to them and they, we see that they do inject her. She gets really groggy and passes out and then we get it back within a flashback. Speaker 2 00:26:03 <laugh> yes. Speaker 0 00:26:04 It's a, there's a lot of flashbacks here, but we get a flashback where Sydney's telling the story of her recruitment, presumably to Danny. So someone approached her and said that the government wants to talk to her about a job. Apparently she fit a profile. She said she didn't feel like she really belonged anywhere, but she needed the money. So she met with the guy, they offered her a job. It's not exactly the CAIA. It's a covert branch within the CIA. Speaker 2 00:26:32 So yes, it, it is. And they say she's a natural at everything. So here's the thing. Oh, could we just get one spy show where the lead spy, Chuck doesn't count. Cause he is not a spy. The lead spy is not like the greatest spy in the universe please. Speaker 3 00:26:50 But if you're getting recruited most oftentimes you are going to be exceptional. Like the fact that they approached her as a freshman in college, she would have to stand out dramatically mm-hmm <affirmative> Speaker 0 00:27:03 Or have some other connections. Speaker 2 00:27:05 Yeah. Well, if this is were a comedy show, I would say she's not in fact the greatest spy ever. They just led her to believe that she was. Speaker 3 00:27:12 Yeah. I don't even think you need it as a comedy. It's just the fact that they were like, we know someone. Yeah. And if things go south, we have something on them. <laugh> Speaker 2 00:27:22 Yep. So anyway, if I can finish my rant, Michael Weston was this legend among Russian intelligence. Archer is the world's most dangerous spy. Speaker 0 00:27:30 So he says, Speaker 2 00:27:32 No, no, no. That other guy says that the guy interrogating him and the first Speaker 0 00:27:36 He's he see the, Speaker 2 00:27:37 I also wanted to say really quick in this part, in the college campus, there's a re for a dream poster on one of the bulletin boards, which also dates the show. Speaker 0 00:27:46 She asks after a few, I think was it? I forget it was weeks or months. If she could test for agent training, she advances really quickly, as she's telling Danny this, a remote location where there's a bunch of machinery around them. Speaker 2 00:27:58 <laugh> yeah. It's like an oil ran. Speaker 0 00:28:00 Yeah. He's still very incredulous. He needs time. She tells him that he can't tell anyone and she's got her trip coming up. So she'll call him when she gets back. Speaker 3 00:28:12 And it's San Diego, right? W when I know it's not Diego, how dare you like to me? You dad, Speaker 2 00:28:19 That's the sign of things to call. Speaker 0 00:28:21 Yep. Speaker 3 00:28:22 Is it? Speaker 2 00:28:23 Well, also in this part, she says to him, I wanted to find someone to give my life meaning mm-hmm <affirmative>, which is a very interesting character choice. I must Speaker 3 00:28:33 Say. Also, can I, can you elaborate? So Speaker 2 00:28:36 Assuming she wasn't just straight up lying, it means that she didn't feel like her life had meaning before, which is very interesting considering she's in a very hard driving dedicated profession. Speaker 0 00:28:48 Mm-hmm <affirmative> Speaker 3 00:28:49 Well, so it's pre the it's the reason why she joins them. So she doesn't have the profession yet. That's the reason why she joined it because she wanted a mission. She wanted something to make sense and make important in her life. She had already lost her mother. Her father was basically dis disinterested disengaged from her life. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. So she had nothing, no real major ties or anything to make anyone, any reason to make anyone feel proud or make anything of her life. Cuz she had nothing to prove. So the fact that suddenly someone goes, Hey, you wanna enjoy the CIA and save the world, allows her to get to finally find someone who will give her the approval that she's always Seeked in life. Speaker 2 00:29:36 Mm. Okay. Well your answer prompts. Another question, which is how long has she been doing this? Speaker 3 00:29:42 Since she was a freshman and she is now a grad student. Speaker 2 00:29:45 Yeah. So she's been doing it for a while. She didn't develop any meaning in her life from that. Speaker 3 00:29:50 No. So again, I think the phrasing is why you're getting confused because she said she joined them because she wanted something to make meaning in her life. So she stayed because that gave her and fulfilled her. But she, right, right. Speaker 2 00:30:06 But now she's saying this to Dan. Speaker 3 00:30:08 Yeah. So outside of work, finally, she finally found something other than work that makes life worth living because all she had was work. She only had work up to that point. Speaker 2 00:30:20 I must not have picked up on that. Speaker 3 00:30:22 Or you just had a very good life. <laugh> <laugh> Speaker 2 00:30:26 No comment. Speaker 3 00:30:27 <laugh> wow. Sorry Bob. <laugh> I know you love S but Hey, <laugh> Speaker 0 00:30:35 She's on the plane with Marcus. We find that apparently Sloan does not like that. She's still in grad school. And we also find out that Mark's wife doesn't know the truth about his job. She asked if, you know, does it really after all these years and she's like, lying must get easier with time. Speaker 3 00:30:51 And he goes <laugh> I do it for her. Interesting that she always sit middle now. Now that Speaker 0 00:30:58 Oh, did she say middle? Speaker 3 00:30:59 She sat next. Speaker 0 00:31:00 Interesting. All right. Well I've so they arrive in Taipei. There's a big party. SI and Marcus are mingling. Danny calls. Sydney gets her answering machine. Remember those? Speaker 3 00:31:13 Aw, I had the exact same answering machine. <laugh> Speaker 0 00:31:17 Marcus collapses. As a distraction, as Danny is leaving a message. SI sets her watch for four minutes. Marcus activates the lighter, which knocks out all of the cameras. And Sydney goes to do her recon. Danny is still leaving his message. She's clearly drunk. And as he's leaving the message, she mentions that she's a spy. And as soon as that happens, listening stations, pick it up. Someone hears the voicemail, takes off his headset and goes to report to someone. Speaker 3 00:31:50 He never actually says that. He knows that she's a spy. He only mentions the fact that he knows she is living Speaker 0 00:32:00 Uhuh. He says, he says spice. Speaker 3 00:32:03 Does he? Speaker 2 00:32:04 No, I don't have the exact quote, but he says something like, I know you have a crazy job. I know things are wild. This world is dangerous. No matter what we do, spies live a dangerous life. I understand. And I'm here for it. Or something like Speaker 0 00:32:16 Starts with the whole thing about children. And he is like, like, you know, I want children. And sometimes yeah, he says spies. He does say spies, Speaker 2 00:32:24 Let's say spies, but he doesn't say you are a spy. Speaker 0 00:32:26 He, oh, he enough to say, it's Speaker 3 00:32:29 A slide. Speaker 2 00:32:29 It's Speaker 3 00:32:30 A strong, but it's not a direct, okay. It's enough that reasonable. You could brush it off if you need to. Speaker 2 00:32:39 So this scene was interesting for a couple reasons. It shows there's another side to Danny than just Mr. Handsome boyfriend doctor, man. Who's just so loving and just loves so much. Just loves her. So that was cool. I actually liked it. But then also this wider tap. So here's the question, gentlemen, do you think S St six was tapping his phone because he was dating Sydney or was it like a mass surveillance? And they were just looking for the word spy. Speaker 0 00:33:09 I think they were tapping his phone or tapping her phone. Speaker 3 00:33:12 Yeah. Yeah. Her line was tapped. Not his. