"Mission: Impossible 2" guest starring Jay

Speaker 0 00:00:00 Expect the impossible. Again, we are the Spotify guys, and this is mission impossible to Speaker 0 00:00:15 Welcome to the Spotify guys where we cover spy facts by fiction and everything in between I'm Christian and I'm Zach. And we are back with one of my favorite franchises. That's right. I've got my Oakleys and my, a leather jacket on. Literally we are covering mission impossible to, Speaker 2 00:00:33 If this were the nineties, I bet you'd be looking really cool. Right now, Speaker 0 00:00:36 This movie came out in 2000. Speaker 2 00:00:38 The nineties lasted until nine 11. I'm pretty sure we all agreed to that. Wait Speaker 3 00:00:43 Until nine 11. Speaker 2 00:00:46 Is that what you just said? You know how like adamant was the death of the sixties, even though it took place in like 1971 or something, things have taken a little bit of time to change. Speaker 0 00:00:56 All right. Well that voice you just heard is our guest star returning from our coverage of the first mission. Impossible. We have J Speaker 3 00:01:05 Hello? Hello. Hello everybody. Hi, it's good to be back. Speaker 0 00:01:10 I know Jay, you've seen this movie before Zach had you seen this movie before Speaker 2 00:01:13 I saw the part where he's climbing and then he gets the mission and he throws in the glasses and they explode. That was the only part of this I've seen. Speaker 0 00:01:21 Yeah, pretty much. Didn't we watch this at my bachelor party. You may not have been paying attention though. Speaker 2 00:01:26 Not paying attention. That's the reason Speaker 3 00:01:29 He might've been looking at the bottom of a cup Speaker 0 00:01:32 Somewhere, Speaker 2 00:01:34 But yes, we are back with mission impossible. Two directed by John woo. Starring Tom cruise. But did you guys also see the story is by vinyl D Moore and Brannon Braga. Speaker 0 00:01:45 Yes, but also by, uh, what's his face Robert Towne who wrote Chinatown. Okay. Speaker 2 00:01:52 So Speaker 0 00:01:53 This is one of those Hollywood things where if you've ever even touched a version of the script, you get some sort of credit. Speaker 3 00:02:01 Yeah. Considering today, a lot of people are not getting credited for, Speaker 0 00:02:05 I believe that there's not a lot that came from the Braga, Brandon Braga. And uh, who's the other guy around, I'll do more if a star Trek fan, they are big in the star Trek world and their producers. Yeah. But yeah, I don't know that much. It was actually taken from their draft. I think a lot was taken from the Robert town draft. We know Zach's history. Apparently he had only seen the trailer, basically. Jay, what's your history with this movie? Speaker 3 00:02:28 Uh, I watched it in the theater, I believe three times when it came out. That sounds about right. Speaker 2 00:02:35 I guess you liked it then. Yes. Speaker 3 00:02:38 Yes I did. It's a mission impossible yet, man. How can you go wrong? And at the time Tom cruise was still a big hit. And uh, I had a lot of, was a big hit at that moment. Like a huge, like he was stupidly popular at. Speaker 0 00:02:51 Okay. Fair enough. You know, this is the year. What? 2000. Okay. Eyes wide shut was what? The year before or after. So was Jerry McGuire was suing around there too. And I think what Magnolia was probably an vanilla sky were not long after. This is like one of his big runs of movies, Speaker 3 00:03:08 Jerry Maguire eyes wide shut Magnolia, fennel, this guy, minority report after this, and then also powers right after that. And then we got to the last MRI, Speaker 0 00:03:19 Hey, I love the last time. Right. But we're not here to talk about the last time, right. To just briefly cover it. I also saw this movie three times in theaters, you know, it hit me and I was about 13. So at that, right, that perfect age for all the ridiculousness of this movie, Speaker 2 00:03:33 Something else I should say about this movie is that my understanding is that it's one of the bad ones as in two and three are bad. And then it gets good again with four. I know I'm talking to a couple of super fans, so you guys are probably going to disagree, but that's what I heard. I want Speaker 3 00:03:46 Just say in hindsight, people have sort of lambasted as one of the warp, more uneven ones at the time. It wasn't, I mean, it was considered pretty Speaker 0 00:03:58 Highest grossing movie of the year. Speaker 2 00:04:00 Well, it's a 54% of rotten tomatoes right now. And at 6.1 on I am DB. So that's like, okay, I suppose. Speaker 0 00:04:09 Well, it was also in that period of time where like movies could sit in a theater for the longest time. Oh, it is the second highest grossing movie of that year. Lost only to how the grease Grinch stole Christmas Speaker 3 00:04:23 Gladiator. Speaker 0 00:04:24 Yeah. So more money because I remember, you know, as I saw this, when it came out in may and then around August or July, it was like still at the top of the box officer, if I recall. So it just stayed there Speaker 3 00:04:38 And it crushed space Cowboys and more than doubled space Cowboys. Speaker 0 00:04:46 I mean, I do like space Cowboys, but we're not here to talk about space Cowboys. We're here to talk mission impossible to, or am I too, as all the posters branded it? Speaker 3 00:04:55 Yeah. Let's not leave our listeners hanging from a cliff. Speaker 2 00:05:00 Alright, here we go. Here's the IMDP summary IMF agent. Ethan Hunt is sent to Sydney to find, to destroy a genetically modified disease called Kibera Speaker 0 00:05:09 Sinking to the point. Well, they left his team Speaker 2 00:05:11 Out. Speaker 0 00:05:13 Well, this is where, I mean, even in the first movie, it is much more of a solo deal. Whereas here actually you do get a little bit more team, but it's mostly Ethan. Speaker 2 00:05:21 It's not technically wrong to say that he has sent. Speaker 3 00:05:25 Yeah. I mean, he's only allowed two teammates and the third has to be Naya. So I mean, it's still early on when he's limited in his resources, Speaker 2 00:05:35 You mean? Speaker 0 00:05:36 Yeah, no, Speaker 2 00:05:38 Her name is spelled Diaz, like damn cat. You guys noticed that. Speaker 0 00:05:43 I didn't, like I knew of Naya before I heard of neon cat. So that's in my mind, that's how that's pronounced. Speaker 2 00:05:49 Okay. I'm not going to be a troll and keep calling her that I will be pleased. Speaker 0 00:05:55 All right. So we start in Sydney, biocide pharmaceuticals. We have Dr. Vladimir in the Corvis played by ready, Serbia, IGA, something to that effect. He is a very familiar face. If you watch X-Men first class or embedment begins, he's the guy who, who offers Bruce Wayne, his coat. He is also an eyes wide shut as the kind of pervy costume shop owner. And he's sending a message to Ethan Hunt and says, you know, wherever, however we travel, you know, we have to leave within 20 hours departure. And he also gives this whole speech about how every search for hero must begin with something that every hero requires. Speaker 2 00:06:35 So I thought this was interesting that this guy had a solution in search of a problem. He needed a problem. Again, we talked about it in the Ultimate's, how they needed a villain for the Ultimate's to fight, which I still think is a really good idea. And it is funny how that's like what kicks off this whole potentially catastrophic series of events. Speaker 0 00:06:54 Yep. We see him inject himself with something. I'll see him leave the biocide. And then he sees a bunch of kids singing ring around the roses. And once he does the like screen FA like fades out the black and white and blurry Speaker 3 00:07:06 Flash, it flashes back to like an older time period and flashing back and forth. Giving you the whole black plague vibe. Well, not the vibe, but the actual black flag parents over and around the Rosie. So it gives you that nice little preview and the little bit. Yeah. So that way you kinda sorta get what happening, but you're not quite 100% sure what Speaker 2 00:07:30 I could not figure out what was happening at this part. I just wrote down Polaris fond caviar and then CGI plane. Speaker 0 00:07:37 Yes. So we get onto the airplane. Dr. keeps calling Ethan Dimitri. He uses that phrase, you know, you're sorry. And I'm sorry. And we find out that once upon a time, Ethan saved Dr. and is called Gretzky, but his Gretzky has since died. And the mentions that apparently once you've been infected with Kemira within 20 hours, nothing can save you. Speaker 2 00:07:58 I have a couple of things here. So first of all, to keep reiterating this whole 20 hours thing, probably a little bit too much. Yeah, that's fine. But second of all, Ethan seems evil in this part, you guys kind of evil vibes off of him. I mean, we learned later that he is not himself. Speaker 0 00:08:16 I don't know. I don't really see it. There's a little touch of it. Sometimes. Like the way he smiled. He's like, it's not quite Ethan. Speaker 3 00:08:24 He's a little too. He punched, he pushes on the comedy, like the comedic, like not the comedy or a comedic end, but like the sarcasm a little too heavy at times. But other times it's more of a dry is not the same punch as what he typically gives you that tiny bit. But like, it still would initially it did. When I first watched it definitely still didn't trigger any oh, what's going on. Speaker 2 00:08:52 Okay. Honestly, I want to say that Ethan has long hair, which he did not in the first one. Oh yes. Speaker 0 00:08:58 Then you get inspiration from, well, one of the inspirations for my current long locks, Speaker 2 00:09:03 I also feel like it makes it look like it was in the nineties because long hair on men was very in, in the nineties. Speaker 3 00:09:09 It was still in, in the early two thousands. That's Speaker 2 00:09:12 What I mean about how it blurs over, by the way. I want him to amend it. Nineties ended with the election of George W. Bush. How's that? Speaker 0 00:09:20 Okay. Speaker 2 00:09:21 Anyway, moving on. So the captain like gasses everybody with the oxygen masks and knocks them all out. And this was like crazy to remind me of night and day. I think everything on a plane remind me of and day Speaker 0 00:09:34 Forever, man. Wow. And then Speaker 2 00:09:37 It's revealed that Ethan is not himself he's wearing Speaker 0 00:09:40 Well before he pulls off the mess though, he like breaks Dr. Nicole Rich's neck. Like first he hits someone like a throat strike and then like breaks his neck, grabs the core of his briefcase and it gives it to one of his goons and pulls off a mask. Who is it? It's the guy who almost played Wolverine. Speaker 2 00:09:58 It's some guy it's like some generic looking white guy Speaker 0 00:10:03 Do gray Scouts, Speaker 3 00:10:04 Random dude, number one. And the credits. Did you notice that Dominic Purcell is in the seat? Speaker 0 00:10:11 Oh yeah. He's there that's two arrow verse castmates. Cause what's the dubious. Scott is in Batwoman as a Cape. Kaine's dad. He's in there. I think he's a goon in like the rest of the movie too. He dies in like one of the car chases. Yeah. He's there for Speaker 3 00:10:26 Awhile. Speaker 2 00:10:27 I see him on IMDV and I'm sorry that I missed him. It's going to pontificate more about how there's this big reveal where he takes the mask off. And it's just some guy like, I don't know, Speaker 0 00:10:36 But it's clearly not Ethan. I think that's the point. I love the musical sting here. Speaker 3 00:10:41 Yeah. Th the musical interludes and how it interplays with this whole beginning section. Fantastic. It really carries through the theme, the beat, and then it really just amps it up so much more to the beginning. I thought it was interesting that, um, in this part, Sean Ambrose, or actually, I guess it would be a stamper who, uh, gases everybody and they're knocking them out rather than killing people just to kill them Speaker 2 00:11:10 Just to kill them later. