January 18, 2024

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"Spy"

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"Spy"
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"Spy"

Jan 18 2024 | 01:12:24

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It's a new year and a new Spy-Fi Guys. This time the guys travel to 2015 with a movie they remember fondly (for the comedy if not for its boring title), "Spy" starring Melissa McCarthy and Jason Statham. Zach is a fan of Melissa and Christian can't get enough Jason, but does the movie hold up nine years later?

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[00:00:00] Speaker A: You. She's finally getting some action. We are the spy fi guys, and this is Spy. Hello, and welcome to the spy fi guys, where we cover spy fact, spy fiction, and everything in between. I'm Zach. [00:00:19] Speaker B: And I'm Christian. [00:00:20] Speaker A: And happy New Year, Christian. We're back in 2024 after a nice break. [00:00:24] Speaker B: Yeah, happy New Year. What do we know about 2024? I know it's the year that Highlander two takes place in, but let's hope we're not in for any of that this year. [00:00:35] Speaker A: We don't do a lot of fictional future spy movies around here, now, do we? [00:00:40] Speaker B: I don't know that there are any. [00:00:43] Speaker A: Yeah, it would be something like Blade Runner. That's kind of what I was imagining, but not to be a future. But we're not here to talk about those movies. We're here to talk about spy starring Melissa McCarthy. [00:00:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Which is a fun film. We watched it together when it came. [00:00:58] Speaker A: Out, actually, before it came out. [00:01:00] Speaker B: Before it came out with a free screening with the spy museum, if I recall. [00:01:04] Speaker A: Yeah. And what do you remember, Christian? [00:01:06] Speaker B: I remember enjoying it a lot. We went with a bunch of people. Everyone seemed to have fun with it. [00:01:12] Speaker A: I remember loving it. Like, legit loving it. [00:01:15] Speaker B: Have you gone back to it since? No, I have not either. So that is very interesting. All right. [00:01:20] Speaker A: But stuff did come back to me while I was watching it. [00:01:24] Speaker B: Yeah. I will say that this movie just with the name is hard to look up things for. [00:01:32] Speaker A: The name is the worst part by far. [00:01:35] Speaker B: It's a toss up between what is harder to find things about spy or Triple XXX? [00:01:42] Speaker A: Good question. Depends on who's looking over your shoulder. I think it's just a bad title. Anyway, these people are being paid millions of dollars. They couldn't come up with something more original or at least put the Vo in there like the spy. [00:01:53] Speaker B: Well, that's taken now. [00:01:55] Speaker A: Taken now. I mean, it's very direct and it's very to the point. So I guess I've got that. Just like our main character. [00:02:02] Speaker B: Speaking of being direct and to the point, shall we get into it? [00:02:06] Speaker A: Yes. So, as always, we have our poetry synopsis. [00:02:10] Speaker B: Yes. [00:02:11] Speaker A: So we will start with our haiku. Untapped potential. Women tearing down women Susan outgrows. [00:02:21] Speaker B: Hmm. All right. Okay. [00:02:23] Speaker A: I made that about the themes of the movie, what the movie is trying to say. [00:02:26] Speaker B: I liked it. Yeah. [00:02:27] Speaker A: And then here's the limerick. There once was a woman called Coop who for years was left out of the loop. She doesn't know wine, but can dress pretty fine. And now she's the lead of the. [00:02:39] Speaker B: Pretty good. Pretty good. All right, and what is our actual IMDb synopsis? [00:02:43] Speaker A: Yes. Our actual IMDb synopsis is a deskbound CIA analyst volunteers to go undercover to infiltrate the world of a deadly arms dealer and prevent diabolical global disaster. [00:02:55] Speaker B: It's a lot. [00:02:57] Speaker A: Yeah. But I feel like it's pretty. [00:02:59] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:03:00] Speaker A: And with that, off we go. [00:03:01] Speaker B: So we start with Joseph Fine, played by Jude law, who's a spy for the CIA on a mission, and he's basically James Bond. [00:03:10] Speaker A: But even before we have him, I noticed it's directed and written by Paul Feek, who did bridesmaids, which was Melissa McCarthy's breakout role, but he also did the 2016 Ghostbusters, which this movie reminded me of. [00:03:23] Speaker B: Interesting. [00:03:24] Speaker A: Okay, and we'll get into that. Why get into that later. [00:03:27] Speaker B: All right. You know that bringing