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:33:16 Oh, mm-hmm Speaker 3 00:33:17 <affirmative> because eventually because they get the recording. Speaker 0 00:33:20 Yeah. So Sydney is picking a lock and we see her trying to get through the door. Sloan gets a call is informed about the voicemail, says he wants the audio. Like we were talking about Sydney gets through the doors is scanning the environment and the yeah, the whole time she's doing, she's scanning the environment, basically the blueprint. But as she goes into this place, she sees it's a lab finds the tech that was in the document that surfaced and is doesn't have enough time to grab it. And she has only two seconds left before the cameras go back up. She bolts upstairs. The cameras go back online before she gets all the way up. So they see Sydney coming up the stairs. Speaker 2 00:34:03 Yeah. Just like mission, impossible things. Don't always go perfectly. Which I like Speaker 3 00:34:08 If she hadn't gone for the photo, the close up, she would've been just fine. Mm-hmm Speaker 0 00:34:12 <affirmative> that's right. But she would never would've known it was there. Speaker 3 00:34:14 Yeah. But that's not her issue. <laugh> she's just an overachiever. Speaker 0 00:34:20 The Taiwanese guy who injected her, you know, in the future. But right previously, um, I think it's like the head of security there. Hmm. Finds her. She pretends that she was lost, that she was looking for the bathroom, which is the go-to excuse. Speaker 2 00:34:37 Yeah. The classic. But it's funny. Speaker 3 00:34:41 It's funny because it is the classic Speaker 0 00:34:43 <laugh> right. He lets her go. Sloane is talking to someone saying that Daniel found out about Sydney, uh, and it's revealed to be Victor Garber who? I don't remember. Hi, his character's name actually. Speaker 2 00:34:56 Mr. Brito. I also wanna say, try joke was good. There's just enough humor in this show to keep things different, a little bit different, but without having it be too silly, mm-hmm <affirmative> like, it's still a pretty serious show overall. Speaker 3 00:35:10 Yeah. Yeah. He goes, his name is Jack Bristo with Speaker 0 00:35:13 This Jack. Thank you. All right. It's Speaker 3 00:35:14 Always jacks. Speaker 2 00:35:16 I need of you Jack a hero's name. Speaker 0 00:35:18 <laugh> although thinking about Jack and this actor just reminds me of Titanic. Speaker 3 00:35:24 Mm Speaker 2 00:35:25 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:35:25 Go down with that second chip. Speaker 0 00:35:27 Zach. Doesn't get cuz he still hasn't seen Titanic. Speaker 3 00:35:30 Hey even I bye. Speaker 0 00:35:32 What, what Jack? Hey, you've never seen Titanic either. Speaker 3 00:35:35 No, Speaker 2 00:35:35 What's up on Christian <laugh> anyway. Future Gober will always be, uh, professor Stein debate. Uh, Speaker 0 00:35:43 Hold on, Jay. We're getting to talking about this later, but not during this episode, Speaker 3 00:35:48 But it's interesting cuz so this scene is interesting cuz you get Sloan talking about what he finds out and Jack goes, oh and then Sloan like genuinely is like, sorry, you just lost. You're going to be losing your, uh, future son-in-law. And he is like, yeah, shit happens. <laugh> and it's like, and, but it's not like you can see that there's a certain amount of detachment, but still a little bit of remorse. Mm-hmm <affirmative> but you get the sense that he is a no nonsense agent. You can tell that he is willing to do what he needs to do. And he even says at some point, you know me. Yeah. And so it sets up the fact that he is renowned for his ability to detach and do whatever ever is negative for the agency, which is interesting. Cuz you get the nice Marcus who is like, yeah, Hey I have a wife. Oh this ear, but it hurts my ears. And then you have Bey cue. Who's like it does four minutes. It does takes 43 pictures, but I want 47 cuz it's prime. You get well, so it just sets up a very serious and it reinforces the whole conversation with the son-in-law. Speaker 2 00:37:10 Yes. What I was gonna say about this. So yeah. I, Victor Garber now I wasn't expecting what of the funny Victor Carver was like. Yeah. I've never liked that guy. He called me up to ask if I could propose to his daughter. Speaker 0 00:37:24 <laugh> Speaker 3 00:37:24 <laugh> yeah. So because this is like one of the first, early times where I'm introduced to Victor car Uhhuh growing up, like I've always had this image of Victor car in my mind. Speaker 0 00:37:38 Okay. Speaker 3 00:37:38 Like a semi serious kind kind emotionally de detached Uhhuh. So like throughout his whole career, like this portrayal has always stayed in my mind <laugh> so then you get to like legends and you get the like, oh Speaker 0 00:37:54 He's much more goofy and all that. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:37:56 And like, so every time I see 'em I'm just like, wait, what? <laugh> and it just throws me off every time. Speaker 2 00:38:04 Like kind like how Hugo weaving is always gonna be agent Smith Speaker 0 00:38:08 Or Elron Speaker 3 00:38:09 It's the same period for me. The matrix is also Speaker 0 00:38:11 True. This is 2000. Yeah. 2001. Speaker 3 00:38:14 Same exact same time. So like this is when the have mentally formed into my mind in college. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:38:19 All the same spot, but yeah. Next is he has the big scene. This is the best part of the episode right here. Speaker 0 00:38:24 This is the best. Speaker 2 00:38:26 Yes. This is the big twist. Speaker 3 00:38:29 Please, please continue. Speaker 2 00:38:34 What? Oh my gosh. This is crazy. She works for the CAA. The CA doesn't kill their own people's spouses. What is going on? You guys didn't have that reaction. Speaker 0 00:38:45 I mean, I, I had a feeling he was dead. Speaker 2 00:38:48 So what I thought was gonna happen was that he was gonna have been toy the whole time working for the bad guys and then she was gonna have to Speaker 0 00:38:54 Kill him. Oh. So that's what, that was what your theory was thinking. Okay. All right. So yeah, no, I was definitely picking up dead vibes from him as soon as he said the spies and that he's a counter, Speaker 3 00:39:05 I expected a car accident, something very clean and simple considering it's her dad doing it. The fact that he left the body in the apartment, kind of that felt messed up. Felt real messed up. Yeah. Like, Hey honey. Yeah, you screwed up. So I left you a present Speaker 2 00:39:26 <laugh> I mean, it's totally something the bad guys would do, which as it turns out, they are the bad guys. I, I am not ashamed to admit that I totally did not see that twist coming that she was actually Speaker 0 00:39:35 More bad guys. All right. So Sydney Dr. Like with Danny's blood still on her clothes drives over to credit, dine goes in, sees Sloan is like, what did you do? And he's, you know, I might ask the same of you. She's obviously pissed. He won't let her out of the room and says that, you know, McCullough needs to see her. And McCullough go is like the polygraph, her and asks her about SD six, asks what she revealed, asks a lot, a lot of questions. Speaker 2 00:40:05 So, you know, I gotta say in covering our real life traders, like Robert Hanson. So he portrayed the FBI for a variety of reasons, according to our sources, way back then. Mm-hmm <affirmative> uh, one of which is he felt like he wasn't getting promoted fast enough. He mention the FBI like killed his wife. It seems like a great way to get people to betray you or to otherwise try to undermine the organization. Does it manufacture huge grievances? Speaker 3 00:40:31 Yeah. But if your life is the agency, then you come to terms with the fact that you screwed up. Speaker 2 00:40:37 Yeah. It's like a whole crazy mind game, which I did kind of like Speaker 3 00:40:41 Going to those questions. I like the fact that they're like, Hey, who are you? Blah, blah, blah. Mm-hmm <affirmative> the one question that oh, always screwed with me was the question of, so if you know people or your friends break the low, would you, is it appropriate to turn them in? Hmm. Now I have to ask, are you rats? Speaker 0 00:41:04 <laugh> yes. <laugh> Speaker 3 00:41:06 If you are an agent, what do you think they they're expecting from? Oh, Speaker 0 00:41:11 That's a good question. Speaker 3 00:41:13 Is why it always screws with my head. Because as an agent, they Speaker 2 00:41:17 Ask her that question in the episode. Speaker 3 00:41:18 Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:41:20 I don't remember that. Speaker 3 00:41:21 The second to the last question they asked they're like, so do you think it's appropriate too? If you are caught to turn or to report on, uh, your compatriots or, or your partners or something like that? Speaker 2 00:41:36 Oh, well that's a different question. <laugh> Speaker 3 00:41:39 Is it Speaker 2 00:41:40 Christian? Maybe I misheard Jay. I thought your original question was if your friend brings the law, do you tell on them? Speaker 3 00:41:46 Yeah. It's it's the same question. No, Speaker 2 00:41:48 Not the same question. Cause if you and your friend are serving your country in a foreign land, Speaker 3 00:41:54 But that's the whole point. That's the point they're asking this specific question. If you're, if your comp, if your companions screw you in this situation, you're an agent. Do you think it's appropriate? And would you turn on your friends? Do you think it's a good thing? So that's my question to you Speaker 2 00:42:15 Really? You're watching this show on a different level than me. Speaker 0 00:42:18 <laugh> Speaker 3 00:42:19 Are you gonna rat on your friends as an agent, Speaker 2 00:42:22 As an agent? No. <laugh> if they were criminals, guess they were agents? No. Speaker 3 00:42:27 No. If, if your friends are criminals and you are an agent, would you RA on your friends? Speaker 2 00:42:35 Well, let me go grab a book called fair play by James. Um, all said maybe he'll address this exact circumstance. I would presume that's very specific circumstance. You do whatever is best for the mission. Right? Speaker 3 00:42:46 Do you, Speaker 2 00:42:47 If it's best for the mission. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:42:49 What if it's just in general, they're like, Hey, your friends with suspect, your friends broke the law and you know, and you're an agent. This Speaker 2 00:42:56 Is such a very specific set of circumstances. Speaker 3 00:42:59 <laugh> I don't think it's a very specific, I think it's just a very interesting way. They, I would recommend you rewatching just that section. Speaker 0 00:43:07 Okay. Speaker 3 00:43:08 And listen to the exact wording because it really messed with me when I first heard it the first time and it messed with me again this time I was like, because it comes from an agent's perspective, but they're not those people are agents or are they agents? It's a very open question. So you have to come to terms in interpretation. Speaker 0 00:43:31 The one that actually got me thinking there was which I was like, that's an interesting, very specific question is like, have you ever had, you know, um, had an, uh, an enemy or I don't remember what phrase he term he used, but like an enemy who was so clever that you wanted them to escape. Speaker 3 00:43:48 That's almost the exact wording. Speaker 2 00:43:50 Yeah. He was like, were you ever proof suing a criminal? That was so clever. You thought they deserved to escape Speaker 0 00:43:55 For something like that? I was like, that is an interesting question. I was like, that is the thing where, you know, if you're chasing 'em you, you kind of admire like, oh, that that was very clever kind of thing. Like Speaker 3 00:44:05 You kind of wanna see it succeed cuz then you're like, oh, that was a great Speaker 0 00:44:09 Idea. One of the earliest like spy museum parties that I went to, I remember I met, I don't remember who these people were, but it was a Russian agent who defected. But before he defected, he had been, you know, running agents in the us and next to him was the FBI agent who was cha, who had chased him during those days. And now they're like good friends. Speaker 2 00:44:34 It's like, catch me if you can't. Speaker 0 00:44:36 Yeah. It's gotta be interesting. Like I'm sure you guys have stories of like, you know, oh, you catch me catch, you know, catch me if you can. Yeah. Basically that, so yeah. Seems like most of recent articles I've read about that whole thing says that apparently Frank Abignail like made up all of it. That whole story, which is a great movie, but not what we're talking about here today. Speaker 2 00:44:59 <laugh> it's a great story. Yeah. Who cares if it's not true? Speaker 0 00:45:02 When, uh, Sydney is done with the, in the polygraph, she is like staring at Sloan, talking to someone there's a closeup on the lips. I swear. I thought she was lips with just like admission of bar. Speaker 3 00:45:14 I'm pretty sure the implication is that she is reading the lips. Mm-hmm <affirmative> so she understands the fact that she's being rat Speaker 0 00:45:21 Out building see's that her car has been towed. Speaker 2 00:45:27 Is this out again? Til to injury? Speaker 0 00:45:29 Yep. I'm surprised in raining on her there <laugh> Speaker 3 00:45:32 And a lot is more set isn't playing in Speaker 0 00:45:34 The background. <laugh> which would've fit with some of the music choices here. Speaker 3 00:45:39 Yeah. I'll get to the music later. Speaker 0 00:45:42 Yeah. Right. We will. Right. We get, we gotta talk about that anyway. So back to, uh, when she's getting interrogated in Taiwan, so the head of security wants to know who she's working for. She says, all right, write this down. E M E T I B reverse. It <laugh> bite me. It Speaker 3 00:46:01 Was so good. It Speaker 0 00:46:02 Was so good. Speaker 2 00:46:04 Again, very much at nineties, something would say in the nineties it was bite me. I was surprised. Didn't tell him to eat shorts. Speaker 0 00:46:12 <laugh> Speaker 3 00:46:14 Uh that's too. That was too hard to spell out. Speaker 0 00:46:16 Yeah. So she says she's got nothing to lose and he is given a case with dental tools that Nope, you, you you've got a few things to lose too. Speaker 2 00:46:26 Yeah. That was a good comeback. Speaker 0 00:46:28 Cut. Back to Daniel's funeral. We see all the people. I don't think we see her father, but we see pretty much every like all the other people, including presumably Daniel's parents, we see will there, we see someone with pink hair talking to will apparently his sister, Speaker 2 00:46:45 Sister. Right. Speaker 3 00:46:46 Which felt really weird. Their interaction will and his sister like, eh, Speaker 0 00:46:51 Cause I like no idea who that was. I was like, she's like wearing Speaker 3 00:46:56 Likes. Yeah. Never mentioned. Never brought up by ever again. Like Speaker 0 00:47:02 He mentioned that her SIS, his sister, we, Speaker 3 00:47:05 We get that. Yeah. Yeah. We get to that. But like at this point we it's like let's Randall hug kiss. Goodbye. Definitely. Doesn't fit in. Stands out like call hell. Yeah. And then it's just like, Speaker 0 00:47:18 That's weird. Speaker 3 00:47:20 What? Speaker 2 00:47:20 Very strange choice. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:47:22 I mean, there was the drop line about his sister setting him up with someone, I guess that's to introduce that he has a sister, but that didn't connect the dots for me until later I was like, who is this person with the pink hair. Speaker 2 00:47:34 Yeah. And you there's a part where you see him playing with a little kid. Speaker 0 00:47:37 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:47:38 Yeah. So what I thought that was interesting because one Danny is a pediatrician. Speaker 0 00:47:44 Ah, Speaker 3 00:47:45 Two, he keeps talking about how he wants kids Uhhuh throughout his whole di trap. And then there's will playing with kids. Little parallels happen in here. Speaker 2 00:47:58 Yeah. That's true. But you don't need it. Speaker 3 00:48:02 No, 100%. It was unnecessary, but it was very interesting to see that they decided to show some parallels in that capacity. Speaker 2 00:48:09 Yeah. Yeah. At this point I have a note there's still a half an hour left. <laugh> Speaker 0 00:48:13 Don't Speaker 2 00:48:13 Go almost time. Speaker 0 00:48:15 Right. Speaker 3 00:48:16 Remember it's a pilot. So pilots typically a longer, because they need to like give the whole story that they want to expand upon in the season. Speaker 2 00:48:26 I mean, yes, that's true. But I just feel like the emotional climax is now. Right? So it feels like the act, Speaker 0 00:48:33 Huh? Speaker 2 00:48:33 I guess Speaker 0 00:48:33 Not though. Not really. Also Jay, I think we need a line, you know, we'll, we'll grab that audio and then grab everything that I told him and burn notice, line that up. It'll be exactly the same thing. I Speaker 2 00:48:46 Still Speaker 0 00:48:46 Agree. We go to Sydney, drinking wine next to her bed. She's listening to the, you know, rerecording it. So it's just her doesn't have Danny in it. Speaker 3 00:48:57 Mm-hmm <affirmative> and she is in the thank you. Aw, that was so sweet. It really was. It was very touchy. Speaker 0 00:49:04 I didn't notice that, that she says thank you. Speaker 3 00:49:07 Yeah, because you hear her, you hear the old message right before. And the last thing is she meant to say, thank you. Speaker 0 00:49:13 Oh, Speaker 3 00:49:13 That that's right. Then she rerecord and she takes a beat and she goes, thank you. And then she ends it. Speaker 0 00:49:20 Interesting. Didn't notice that didn't catch it. That's a good catch. All right. So back to her class, right? She, uh, as the old guys, lecturing, Sydney gets up page. Remember pagers who had a pager? I had a pager. I know Jay, you had a pager, not Speaker 3 00:49:35 Two way pager. Speaker 0 00:49:36 Ooh, fancy. I just had the one way pager, Speaker 3 00:49:39 But the keyboard and everything because had AOL instant messenger. Speaker 0 00:49:43 Really? Speaker 3 00:49:47 It was pretty, it was right. When cell phones came out, it came, they had instant messenger on Speaker 2 00:49:52 Some weird high red technology. Speaker 3 00:49:54 Interesting. I loved that thing cuz I saw it in math class just before <laugh> on IM this is right when like AOL Speaker 0 00:50:01 Came out. Oh I IM Speaker 3 00:50:03 Yeah. Was very popular. So in college at this time you either had a landline or you message people on AOL IM so none of us use our phones. We strictly message and got ahold of each other through AOL mm-hmm <affirmative> I am missed a messenger mm-hmm <affirmative> so like, if I wanted to coordinate friends, I would not call. I'd send a IM. And if you weren't at your computer, you're screwed. But this allowed me to always be in contact with my friend because I went to a tech college. So we're always around a computer. Speaker 0 00:50:33 <laugh> fair Speaker 3 00:50:33 Enough. So it was super easy, but we were never around our Speaker 0 00:50:36 Phone. Did you call it aim or did you call it a IM no aim. Okay. Cuz there are people I would not, uh, who call it a IM. Speaker 3 