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:11:11 I guess it didn't deniability. Speaker 0 00:11:14 Exactly. It's so that there's no, well, I dunno, I dunno if he could run toxicology on those corpses, but by the time that they found them, so probably it would be something undetectable so that there's no trace that it was something other than an accident. Speaker 3 00:11:28 Actually, I do want to mention one other thing that briefcase had the strongest freaking leather in the world. I mean, it couldn't survive a freefall. It has a single strap on his harness and it's just dangling there as he jumps out. I'm like, oh mother, oh, that's some good letter. Speaker 2 00:11:46 Yeah. They're really putting a lot of faith into it. Considering their whole mission depends on them getting it out. Speaker 0 00:11:50 Right. And also Speaker 2 00:11:52 The part where they opened the plane and they all jump out of the plane. So they have their like arms close to the chest and Speaker 0 00:11:58 Then go through and then open. I thought they were going to have wingsuits, but I guess we can shoot. Yeah. Probably more so than they can clear the plane. So when you're moving Zack, you did the indoor skydiving at my bachelor party, right? Yeah. I Speaker 2 00:12:12 Wasn't drunk for that, Speaker 0 00:12:14 But yeah. So, you know, any way you move your body is going to move you through the air in a particular way. So I, I believe contorting yourself the way they do get some clear the plane so that when it comes down, they are not community. Speaker 3 00:12:26 It gives you the opportunity dive straight down or not, or as close to straight down and as quickly as possible. So you immediately clear rather than having the possibility of bumping up against the Bishop because the plane, because also you have to think about how the air drafts flow under and over wings and, and the, and the plane. So you need to be able to cut through all of that. So you have to basically be a needle through all of it. And it was shortly after the wingsuit was created. It was like 99 90. Speaker 0 00:12:59 So probably while they were filming this, cause this had an Torian really long shoot. And the reason I called, uh, Ambrose, not Wolverine is because he was originally cast as Wolverine. But because this movie ran long, he had to drop out. And that's why we have Hugh Jackman. Yeah, that's Speaker 3 00:13:16 Right. I forgot about that. He is such a Speaker 2 00:13:18 Generic looking guy. Speaker 3 00:13:22 And if you look at his face, he's still, I mean, Douglas, Mary. Yeah, sure. That'd be fair. Hugh Jackman may the character. I mean, like they did work to make him fit and now you only picture them. But I mean, at first people go, oh yeah, totally. But I mean, if they went with Doug gray, it would have been totally fine. I think everyone would've been like, oh yeah. I don't know if you want to put in the work to be Speaker 0 00:13:46 Excellent. Would have been interesting because I don't think I've ever heard him not use his regular accent. Speaker 2 00:13:52 What's the deal with this accent in this movie? It's Scottish. I don't think so. It was some weird amalgamation of all the UK accents. Speaker 3 00:14:00 It was like trying to do a Australian accent, but not really change how he said words. Speaker 0 00:14:09 Okay. I can see that the plane crashes and we cut to rock climbing again. Speaker 3 00:14:17 And this is probably why it took so long to film because he was just hanging there forever and ever, and ever. I forgot how long this whole scheme. Speaker 0 00:14:27 Oh, sequence. So you have him climbing to the song I co IKO. Yeah. I liked that song also featured in the Tom cruise movie. Rain man. Love that song. So this is also the reason why I took up rock climbing, although I've only done the indoor and I may or may not have climbed to that song because, Hey, it's me also wearing that outfit. Speaker 3 00:14:47 I would not expect anything less. Speaker 2 00:14:50 You've been hard with it. Free soloing before it was Speaker 0 00:14:52 Cool. He does this thing where he's stuck in one area, he jumps from one tower to the next ends up slipping, catches it himself with one arm. Christ's looking pose. It's known as a reverse iron cross and then finally climbs to the top and where there's a helicopter waiting for him guys in the helicopter fire, a rocket, not at him, but right near him and inside our nice pair of Oakleys. I believe these are the Romeo style Speaker 2 00:15:20 When sunglasses were the peak of cool. Speaker 0 00:15:23 So yeah, he puts on the sunglasses. I noticed on the sunglasses, there are these like tiny headphones that extend from the sunglasses, Speaker 3 00:15:32 Google glasses Speaker 0 00:15:32 Before Google. Exactly. Yeah. And it gives them a little retinal scan, which is what, like when it moves every time I do a face ID, it reminds me of that because it does a little circle thing. And then identity confirmed. I feel like Speaker 3 00:15:46 A lot of our facial recognition and all of that is based because of that. Like, they were like coolest Speaker 0 00:15:53 All of our stuff pretty much. And this is where we get the, uh, limp biscuit version of the mission, impossible theme, which is still one of my go-tos for karaoke. That is Speaker 3 00:16:03 So God Speaker 2 00:16:06 Wait, I'm sorry. I'm confused. The limp biscuit version of the theme has word. Speaker 0 00:16:10 Oh yeah. Oh yes it does. And you only hear them in the end credits. Speaker 2 00:16:14 Oh, well I turned it off as soon as the end credits. Speaker 0 00:16:18 Well then we'll have more to talk about later while we're here talking about the rock climbing. I got to bring up the MTV movie awards skin. Yes, please. So I send it to both of you just to make sure, but there was a skit for the MTV movie awards where it had Ben Stiller as Tom Cruise's, stunt guy, Tom cruise, spelled C R O Z E just Tom cruise. Most of the time doesn't use a stunt double. So it's just all the ridiculousness of that. And it's just a really good skit. We will post it to our social media is after it comes out because everyone needs to watch it. Do you guys watch, what do you think of it? Speaker 2 00:16:51 It felt like an SNL skit. Where is just one joke repeated over and over again. Speaker 0 00:16:56 Oh Speaker 2 00:16:58 Yeah. My favorite part was when Ben cellar is being held to ground and punched in the face, which is never something that happens in the movie. At least not as far as I remember, but it just cuts to John. Woo. Just sitting there looking at the camera, he just says harder. Speaker 0 00:17:14 I Speaker 3 00:17:15 Expected him to be stapling his finger, Speaker 0 00:17:18 You know, given all the production problems of this movie, I'm actually a little surprised they got John in for that skit. I'm surprised Speaker 3 00:17:24 He actually went along with it. Like I figured he would've been like, okay, you could do it, but I didn't expect to see them that much. Speaker 0 00:17:32 Yeah. Back to the movie. So the retinal scan this, the sunglasses are how Ethan gets his mission briefing. We found out that there's an operation called Kemira. He can select any two team members, but the third must be fif Naya off hall. This was like the Speaker 2 00:17:48 Man from uncle where they're like, here's a civilian who really doesn't want to be a part of it, but you're going to convince her to be a Speaker 0 00:17:53 Part of it anyway. And that was Alicia of a candor. It is common in the show. If I would call it, they will occasionally bring in other people who are like a fee for something else to like add to their Speaker 3 00:18:05 Yeah. Random expertise that they've been monitoring for awhile. Speaker 0 00:18:08 And then, you know, it's the, this mission message will self destruction, five seconds. So he takes off his sunglasses and throws them to the stream as they explode and cut to the credits, very Speaker 2 00:18:20 Nineties credit sequence with a lot of early computer animation Speaker 0 00:18:23 And animation for like the lettering's. But this is the first time. Well, only time in the series where we don't actually get that inner cat of all the like scenes from way into the movie. Only thing we get is like the images of the like Kymera and farm that we see later on. Speaker 2 00:18:39 Yeah. I was looking for him Speaker 0 00:18:40 Too. So we go to Seville where Ethan has to recruit Naya. There's a lot of flamenco dancing. Ethan's they're following Naya, you know, they're looking at each other and then she disappears with the wave of the flamenco dancers, like sleeve she's running upstairs to the safe and picking the luck. And then Ethan catches her. Speaker 2 00:18:59 It's very dark Knight rises. She really reminded me of Anne Hathaway. Speaker 0 00:19:04 I can see that. Speaker 3 00:19:05 Yeah, definitely. She definitely has that, uh, uh, very competent with the flow type. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:19:14 That's the banter here was very James Bond, which I don't think I like, but it is interesting to see a transition from the Ethan Hunt in movie number one, and even on later where he's pretty straight laced and doesn't do a lot of this stuff, but I will say that he's not James bondage stop acting like She breaks in. And there's multiple shots where the camera is looking down her dress. Can we talk about this or we're going to get to that later. It was troubling and it's especially troubling seeing John woo in the skit that you mentioned earlier where he's like pretty old. So I'm just the magic job will be like back that camera back that camera up. Perfect. Speaker 3 00:19:51 2000. We have coyote ugly in to America in 2000 we have Romeo, Romeo must die. We have galaxy quest in 2000. I mean, these are all, it's a trademark of to the era of that, Speaker 0 00:20:08 But I mean, yes. Okay. There's um, gratuitous shots, let's say, okay. We just got to address that. But later on and we'll, I'll talk about later. I was glad that there were not were tuition to shots of something. Speaker 3 00:20:20 I agree. I appreciated the fact that they did it basically once and just for the rest of it was perfectly fine after that. Uh, yeah. I mean, it was obviously a, a trend all the time. I'm not saying Speaker 0 00:20:32 It was also a, there was a minor plot thing because that's where she also hides the Juul. Right. Sending it up, but then, you know, it did linger a lot. Speaker 3 00:20:44 Yeah. It's a one scene thing and it felt very much as a foreshadowing for chefs. Speaker 2 00:20:52 It's classy if it's foreshadowing. Speaker 3 00:20:54 Yeah. I feel like it basically is a foreshadow, but I mean, it Speaker 0 00:20:58 Served a dual purpose. Okay. Speaker 3 00:21:00 Oh, very flimsy dual. Perfect. Yes. Speaker 0 00:21:02 She triggers the alarm when she puts the case back into the safe guards burst in. We find out that Ethan is actually the security engineer, Mr. Keys. I mean, okay. If you're a security engineer, pick a better name than Mr. Keys Speaker 3 00:21:16 Totally makes sense. Uh, the only other better thing would have been like, uh, Speaker 0 00:21:23 Mr. Gard, Speaker 2 00:21:24 Mr. Castle. That's what I wanted. Speaker 3 00:21:26 Rob Keith, Speaker 0 00:21:29 Robin. Speaker 2 00:21:30 Oh man. Also somebody also wanted to point out that Naya is played by Tandy Newton, Speaker 0 00:21:37 Apparently, and her first credit roll. They misspelled her name and she just went with that as a professional name. But recently, as of like maybe last year, the year before she's reclaimed her actual birth name and to be used that professionally, professionally. So there's a w in there Speaker 3 00:21:51 W by mistake, Speaker 2 00:21:52 GB has that correct plate, but yeah. You may know her from Westworld and some other Speaker 0 00:21:57 Things. Soloist Speaker 3 00:22:00 Chronicles of Riddick. Uh, Speaker 0 00:22:01 Yes. Speaker 2 00:22:02 Yeah. I bet it back to the security engineer at that reminded me of like burn notice where Michael Weston would be like, oh, I'm actually supposed to be here. Speaker 0 00:22:11 It's a classic con move. Oh, you get caught. Let's play that basically. I'm so they do, they play that together. Naya almost gets away with it, but then Ethan makes her give back those jewels, Speaker 2 00:22:21 Just like Batman, what a dime. Speaker 3 00:22:24 The first time I washed it, I didn't expect her to give back or at least to have like another copy Speaker 0 00:22:31 That says I'm going to get hit and get idea. I Speaker 3 00:22:34 Was very caught off guard when he's just like, no, no, no. I was like, come on, take that stuff and run. Speaker 0 00:22:41 Yeah. Outside Naya asks, why do you let me get away with it? If you were just going, make me give it back. Cause I wanted to see how good you are. We could work together. And he reveals that he's the one who actually triggered the alarm. She didn't set the CFR and she's pissed off and drives away. Speaker 3 00:22:53 Yeah. I would have kicked them in the nuts. Drove off. Speaker 0 00:22:57 Yeah. She's driving away. Uh, I, this is the next day. So she's been driving a very long time. Apparently all night, she gets a call on her car phone. Remember those it's Ethan. And she hangs up on him. And then Ethan drives up right next to her in this beautiful black Porsche. And he reveals that he's a spy. I can clear her record. And she's says, you know, if you want me, you going to have to catch me, crashes into him. There's a car chase where they recklessly endanger a bunch of civilian life. Speaker 2 00:23:26 And it goes on for so long, especially cause we just had a scene of him recruiting her. Why is like a quarter of the movie, him? Speaker 0 00:23:33 The last thing was PIM trying to recruit her. He was successful. So you have to keep going. It was too Speaker 2 00:23:38 Long, Speaker 3 00:23:40 But it had to build up the whole, I hate him. I hate him. I hate him. I'm now kind of intrigued and I'm kind of wanting to show him up to, oh dear. Oh dear. I'm