up that ghostbusters, or as it's known, Ghostbusters, answer the call, is like bringing up the last Jedi on the Internet. So prepare for bombardment. [00:03:39] Speaker A: We would be so lucky as to get bombarded, but I would just say it's not as bad as everyone says, but it's also not that great. That's my take on it. I actually enjoyed it when we watched it. [00:03:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:48] Speaker A: Anyway, carry on. Yes. So we have Bradley Fein, who's basically James Bond. The women love him. He can fight tuxedo. [00:03:56] Speaker B: He's american, which threw me mean, you got Jude law. I was expecting him to be british, but to have him be a CIA spy, it makes more sense if he's american. [00:04:08] Speaker A: He does work for the CIA, which they chose to do. The CIA, I noticed, and not a fictional agency this time. That's always interesting. I have a question for you. There's a part where he looks at a woman and says, baccarat. Does Baccarat have some double meaning that I'm not aware of? [00:04:22] Speaker B: Yes and no. So he's not looking at the woman. He's looking at the glass. [00:04:25] Speaker A: That doesn't explain anything. [00:04:27] Speaker B: Baccarat is the name of a company that makes fine glassware. [00:04:30] Speaker A: Wow. You should play bar trivia. I'm impressed that you do that. [00:04:36] Speaker B: Side story. I was a mall rat as a teenager, and as I started to learn more about James Bond, started to learn terminology, and there was a sign that said baccarat. And I was very in the mall, and I was very excited, and I went in as, oh, it's just a bunch of fancy glasses. Okay. [00:04:55] Speaker A: Exploited, you would have been ready to go. So that reminds me of a story really quick. I can't believe you were mall rat. Because we went to the mall when I went home to visit family over the holiday, and I asked my parents why we weren't allowed to just hang out at the mall like all the other teenagers do in the movies. Teenagers? Kids, tweens or whatever. They said. Because if we let you hang out at the mall unsupervised, you would get into trouble. It's just a question of when and how much. [00:05:22] Speaker B: I never got into trouble. [00:05:23] Speaker A: You never got caught, you mean? [00:05:25] Speaker B: No, I didn't really do. I mean, we hung around and tried on clothes that we couldn't afford, but that's about. [00:05:30] Speaker A: Oh, well, I guess your parents trusted you more than mine trusted me. [00:05:36] Speaker B: Actually, that was one of my friends. Go to things. Yeah, let's go to the mall and try on things we can't afford. Oh, that sounds so. In addition to Joseph Fine, we also have Susan Cooper, played by Melissa McCarthy, who is in his earpiece as his basically girl in the chair. [00:05:55] Speaker A: Yeah, his oracle. [00:05:57] Speaker B: What's that? Spider Man. Homecoming. Popularized the term. [00:06:02] Speaker A: Right. [00:06:02] Speaker B: And so he very much reminded me of, like, Jason Isaac in the tuxedo, or the rock and get smart. Or agent one in Johnny English, or Justin Thoreau in the spy who dumped me. There's always this character who's, like, this ideal spy who appears in the beginning and then. Well, that's much the case in the rock. But all these other ones, something happens to them. [00:06:27] Speaker A: Yeah, they usually die. I also thought of the guy. We don't even know his name. And. [00:06:33] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So Susan is helping fine with the mission. They're trying to track down a nuke. And so they're going after this arms dealer named Tihomir Boyanov. [00:06:45] Speaker A: Doesn't matter who he accidentally shoots. [00:06:48] Speaker B: He has him at gunpoint. Accidentally shoots when he sneezes because of allergies. [00:06:52] Speaker A: Our first really good joke of the movie. I thought it was a pretty good laugh. [00:06:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Now fine has to escape, and so he does. So with Susan's help. [00:07:03] Speaker A: I was very amused that in a mission where the fate of the world is literally at stake, it's just one person in a cubicle. And everyone else is just kind of doing their own thing. Right. There's a joke where they're dealing with mice, but even if they were bats, right, but even if they weren't, they were, like, talking about the coffee break while she's on the line. So I thought that was funny. [00:07:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:28] Speaker A: He gets home and we see it's pretty clear she's in love with him. And he doesn't treat her very well. He asked her to do all of his chores, takes her out to