00:50:46 Oh, okay. No, it was aim at I CQ. Speaker 0 00:50:49 I CQ. Oh God, Speaker 2 00:50:51 I never used that. But I did use, Speaker 3 00:50:52 Yeah. I still know my I CQ number Speaker 0 00:50:55 Anyways, we're getting distracted again. We're getting nostalgic for this era. So she gets a page. It says Sloan 9 1 1, uh, after class Marcus finds her, he says that Sloan's impatient. They gave her a month. Three. Speaker 2 00:51:09 There's been a time jump. It's now three months from the previous scene. Speaker 0 00:51:13 Yeah. FTL is like apparently one of the rival organizations. They finished building the Mueller device. So Sydney goes to have dinner by herself at a restaurant. She's watching a couple at table room nearby, being sad. Speaker 2 00:51:26 So sad Speaker 0 00:51:28 Walks back to her car on the garage, gets in the car. Soon as she gets in, I thought there was gonna be someone in her back seat. That's what I was. Speaker 3 00:51:36 That's what I thought. Speaker 2 00:51:38 The way it was angled. The camera angle made it look like someone was gonna just come out and like mm-hmm, <affirmative> cut her Speaker 3 00:51:43 Throats on. I appreciate the upgrade from her old school. Eighties. SUV. Speaker 0 00:51:49 Yeah. What was that Speaker 3 00:51:50 To a nice F-150 I think it was F-150 to a brand new truck. Yeah. Which was which bright red pickup truck. So it was like, oh, insurance paid off. Speaker 0 00:52:01 There you go. Speaker 2 00:52:02 June from a night and day would be proud. Speaker 0 00:52:05 <laugh> so wouldn't she does get in the car. She sees a laser site and someone shoots like a machine pistol at her. Speaker 2 00:52:15 Yeah. It was like a micro Uzi or something. Speaker 3 00:52:17 Yeah. Yeah. Basically. I, I thought it was interesting. The fact that you could see it like underneath like the window still, but the truck is like seven inches higher than where the gun would be. So how does like, they're like doing the gangster, like over the Speaker 0 00:52:36 Shoulders. They're not like they're on, well, here's the only way this works and I know it's not true, but I'm gonna red count in my mind. It's one of those angled garages. Speaker 2 00:52:47 Uh, it definitely does not look like that, but we'll pretend Speaker 0 00:52:49 It was. That is all how, but in my mind, that's the way it works. Speaker 3 00:52:54 No, I get it. I was just, I was like, wait a minute. Speaker 2 00:52:57 Okay. Here's my theory. The guy's standing and shoots and then gets in the car immediately before the camera pan. No, Speaker 0 00:53:03 He's in the car. As he's already Speaker 3 00:53:05 In the car, they show the gun before they show the laser <laugh> oh, Speaker 2 00:53:09 That's bad Speaker 0 00:53:09 Though. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways. So she gets out of her car, tries to get away. She calls her roommate and says, you know, I don't know if my ringer is working. Can you call me back? So uses the ring to, Speaker 3 00:53:22 For Nokia ring to God, that ring tone haunts my life. Speaker 2 00:53:28 Haunts your dreams. I like how if she had a smartphone now she could just use a timer. Speaker 0 00:53:32 Yeah. Speaker 2 00:53:33 Get the timer in a 20 seconds. Speaker 0 00:53:35 I think those had timers already. Didn't they? Speaker 3 00:53:37 Yeah, they did. But they would, the timer sound would be very distinct. It's Speaker 0 00:53:42 Very, yeah, no it's because of that ring tone was very Speaker 3 00:53:46 In 2001, everyone who had a cell phone had this no key probably. And they had the exact same ring tone. So you immediately knew no, it's a cell phone rather than any other technological device. Not Speaker 2 00:54:03 To mention. They were so hard to use. It's probably easier just to ask someone to call you back than like figure out how to set the alarm. Speaker 0 00:54:10 I mean, I didn't knew how to do that on my Nokia. Well Speaker 2 00:54:12 Being shot at, Speaker 0 00:54:13 Well, I don't know about being sh yeah, fair enough. Okay. Extraction is able to get the drop on the Sal. I thought her kicks or, or her stunt woman's kicks looked pretty good. And then I noticed that the one point, like one of the guys who was a, a tornado kicking, like whoa dude. A good kid. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:54:32 It was 2001. The matrix was still very popular. Karate fights. Speaker 0 00:54:37 A car pulls around with her father in it. Speaker 3 00:54:41 Daddy. Speaker 2 00:54:42 Yeah. I was about to say thank you. She says daddy, which feels wrong. Considering their relationship. Any thoughts? Speaker 3 00:54:50 I not might be a different relationship. Speaker 0 00:54:52 Oh don't don't don't go there. Jay Speaker 2 00:54:55 Had to do that. Didn't Speaker 3 00:54:57 I, Speaker 2 00:54:58 I would say is a family friendly podcast. That's not, it's Speaker 0 00:55:01 Not Speaker 3 00:55:02 Family friendly stuff. Speaker 0 00:55:04 When's around. Speaker 2 00:55:06 Nope. And not after that one episode, Jack of all trades out the U erectile dysfunction. Speaker 0 00:55:11 Oh God. That's right. Were you Speaker 2 00:55:12 In any others before that? Yeah. Speaker 3 00:55:15 Way. She goes daddy and he yells at her that she needs to trust him. Blah, blah. They see the car she dumps in. He pulls out a handgun and she's like, daddy, what? Speaker 2 00:55:26 Oh my gosh, you have a gun. It's like amazing. You think she hasn't been a spy for the past five years or? Speaker 0 00:55:32 Yeah, but she didn't expect her dad to be a spy Speaker 3 00:55:35 Too. Yeah. He was a desk jock and some scientific. Speaker 2 00:55:38 He sells airplane parts. Speaker 0 00:55:40 Yep. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:55:41 The gun being a thing is totally. I would've been more surprised by the driving. The fact that he can do a quick 180 into a reverse into all that. I would've been like put on your seatbelt, honey. It was like, Speaker 0 00:55:58 What Speaker 2 00:56:00 On driver? Speaker 3 00:56:01 Oh, dare you give me that gun. She, the fact that she doesn't the gun from him mm-hmm <affirmative> caught me off guard. I was like, that's true. You're the smart. Yeah. You want the gun in your hands? Why are you letting daddy deal with it? Speaker 0 00:56:14 So he shoots one of the, the people chasing them in a who's in another car, says that the agency doesn't trust her anymore. He reveals that he also works for SD six and says, you know, you got to go to this place and this place go to switch, get in the car. Yeah. She, this is when she feels for the mask to make sure it's actually him, Speaker 2 00:56:34 But they never talk about that. They use masks ever. If you haven't seen a mission of possible movie, it just looks like she's just grabbing his face for no reason. I mean like I figured it out, but I am an informed viewer Speaker 3 00:56:46 Are Speaker 2 00:56:47 <laugh>. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:56:49 But at this time, I mean, you still wanna be like, are you real likes the whole, that could be that ideal. Are you a real person? What are you doing? Speaker 2 00:56:58 Okay. So do they use masks later? Speaker 3 00:57:01 I will not say watch these season. Speaker 2 00:57:03 I'm not gonna watch. Just tell me, please. Speaker 3 00:57:05 No, <laugh> watch the, Speaker 2 00:57:07 Okay. So the thing is something I wanted to also mention is that this is a JJ Abram show, but unlike certain other JJ Abras properties, it's not endless mystery boxes. There are some mysteries to Speaker 0 00:57:19 You invested, Speaker 2 00:57:20 But it's not like Speaker 0 00:57:21 1,000,001. I know of this show. Speaker 3 00:57:23 Watch the Speaker 0 00:57:25 <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:57:26 I'm just talking about the pilot. Speaker 0 00:57:27 OK. Okay. Fair enough. That's true. This Speaker 2 00:57:30 One thing is like a tiny little thing you blink and you miss it, but it's a mystery and it's, I assume it is explained later, but if Jay won't tell me, Speaker 0 00:57:38 Or it could be like the rabbits foot, which Speaker 2 00:57:40 Is never explain, uh, that is also classic JJ Uhhuh Speaker 3 00:57:44 <affirmative> yeah, 100%. Speaker 0 00:57:46 He reveals that a decade ago, a pool of agents went rogue. They're known as the Alliance of 12. And then the big reveal, SD six is a branch of the Alliance, not of the CIA. And she's been lied to this whole time. All the junior lower level agents are lied to Speaker 3 00:58:04 On the enemy, Speaker 2 00:58:05 But here's the thing. How does she know he's telling the truth? Speaker 3 00:58:09 Cause Speaker 0 00:58:10 It's daddy. He does. I mean, Speaker 2 00:58:11 But she doesn't like it for dad. Really? Speaker 0 00:58:14 The fact that he knows all the like said that he knows about SD six, he knows about the, the Alliance of 12. He knows all this stuff. Speaker 3 00:58:22 He just pulled amazing driving stunt. Uh, but shoot the hell out of people like, Speaker 2 00:58:28 And SD six did kill her fiance and almost tried to Speaker 0 00:58:31 Kill her. Yeah. There's that too. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:58:33 There's a lot of things play towards making this a reasonable discussion for whatever reasonable discussion is at this point. Speaker 0 00:58:40 Reasonable as a word. Let's see. <laugh> Speaker 2 00:58:42 Yeah. So there's also a point where he says, why do you think you've never been to Langley? My initial reaction was to scoff, but then I was like, well, if she's in the next level covert group, that's like, so super secret. No one never knows about it. Speaker 0 00:58:58 Farm or anything. Yes. Speaker 2 00:59:00 Yeah. So I buy it. I have a problem with that. It is all good. Speaker 0 00:59:03 Anyway. So we go back to the torture scene from the very beginning, the head guard is about to pull some teeth. She's one last time. Who do you work for? She doesn't doesn't give him an answer. Gets her teeth pulled. Speaker 3 00:59:18 Can he start from the back? <laugh> which is great. Speaker 2 00:59:21 That was like crazy. That part was, I didn't even talk about it. It was outta control. Speaker 3 00:59:26 I appreciate the fact that she's like, don't mess up on Speaker 0 00:59:29 The news. Yeah, Speaker 3 00:59:29 Yeah, yeah. Or on the back. I, I wanna still look Speaker 0 00:59:32 Good. So we go to see will at work. He is works at a newspaper seemingly Speaker 2 00:59:38 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a journalist. They say that. Speaker 0 00:59:40 Yeah. Mm-hmm <affirmative> he gets a note from Sydney that says I'm on the roof. She says she needs, his help needs to borrow one of his sister's credit cards and her Speaker 3 00:59:49 Passports that a $3,000 limit minimum mm-hmm <affirmative> that she'll pay back. Speaker 2 00:59:55 So I guess this is why they had this sister earlier. So she had the bright red hair. Yeah. But then I'm also kind of like, so she's the one fictional spy who doesn't have a shoebox full of passports and credit cards ready to be used at a moments notice. Speaker 3 01:00:08 Oh, she's been burned. So she can't use any other things. Speaker 0 01:00:11 Oh, Michael Weston also doesn't have any of that. Speaker 2 01:00:13 Okay. She hasn't been burned yet though. So this was Speaker 3 01:00:17 No, the agency set agents to kill her, Speaker 2 01:00:20 But then at the end she comes back to them and they're like, welcome back Speaker 0 01:00:24 Because she did the classic Ethan Hunt. Oh, you think I'm accused of doing something so no, I'm gonna do it and actually pull it off and bring it back to you Speaker 3 01:00:34 And prove I'm better and you need me. But yeah, at this time, the assumption is all of anything that the agency has given her has burned and she can't rely on anybody or anything internally to her life. She has to depend on external Speaker 2 01:00:50 Resources. Okay. Yeah. I got some of that. It just wasn't so super clear exactly what was going on between her and the agency. Speaker 0 01:00:58 Eh, I mean, they sent people to kill her. How much more clear do you need to be? Speaker 3 01:01:02 And daddy specifically said the, if you don't get on that, in that car and fly away, the agency is going to burn you to the ground. Basically. Speaker 2 01:01:12 Eventually Speaker 3 01:01:13 <laugh> Speaker 2 01:01:15 Nomine fine. It was funny. She's like, I need to take your sister's passport. Couldn't she just take anybody's passport and doctor it cuz she's a super spine. Speaker 0 01:01:28 Well, so here's the thing. So she goes into the gas station, bathroom, dyes her hair and adds the mole, her passport into her own, to her own face. I like that. Cause she's so distinctive looking. People are gonna focus on the hair and maybe the mole, they're not gonna really pay attention to the face. Speaker 3 01:01:44 Yeah. Uh Speaker 0 01:01:45 That's why you picked that person. Speaker 3 01:01:47 Yeah. I really appreciated this fact, the fact that one it's very low sophistication mm-hmm <affirmative> is strictly taking a artist pen and drawing a little mole on the passport because who's going to yeah. Have a passport. It just looks like it works. So she doesn't have to rip it up. Worry about any of that stuff, Uhhuh. And then she just kind of has to do this. Cause like you said, it's a very distinct people. Remember very specific markers on people's faces. They don't go, oh it's blah, blah, blah. Where hair? This flying. They go pink hair malt. That's all it is. Yeah. Those are the things that, so I really appreciated the fact that they, she went low key, but very specific with the mold. Speaker 0 01:02:37 Uh, and now like it was a good, like also when she was interacting with a gate agent, it was really like making her focus on the hair and all on the makeup and everything and not on what her face looked Speaker 3 01:02:49 And very personable. So like the connect at a whole different level rather than just customer. Okay. This customer had a ball. This customer had this. Oh. And wanting to make this person wanting to make Sydney 16th. Speaker 2 01:03:07 Yeah. I wanted to try to help her out. Usually when you see spies go through checkpoints like this in the movies, you're just like, yes, no, like Speaker 3 01:03:15 Very not. Yeah. Yeah. Very low key. The fact that she went overboard to make it more, to make that connection in case something went wrong. Mm-hmm <affirmative> they have that connection to make that little extra effort, which was perfect in this situation. Oh Speaker 0 01:03:30 Yeah. Speaker 2 01:03:31 I get the impression that this is what the show is like her with crazy hair, crazy costumes, up to crazy things. Speaker 3 01:03:37 Why is pink hair crazy? Speaker 2 01:03:39 Crazy's unusual. Speaker 0 01:03:41 She lands in Taipei, uh, changes into an all black outfit. She's about to pick a lock on like an older car. When someone approaches, she stops, they have a nicer car. They have a, was it a JAG? Speaker 3 01:03:53 Uh, Mercedes, I wanna Speaker 0 01:03:56 Say, I feel like it's a, no, I think it is a JAG cuz like there's like a, when she opens a door, there's a big prominent thing about the Jaguar security on like the window. Oh maybe Speaker 3 01:04:05 I Speaker 2 01:04:05 Don't. Oh, I didn't see that. That's another little bit of nice humor. Speaker 3 01:04:08 Yeah. Going back to uh, for a hot second. Uh oh yeah, go ahead. The changing into the black outfit and everything. This also is to Zach point of the matrix fail. No, the matrix fail because the agents are all wearing like kind of, sort of baggy black suit tuxedos with black ties. Yep. She changes. And like the people that she fights are wearing long black trench coats, she ends up with a black trench coat and all black it's. Yeah. So like it just keeps tying back into it. And I thought that was cause when you first started to talk about the matrix, I was like, okay, wait till we get to this part. Speaker 2 01:04:46 <laugh> absolutely. Speaker 0 01:04:48 But yeah. So she goes into the building she breaks in, she gets back down to the lab. Speaker 3 01:04:52 Can we talk about her, her ability to pick locks now? Speaker 0 01:04:57 Well, I was gonna say well, okay, sure. Let's talk about it. What? Speaker 2 01:05:00 <laugh> quiet Speaker 3 01:05:02 Breaks her lock pick. Yeah. Speaker 2 01:05:04 She's not perfect. She's not Joanna dark Speaker 0 01:05:08 That's of reference. Speaker 2 01:05:10 Yeah. Thank you. Speaker 3 01:05:11 Very specific reference Speaker 0 01:05:13 <laugh> right. Yeah. Speaker 2 01:05:14 Yeah. Like she, she can do lots of cool things. I like the part where she climbs the wall. That was like another really good part, but she's not perfect at picking a lock. She's sometimes screws up and gets caught. Yeah. She's get caught somehow. Speaker 3 01:05:26 Like the whole time she's doing she's like manhandling and like, I'm like, what are you? Oh, I appreciated her, her scaling the wall and all that stuff. But then like, and it's funny because in earlier in the episode you see her picking a lot too, and she's very delicate, very like very precise. But now she feels the urgency behind it. Like she needs to this to do to per to Speaker 2 01:05:56 Yeah. Prove, prove herself are different. This isn't just another day at the office. Speaker 3 01:06:00 Yeah. And it showcases that she's a human being, which is a bigger part of the whole episode that she is a person who feels stressed. She's not the perfect agent because she breaks regulations and all that stuff. But yeah. I was just like, what are you doing? What do you do? Speaker 0 01:06:18 <laugh> Speaker 3 01:06:19 You have time? Oh Speaker 2 01:06:21 Yeah. She also gets surprised by just this random guard. Speaker 0 01:06:24 Well, yeah. Well she cuz she's panicking about the broken lock pick and then the guy like sneaks up on her and knocks her out. And then I think where this is the point where we're finally caught up to the beginning. Yes. Again like mission impossible, three, pretty much to the climax of it. That's