going to die. Oh, he saved me. Like it has to give you that whole entire arc. I can't just go from this guy sent me up to, oh, I love you. Speaker 2 00:24:04 That didn't work for me either. But we can talk about that. Speaker 0 00:24:06 So then she almost crashes off the cliff. Ethan saves her and pulls her up and Speaker 2 00:24:12 Yes. And then they bang off screen though. So guys, I have a question for you. Yes. Do you think the movie would have been improved that they did not hook up here? No, because throughout the rest of the movie, there's this weird like love triangle thing. That's like kind of half-baked Speaker 0 00:24:28 Where, Speaker 2 00:24:30 Where she's like into Ethan, but they like barely even interact until the end. Well, that's fine. Speaker 0 00:24:35 Fitting factor throughout the rest of it is what it's supposed to have to be. Speaker 3 00:24:39 Get your point where it felt rushed what you're saying, but that's why you had such a long build up of the car chase. So you got the whole entire arc of hate animosity to Hm. Okay. Intrigue. He's kind of cute. Oh yeah. Oh Speaker 0 00:24:57 John woo. Your bread on Trek is John who has said, like, I think it's something either in the commentary and interview is that this whole scene is supposed to be like a love scene with cars. Speaker 2 00:25:06 Yeah. Okay. Speaker 3 00:25:07 And then they collide and the impact is just so strong. And then they're stuck on a cliffhanger of one of the relationship OU or foreshadowing by, Speaker 2 00:25:20 I think you guys are making a good point and different from the usual formula of them getting together at the end of the movie, which is like pretty much every other action movie does that. Speaker 0 00:25:29 Yeah. So like you said, they slept together. Ethan reveals that he actually doesn't know why they need her specifically. Naya assumed that some sort of fif to catch a thief situation. And so to find out more information, he goes to meet mission commander, Swan, Beck played by Anthony Hopkins. That's right. They meet in Spain, but still in Spain, there's some sort of festival going on all the dads for barging United vacation. And then Ethan says, you're sorry. And I'm sorry. Which of course peaks Swan's attention shows him the video of Corvettes, which is his speech from the beginning. I Speaker 2 00:26:01 Didn't understand this whole year. Sorry. I'm sorry. Speaker 3 00:26:03 I chose the relationship here. A deep relationship so much so that they inherited each other's speech patterns. Speaker 2 00:26:10 Oh, so what's Nikolai. Who said that? Because Ambrose says it when he's posing as Ethan, right? No, Speaker 0 00:26:16 No, no, no. Okay. And the core, which Speaker 2 00:26:19 Says it says it to him. Okay. I was a little confused. I thought they thought Ethan was going to be a trader and he'd have to go rogue again. He doesn't have, Speaker 0 00:26:26 This is the only movie he doesn't go Rogan Speaker 2 00:26:29 Going rogue. Bye Ethan. Hi. So basically in this scene he recaps the stakes that created this terrible disease, Kymera and the cure, the Speaker 0 00:26:38 Disease yet actually. But yes, Speaker 2 00:26:40 That's terrible weapon then. And the one way to stop it. Yeah. And it Speaker 3 00:26:44 Sets up the fact that again, it showcases how much that Ethan actually did know him. He so much, so much though that they had the same speech patterns, which that hall, wait, did you say that? Uh, but also that Ethan can make the deduction to one. It could possibly be because at that time, no one has any idea what it is other than Sean Ambrose. So it showcases that he knows his work so well and his whole background so well that he can probably manipulate where the story goes. Speaker 0 00:27:17 But yeah. So we also find out, apparently that the airplane captain, the real one didn't die on a flight. He was actually stuffed into a suitcase and made the next flight. Ethan automatically thinks that it was Ambrose. Who did it. There was no question. Really? No question because apparently they, they had reservations about each other. Speaker 2 00:27:32 I have another question. Please tell me if my understanding is correct, the IMF gets contacted by, excuse me. And he's like, I have 20 hours to get to my destination, but they can't find anything because Ethan's on vacation. So they send to Ambrose with Ethan mask, go get the scientists. But Ambrose decides to turn on them and take it for himself. Yep. Yes. Wow. I actually understood what was happening. Speaker 0 00:27:57 The only difference is that, uh, he contacted them and then once he got heard back, that's when he injected himself, he didn't like inject themselves. Oh, I only have 20 hours. Like he says, however, we travel. I must arrive within 20 hours of departure. So it's whenever after what he left Speaker 2 00:28:12 At case, why didn't they just wait for you to come back from vacation, Speaker 0 00:28:17 Confined him? The window of opportunity closes at a certain point. Speaker 2 00:28:23 I just think it's funny that the whole movie happened because Ethan didn't leave an out of office message. Speaker 0 00:28:29 Well, he says, you know, especially for these guys, you know, if they'd tell you where I'm going, I won't be on holiday. Appreciate it. They say Speaker 3 00:28:36 Holiday Speaker 2 00:28:37 Also. Ambrose is now just like kind of a crappier version of Alec Trevelyan Speaker 0 00:28:43 Ooh, Ooh. That's right. I sat at, we find out that Naya is Ambrose is X and that Ethan supposed to use her to get to him. Of course, Ethan is resistant, but says, oh, if you have any reservations, look at this. And it gives him a digital camera. Remember these things. Speaker 2 00:29:00 And I thought the digital camera was going to be pictures of Naya and Ambrose banging. Oh, Speaker 0 00:29:07 Why would that help him? No. Speaker 2 00:29:10 Oh. Cause it would motivate him to get revenge on Ambrose. Cause they already got together. Speaker 0 00:29:15 How would Swan back know that they got together Speaker 2 00:29:18 Because he's a super spy, you know, stuff. It's not a Speaker 3 00:29:21 Super spot. He's just he's middle. Speaker 0 00:29:26 Yeah. And he gives out the missions. He doesn't go on the missions. Speaker 2 00:29:29 We're a spy agency find hunt. Speaker 0 00:29:32 It's actually on the camera and not what Zach thought is. Images of the crash plane. Like Ethan shows these Tinaya mentions Ambrose. She of course gets pissed off. It's like, oh, that's why I'm here. And I love this line that, you know, would it make you feel any better if I didn't want you to do this? Yeah. Much will then feel better. Like, okay, that's the best way to get someone to feel better. Shouting, feel better at them. This Speaker 2 00:29:55 Is some serious romantic drama here. Uh, Speaker 3 00:29:58 I do appreciate her response when she gets the stuff in. And she's like, what Lamar conscious be my guide because this, your whole pitch for me to do this, want me to hook up with my ex and save the world? Ooh. He's like, sure that works. No, God. Speaker 2 00:30:17 Yeah. She's also like, I don't have a conscience cause I'm a thief. And I'm like, well you can be a thief with a heart of gold. Speaker 0 00:30:23 Um, but she's supposed to not be apparently. So she rather quickly edge comes around to the idea. I think mostly because he showed her the images of all the dead people. Right. Speaker 3 00:30:34 And the fact that he said that he wouldn't want her on it, but past Speaker 0 00:30:38 True. But she realizes that, okay, you know, son, Sean is going to be suspicious if I just, you know, popped up. So we need to make it so that it looks like the diamond trouble and I can't get it. Something I can't get out of my own on my own. So they frame her to make it look like she got caught and arrested. They inject her with this tracker that could have only tracked by one computer Speaker 3 00:30:56 Uses one satellite that connects one computer don't Speaker 2 00:31:00 Lose that one computer. Right. Speaker 0 00:31:02 Sean gets her out, brings her to Sydney. And at the simultaneously, the rest of the team meets Ethan. And we have Luther Stickle coming back from the first movie, played by ring Rhames. And then Billy bear the helicopter pilot and go for extraordinary Ozzie. Speaker 2 00:31:21 Yep. He's Australian. And he's no Ving Rhames in terms of likeability. Put it that Speaker 0 00:31:26 Way. I like Billy Billy's fuck. Speaker 3 00:31:29 And he gives you that quirky. I can do it all, but not really ask about, Speaker 0 00:31:35 Apparently this was role was supposed to be played by Steve Zahn, but he got like, I think he was filming something else at the time so they couldn't get him. So they got this guy, their safe house is at a sheep farm. And you know, as they get there, you know, Luther's steps in a sheep, a pile of sheep crap and ruining his, uh, do we know what kind of shoes? $800. I forgot what kind of shoes? I know his quotes. Versace. Gucci. Right? He's so since the last movie like Luther has gotten this whole wardrobe upgrade, you know, we're in some Gucci, some Versace, he Speaker 2 00:32:08 Likes his fancy clothes. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:32:10 I do appreciate the fact that it's early two thousands where it's baggy and it's not the tight SlimFit Speaker 0 00:32:17 Yeah. I have arrived at Ambrose's place trying to get a visual, but the computer keeps crapping out. Speaker 2 00:32:23 I think I liked and ghost protocol to their stuff often fails. It's very realistic. James Bond's gadgets never fail. Speaker 0 00:32:32 Sometimes. Rarely gets there. Her like scarf almost flies away, but Ambrose, very creepily catches it and they see them smooching. And one of the henchmen Hugh stamp is watching Naya. Very suspiciously. No, Speaker 3 00:32:46 I stopped my watch that I was like, oh, that's old face. I couldn't tell if he was suspicious. Or if he was jealous. Speaker 0 00:32:56 That is one of the reads of that is that he's jealous because he's in love with Ambross. Speaker 2 00:32:59 I was definitely picking up on that vibe. Yeah. The line here that I like to tell one of my favorites, but I felt the B2 mentioned it. I think Luther says she did it. She's in the compound. It's like, dude, we can see that she's in the car. Speaker 0 00:33:12 As I I've said, audiences are sometimes idiots and need to be reminded of things. Speaker 3 00:33:18 It's a little box on a screen. How do you know that's the compound? It's just a different color brown on top of it. But it also showcases that fact that they were very concerned that he wouldn't buy it, ties it all back together. That, and especially that Ethan is the only one who really had any faith that should be able to be Speaker 2 00:33:39 Hold it off. Yeah. Sorry. He doesn't buy it though. He's suspicious of her right away. Which I liked. He just was. Speaker 0 00:33:47 Yeah. Ambrose and I go into the bedroom and this is where we get the really uncomfortable scene, which bought her a dress and says, oh, try it on. Just stays there. As she changes, then doesn't let her try to put it, actually put it on. And so this is why I said that I appreciate it. They didn't have any like gratuitous shots. It was really all focused on her face when she got undressed. And it was actually, it was me like you were, you felt her uncomfortable in this without being explicit Speaker 3 00:34:16 And you get the creepy, Speaker 0 00:34:17 Oh God. Speaker 3 00:34:19 Yeah. And the lady in red dress lady and red is always a thing, but yeah. I was like, God, get it off his face. Speaker 2 00:34:29 I think the best example of this trope is probably where's the lost Ark, but I'm sure it's been another one. Speaker 0 00:34:34 Ah, yes. Which did have a gratuitous shot though. It could have been a Speaker 2 00:34:37 Lot worse, but Speaker 0 00:34:39 Yeah. Anyway, so we go back to Luther, who's watching the video that Dr. had left. He's trying to figure out what Kymera was says, you know what? He was a genetic or I forget what he's actually, his profession was some sort of geneticists. Why does he keep talking about this Greek myth? And this is where Ethan figures it. Oh, well, you know, he must've been making it some sort of virus to create an antidote and it is, is it that simple? Yeah, probably. I feel Speaker 2 00:35:02 Like we had already figured it out as the audience, Speaker 0 00:35:04 By this point a little bit, but this is again, need that little reminder sometimes. Speaker 3 00:35:11 Right? And it's also, uh, he specializes in recombining, DNA molecule and all that stuff. So it gives you is not just a normal flu or plague. It's the fact that they're taking literally the worst possible strains of everything and ripping them apart, mashing them together to make something for redness, Speaker 0 00:35:34 Uh, viruses, something we don't know much about it right On to Ambrose is looking at bids for Kymera. And he has this memory card that he pulls out of. The digital camera, puts it in an envelope. Now Hugh is suspicious of Naya, says that she tells him out. Ambrose is like, nah, you know, even if she is, you know, I can handle this. What, why should I, you know, not giving to my urges gets out a cigar cutter, threatens a Hugh with a cigar cutter, actually cuts his finger with it. Speaker 2 00:36:15 Can't handle cigar cutters, scenes and movies. There's so bad. There's so Speaker 0 00:36:19 Visceral. Speaker 2 00:36:21 Yeah. Also during this scene, there's a part where they open a door at night is like in a bed sleeping and they just look at her and then close it, which is also really creepy. Yeah. The phrasing of stamp Speaker 0 00:36:34 Digging for it. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:36:36 I was like, oh, I forgot. That was, that was the phrase they used for. Oh, get off the screen, dude. Speaker 0 00:36:49 W John Wu did a good job in making us hate Ambrose. Speaker 2 00:36:53 It's like to imagine Ronald D. Moore being like they narrow, let me say this in star Trek. Speaker 0 00:36:59 Uh, I think we're killing Jay here. Speaker 2 00:37:04 Let's move on to the next scene, which is the Ascot opening day from my fair lady. Okay. Speaker 0 00:37:09 Ah, yeah, we've got to the race track nine Amber. So there apparently the thief or the horse sheep bit a bit on what's called fee for the night. And as they're bidding on horses and watching everything stamper is behind watching very creepily. He's got a bandage on his little pinky finger. Um, and then Billy disguised as like someone who works at this at the, uh, track, you know, gives Naya brochure, says, you know, naturally vain and the fourth check her out she's due. And inside the brochure is actually an earpiece, which, you know, functions pretty much like an AirPod. You can talk with them right next to each other. Ethan's on comms wants an update on who is, uh, Ambrose place. The only one she recognizes is Hugh asks about the photos of newspaper of money. And apparently those are bids for the buck from the different buyers. High speed is 37 million pounds. Ambrose is meeting someone at the bar. John C McCloy we find out is Nicole, which is boss versus showing McCloy something on a digital camera. What's the memory card in his left jacket pocket. So they have Naya steal it. Speaker 2 00:38:11 Boys played by Brendan Gleason. Who's great. And I do think it's funny that they're selling the koi, his own product back to him. Speaker 0 00:38:18 Hi Matt. Hey, well, it's even more complicated than that, but we'll get into it later. Naya steals the, I like how she does this. So she's like pretends that she's stealing, you know, some Australian money from him to make a bid. Cause she doesn't have any money. And as she's doing that, she's also simultaneously stealing the memory card. So it's classic, you know, if you're pickpocketing, you distract them with something that somewhere else on their body and grab it from what you actually are after. Speaker 2 00:38:44 Yeah. She's great. In this scene, just like we would all sorts of crazy hand motions, slipping devices around. Speaker 0 00:38:51 Yeah. So they meet at a betting table. He was following Naya, but Billy smashes Hugh's finger in a door. Speaker 2 00:38:59 He has like rage Speaker 0 00:38:59 Issues. Oh definitely. Q yes. Speaker 2 00:39:02 Maybe he just wants to take out his current finger on somebody. . Speaker 3 00:39:08 I mean, if my chopped off finger got smashed, I would absolutely go after whoever just did it. Speaker 2 00:39:18 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's fair. This is not who you are on your worst moment of the day. That's not, that's not who he is. He's not an angry person, but he is a hedge fund. Speaker 3 00:39:26 Hmm. Why he's normally pretty even, Speaker 0 00:39:31 Yeah. Naya gives Ethan the, uh, the memory chip or the memory card and they have a stare off basically, which Luther interrupts around. Speaker 2 00:39:41 Um, I do like how you can like appears next to her and then disappears just in time. And we learned that the virus is deadly. It's like, Speaker 0 00:39:51 Uh, no, not that. Not only that we also, what we see is the core of just Callie Gretzky in various levels of exposure. So like, you know, after 20 hours where he's like basically bleeding from every pool, Speaker 3 00:40:04 It starts at the 20 hour mark because that's where it's a no turning back period. And then we chose 23 and then it jumps to 27 hour. Speaker 2 00:40:14 That's right. 27. You're right, Jay. That's important to say, because later when I is infected and it's about to run out of time and she doesn't have any white hair or anything, it looks fine. So what's the problem, Speaker 0 00:40:26 Right? Yeah. So once Ethan sees this, he wants now out of there because he doesn't want any risk of her being exposed to that, but he doesn't tell her what's on the camera. Like, I feel like if she, if he had just told her or even showed her briefly, it's like, okay, I'm out of here. I'm going to go, Speaker 3 00:40:42 I think is plausible deniability. And then also if you showed me that I would never be able to act normal. True, true. Like if I just have a hint that there's something dangerous, I could still kind of play it off. But if I watch someone basically turn into a puddle, I ain't doing nothing other than go ahead, check. Speaker 2 00:41:05 Yeah. I'm leaving the country just in case. Speaker 0 00:41:08 But yeah. So that's, this is all going on and he's telling her to get out of there. Q is like right behind them approaching. And Ethan disappears just in the Nick of time. Naya goes back to Ambrose, Keno, sneaks the envelope back, but puts it in the wrong pocket at Ambrose notices. Speaker 2 00:41:23 Oh, I was confused by that because I thought she was just too slow. And he noticed it going in if you don't want. And then later he's like, oh, it's going into the wrong pocket. Come on now, are you serious? I thought you supposed to be like a professional thief. You Speaker 0 00:41:37 Connected to that moment. She's a Speaker 3 00:41:39 Thief. She takes things. She doesn't put things back. Speaker 0 00:41:42 That's very true. I didn't even think of that. Speaker 2 00:41:45 Yeah. You got me there, Jay. Speaker 0 00:41:46 So back at the compound, Ambrose tells you to get the envelope from his right jacket pocket. So he noticed, so we see McCloy leave his office, one of his other hints or Amber, his other henchmen Wallace, who I didn't mention before who's played by, uh, what's his face like William author, who is Tom Cruise's cousin. Speaker 2 00:42:06 Huh? That must Speaker 0 00:42:07 Be nice. Tom cruise has an original name, Tom cruise map with her the fourth. He pops up in a lot of, uh, Tom cruise movies. He's in minority report. I remember him. Uh, he also played a role on lost for a long time. He was, I felt like his name was Ethan on loss. Speaker 2 00:42:22 Sean Gunn was probably like, I see what this guy's doing. I can do it better. Speaker 0 00:42:28 Uh, yeah. As McCloy drives away, you know, he's trying to like spit out a cigarette or a cigar, but the windows are locked. He sees a newspaper in the limo with his, like an article of his own death. And then like whoever's driving presses, the AC button and gases, McCloy. Speaker 2 00:42:45 The newspaper with the obit was a little bit extra. Speaker 3 00:42:49 Well, yeah, it gives them that fear, which I think really helps out later in this scene, this whole play through. But I appreciate the fact that it like talks about how he dies of rare Speaker 0 00:43:02 Influenza Speaker 3 00:43:03 That's right. So it showcases that it was initially a flow. Like it ties it into that Kymera used to be a flu. Speaker 0 00:43:12 So back at the compound, as I'm sneaking around trying to get out, but then it gets captured by Ethan who Speaker 2 00:43:18 Turns out not to be a Speaker 0 00:43:19 Fan. So we go over to McCloy who was in this hospital bed with partitions all set up. And as he like, you know, comes back to consciousness, he sees Dr. Nicole who's not dead somehow. Speaker 2 00:43:31 Yeah. I saw this mask common. Usually I don't, but I was like these bad ones, quote, unquote two and three have a lot of mask use. So I was ready to go. But what I was confused was is it the bad guys using the masks are the good guys. Speaker 0 00:43:46 Fair enough. This is where McCloy has been told that he's dosed with Kymera. And he, you know, he's like, how was I supposed to know that you need to be treated with Valera fond within 20 hours, dosed Gretzky with Kymera because he needed to see real-world effects, not just, you know, something in a lab ploy wants to put pedal Bel-Air fawn as a cure for Kymera. You're like, oh wait. Yeah, you were pulling these strands together to form like ultimate flu cure. But you're creating this terrible virus in Kymera that, you know, the cure for. It would be priceless. Speaker 2 00:44:17 It's creating the demand so you can fill the supply. Yep. Look at that evil, big pharma. Can you Speaker 0 00:44:22 Imagine? Speaker 2 00:44:24 Sorry. I have a question here. Was he actually infected by Kymera? Speaker 0 00:44:30 They're just freaking him out to get whatever info I can out of him. Speaker 3 00:44:33 Why they had the, the newspaper to show that he was infected with a flu virus to put it in his head that I'm going to die because of Primara, but it also gives them a plausible nightmare scenario where so Speaker 0 00:44:49 Yeah, so they get some again, he passes out and the Corvette pulls off a mask and it's it's Ethan, but who's with Naya. Then also we didn't talk about this before, but I love the, in the first movie Ethan had to do with all the voices himself here, they have this little strip on his throat that alters his vocal chords so that he can imitate any voice, which I thought was a neat idea. Speaker 2 00:45:13 And I like how, when they take the mask off and they talk in the other guy's voice a couple of times, just to really drive that home. It still doesn't explain how he can like go up and down in a height or change bill. But Speaker 0 00:45:24 I mean, we'll see that in two or three, rather how they change builds Speaker 2 00:45:29 Muscle sharp, pretty much. I've wonder if this movie gave John Wu the idea for face-off by the way, because nevermind that I thought maybe the mass, but the show did the move and the movie Speaker 0 00:45:43 Pretty commonly reported that, uh, what's his face, Tom cruise saw face-off saw the action in there and also the faces coming off and being switched and thought, okay, this is what I want for mission impossible too. So Speaker 2 00:45:55 It's like, oh, he's used to movies or people change their faces. Speaker 0 00:45:58 That's hilarious. I mean, it's pretty much the same thing with like what, how he got JJ fruit mission bottle three, which we'll talk more about is basically a marathon. The first season of alias, it was like, oh, I want to get JJ for this. Okay. Who was with Naya? Well, it's a fake Ethan who we, once we see that Ethan was dressed up as Nick Corvus, we assume that's probably Ambrose. So fakey Ethan tells NATS not to alarm Ambrose and do whatever he asks and he doesn't kiss her because you would be able to tell what the mask had Speaker 3 00:46:25 Too, because now he's disgusted by it. That's also true. Speaker 0 00:46:28 Yes. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:46:29 And three, he doesn't know that her and Ethan are together. Speaker 3 00:46:34 He puts one on one together considering she's like snuggling up on them and like kiss me with them. So he understands it. I mean, he kisses her on the head. So I mean, he understands that they have that dynamic, but it's definitely the disgust and the whole, she might be able to tell how we kiss. We might custody. Speaker 0 00:46:54 So this mask pool is probably my favorite just to give how dramatic it is. So it's, you know, Ethan, or you can face any use holding his tea, like holding his temples, like he's professor X, trynna, you know, do you know, mine could draw. And then he like pulls it from his temple all the way down his face and reveals angry shot Ambrose. He's the most, well, yeah. Well it's all connected. Yes. Speaker 3 00:47:17 Yeah. You see that one. It's connected, but it's also a great, uh, shop and one of the better pole, because Well that, and because you could see how he's doing it and not the usual method. So like it sticks. And so you still get latex, glob, Bules here and there on his face where he does not pulling it correctly. Sort of like the glue does it just manages to adhere to it. So you could definitely tell that a very violent, but very this role, but all, but just, Speaker 0 00:47:52 Ah, yes. Ethan realizes that Ambrose doesn't have the virus. That's why he needs, McClory Speaker 2 00:47:59 Sorry. I'm sorry. Yes. Why doesn't he have the virus? What was in the briefcase in the beginning of the movie, then the letter on, Speaker 0 00:48:05 Yeah, the cure Speaker 3 00:48:06 Only the cure. Speaker 0 00:48:07 Yes. We'll get to it. Speaker 3 00:48:09 I look at the bag. You can see only like one or two riches we will Speaker 0 00:48:12 Explain Speaker 2 00:48:14 And why the scientist and effective itself and then brought the cure when he could've just brought the boats a little Speaker 0 00:48:18 Vials. We'll get to it. Please Speaker 2 00:48:20 Explain to me, I guess I'm dumb. Yeah. All right. Speaker 0 00:48:22 Okay. Since he doesn't have the virus, it's going to break into bias site and destroy camp mirror, and Russell have a cure without a disease. And then their HomeFree Speaker 3 00:48:32 At the same time, we're getting the voiceover from Ambrose, talking about how he knows Ethan Speaker 0 00:48:36 And looking at the blueprints, making a plan to break in Ethan's idea. Okay. So the labs on the 42nd floor, and he's going to break in through the roof. There's a atrium that has louvers that closed the sun down. Only open for 40 seconds. And yes, as you were saying, Zach are not in sec, Jay Ethan's making his plan. Ambrose is really how well he knows Ethan. Cause he knows exactly what Ethan will do Speaker 3 00:48:58 Because he's already had to play him a number of times. I also like the exhaust port. Speaker 2 00:49:04 I liked the two briefings. I think that was funny. We're movies. Speaker 0 00:49:08 Yeah. So he's going to jump in, but he has to get those cables cleared within 40 seconds. So they have a chopper above biocide. Ethan's ready to go, but Luther is not ready. The louvers aren't moving. And he jumps before they open, open at the very last second, he jumps all the way down, pulls the cable, tied across his chest. And does the classic mission of possible pose. Yeah. It's Speaker 2 00:49:29 Basically like a bungee jump. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:49:31 Those gloves must be One just to have the wire to just keep constantly threading through the Palm and then to be able to grip and yank and oh God, I can't imagine what Drax felt. Getting yanked like that and his crotch. Oh God, the heart starting. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:49:55 I like how the henchman is like right there. And it's only your luck that he doesn't see Speaker 0 00:50:00 Skill it's skill. Of course. Yeah. So he, his clear the cable of 19 seconds activates the little transponder on his G shock watch. Very two thousands Speaker 2 00:50:12 That watch gets a lot of youth in this movie. Speaker 0 00:50:15 Oh yes it does. So we find out that apparently the only time that this can take place, is it 23 hours, one minute where the air filtration will cover his break-in and this is when the shift change happens. So Hugh and his team can take out the guard to the bottom. Speaker 2 00:50:29 Yeah. This was crazy. It's like, oh my God. They know exactly where he is and where he is. Why don't they Speaker 0 00:50:34 Kill him? Well, they need to get up there first. Speaker 2 00:50:36 I mean, obviously that they failed, but they should have succeeded. Everything should have gone. Right. Speaker 3 00:50:41 But at the same time, why didn't they kill them? One because they were going from the top and they're going in from the bottom. But also they want to set him up. Like Ambrose wants to set up. If at this point, his anger, he wants to show him up. He wants to base basically prove he's the biggest one in all capacity. And because he likes to leave a trail of bodies, Speaker 2 00:51:02 I guess you can also say, that's why he didn't just hit that helicopter with an RPG. Speaker 0 00:51:07 His main goal here is not to kill Ethan, but actually steal Kymera. Speaker 3 00:51:11 Yeah. Effie blew up the helicopter. The whole building would have gone down nine locked down. And then Speaker 2 00:51:15 Yeah. So it's like, I'm going to do both at once. Speaker 0 00:51:18 Yeah. Ethan needs to kill Kymera in two places, the incubation chamber and the remaining virus in the injection guns. So he goes through the incubation chamber, raises the temperature, kills everything. And as he's doing this Luther notices that Naya is in the building and he can't tell Ethan for another five and a half minutes. So oh no. Speaker 2 00:51:38 Oh, R zero. I also like, there's a quote here again. It's not one of my favorite place. Isn't it? What can we do? Just hope he killed all of them before the yellow dot needs. The red, Speaker 0 00:51:51 The red one. Yes. Thank you for explaining Speaker 2 00:51:53 To me, what is Speaker 0 00:51:55 Luther? Not Luther. He's not a for Luther. He's not a villain from DC comics. He's Speaker 2 00:52:02 Just the main character in a TV show. Yeah. There Speaker 0 00:52:05 You go. Ethan plants a bomb in the incubation chamber and goes to the injection gun and he's acting in this little flash thing. That'll kill the virus. And as he is about to the last one, he realizes that the only way that Nick COVID would get Kemira out because, okay, so Blair fun. It's a cure. It's easy to get out of the building. That's something, he's the one that an issue with. But Kymera is a top secret thing should not be easily able to get out of buildings. The only way he get it out is to inject himself. Speaker 2 00:52:32 Sure. I buy it, but okay. If the movie says, so I was like, oh my God, someone else is going to be doing it. I thought Ethan was going to do it. Speaker 0 00:52:39 Yeah. It looked like for a second. He was going to do it. But no, right before he's about to kill the last virus. Ambrose has men arrive, shoot up the place. You get a big shootout. Speaker 2 00:52:50 Hi Emily. I was waiting the whole movie for a John boom shootout. That's what he does. Speaker 0 00:52:53 Injection gun is getting thrown all over the place. Ethan does this nice little spin and starts to deal with it. And guns does this really fun. Really cool slide as you're shooting two guns. Speaker 2 00:53:04 Okay. I'm sorry. I have a question. Usually shoot this many people in these mission, impossible movies. Speaker 0 00:53:10 Not in the first one. He didn't shoot a single person in the third one. There is quite a bit of shit. Like when he's taken out someone he asked for not so much five. There's not. So no, it's really because as a John, I guess so. Speaker 3 00:53:26 Yeah. Typically even rather like, uh, like Sean Ambrose says he rather kind of divert and distract rather than kill people. Speaker 0 00:53:38 It was the worst he's prepared to do so. Speaker 3 00:53:40 Yeah. Plus, I mean, they're just minion. So Speaker 0 00:53:42 Luther's got like maybe two minutes left on his timer before we can let you get back into radio contact with Ethan, someone plants a bomb under his van. He notices it in the mirror and he grabs the laptop and the van explodes. Yeah. He barely, Speaker 2 00:53:57 It makes it out but I like later when he goes running away and then he started his own, like how to beat them. He was like, I'm out of shape, Ethan. I can't write. Speaker 3 00:54:09 Yeah. I like that. It's a, basically a same copy of when they're at their track when he has to run. And he's just like and we can see how quickly he can partition the fact that, okay. He has to grab something, get out Ron and be able to communicate rather quickly. And you see the first arm, he just does it. And he's just sweating. He's just like, uh, booted up. And then the next time he's just like, oh Speaker 0 00:54:38 Yeah, they get caught in a stalemate in a little bit of a standoff. There's a nice joke. Or Ethan says, he's getting a bit of a cold. Oh, I Speaker 2 00:54:47 Get it. Cause it's a flow high Speaker 0 00:54:49 Pitch. I mean, I use that gift a lot early in the pandemic. I didn't Speaker 2 00:54:54 Get it until just Speaker 0 00:54:54 Now. Uh, ah, come on. He taunts Ambrose that he didn't know where Kim mural was and reveals that he knows that the top bid is for 37 million pounds to counter Ambrose. Like, oh yeah, someone's been slipping you on our mail. Come out here and brings out nigh. And of course this gets Ethan's attention. Of course, Amber says, no, this is your fault that she's here. Cause he brought her into this. Ambrose tells her to go and get the injection gun and bring it to me. It's part of it's very slow. Speaker 2 00:55:25 I thought Speaker 0 00:55:26 The tension was there for me. Okay. Speaker 3 00:55:28 Again, it's a lot of the buildup it's showcasing the arc of emotions on every one side is going Ethan from his braggardly cockiness to, to his heart, felt worry to his now calculating mind process. And it's going from Shaun's Jocko that Ethan knows so much about the fact that he doesn't have it to his cocky. And it shows how their responses are exact opposites of each other the whole time. So you can see how w why Ethan is always like, what, wait, you got Sean to play me again. Uh, and then it showcases a bias who her home out of, uh, I, I, uh, oh, you know what? I am clever. Screw you guys. Speaker 2 00:56:19 I don't understand why Nye is still alive. Like, why has it Ambrose has killed her? Speaker 0 00:56:23 She's a bargaining chip. And she's also an element of surprise that he can throw anything that he's not prepared for. Speaker 2 00:56:29 Yeah, that's true. You just get a mass wifi pin and it's Speaker 0 00:56:32 Really effective. And it also gives him perfect opportunity to show how much of a misogynist he is. Speaker 2 00:56:37 Yeah. I don't have the exact Speaker 3 00:56:40 And just to dig in that extra control and extra Jasmine vile revenge on Naya as well, dangling her in front of Ethan. And, Speaker 0 00:56:51 But this is where Naya realizes she can change the narrative herself, take control and inject herself. Speaker 2 00:56:57 Yeah. And then I'm like, what crazy. And then there's more shooting. Speaker 0 00:57:00 Ethan blows his bomb that he had said to get her out of the line of fire also starts a timer. Naya says an Ambrose can't kill me because I got the last of the virus. And this is the bomb alerts, regular biocide guards who come rushing in. Yeah. They don't put up Speaker 2 00:57:15 Much of a fight though. Speaker 0 00:57:18 Like they're going up against either former IMF or highly trained goons. Speaker 2 00:57:24 I'm not saying it's not plausible. Is this disappointing. And it makes them feel like there's less of a threat if the cops are on their way, but the cops are really effective. Speaker 0 00:57:32 They're really supposed to be a threat. They're just supposed to be more chaos. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:57:36 That's, that's fine. And then around here Naya says, kill me, right? Yeah. Speaker 0 00:57:40 Yeah. Because she realizes that he can get both of them out of there. So if you kill me, that's the end of it. And you can just get out of here. Speaker 2 00:57:48 Not every time she says, kill me in this movie. But then Ethan is like, I can't kill you. You're too hot. Speaker 3 00:57:55 Well, he loves, so now Speaker 2 00:57:57 I'm joking. I'm joking. Speaker 0 00:57:59 Oh God, 19 hours and 48 minutes, I'll get the Lira phone into your system before then, uh, uh, throws his little pack, which has like C4 or something, blows a hole in a wall and base jumps out, Speaker 2 00:58:15 Which I liked. It was an actual explanation of why he couldn't get them both out because he says that. And I was like, well, Speaker 0 00:58:20 Y because that was his exit plan. Yep. Yep. Next day in downtown Sydney, Ambrose, Tom Snyder leaves her with his men as he's going to go to do the deal with McCloy and Ethan and his team are getting prepped to go in as well. They know where to find them. Ethan reveals that, you know, and whatever happens now, we'll take care of now. Which means that if she doesn't get Bel-Air fun, she'll kill herself and take care of it. Not only running against her dying, but also before she tries to kill herself. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:58:49 Which is good. Ticking clocks really work pretty Speaker 0 00:58:52 Well. Except we don't actually know what time that, you know, at one point Luther has how much time is that? Not much harder. They Speaker 2 00:58:58 Never tell us how much time is left. That's what Speaker 0 00:59:00 I'm saying. They should have given us a little bit of a timer because Speaker 3 00:59:03 The wait, the scenes play out. There's very, there's so much that happens. There's a bunch of cards and there's a bunch of long play. See that it would have been a lot harder for them to keep track of the timing. And also because of the way they're probably shooting the scenes, it would have forced them to be very specific on what they're doing when they're shooting, as well as when they're editing, it gives them more free play to kind of mishmash, but they need to do Speaker 0 00:59:30 Yeah. If they could have at least done one near the end so that you only have like say 10 minutes or five minutes or something like that. Yeah. I Speaker 2 00:59:36 Expected better from Brandon Braga. Speaker 0 00:59:39 Again, I'm pretty sure nothing from his script was used here. If they Speaker 2 00:59:43 Had it kept the clock ticking more. I think that would have Speaker 0 00:59:46 Improved this last bit. A lot. There's a lot of jumps. Like we don't like, okay, we see them the next day. So there's presumably at least six or seven hours gone Ambrose and his team arrives at bear island, Ethan on the edge of the cliff claim with the rocks up, he knocks out a guard with what I can only describe as a somersault kick to Speaker 2 01:00:05 Bicycle Keck, like from soccer Speaker 0 01:00:08 Basically, and kicks him like right in the ribs and then pushes them over the cliff. Yeah. That Speaker 2 01:00:13 Was great. Another gratuitous murder right here. Speaker 0 01:00:17 And he gets into the tunnels in side. Ambrose is showing McCloy that he has both files. They test them and Ethan is sneaking around. He knocks out another guard, the black widow Speaker 2 01:00:28 Move with the legs. Speaker 0 01:00:30 I'm like, why do I do this? Uh, a variation. But yeah, I think Harley Quinn Speaker 2 01:00:34 Also does it in the Speaker 0 01:00:35 Suicide squad. So we find out that what Ambrose is after is not just money, but it stucks. Speaker 3 01:00:41 This is ridiculous. Speaker 0 01:00:45 Yeah. There's that trope cutlet, Lex Luther a cheque basically. So, okay. You're inventing all this stuff. Why don't you just sell it and you make money. So here, his plan is to make money, but how was it? Speaker 2 01:00:54 And to get away with it because Brendan Gleason knows he can't live a life above the law. He's breaking his law. Speaker 3 01:01:01 Well, McCoy will be a minority shareholder, so he can be basically shut down too. He's just as culpable. So he's not, Speaker 0 01:01:11 She was trying to get the virus to so, and to redistribute the virus. So he's not, not Speaker 3 01:01:16 To mention the fact that he's a murderer. Speaker 0 01:01:17 Yeah. Oh yeah. He killed the Gretzky. That's right. Yeah. Speaker 3 01:01:22 Yeah. So bio-terrorism, Speaker 0 01:01:24 I love it for the audience if they haven't seen the movie. So Ambrose plans to spread an outbreak of Kemira and that'll create demand for Valera Fon. And as this happening, he has going to have stopped options to buy biocide stock at a certain price. And when those options will be worth billions and he'll own 51% of biocides Speaker 3 01:01:44 Without having to pay a set, because he's going to take the initial money that he gets from McCoy to buy all those shares. So therefore it's a seamless transition and he's out of it. There is no paper trail for him. It's just strictly a transfer into a transfer. Yep. Yep. Speaker 2 01:02:02 As long as Brendan Gleason keeps this Speaker 0 01:02:04 Would she will, because he could be, you know, like throw down as well. Right. So it gets exposed. Yeah, exactly. So just as this is Speaker 3 01:02:13 Promoting, Speaker 0 01:02:16 Uh, oh, I don't know. Let's see that kind of dates when we recorded this episode, Speaker 3 01:02:27 2020 ones. Speaker 0 01:02:28 Oh, oh anyways. Find out that Luther's true. Computer up and running. It's still vague on where somewhere in Sydney is where is sneaking around some more? Does this ridiculous double kick. So he kicks once with one leg, with a jump kicks with the other leg and then flips over and with a bunch of birds around him. Classic John. Woo. Speaker 2 01:02:49 Yeah. There pigeons, Speaker 0 01:02:51 Not doves. Sorry. Speaker 2 01:02:53 Is this also the part where they talk about the DNA matching? Yeah. Okay. So since we're here, since you guys are both Asian, how do you feel about Asian scientists and movies? Fine. How there's like the one Asian guy at a movie is this is the science. Speaker 0 01:03:07 Oh, you mean like, uh, what's his name from progressive park? There's Speaker 2 01:03:11 Like a million examples. Yeah. That is one of them. Speaker 0 01:03:14 I mean, we gotta get our part. He's like the only Asian character in this movie really isn't it it's a role, I suppose. I don't know. Speaker 3 01:03:24 Definitely still plays into the stereotyping and into promoting the racial Speaker 0 01:03:31 Minority myth Speaker 3 01:03:32 And the subservience of Asia and people who just kind of go with it. But I mean, it's, Speaker 0 01:03:38 I'm actually honestly surprised again. And this is John woo movie that there weren't more Asian characters in it, but it is a mission. Speaker 3 01:03:44 Impossible. True, Speaker 0 01:03:45 True. In the future, we'll get more Asian, like people on the team or countrymen who are Asian, who because like, are really good at martial arts and they're there for that. So, you know, it gets better later, but still here, it's not great. Speaker 2 01:03:59 Well, it reminded me of an interview I wrote or listened to with Danny Trejo. We talked about this, played a criminal for like 50 years or something. Right. It's his whole career. And he said that he used the connections he made in a Hollywood movie, made in Hollywood to get more like Hispanic actors into roles. And he's very happy with that. And I'm happy that he's happy, but it sucks that it took him like his whole life basically to start playing people other than criminals. But I guess that's you do what you gotta do. Speaker 0 01:04:29 That's why representation is important back to this. So we get what I was called, the peak Lu Missy. So Ethan throws a pipe bomb at the door, shoots it. So the door is on fire and he goes past the door and a dove flies through the doorframe. As Ethan's perfectly framed in there, I walk the Speaker 2 01:04:53 Dog. Speaker 0 01:04:54 It's just peak John woo. There. Speaker 2 01:04:57 Like how he doesn't even try to explain why there are doves. Everywhere is, Speaker 0 01:05:02 Uh, dove is on the poster of this movie. Like the outline of birds is on the poster. Speaker 2 01:05:07 Do you think it's supposed to be like a metaphor for something? Or is this good guy? Speaker 0 01:05:12 Oh, Speaker 2 01:05:13 Okay. Speaker 0 01:05:14 so Ethan is hiding up in a, in an alcove and this bird gives him away. Like it flies out. Hugh turns back, sees the bird and Ethan perfectly times it, so he swings out and kicks Hugh in the face, but they both blend on the floor and it says, raise your hands very slowly. In his hand is a grenade, which he throws behind him into a bunch of like gasoline tanks. Speaker 3 01:05:42 Apparently. Yeah. It's like Speaker 0 01:05:45 Pebble on there. I didn't know exactly what it Speaker 3 01:05:47 Was. More like a nitrous oxide. Thanks Speaker 0 01:05:50 Knox. I just loved Speaker 3 01:05:52 The red barrel exploding. It's like a Speaker 0 01:05:55 Big explosion. We get Hugh on the radio calling Ambrose saying he's captured Ethan. I'm like, I don't think so. Uh, Hugh brings in Ethan and he says that he's broke his jaw. So he can't talk. Ambrose shoots him in the leg. Speaker 3 01:06:13 I expect better from Ambrose. He should be smarter than this because the mass, Speaker 0 01:06:18 But he's also pissed off at Ethan. So he's not thinking gets McCloy down on his knees and holds a gun to his head and says, this is what's known as getting your gun off. I hated that line. Well, it's a callback to previously in the movie. It's such a need to get your gun off. You didn't know where the virus really was. I couldn't. Speaker 3 01:06:37 Nobody says getting your gun off Speaker 0 01:06:40 A fair enough. Alright. Yes, no, no one says it turns and says shooting. McCloy shoots Ethan, a bunch empties his clip into Ethan's chest with the music, swelling music gets quieter and Ethan's body rolls over notices bandage on his pinky.dot. I was like, wait, what pulls the mask? And it's stamper looking up at him with his mouth ducting. Speaker 3 01:07:10 When this first showed, I thought it was going to be one of the henchmen. He knocked out initially that I already prepped. I did not expect it to go. I like in the background of this whole monologue slash wannabe dialogue, where you see stamp just slowly Speaker 0 01:07:35 Back up, Speaker 3 01:07:35 Back up, and then take a slot to the left slide, to the left, move his hand to the left. Speaker 0 01:07:43 Um, like you could see it, all of it happening in the backroom. And if you're paying attention, I like it. So stamp is running off with the vials, puts them in his jacket, pulls off the mask. You get the full-on mission, impossible theme going more dogs jumps out of the, you know, little underground base, put some sunglasses on, tells Luther to back off and pinpoint his positions does this running and he jumps. And does this, what would you, how would you describe the side? Roll upside down gunshot. I have Speaker 2 01:08:15 Also shoots more red barrels. Yes. Even though they're not red or barrels, they do blow up. Speaker 0 01:08:21 When he lands from this jump. This is the one time where like, oh, I can see the pads there. Cause it's grass. The grass bounces up as Speaker 2 01:08:30 That's it. Yeah, that's right. It's literally see the mat outline on the mat. It's great. Speaker 0 01:08:38 But still he did that jump and landed. That was awesome. He shoots people off of motorcycles gets on the black one Speaker 2 01:08:46 Motor by disappears. No, Speaker 0 01:08:48 No. They were there with Ambrose's convoy in the beginning. Speaker 2 01:08:52 Okay. But they're like on top of the compound, they're not like in the street or whatever. Yeah. Okay. I used to just drive around until I see us at a be secret agent. Well, Speaker 0 01:09:04 I think also they saw a giant explosion and said, okay, what's going on here? Speaker 2 01:09:09 Okay. But yeah, you're right. Let's keep going into the huge motorbike chase. Speaker 0 01:09:13 So good. So good. He goes that, you know, he's crossing the bridge has Luther clear the bridge Luther shoots. So I get RPG at one of the vans. Giant explosion drives through the flames. This is the other scene, which we'll call peak Wu. When he's driving through the flames on the motorcycle with sunglasses on, in the leather jacket. Speaker 2 01:09:32 Yeah. Slow motion. I also call it peak nineties and I don't care that came out in 2000. Speaker 0 01:09:38 Yeah. So Ambross gets on the other bike. At one point, you Luther Luther pulls up, what was this move? So he pulls up next to one of the cars in the helicopter gets down low and he's like aiming for a very long time. And then the guy just pulls out a gun and shoots him, put a hole in my, for such. Speaker 2 01:09:56 And he loves his clothes. You also won't put this. Oh, I'm bad now. Speaker 0 01:10:01 Yes. So Speaker 2 01:10:02 Like a video game boss, there's also a part where a henchman get pancaked under a 18 Wheeler, Speaker 0 01:10:10 Uh, puts the brakes on my bike and then accelerate the same time, creates a smoke screen. And that's when Wallace, his cousin, Tom Cruise's cousin gets smashed and exploded Speaker 2 01:10:23 More Kelling. Speaker 0 01:10:25 Yes. So good. In the midst of all this Luther found Niah, Ambrose catches up, Ethan progressively. It takes out basically every other henchmen in a vehicle besides Ambrose in various ways. Speaker 2 01:10:38 I have a note where there's multiple cuts of something happening at Stotts. I'm sorry. Multiple cuts of stones. So you don't hope you'll make fun of that part and take in three words, like 11, Speaker 0 01:10:47 Where he's jumping over the fence and there's like seven cuts. It's funny to see that Speaker 2 01:10:51 This was kind of the predecessor to that, Speaker 0 01:10:52 Except for here though. It would be, yeah. There's a lot of cuts, but it was also like, I think it was more artfully done. Speaker 2 01:10:58 Well, sure. That's what I would expect from John will also this part, so many motorbike revving sounds. It's like, you better like it? Speaker 0 01:11:11 I love it. Greatest parts where Ethan jumps over the bike and uses it as cover. So he's got his feet on the floor, on the road as it's still going use his cover as Ambrose strengths. Shoot him. I used to be able to do this on a bike, like just a regular bike. Oh, okay. Not with an engine bike, not with an engine. I was like, I haven't tried it in a decade. At least it would never even occurred to me. Speaker 3 01:11:38 I feel like we have bikes. We have cameras. Speaker 0 01:11:42 No, I would need a month of prep to be able to do that again. You're hard to hear everybody put it on the social media. Oh, I mean, I have the outfit. I would just actually need to shave. Basically. Speaker 3 01:11:58 I appreciate the fact that in this scene they actual yearly use like the proper physics we're shooting a gas tank doesn't cause an explosion, but everything else, all the other cars absolutely explode when you shoot the tank, but at least this motorbike does it. Do you also appreciate that all the henchmen are just driving random POS a random for tourists, tourists. And you're like, I used to have one of those Speaker 0 01:12:26 And Ross doesn't have all the money yet. He needs some money. He saved making some savings. Yeah. He's