dinner. [00:07:39] Speaker B: And gives her a gift. And it looks like it's going to be something real fancy, but it's like a plastic necklace of like a cupcake with an omnom face on it on an adjustable nylon string with a toggle. [00:07:52] Speaker A: So I have a note here and I want to know what you feel about this. [00:07:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:55] Speaker A: Is this like an abusive relationship? [00:07:58] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:08:01] Speaker A: What he's doing. [00:08:02] Speaker B: Yeah, he definitely does. [00:08:03] Speaker A: Yeah. So I thought that the necklace was going to have a cracking device on it and then it was going to come back later because I partially remembered. I was like, I think he's a bad guy if he turns out to. [00:08:14] Speaker B: Be a bad guy. Well, we'll see. Right, so we have another mission briefing at Langley. We have the appearance of the. So, you know, take a shot for every time we see the seal. [00:08:26] Speaker A: It wouldn't be a spy movie without it. [00:08:29] Speaker B: And since fine killed Boyanov, they now have to track down his daughter Reina, who's played by Rose Byrne, who's been in touch with the terrorist middleman named Sergio Deluca. Where do you remember Rose Byrne from? [00:08:44] Speaker A: Rose Byrne? I only recognize her name. What did I know her from? [00:08:47] Speaker B: Well, she's in one movie that we have covered, X Men first class. [00:08:51] Speaker A: Oh, is she Emma Frost? Oh, no, she's the CIA person. Right? [00:08:56] Speaker B: She is. She's Moira McTaggart. [00:08:58] Speaker A: Yeah. I appreciate, though, that they continued the suitcase nuke story from the beginning. I thought it was going to be. [00:09:06] Speaker B: I wasn't done on Rose Byrne. [00:09:08] Speaker A: Oh, sorry, more about Rose Byrne. Yes. [00:09:10] Speaker B: She also plays one of Senator Amidala's handmaidens in Attack of the clones. She's the one who is posing as the queen when her ship gets blown up in the beginning of episode two. [00:09:24] Speaker A: Wow. Very memorable role. Yeah, I'm going to have to go look that up. [00:09:29] Speaker B: I just find it hilarious that how much all of the handmaidens have gone on to different things. Like, one is Kira Knightley, one is Sophia Coppola, and then one is. Yeah, that's cool. Yes, we're continuing with the suitcase nuke. So fine goes to infiltrate Raina's house, but finds, well, first of, when he goes in, his camera is getting all buggy, so it's like being weird. So Susan can't exactly track him correctly and then. [00:09:59] Speaker A: Fine. I'm sorry. [00:10:00] Speaker B: Yes. [00:10:00] Speaker A: I want to jump in. We skipped the scene with Morena Baccarin. [00:10:03] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot about that. [00:10:05] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. We're trying to move it along, which I appreciate, but I did want to say it's why I put in the haiku women tearing down. [00:10:11] Speaker B: Oh. [00:10:12] Speaker A: Because it's a theme in the movie. It isn't just bad guys who do it. Our heroes do it, too. Just something to remember. [00:10:19] Speaker B: Karen. [00:10:20] Speaker A: I don't remember Karen Walker. [00:10:21] Speaker B: Walker? Yeah, she's. She's another spy. Much better. Or much more successful. [00:10:27] Speaker A: Yeah, she's better at literally everything. She's like the James Bond. [00:10:31] Speaker B: The female James Bond. I also enjoy that they say that, oh, she doesn't even know our names or anything like that. Or know who we are. And then Karen comes up to them and is like, oh, hi, Susan. Hi, Nancy. [00:10:45] Speaker A: Yeah, because she's perfect. She's so perfect, you can't even hate her because she's nice. [00:10:51] Speaker B: Fine. Goes to infiltrate Reyna's house. His camera's being all buggy, so Susan can't quite get a read on him. And he gets captured and killed by Reina, who also reveals that she knows the names of all other active CIA agents. She starts listing them off. Back at Langley, Susan's boss, Elaine Crocker, played by. What's her name? [00:11:13] Speaker A: I recognize her. She's very memorable name. [00:11:17] Speaker B: She's from the west wing. [00:11:19] Speaker A: Did you already mention Janey? [00:11:22] Speaker B: Oh, no. Yeah, that's what I was about to talk about. So Alison Janey. Yeah, that's she. Is this the first time we've actually seen sort of actual ceremony of like them putting up a snother star on the memorial wall? [00:11:35] Speaker A: I feel like there's no way it's the first one, but I can't remember. [00:11:38] Speaker B: I know that's been mentioned a lot, but I don't