when you're finally caught up with the stuff that happened in the beginning. Speaker 2 01:06:43 Yep. Speaker 3 01:06:44 Yeah. Welcome to 45 minutes ago. <laugh> Speaker 0 01:06:48 Right. <laugh> the head of security tells her that uh, he gave her a pill that would stop the pain, but a wear off in two hours that it's been almost two hours. So she has a choice, more pills or will pull another tooth. Speaker 2 01:07:02 I think you mean the red pill or the blue pill? Speaker 0 01:07:04 Ah, get him to like come really close head butts him, flips over him with the chair and knocks him out. Speaker 2 01:07:16 So I think this was how black widow was escaped in the Avengers movie. Speaker 0 01:07:21 Yes. Very much Speaker 2 01:07:21 So. So something I'm wondering in the next bit, she's about to kill a lot of time when these people in very gruesome ways. Yeah. So my question is if she's working for the bad guys, doesn't that make these guys, the good guys, Speaker 0 01:07:33 Eh, Speaker 2 01:07:34 And if it's not that black and white, then maybe SD six are not as bad as were led to believe. Like was all that stuff they said about the optimist true or not, Speaker 3 01:07:44 You know, it all the lens of perspective and intentions. Speaker 0 01:07:47 <laugh> Speaker 2 01:07:48 I'm just saying if I were her, I wouldn't have murdered all these people without at least trying to ascertain what Speaker 0 01:07:53 Was well, okay. She definitely kills the head of security. I think. No, she doesn't definitely Speaker 3 01:07:58 Shoots the next room. She does not kill the security. That's Speaker 0 01:08:02 Right. Cause she cuffs him to a chair and stabs it. Speaker 3 01:08:06 Yeah. He's still alive when she leaves, but she definitely shoots a lot of other people <laugh> yeah. Speaker 0 01:08:11 Yeah. Well I did like how she like breaks the, uses it like in, in a scream of stick Speaker 2 01:08:16 Mm-hmm <affirmative> do you like the dual wielding? This was the biggest matrix Speaker 0 01:08:20 That is very matrix. Yeah. <laugh> Speaker 2 01:08:22 Very nineties. I remember dual wielding was huge halo two. Wow. Speaker 0 01:08:27 So she shoots the door, open to the lap, sees the Mueller device. There's a floating red ball is like trying to unhook the wires for it. But when she does the ball sitting, Speaker 2 01:08:37 Right. Speaker 3 01:08:38 Did you expect anything like when you see it like fall and pop or like as you saw it floating, did you expect like anything out of that whole Speaker 0 01:08:46 Situation? I mean it's a JJ Abrams thing, so there's always some sort of red, you know, floating material, like in star, like red matter and star Trek or nice. Was there anything in force awakens Speaker 2 01:08:59 Force awakens? No, Speaker 0 01:09:01 I feel, well, I feel like the rabbits foot is like a floating red thing inside like a biohazard thing. Isn't it? I actually don't know. I don't remember what a rabbits foot looks like now. Yeah. Speaker 2 01:09:10 Jay, this part did, it did strike me as a little bit weird. But at this point I was just belonging for the ride. Speaker 3 01:09:15 Yeah. I just assumed like it was a device that like, if she disconnected, it would blow up or something would happen. And which is why it took two minutes for her to unclip the one wire Uhhuh. And I was like expecting her to like drop it and grab it or do something. The first time I saw it, even this time, I was like, wait, what happens here? Is she, does she have to grab it? What does, what? I just expected more like, yeah, the rabbit Speaker 0 01:09:42 Foot is like a red thing inside of a vial. Speaker 3 01:09:45 It's literally just like a water polo load. Why she gets it. She pulls it out. She wraps it up. She gets shot at by guards. Right. She, she figures out there's gas line running throughout the whole entire lab. So it's the wonderful thing of hiding around the corner. And then running goes, Hey guys. And they shoot and it blows up and she runs out of Speaker 2 01:10:09 That. She escapes. Speaker 0 01:10:11 Yep. And this is where the like Mo jarring music. No man's woman. Oh, well like it was, it was like, yeah. 90 or CW music over this action scene that was still going. I was like, this doesn't quite connect. Speaker 2 01:10:27 Well, it was like captain Marvel where it's like, oh, I'm just a girl. She's punching people Speaker 0 01:10:32 That worked. This did not, I Speaker 3 01:10:34 Think it's sophisticated by stereo M C Speaker 2 01:10:37 But I think that's what they were going for. Speaker 0 01:10:39 I know. So she gets away back at credit. Delphine, Sloan gets a call, says, all right, send her in. And Sydney comes in with the device, presents it to snow. I'm back. I'm taking the week off. I've got midterms. And then does the classic spy thing of all right. I'm gonna crowd. I'm gonna disappear. As something goes in front of me. Speaker 2 01:11:01 Yeah. I'll never get sick of that. That's great. Speaker 0 01:11:03 Oh, I love it. I love it. And then we see her go into a building, says she needs to speak to the director, Mr. Devlin. And they're like, no, he's not available. Is that tell him he has a walk in and then we zoom out. And of course we see the giant CIA seal on the floor. Speaker 2 01:11:18 It's been a long time since we've seen that seal on one of our things. Speaker 0 01:11:21 That's actually true. You know, that's a fair point, but it's always there. <laugh> Speaker 2 01:11:26 It's a good reveal though. Speaker 0 01:11:27 Yeah, it is. It is a good reveal. We meet Vaughn, uh, agent Vaughn. Who's bringing in food for Sydney and Hey, guess who's else is in there. Greg Greenberg. Speaker 2 01:11:36 Yeah. I was gonna say it if you didn't. He looks a lot younger here too. Mm-hmm <affirmative> I mean, I guess they all do except for Jennifer Garner, but yeah. Speaker 0 01:11:45 So Sydney is making a full writeup. She's writing pages and pages and he's like, you need a thing. No, another pen, this one's dead. He says it could take weeks to verify her info. He says, but you know, we could use another in side person in SD six. And like immediately Sydney is like, all right, one either I'm already been verified. And that's why you're telling me about this dollar SD six or two. Uh, you think I'm not actually, you know, a double agent. And so if I'm a triple, I can, you can send me back to my agency thinking that there's another double agent there that I can report on. And he is like, Nope, I just have a good feeling about you. I've got you again, instinct about you. Speaker 2 01:12:28 Yeah. Right. I also immediately noticed that he said another double. Speaker 0 01:12:31 Oh yeah. I saw Speaker 2 01:12:32 You guys did as well. Mm-hmm <affirmative> he says eating help with your teeth. And she says she's all right. What? <laugh> Speaker 0 01:12:41 She's got her own dentist. Apparently Speaker 2 01:12:43 She's like a dentist is ready to put all of her teeth back. Speaker 3 01:12:47 I'm sure. S St six has a great dental plan. Speaker 0 01:12:50 Yeah. Right. Speaker 2 01:12:51 I did not Google how exactly putting teeth in and out. Speaker 0 01:12:55 I mean, you get an implant. You wouldn't have to be an implant Speaker 3 01:13:00 If you do it in a very specific timeframe, I believe you can shove it back in. It might not be the same. So like when kids lose teeth early, they're told to like put the tooth back in. If you still have it Uhhuh, otherwise a jaw will form incorrectly. So like if it gets knocked out, just shove it back in. If you can Speaker 2 01:13:19 Be truth. I don't wanna time on this. I just, anyway, I just thought that was fine. She was like, I got it. Uhhuh. Speaker 3 01:13:26 I mean, she'll wear braces. They'll be fine. Speaker 2 01:13:28 Yep. Speaker 0 01:13:29 She goes to visit Daniel's grave and she's laying flowers there. Her father's behind her. He walks up, says, he's very sorry about Daniel. She says, no, I wanna be left alone. Nothing changes between you and I. Now that I know the truth about us, he reveals that he asked Devlin if he could be the one to tell her himself, which means that he's actually CIAA and they verified her statement. And he also said he appreciated her not naming him in all of her writeups, Speaker 3 01:14:00 Which implies her answer to, oh, Speaker 0 01:14:04 That's why you brought that up. Speaker 2 01:14:07 Goes back. Oh yeah. Also this scene has so much acoustic guitar Speaker 0 01:14:14 <laugh> of course, you know, all right, how am I supposed to trust you? Well, we're just gonna have to learn to trust each other and give, he gives her a phone which rings and she answers. And that's what the end of our episode. Speaker 2 01:14:28 All right. So now it's time for our SP facts versus fiction. Now I admit this is now the greatest source top tens with a z.by Heather Matthews. What does the CA look for in a recruit and the reason why now this is cuz she, they said she fit the profile. Okay. And I was like, what is the profile? And I couldn't find a profile, but I did find this. Speaker 