Speaker 3 01:12:32 Investing. Yeah. Speaker 0 01:12:33 I also like for here where he uses his rear view mirror to aim at Ambrose to shoot out his windscreen. I was like, that is, I couldn't even think of the, how would you do that? Like how, how exactly would that help you aid? Speaker 3 01:12:46 Well, it's just giving you a point of reference. So you know where your side view mirror is, you should be able to tell in relation to where you are true, where the other vehicle is with enough practice, you should be able to. Speaker 0 01:12:58 Yeah, I guess that means that Ethan has practiced practices. Cause he doesn't take multiple shots to do. He does that aims and with one shot, like takes out the windshield. Speaker 3 01:13:07 But I mean, Nathan is easy for Ethan and he is a master of his own body and understanding exactly how his body reacts and moves in the proper dimensions. So he's looking through, he's getting a reference and I mean, you could still kind of look through at the Speaker 0 01:13:26 Bar. You could kind of use iron science, I guess. Yeah. Speaker 3 01:13:29 I mean you could shoot over your shoulder behind you. If you can look over your shoulder, it's just making sure that you have the side view to pinpoint when he's going to be in branch for you to reach past. Speaker 0 01:13:41 It's not actually used for Amy. It's more for where is Ambrose. So you can track Speaker 3 01:13:45 For, it's easier to make sense, like back and track. Speaker 0 01:13:48 Yeah. Still a great move. So we get to what they call the jailhouse, the motorcycle, just motorcycle to all. But that is better. Also, if you notice the wheels on the motorcycles have changed too, like all-terrain treads. No, I did not notice that. Yeah. Yeah. So they are facing off, both do wheelies at each other and then they jump up from their bikes, smash into each other fall like 40 feet onto the beach and as Speaker 3 01:14:19 Positive right there, they should have paused it right there. It should have said Speaker 0 01:14:24 There's mission. Just got a hell of a lot more impossible or Speaker 2 01:14:29 Like an SNL skit or somethings from Speaker 0 01:14:30 The Ben Stiller scale. Speaker 3 01:14:33 I just read that they wanted to do that whole MTV thing. But Ben Stiller was on his honeymoon. So it'd be like, we need you like right now. And he's like, and he left his honeymoon to do it. Speaker 0 01:14:47 That's what I heard about that. Speaker 2 01:14:49 And I appreciate it. I thought of that during the fight when Tom cruise keeps kicking bad guy, Speaker 0 01:14:56 We have too many kicks here. You know what you want to kick away. Let's kick into a Speaker 2 01:14:59 Possible romance. Speaker 0 01:15:02 I love to kick yourself. Let's get to it. So there fall 40 feet of least guns fly out of holsters, land, various places on the beach. Speaker 2 01:15:10 This is great. So the gun lands, flick a thought and then the camera zooms in on it. It's like, Speaker 0 01:15:16 So start kicking. Ethan pulls the leather jacket off. And then Ethan just starts getting the crap beat out of him in this first part, right up until the point where Ambrose pulls the knife out like slashes. And so he gets this really narrowly cut on his, on his cheek. Speaker 2 01:15:31 It's in the movie poster to where the knife is like almost had his, I, I hate it when movies do that, that was real. Can we just declare a moratorium on that? Speaker 0 01:15:40 So they had this rig set up so that the knife was T had a wire on it. That was exactly the length. So that if you pulled on it, it can go any further. Usually when you do this sort of thing, you will have it and it'll stop. And it's the stunt man holding it back. Knowing how far here the stunt man just would've laughed. So it could get as close as possible. And you could feel the tension on that. Speaker 3 01:16:05 Just glad he didn't flinch. You kept doing it. I would have, Speaker 0 01:16:13 Ethan gets control of the knife and does this nice little front role, which I thought was really fun. And as this is going on, we see Naya is at a cliff. And it's thinking about throwing herself off. Speaker 2 01:16:24 Yeah. She like recaps the stakes, which it's like, we know Naya, come on. That's fine. I thought so to recap Speaker 0 01:16:32 Luther, but yeah, no, she says nothing. Speaker 3 01:16:35 It's Luther the helicopter talking about Speaker 0 01:16:37 This. She's only got a few more minutes left. So like that. Speaker 2 01:16:39 Yeah. I'd go. Yeah. This is what I was like, but she looks fine. Oh wait. It's until the point where he does a flying double kick the captain. Speaker 0 01:16:49 Yes. And he also does this Cartwheel kick, which I liked. What would you describe his final kick to Ambrose sat like a spinning jump sidekick. Sure. Speaker 2 01:17:00 I mean, you're the one who does have Quito, Speaker 0 01:17:03 Not a kick that I've done. I don't know because he jumps and he has like, he has the one kick. Then it comes out to a sidekick. Right? Speaker 3 01:17:11 So it's a basic traditional off-balance jump, spin, kick jumping, spinning. But it's big off angle. A little loud. And cause he had just, um, the leg or the arm flip-flop He's already pre crouched. And then so he just takes that extra step to do the spin. So it's yeah, it would have been, if you were standing and everyone was standing, it would've been a regular spin kick, but to give it a little more dramatic. Speaker 0 01:17:42 Yeah. The jump, if you look at this, I don't know where I heard this, but I've heard that the kit that they use, that the stuntman actually got hit in the face. So if you watch it very carefully, you can see like after the kicks you can see a slightly concerned, look on Tom. Cruise's face like, oh what? Oh, that's fine. But you know, a lot of times when you have those kids, those hits you see it now they'll do Pretty much for stuntman it. A lot of times, if you actually get hit, you'll get the best reaction. And that's the sharp end up using Go after the season. Oh my God. It's you okay. But yeah, it's I'm seeing now can you, Jay? So he knocks out Ambrose and Luther arrives. Speaker 2 01:18:37 Oh wait, I'm sorry. Yes. He hits his head on a rock. Oh Speaker 0 01:18:39 Yes. Speaker 2 01:18:41 I thought it was going to be the Nightwing from a justice. Speaker 0 01:18:45 He was dead there Speaker 2 01:18:46 Also the Jay and I watched the show called Colditz where a guy gets knocked over and he hits his head and dies and it's really stupid. But fortunately he immediately comes back as it turns out. Yeah. Speaker 3 01:18:57 Oh, that's rough because that Rocky hits it at the apex. That shit. But I guess because of the way the kick is, that's not a full as forceful because all the way. Speaker 0 01:19:09 Yeah. He like, he looked like he let his body land it and then his head, it wasn't like just on his head immediately kind of thing. So it gave him a little more cushion to go back, but he Speaker 2 01:19:20 Drank his dairy. So it was Speaker 0 01:19:22 Strong. So Luther arrives, Ethan gets his jacket to give him the antidote so he can get it into Naya. And that's when Amber reveals that he's got a gun and he says, you should have killed me. This is a peak wound. Number three. Speaker 2 01:19:37 Also, this is the poor with a lot of cutting like that sh cuts, cuts, cuts, cuts, cuts. We were talking about earlier. Speaker 0 01:19:43 There's more of that. So the rotor blades of the helicopter reveal a gun in the sand. One of the guns from when they fell off, you know, 40 feet, he tosses the antidote to Luther kicks the ground or the sand underneath the gun, which pops the gun up and doesn't just grab it. He likes spins and grabs it as he's going down and then shoots basically empties his clip into Ambrose. It's a Speaker 2 01:20:08 Good thing. The gun didn't jam for being of the sand that whole time also, are you going to tell us that he actually did this? Speaker 0 01:20:15 I mean, it wasn't stated, but I assume that he did Speaker 2 01:20:19 Grabbing the gun out of the air is fine. I'm in like picking it up into the air. Speaker 0 01:20:24 We had like a little like, uh, something to shoot into the air. Yeah. Speaker 3 01:20:28 I liked the fact. So rewatching the scene right now, before he does the kick and he is showing him, uh, staring at Luther, Speaker 0 01:20:36 Does he do like a little wink? Speaker 3 01:20:37 It's a very subtle one, but it's as he's tossing it and you look at where his feet are, you can see that the sand is like pushed up and like there's a little like Al pro his foot to sit there. Speaker 0 01:20:49 Uh, Speaker 3 01:20:51 But then, then the next thing, when he does it, it's completely flat. You could definitely tell he's been doing that for a while. Speaker 2 01:20:58 Like Speaker 0 01:21:00 Yeah. Yeah. Nah, it gets dosed with Ethan report to Swan buck and says that, you know, there's no trace of Kymera, not even antibodies Speaker 2 01:21:11 Antibodies, but then Anthony Hopkins is like, well, why didn't you bring back a sample? You were explicitly told to which I don't remember him being told. Speaker 0 01:21:18 Yeah. In the very beginning he says your recover, this Kymera, whatever it is and bring it back to us. Speaker 2 01:21:23 Okay. Is it like a Wayland Yutani thing from alien? They wanted it Speaker 0 01:21:28 Here's the thing, there was the vial of Niaz blood. So we just, I guess we just assumed that he, you know, destroyed that too. Yeah. Speaker 2 01:21:36 Did the hero thing where, oh, this is too dangerous for anyone to have, including me, including the good guys we're going to destroy. Speaker 0 01:21:42 What does this mean? That in the mission, impossible universe, there are no flues anymore because the letter font could still cure like any common flu. We got to pay for Speaker 2 01:21:50 It. Speaker 3 01:21:51 One, he talks about how he destroyed it on fire possibly when he blew up the lab, the lab. But also when he blew up the, uh, Plus I'm assuming Sean Ambrose didn't carry like a whole pocket full of Niaz blood. I'm assuming he brought just enough to prove that. Speaker 0 01:22:14 I know he only had that, I assume, but I mean, but for Bellara fun, like I guess the only one, he Only had like one or two vials. So that's probably what he used to dose Naya. And then anything would have gotten destroyed in the fight. So all damn they don't. So they don't have a cure for the flu anymore. Speaker 2 01:22:32 I liked Christian's interpretation. Better allow. Speaker 0 01:22:36 We find that Niaz record has been expunged Speaker 2 01:22:39 Is expunged doubt. It's like, thanks for explaining it to me. Movie pre and condescend extreme writer. Speaker 0 01:22:47 Yes. Blame. But what's his face? Uh, Robert towels. Speaker 2 01:22:50 I would like to imagine this royalty more, get out like deforest Kelley, instead of saying he's dead, Jim, why don't you say he's dead? Which means he's no longer alive down just in case of the audiences of data Speaker 3 01:23:01 Back. Yeah. Sean Ambrose come back. Speaker 0 01:23:06 Yeah. So he says, you know, all right, go take a vacation. Ethan says this time, I'll tell you where I'm going. Don't, wouldn't be a vacation if you did Speaker 2 01:23:14 Call Speaker 0 01:23:14 Back. And we see, you know, some sort of festival going on in Sydney, nine, Ethan meet, he says, you know, let's get lost together. And they go out, walk off into the sunset, never to return ever in a mission, impossible movie, Speaker 2 01:23:28 Just like James Bond time. I right. Speaker 0 01:23:30 And then we get Metallica's I disappear as the first song, the song which started Napster versus Metallica and killed Napster. Yes. Speaker 2 01:23:43 A little bit of history there. Speaker 0 01:23:45 All right. So should we get into our spy facts versus spy fiction? Speaker 2 01:23:50 I have a little bit. Do you want me to go for, so the Atlantic has an article called scientists are creating new incurable diseases in lab Cazan and it's from May, 2014. Basically. She's like swine flu was gone for 20 years and then it came back in 1977 because it was due to a lab leak. Same with the H five N one to avian flu that killed two dozen people in Hong Kong. 1997. Basically the point is, I don't know about a superbug, but the idea that these guys were messing around with a virus and then someone could take advantage of that. It was pretty plausible. As far as fictional spy, movies go, Speaker 0 01:24:30 Okay, a Chi or a virus is actually a thing. And then say virus that contains genetic material derived from two or more distinct viruses. I'm not clear because I'm not a geneticist by any means. So I'm not sure if that means that happened naturally, or if it happened artificially. Oh no. Nevermind. Looking at more on the Wikipedia article, it does happen as a natural phenomenon, but it could also be used as a bio weapon. And apparently the Soviet union had a Kymera project in the 1980s and nineties to combine smallpox, Ebola and cephalitis. Yeah. Which