remember any other ceremony, so. Yeah, so we actually get to see a ceremony of that. And then Crocker, Elaine's boss, also has a meeting with all of the agents and tell them that none of them can go near Reina or DeLuca since they know their identities. What does this remind you of? Pick one. Because there's multiple. [00:12:02] Speaker A: It was like Johnny English, get smart. Yeah, well, the whole movie reminded me of get smart. [00:12:08] Speaker B: Johnny English? [00:12:09] Speaker A: Yeah. As you may recall, I didn't like get smart that. Yeah. [00:12:14] Speaker B: Yes, I do. I do recall that. [00:12:19] Speaker A: I couldn't really defend my opinion. [00:12:21] Speaker B: The argument we had know you needed a motivation as to why he wanted to be an agent. [00:12:26] Speaker A: Yeah, but Coop had really good motivations. This movie. Nailed it for. [00:12:31] Speaker B: I'm just. I'm still bitter about that. But let's move on. [00:12:35] Speaker A: No need to be bitter. It's just a movie. [00:12:37] Speaker B: Agent's identities are exposed, so now they need to have someone whose identity is not known. And, hey, Susan is technically classified as an agent, so they're going to send her out into the field, but for recon only. Rick Ford. Jason Statham is furious at that. You may even say he's fast and furious. [00:12:55] Speaker A: No. [00:12:56] Speaker B: And he decides he's going to go rogue. Also, he had to make some jokes about the face off machine, which I thought were hilarious. [00:13:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I thought that was good that she leaned into it. She messed with him a little bit as well. Alison. Jeannie did. [00:13:13] Speaker B: I'll be honest, I think that he is one of the best parts of this movie. Jason Statham, we can talk about it. [00:13:20] Speaker A: I remembered when we saw it in the theater, everyone thought he was the best part. I did at the time as well. [00:13:26] Speaker B: I don't think we need a whole movie of him acting like. And the way he's used here is excellent. [00:13:32] Speaker A: Yeah, he's much better as a Captain Jack Sparrow type. [00:13:35] Speaker B: So Alice and Janie or Crocker meets with Susan separately, apparently. We find out that fine was actually Susan's mentor when she was in training, and he sniped her for office work because she was the best, basically. [00:13:51] Speaker A: I thought this was very interesting. Beginning of an abusive relationship, you might say. But it wasn't, like, totally malicious. Right. [00:13:59] Speaker B: I mean, it wasn't malicious, but it was to serve his own needs rather than her career. [00:14:04] Speaker A: It was very self interested. That's true. [00:14:07] Speaker B: I feel like women in the workforce now can understand that. [00:14:12] Speaker A: Yeah, you kept a good woman down. He totally did. And I thought this was going to come back, by the way, which I guess it sort of did, but I thought it would be more explicit. [00:14:21] Speaker B: Okay, so we also have this video of Susan training at the farm where she goes into a training scenario and takes out a bunch of targets, and then her gun jams. So she basically just rips the wood target off and starts beating the crap out of it and then beats the crap out of guys who come in who are trying to stop her. [00:14:43] Speaker A: You think she has some rage issues? [00:14:45] Speaker B: Maybe a little. [00:14:46] Speaker A: It's great character, really. I would have liked. And when she fights later in the movie, she doesn't do that incredible Hulk thing. I thought she would. [00:14:58] Speaker B: She actually uses more tactical, is actually more strategic in how know uses her kicks and everything. And actually, I was, like, impressed. But we'll get to those scenes when we get to them. Susan is given a new identity as basically a cat lady. [00:15:14] Speaker A: But this is also great. It was great when we saw in 2015. It was still great when we saw it this time. [00:15:20] Speaker B: She has gadgets that sort of match the identity, including, like, hemorrhoid wipes, which have, what, chloroform on them. [00:15:27] Speaker A: The gadgets have a stupid cover, but they're actually useful. Like the whistle dart. That's good. [00:15:35] Speaker B: The stool softener. That is anti poison. [00:15:39] Speaker A: Yeah. That guy, the armor guy was great. [00:15:44] Speaker B: He's really funny. I enjoyed when she said, did I do something to hurt you? At some point? [00:15:49] Speaker A: Just figured it was hazing for all the new. It always remind me of men in black, where he gets the noisy cricket. [00:15:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Her friend Nancy, who