0 01:14:50 All right. Speaker 2 01:14:51 What it said was 20% of new hires are from the mid-career category. If you guys are thinking about making a career change, Speaker 0 01:14:59 Hmm. Speaker 2 01:15:00 An under graduate degree is not required, but just strongly recommended and hire is good too. They want the best in terms of academics. That's why they're found recruiting an Americas, most elite colleges, but they're not particular about what subject just do well in whatever subject you choose. Speaker 0 01:15:17 Interesting. Speaker 2 01:15:17 It says they like hiring people who have traveled or lived in foreign nations for long periods of time. Cuz they're candidates who can immerse themselves in foreign cultures and pick up the nuances of cultural differences recruiters, one candidates who have been drug free for at least a year in the past, they had to be drug free for longer. But the rules have been relaxed. Hmm. I thought it would be longer than that. I thought it'd be like drug free your whole life. Speaker 3 01:15:40 So initially it was way longer. And then they truncated it to 10 years because of the equip. And then they truncated to seven years. And now, because they can't find anyone who hasn't <laugh> they have basically have been like a year or ish. So yeah, because of today's they can't find candidates anymore. Who haven't are taken in Speaker 2 01:16:05 Anything. Yeah. There's also been a few news articles about like cyber security jobs. How everyone smokes weeds. They can't find people. Speaker 3 01:16:12 Yeah. 100%. This is why private sector gets all the people because they're like, I'm never passing this fucking test and I'm never passing the poly <laugh> Speaker 2 01:16:22 <laugh> okay. So, so that's one. The other one I have is main news. That's main like the state. Okay. Main news online. What do you say? Agents tell their fail. Like everything you should know. Speaker 0 01:16:32 Interesting. All right. Speaker 2 01:16:34 So it says they can tell their spouse or loved ones. Doesn't specify, which loved ones. I maybe means like immediate family that they work for the CIA, but further increase into their job. TTLs are prohibited. They're not allowed to divulge what they did at work. That makes sense. Job titles can be shared for some lines of the work. You could say your geographical area, but not the exact area that you work in. Speaker 0 01:16:58 Hmm. All right. Speaker 2 01:16:59 They can marry according to the article and have a married life will continue to do their job. The same rules that family members do apply for them. They're not allowed to disclose details of the job to their spouses. Now here's the interesting part. All Speaker 0 01:17:11 Right. Sea source, Speaker 2 01:17:13 If a CIA agent becomes involved with a foreign resident Uhhuh during their work abroad, that individual must pass both a background and polygraph test before even telling that they work for the CIA. Speaker 0 01:17:27 How do you facilitate that? Speaker 2 01:17:30 The article's not so clear. Speaker 3 01:17:32 That's the same thing. When you go for security clearances, one of the questions is have you had relationships right? With, for, for internationals, blah, blah, blah, which then requires them to be brought in for a background in which would entail an investigation of some sort into their background before you can fully commit to that whole RI but it, yeah. I mean, if you're going for certain clearances, it does require you to be like, to answer properly of, have you engaged in there foreign nationals, uh, have, has any foreign national paid for anything on that? Right. I mean, even the citizens desk to become a citizen, that's one of the major questions. Speaker 2 01:18:12 Yeah. So the fact that Danny has a British accent leads me to think that he's not a us citizen, which, ah, maybe that's an assumption. He could be a dual citizen or whatever, but that would be even more next level why she shouldn't have told him without clearing it <laugh> and that that's all for me. Speaker 0 01:18:28 Like you, I was also curious about that. So I have a different source for that. Um, I have an article by James Powell who is a former CA intelligence officer, who he wrote this article for sore, um, military grade content. And it's tough 10 things that everyone gets wrong about the CIA regarding spouses. Um, he says that if you are married or have a long term domestic partner, the agency requires that you tell your other half from day one. Speaker 2 01:18:58 Oh Speaker 0 01:18:59 Yeah. Along with that, there are other reasons why you would be able to, why you would required to, or otherwise able to divulge your affiliation with the CIA. Not everyone at the agency is undercover covert as he was some overt and, and can and do listed on applications, resumes, et cetera. Speaker 2 01:19:14 What does he mean by day one? Like the first date Speaker 0 01:19:17 Or seemingly if you already with them and you apply Speaker 3 01:19:21 If you are in a relationship. Speaker 0 01:19:23 Yeah. Speaker 2 01:19:24 Well you DTR, that's what you have to tell Speaker 0 01:19:26 'em. I was also interested about their recruitment processes. So I actually went to the CIA's website on their hiring process. So nowadays, rather than the old days of, you know, what I've heard about in red where you, you know, they recruit from on, you know, college campus and everything you apply online. I think it's actually on USA jobs. Mm-hmm <affirmative> as is like the application to become an astronaut, which I found hilarious that there's no growth on USA jobs, there's screening, testing, and interviews. If you pass that you get a conditional offer of employment and SF 86 form. And then after that you get your security and medically evaluations, uh, after that you get your official job offer and onboarding and that's when you can get to, uh, actually work there. So it's a whole, that's the whole process, which is a lot less cloak and dagger than it used to be, which I find a little let down, but also a little kind of funny Speaker 3 01:20:24 It's the initial portal versus so there are other factors that go into the whole process. It's just strictly, I mean, does the CIA hosts job Speaker 0 01:20:35 Fairs? Oh yeah. No, I've Speaker 2 01:20:38 Like an awesome ground. Speaker 0 01:20:39 Yeah. Oh yeah. Or, or they're at awesome ground. Yeah, no, that's true. All right. So what else I have about, uh, I have from Wikipedia about he and demonic, which are the scripts that, okay. Sydney thinks it's, the notes are written in Heric at first, but the, the Sloan correction is it's actually demo or demonic demo, demo demonic. Speaker 2 01:21:00 So like demonic Speaker 3 01:21:01 It's 100% demonic cause it's erratic versus demonic. Yeah. And it's just a very rare classical language. Speaker 0 01:21:10 It's the name that's given to a cursive writing system that's used for ancient Egyptian and it's the principle <inaudible>, that's used to write that language from its development in the third century, uh, third millennium BC until the rise of demo in the mid first century, BC and demo was used yeah. In, in the Nile Delta and yeah, following that and I looked at it and it's interesting to look at for me cuz I, you know, studied as a hobby. I studied a bit of like hieroglyphics and you can see the evolution from the hi graphics to the Heric as say, oh, I, I can actually recognize the shapes here. And then when you go to demotic, it becomes a bit more like, you know, oh wait, that's where that shape comes of. Not, not as clear, but it is interest to see that. Speaker 3 01:21:53 Yeah. The progression is Speaker 0 01:21:55 Unique. Yeah. And lastly walk-in agent, so this is also from Wikipedia. A walk-in agent is an individual who voluntarily offers to conduct espionage specifically a walk-in agent is an agent or Mo of a government who literally walks into an embassy or intelligence agency without prior contact or recruitment. Speaker 2 01:22:14 I feel like we've had those in other episodes, but nothing is Speaker 0 01:22:17 I, we might have talked about it back in, in the way early in uh what's the Robert Hanson movie Speaker 2 01:22:26 Breach. Speaker 0 01:22:28 Yeah. Speaker 3 01:22:29 Maybe Speaker 0 01:22:30 They called out that he was that Speaker 3 01:22:32 He was a walk it, yeah, Speaker 0 01:22:33 It was a walk. Speaker 2 01:22:34 No, what was the one where it was a Soviet guy and he went up to two American like tourists and like, Hey, can you pull me in touch with your courier? The courier? Okay. Excuse me. Speaker 0 01:22:45 Yeah. I guess he might have been a well yeah, well, no, cuz he that's not technically a walk-in cuz he like sent them information saying, Hey I'm this is me. Like Walkins literally walk into the embassy saying, Hey I have information. Speaker 2 01:22:57 All right. Well it was the closest I could think of. Speaker 3 01:22:59 Yeah. He engages Speaker 0 01:23:00 Outside anyway. So that's what I have for SP fact versus spy fiction. All