sounds terrible. Yeah. So Kymera as a myth, pretty much we got, got it on the nose when, uh, Luther explains it, it say that's a fire-breathing hybrid of a creature. It has a lion with a head of a goat from its backend, a tail with a snake's head. Speaker 0 01:25:22 And it was a sibling of such monsters of Severus and Hydra and the hero killed it with the help of what's the flying horse Pegasus. Oh. So ring around the roses. We see very early on in the film, that is the common conceit that it's referring to the black plague. However, folklore scholars have regarded the great plague explanation of the rhyme as baseless for several reasons why? Yeah, no, apparently the plague explanation didn't appear until post-World war two. The symptoms don't actually fit well with grit, plague, and the great variety of forums of bringing around the roses makes it unlikely. The modern form is the most ancient. So the words are on which the interpretation of based are actually not found in the earliest records of the rhyme. And lastly, the European and 19th century version of the rhyme suggest that fall in all fall down was not a literal falling down, but a curtsy or other form of bending that was common in dramatic singing games. Speaker 0 01:26:21 This is like blowing my mind. Yeah. So, whereas that's probably what the screenwriters were drawing on when they were talking about this. It is not what actually happened. The other thing is the festival in Seville is actually based on three different festivals that happen in various places of Spain. So first of all, holy week in Seville the fellas in Valencia and Sanford Munis in Pamplona, they took basically three different things from Spanish festivals and mashed them into one. Also didn't film in Spain. This was all filmed in Australia all together, but there's no running of the balls. That's only a night and day. Yeah. I watched a video with Alex Hano Honnold I think is how you pronounce his name, the guy who did free solo. You do the video for GQ sports called the breakdown, which was like analyzing rock climbing in movies. And he said that mission bustle is like his favorite one. Speaker 0 01:27:16 So he said that the, when he does, it's called a double knee bar when he puts both his knees into little crevice to rest is a legitimate way to rest jumping from one tower to the other is outrageous him sliding on and then catching it with one hand is pretty legit that so stuff does happen, but his hands should not have been as cut up as they were like. He said that if your hands are that cut up, you probably shouldn't be climbing. There might be a need to toughen up. In other words, you're doing not, not even that, it's just, you're doing too many things that get your hands cut off that you shouldn't be doing. Okay. Hanging from one hand is unrealistic. But so rad his words as is the reverse iron cross. But the climbing up after he does that reverse and cross his privileges is decent, like movement and heel toe movement. Speaker 0 01:28:04 He said, basically it's all there just turned over the top, turned up to 11, just like we would expect from Hollywood. Where did he say about captain Kirk climb? And then the final Frankie said that centering that it was actually where he clammed OCAP. Um, he thought some of the climate was good, but others it's definitely clearly just William Shatner, like on a set, throwing the rocket boots in there just makes it even more ridiculous. Okay. Who needs explanation of stock options? Got I don't think I do well. I will say that I didn't understand it for the longest time until I took like an economics class in college. And then I was only half paying attention to the class. And then I brought up stock options. I was like, hold on. How does this work? Basically? It just gives you the right to buy stock at a certain grade upon rate. So even if the stock is, you know, over at 200, but you have the option to buy at 31, then you save a lot of money and make a lot of money that way. All right. So shall we get into our favorite quotes? Speaker 2 01:29:01 Yeah. Why don't you guys go first since already set a couple? Speaker 0 01:29:04 I have a lot, but I'll, I'll pair it down to a few. So from Swan Beck, this isn't mission difficult. Mr. Hunt it's mission impossible. Difficult to be a walk in the park for you. Speaker 3 01:29:16 Definitely. Speaker 0 01:29:17 No. Hunter will prefer to enter biocide somewhere from the top where security is minimal. He'll undoubtedly engage in some aerobatic insanity before he'll risk charming a hair on so security guards head. It is funny Speaker 2 01:29:27 How in just one movie they're already like establishing the tropes. Like Speaker 0 01:29:33 I also, I like basically encapsulate his entire, how he works in that scene. I said, okay, he does misdirection over confrontation. Let's see. In the last I've got, uh, you know, that was the hardest part of trying to portray you grinning like an idiot every 15 minutes. Speaker 3 01:29:50 That was one of my favorite parts Speaker 2 01:29:52 Because I don't feel like he grins that much, but maybe Speaker 0 01:29:55 Tom cruise, Tom cruise smiles. That it's really that. Okay. Actually. No, he does smile a lot in the first movie too. It's it's the Tom cruise smile. Speaker 3 01:30:03 There's a little cheekiness. Speaker 2 01:30:05 Okay. All right. Yeah. I can go next. I liked some of the flirtation James Bond lines. Like, do you mind if I'm on top and what are you going to do? Spank me, excuse me. And then the part where he says, you're going to be the typhoid Mary of Oz Maya. I was like, Oz, oh, wait, stick, you call it Oz. I was like, why are you talking about the wizard of Oz? And then the last one I have is someone says to him, like used to do stir, just like in the book, they've got a book for that. And he says, they've got a book for everything. Speaker 0 01:30:37 All right, Jay, Speaker 3 01:30:38 I just, uh, going back to, uh, the romance. Ah, where did you get this number? I didn't even have it. You're why are you so cheeky? So cheeky. I just liked the, how, when they're just playing around again, like you said, when they first kiss and all that, and then like carried away to a decent interval who wants to be decent and that immediately cuts to them in bed. Wow. Okay. Now what happened real quick? Real quick. The last one is, uh, will Luther talking about the satellite satellite doesn't work as fast as I do, But it's just him going click, click, click, click, click there. Speaker 0 01:31:26 You know, if I'm pulling in from the, uh, the MTV short, like you gotta just mention this mission. It just got a hell of a lot more impossible. Speaker 2 01:31:35 That one about the mission being possible to difficult should be easy. It's pretty darn close to that. All right. Well now it is time for ratings on a scale of one to 10 Martinez, one being the Avengers, 1998 and 10 being some hypothetical movie that probably doesn't exist. How would we rate mission impossible to J as our guests? Would you like to go first Speaker 3 01:31:55 Two thousands? J probably we would've put it at like eight martini. Speaker 2 01:32:01 Current Speaker 3 01:32:01 J probably puts it at like a six Speaker 2 01:32:05 And a half seven. Wow. You really liked that. I would say about Speaker 3 01:32:08 Six and a half, Speaker 0 01:32:09 Six and a half. Speaker 3 01:32:11 We've talked about it initially when I first saw it, it was just amazing. And then watching it over the years, again and again, a pacing is a little slow. Pacing is off. I appreciate the reasons why behind it, the long slow, drawn out certain sections, but I feel like they could have probably have done it in a different way to get the same basic effect. And then John moves magic is just John who's magic, which automatically bumps that thing Speaker 2 01:32:40 Up. I see it still Speaker 3 01:32:41 Plays pretty well. It's longer than it should have been. I feel like, I mean, it is two hours long. It definitely could have been a lot less, but I did like a lot of the way they played what I mean, it's typical mission, impossible diversion and distraction play, uh, which was really cool. I especially liked all McCloy in the car and then pulling them out and then making him just think it was a nightmare. Like normally that's not what you do. You don't put them back in. Like you don't see that. So like that just really blew my mind back then and even looking at it again today, seeing how all the little pieces were put together, this still makes it work really well for me. Speaker 2 01:33:20 Thank you, Jay. I am going to give this a four out of 10 martinis. I felt like it was a pretty big step down from the first one, the bad guy socked. The story was very straightforward. Like there weren't a lot of like twists and turns, not enough crazy high flying stunts. Like there was just, just the one. I didn't like how they spent so much time recruiting Daya. That seemed like it was wasting my time and the motorcycle chases and the big flying kicks didn't really do that much for me. So Speaker 0 01:33:49 Kicking impossible. Speaker 2 01:33:51 Yeah. Sorry. I'm not a kick fan. Okay. Tom cruise. Speaker 0 01:33:57 All right. So four 10. So this movie, I mean this movie almost as much as the first movie was like a big part of my childhood and growing up, like, I, I don't think I could actually count how many times I saw this movie and going into the day, I almost considered, you know, what do I need to watch this? I know this movie is so well. I could probably just talk about this movie without having seen it again, but you know what? I've got some time I'll watch. And even though it's the probably hundreds or maybe 200 time, I've seen this movie, I still got drawn into it. I still enjoyed it. So it's funny that you mentioned Zach, that it was, you know, you said it was too straightforward. This is intentionally done because too many people got confused by this first movie, all the twists and turns work too confusing for audiences there now. Sure. Great. So, so that's why that reads is that J it's funny that you mentioned that you think it's too long, John's ooze original cut for this movie is three and a half hours long Speaker 2 01:34:56 Even like Speaker 0 01:34:57 Happens. There's apparently more that happens in there. And this cut it's somewhere in a vault in paramount. Like I think it exists, but it has not never seen the light of day. Maybe someday we'll see it. And we'll see what was cut out. Hashtag really, Speaker 3 01:35:14 Probably a lot of the bunker scene Speaker 0 01:35:18 There. And apparently it was also more rated our cut as well. So that, that was funny that you guys brought up those two things, I guess. Okay. It does run a little long sometimes and yes, it takes a long time to get to the action. Okay. Also, Adam, just to counter act counterpoint, Zach, you said there's only one big.here, but how much action is actually in the first movie? How many stents? There's one big stuck in the first movie really? And that's the tank. Speaker 2 01:35:43 Okay. Well, my counterpoint to that Christian is that the end of the first one is a long fight chasing on a high-speed train explaining in the contrast, the climax here is two guys like kicking each other on a cliff. Speaker 0 01:35:59 If you're invested in the story, I think it plays better, which I was, Speaker 2 01:36:05 I was invested in this story, what I expect for these mission, impossible movies, and maybe it's unfair going forward. And then moving back, I expected it to be big, everything to be, you know, big stunts. Speaker 0 01:36:18 I'm curious what you think of the third one when we get to it, but we'll see. So I realized I actually didn't even get to my rating yet. So given all of that, I was waffling between a seven and a half and an eight. I'm going to give it a seven and a half because I still really enjoy this movie. And, you know, actually, you know what, I'm looking at. Some of my rings at other movies, and there are movies that I enjoyed less that I gave him the second half. Don't know, we're bumping it up to the eighth. We're bumping it up to the eight because I can still go back to this movie and still have fun with it. And I really loved the misdirection. I love, I, I know you hate the mask sack, but I love the masks and I love how well they're used here. It's a little over the top. It's up to up to 11, but I think it's done really well. And like the, the masks pools are dramatic and well done. So yeah, full eight, Speaker 2 01:37:06 They use the mass a little bit better in this one than they did in some of the others. Alrighty. Okay. Well, thank you for joining us for mission impossible to J is there anything you would like to plug before we get going? You can find Speaker 3 01:37:17 On Twitter MC slanty, uh, you can check out feature neuro.com or in the web comic artists and owner, and also on Twitch MC slash. Speaker 0 01:37:27 Yeah. 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