is chummy from call the midwife. All those call the midwife fans out there. If you're wondering why Chummy didn't appear from, like, season three on, it's because she made this movie and then went and do other things. [00:16:08] Speaker A: Oh, good for. [00:16:09] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. But I missed her on that show. Anyways, so Nancy is acting as know girl in the chair now. [00:16:17] Speaker A: So this isn't one of my. I have a lot of favorite quotes, so I'm just going to say one here. I like when she says I look like someone's homophobic aunt because she really does. [00:16:27] Speaker B: So Susan is sent to Paris in like, a really shady hotel. I enjoyed how she goes and know picked up in the cab and they bring her to all the nice parts you see of Paris. And then it gets increasingly shadier as they go. [00:16:44] Speaker A: This reminds me of Munich, where they send it to the cheap hotels to save some money. [00:16:48] Speaker B: Yeah. But when she finally gets into her really gross looking hotel, she's surprised because Ford is there and he starts telling these increasingly ridiculous stories that I will not tell because they are most of my quotes. [00:16:59] Speaker A: I guess you liked it then. Yes. So I didn't care for it as think. Hold on. I think if we were in a theater full of people that were laughing at it over and over again, I would find it funnier. So, as you may recall, Ghostbusters answered the call. A lot of it was improv. [00:17:17] Speaker B: Okay. [00:17:18] Speaker A: I think that's what was going. [00:17:19] Speaker B: He's definitely improvting here. Yes. [00:17:22] Speaker A: Right. So you can tell. I just feel like it goes on too long. And also after ten years of Chuck Norris jokes, that's just what it reminded me of, Chuck Norris jokes. [00:17:30] Speaker B: Again, also, Chuck Norris jokes have been going on for like, 20 years. [00:17:34] Speaker A: There you go. That only proves my point better. [00:17:37] Speaker B: But I feel like this plays more into his action roles and just him being an over to the top version of himself, which I loved. [00:17:46] Speaker A: Yeah, that's good. Have you seen the movie demolition man, by the way? [00:17:49] Speaker B: Oh, yes, of course. [00:17:50] Speaker A: So that's stallone making fun of his own Persona as action hero, too. [00:17:55] Speaker B: Yeah. So Susan is supposed to go to DeLuca's office, surveil it, but she finds that it has burned down mysteriously. It's definitely arson. And she talks to a guy who has like a cart outside there. And he's like, oh, no, it went up real quick. And also he took a photo of it. And in the photo, there's actually a guy in there who's looking pretty suspicious. So she sends the photo to Nancy to identify that guy Ford. [00:18:26] Speaker A: Something totally ridiculous, by the way, that a super spy would burn something down and then just stand there looking at it. [00:18:34] Speaker B: He's not a super spy. He's just a goon that got hired to do a job. Necessarily the sharpest tool in the shed. They just need someone to burn a building. [00:18:41] Speaker A: Yeah. That being said, the script for this movie is pretty tight considering that it's a comedy. Like, it makes sense that they are tipped off because Ford is going rogue. And I also appreciated how for once, going rogue actually makes their job harder as opposed to all the mission impossible movies where they go rogue and then they still manage to win anyway. [00:19:01] Speaker B: So Ford appears again and blames her for the burning building and then leaves. Susan sees the guy from the fire as she's watching Ford leave, follows him, sees that he's following Ford. Guy switches backpacks with him. And Susan tries to warn Ford. She finds her way to an outdoor concert where she gets on stage and tries to warn him. Did you enjoy the auto tune joke? Because I thought. I did think that was funny. [00:19:26] Speaker A: Yeah, I liked it. It integrates well with the scene, of course. It's like, why even bother with covers? She's just going to run around yelling, Ford. Ford. What's the name? Rick Ford. Rick Ford. Over and over again. It was exciting. [00:19:39] Speaker B: It was funny. [00:19:40] Speaker A: It worked pretty well. [00:19:41] Speaker B: But she manages to get to another mic, which doesn't auto tuners, and tells Ford that they switch the backpacks. Ford finds a bomb in the backpack. He throws it into the sane just in time as it explodes in the water. And everyone runs away. [00:19:54] Speaker A: Turns out he did have enough time to get rid of that bomb. [00:19:58] Speaker B: Just enough. Right? Susan spots the man from the fire again