right. So should we move on to our favorite quotes? Speaker 2 01:23:08 Uh, yes. JSR guess would you like to go first? Speaker 3 01:23:10 No, I would like to hear your quotes first. Speaker 0 01:23:13 All right. Speaker 2 01:23:14 Okay. Can I go first Christian? Speaker 0 01:23:16 Sure, sure. Speaker 2 01:23:17 I only had a few. I had Hey guys, just cause I thought it was so late. Anything better? Better. You guys were professional Hollywood screenwriter. Similarly, when she says to her interrogator, I am your worst enemy. That just sucked is my favorite because it was so bad. But what I actually really did like was she says to Sloan, you killed him and he says, no, you did. Speaker 0 01:23:43 <laugh> Speaker 2 01:23:43 Like, yeah, it's a cliche. But it's a cliche that I like, whatever. Speaker 0 01:23:47 When they're talking about Sydney's dad and they say, unless you're talking about importing airline parts, that man's got nothing to say, which reminded me of Ethan Hunt's job, like boring job of being EV traffic analyst and like, oh, so they're I was like, once they said that and they're trying to like set up, oh that he's boring. He's like, no, he's definitely a spy. Isn't he? <laugh> Speaker 2 01:24:07 You obvious red herring. Speaker 0 01:24:09 Yeah. I did like the E M E T I B now reverse it Speaker 3 01:24:14 So classy. Speaker 0 01:24:15 Uh, I've got, when she says I have nothing to lose and the security guard says that's not exactly true. You have teeth. Speaker 3 01:24:22 Awesome. Fantastic. Speaker 2 01:24:23 Good comeback security guard Speaker 0 01:24:24 Please. When Sydney is, you know, returned, she's like I'm back, I'm taking the week off. I've got midterms. Speaker 2 01:24:31 Yeah. It's like, was that a joke or not? It's it's hard to say. Speaker 3 01:24:34 Well it was her excuse to be not to be on my, Speaker 0 01:24:39 Yeah. Speaker 3 01:24:41 I mean obviously my quote is gonna be daddy <laugh> oh Speaker 0 01:24:45 God. Speaker 2 01:24:46 <laugh>. Speaker 3 01:24:47 That's why I wanted to be last. Uh, yeah, no it's yeah, it was 100% daddy, but like, yeah. Cause who's gonna ever surpass that. Cause this is 2001 before dead. He's like thing. Speaker 2 01:25:03 Was it though? Speaker 3 01:25:05 Well, compared to today's world. Yeah. <laugh> Speaker 2 01:25:08 Everyone. Everybody's life. Speaker 0 01:25:10 God <laugh>. Wow. Speaker 3 01:25:13 No, the other thing is when, uh, Bradley Cooper's like, do you wanna get a couple extra laps in? I wanna get, um, I'm gonna go get a couple extra laps and she's just like, you just put your shirt on Speaker 2 01:25:25 Is very awkward. Speaker 0 01:25:26 Mm-hmm <affirmative> Speaker 2 01:25:28 All right. So now it's time for our ratings on a scale of one to 10 martinis, one being Avengers 9 97 and 10 being even better than the pilot of burn notice, how would we rate truth? Be told the pilot of alias. Jay, you are a guest. Would you like to go first? Speaker 0 01:25:43 That title keeps growing me off <laugh> when you say it. Sorry Jay, go ahead. Speaker 3 01:25:48 No, wait to give it three bourbons into a drunk call admitting that your future wife is a spy Speaker 2 01:26:00 <laugh> and getting yourself killed. Speaker 3 01:26:02 Yeah, no it's gonna be seven. Speaker 0 01:26:04 It's gonna be seven. Okay. Speaker 3 01:26:05 Well three bourbons, which is really his seven in quality or eight in quality. Speaker 0 01:26:10 I'd say I see. Okay. All right. All right. Seven. Okay. Zach, Speaker 2 01:26:14 Like Chuck, I came in with no expectations at all. I knew nothing about the show and I'm trying to think what makes it jump out from the rest of the pack. So the reveal that she's working for, the bad guys who killed her fiance, that that was cool, but I didn't connect that much to Sydney as a character. I didn't, I couldn't really tell what was going on behind the hood, so to speak. So like it wasn't bad. I just didn't grab me so much. I, I would not come back for the rest of the series, so I'm gonna give it a five and a half out of 10. Speaker 0 01:26:47 All right. Interesting. Interesting. I think, yeah, I've seen most of the first season, but I don't remember a lot of it. I do remember enjoying it, but watching this episode, it did actually make me wanna go and at least watched maybe the first, you know, those first two seasons that Tom cruise watched that made him say, Hey, I wanna wave this guy a movie. So he can basically do this on a big screen, on a bigger budget. And with that, like I enjoyed, I knew the twist already. I knew, yeah. That she worked for S St six mm-hmm Speaker 2 01:27:18 <affirmative> Speaker 0 01:27:19 And that SD six was actually not, you know, CIA. I had a feeling about the dead boyfriend. So I don't know if that there was necessarily any surprises, but it was still a fun ride that I enjoyed. I'm just gonna give this a seven and a half out of 10. All Speaker 2 01:27:34 Right. Speaker 3 01:27:35 So before we end, can I ask Zach you keep mentioning chalk Speaker 2 01:27:41 <laugh> right. Cause that was the episode that we did before this one. Speaker 3 01:27:44 Okay. Cause this is six years before Chuck. Speaker 2 01:27:48 Right? Speaker 3 01:27:49 So the reason why I give it like an eight is because it opened the doors to a lot of those other shows. It gives, opened the doors to Kevin. The key to it gives the doors to Chuck. It gave all these extra op like it was definitely different than a lot of other Speaker 0 01:28:05 Shows. Wait, so you're giving an eight or a seven. Speaker 3 01:28:08 I'm gonna give it at Speaker 0 01:28:08 Eight, all bumping up that. All right. Speaker 2 01:28:11 <laugh> nine. Cause you a nine <laugh> you're an eight a half. Speaker 3 01:28:15 I would not argue if someone said a nine. Speaker 0 01:28:18 Yeah. Speaker 2 01:28:18 Okay. It certainly, I'm sure it's certainly a very influential show. It also reminded me a little bit of Buffy the vampire Slayer. A lot of the ways you had your ass kicking, female lead, we've seen spies get tied to chair and torture. We've seen spies shoot. People seen them infiltrated. It's kind of like most of it was been there. Done that. The stuff that was new was quite good, but there just wasn't enough of Speaker 0 01:28:41 It. What's a question for you, Zach, cuz I've started. I've noticed. Well, I watch, I remember in the beginning you always harsher on things and I was always more positive. And then you like sort of mellow down, you get more positive and now you're back to being a lot more harsh on things. Have you watched too much spy stuff that now everything just seems the same and they, you don't think anything stands out Speaker 2 01:29:01 It's entirely Speaker 3 01:29:02 Possible. Not just that. Do you just merge everything being produced at the exact same time? Speaker 2 01:29:07 <laugh> well, it is true that we've been looking at a lot of stuff around the same time period, 1999 through 2008. Right? The, this rerun summer has covered a lot of Speaker 0 01:29:18 That. This is true. It's like it wasn't intentional. We were gonna cover all. We were just, I just, you know, picked a bunch of spy shows, but now looking forward to what we have coming up other than yeah. Other than, uh, what was it, gentleman, Jack, what was it called? Is that Speaker 2 01:29:31 Jack of uh, trades? Yeah. Which, which I can't credit or whatever, but Speaker 0 01:29:38 James V Jr. Yeah. Everything has been in that sort of like, yeah. Mid two thousands or early to mid two thousands period. Speaker 3 01:29:45 I mean, this is when the height of like that whole interest was Speaker 0 01:29:49 Oh yeah, Speaker 2 01:29:49 There was this eye craze going on at the time. Yeah. Oh Speaker 0 01:29:52 Yeah. Matched only, probably by the, of the sixties, which is what we covered last summer. Speaker 2 01:29:58 That's right. Okay. Uh, Jay, do you have anything you would like to plug before? We are on our way? Speaker 3 01:30:03 Uh, we have Tuesday night gaming, um, listen to Zach, myself and others. Uh, talk about various TV shows. Current TV shows. Well, not right now, current their current TV shows and recently Speaker 0 01:30:18 Released, let's say Speaker 3 01:30:19 We play video games and have a good time, sometimes yell at each other and that's on, uh, twitch.tv MC SL slash MC slanting on Tuesdays. If you wanna listen to it live or you can listen to it on Tuesday night podcast on all the various things that you do. Speaker 2 01:30:36 You're also the co-creator feature nerd, right? Speaker 3 01:30:39 Nerd with the webcam comic, uh, panoramic enlightenment, as well as tales of the dice, which also entails, uh, the story is the comic detailing the story of, uh, the D and D campaign that Zach is part of. Speaker 0 01:30:53 And while I don't know much about that campaign, I am always entertained by that comic. Speaker 2 01:30:57 Nice. Well thank you for joining us Ja you're welcome back anytime and thank you all to our audience for joining us. 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