in the crowd and runs after him. They go into a building. They fight. This is actually. I like know she sort of stumbles at first, but managed to actually incapacitate him. [00:20:13] Speaker A: I like the Melissa McCarthy action hero. I would watch more of that where. [00:20:17] Speaker B: She goes for the ankle and kicks his ankle in. Oh, that definitely looks like it hurt. Managed to incapacitate him, accidentally knocks him off of a very tall ledge, and then vomits on him. [00:20:33] Speaker A: Yeah, this is. [00:20:34] Speaker B: Drops the knife she had stabbed him with initially. So it stabs him again. [00:20:40] Speaker A: This is the gross out humor. [00:20:42] Speaker B: Part of it was a lot of more gross out humor than I remembered. [00:20:46] Speaker A: But not too much. [00:20:51] Speaker B: I know the vomit was a little excessive. [00:20:53] Speaker A: That was bad. A couple of things. First of all, I've had to mention this at the beginning, but I'm a Melissa McCarthy. Stan, I don't know if I've told you this already. [00:21:00] Speaker B: No, you have not. [00:21:00] Speaker A: Freaking amazing. She's like Tom Hanks. She did comedy. She did drama. She can do anything despite not having, like, movie star good looks, which I think she would agree with me about. So I am a fan. I'm totally irrational about it. Same with Jackie Chan. Same with Damien Lewis. Some of these other guys. Dominic Cooper. Yeah. [00:21:20] Speaker B: So I did not know that. All right, cool. [00:21:22] Speaker A: So that absolutely helps me like this movie more. [00:21:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Susan reports back to Nancy and Crocker, shows them the photos that are on the camera. There's a few that are of where DeLuca is. And then there's a bunch of dick pics. [00:21:38] Speaker A: Yeah, that was totally unnecessary. The other thing I wanted to ask you about is, do you feel like this movie needed to be rated r? [00:21:45] Speaker B: It could have been PG 13. [00:21:48] Speaker A: I felt like it would have worked really well if they had had it be PG 13. [00:21:52] Speaker B: I think they wanted to go for it. For the r. Well, they give them. [00:21:57] Speaker A: Space to riff and do the improv where they can. [00:21:59] Speaker B: Also, there are way too many f words for a PG 13. You get, like, one. [00:22:04] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know. If they had toned down the jokes, would it have been the same? [00:22:08] Speaker B: No, I don't think so. Yeah, there is, like, a ton of them, and it's very explicit. I enjoyed how back in headquarters is Ford, or as they're seeing all these images projected, Ford's handler, who's, like, basically does nothing because Ford just keeps going rogue. She's like, sees it. Like, Ford's is bigger. [00:22:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:31] Speaker B: But more importantly, there's a video of Reina and DeLuca talking about Ronaldo, and it turns out Ronaldo is a car, a Rolls Royce Wraith, which has a tracking system in it. [00:22:43] Speaker A: So you were able to follow the story of this were you? I wasn't really putting that much brain power into following it, to be honest. [00:22:49] Speaker B: All right, so they track it and find out that it's in Rome. Susan wants to go follow the car. Crocker is hesitant, but tells her to pull up the carpet in the corner. And there's a new identity for her. It's another cat lady. And she complains about her cover and know, fine, you have to be like a business person or at one time even a race car driver. But she just keeps getting cat ladies. [00:23:14] Speaker A: It's smart. I like. [00:23:16] Speaker B: Yeah. So in Rome, Susan meets with a local agent, Aldo, who's a giant on to. [00:23:25] Speaker A: This is too much. This is way too much. Do you agree? It's like, enough already. [00:23:29] Speaker B: It was spaced out. [00:23:32] Speaker A: I also like that it makes fun of Italians because we don't really see that that often. They get all kind of light. You think so? [00:23:40] Speaker B: I mean, it depends on the era, really. [00:23:42] Speaker A: That's true. [00:23:44] Speaker B: If you watch the untouchables. Well, there's a lot of Irish and a lot of making fun of irish and making fun of Italians in that one. [00:23:52] Speaker A: Well, it's like the 70s through. The Italians are always depicted as mobsters. [00:23:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:57] Speaker A: So I guess this is a step up. Is it, though? Maybe a small one? [00:24:02] Speaker B: No, it's not at all, really. I don't know. Mobsters really is cool. This guy is just gross. [00:24:08] Speaker A: Right? That's true. [00:24:10] Speaker B: He is also a ridiculous driver and drives her through a bunch of back alleys trying to go to where Deluca is. So they see Deluca going into the casino. Nancy is in Susan's ear, telling her to surveil from the pastry shop across the street. But Susan decides, no, she wants to go in, but she can't go in looking like cat lady. So she goes and spends a whole bunch of money. Apparently they have a clothing budget on missions, but she did a glow up. [00:24:38] Speaker A: This kind of confused me pretty. Accused me of overthinking. Wouldn't be the first time. But I was like, susan knows how to dress and look good, so why doesn't she do it most of the time? Is it because they don't pay her enough money? Probably to get nice? [00:24:53] Speaker B: I mean, we hear later on that they do not pay her well at all. So, yes, probably that she gets a glow up. She looks a lot better, obviously, than the cat lady's disguise. [00:25:06] Speaker A: Right. [00:25:07] Speaker B: And she goes into the casino, but of course, she's not on the list. But Rick Ford is in there and says that, oh, she's with me. They have another tet a tet. [00:25:19] Speaker A: Didn't write down what they said, but I said that it's really harsh, like, they're really digging into each other. [00:25:25] Speaker B: There's one quote in there that I will bring back later on. Ford says he's going to go take out Deluca, whereas Susan just wants to surveil him, since he's the only one who knows where the bomb is. So Deluca. Well, not entirely true. Reyna also knows, but they need him to find Reyna. Deluca goes into and tries to follow Deluca into a private gaming room, but she is escorted out. But before she is, she managed to see Deluca hand off a note off to someone, which is then given to Reina in the bar. [00:25:58] Speaker A: Yeah. I like when they tell her, no more exploring. [00:26:00] Speaker B: Okay. [00:26:02] Speaker A: I want to get told that at some point. [00:26:03] Speaker B: Yeah. So Susan notices someone trying to spike Reina's drink. [00:26:08] Speaker A: I immediately recognized this guy, Silicon Valley. He was also in Ghostbuster 2016. [00:26:14] Speaker B: He's in the office, right? Yeah. [00:26:17] Speaker A: Always playing a nerd, which he does here, too, actually. This is one of our Tougher roles. [00:26:23] Speaker B: Yeah, he spikes the drink. But since Reina is the only one who actually knows where the bomb is, Susan has to save her, tells her about the drink. Reina is just so condescending to her. [00:26:35] Speaker A: Yeah, Reina sucks. [00:26:37] Speaker B: I thought she's hilarious in this part. Yeah. Her goons find the guy who tried to poison her, and they make him drink the martini. [00:26:49] Speaker A: Yes. Before this, I wanted to mention probably the most problematic part of the movie. Yes. Do you write this down where Reina says to Susan, why would someone want to roof for you? [00:27:02] Speaker B: Like, the idea. [00:27:03] Speaker A: It's like, because she's, like, unattractive. Do you remember this? [00:27:06] Speaker B: Yes, I do. Do you think that's the most problematic part of this movie? [00:27:09] Speaker A: Maybe not the most. It definitely made me flashback to, like, 2015. I don't think you could say that today. [00:27:17] Speaker B: Well, she is supposed to be a terrible person, so I'm okay with it. [00:27:22] Speaker A: I know, it's just so bad. [00:27:24] Speaker B: Yeah. That is her bread and butter is that she's a terrible, terrible person, and she's hilarious. [00:27:32] Speaker A: Yeah, fair enough. [00:27:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Brushed over me, I was like, oh, yeah. I mean, I could see potentially getting offended by that, but it's just like. [00:27:40] Speaker A: Well, I didn't say I was offended, but I just don't think that's a joke you would make today. [00:27:44] Speaker B: That's all I'm saying, necessarily. Agree, but. Okay, so anyway, so Reina makes the guy drink the poison martini, and he drinks it. And his throat dissolves. [00:27:55] Speaker A: Yeah. An extremely gruesome death. I guess another reason why this movie needed to be rated r so they could do that. [00:28:00] Speaker B: Susan sees that and faints. But then when she wakes up, Reina thanks her and says she wants to take her to dinner, know fully thank her. But she's still being condescending while thanking her. [00:28:14] Speaker A: Yes. She made a new friend. Susan made a new friend. So well done. So what's this movie with my girlfriend? And she asked, why does Rena keep dunking on Susan's dress? Like, what's wrong with her dress? I said, there's nothing wrong with it. Rena's just pompous. [00:28:28] Speaker B: Yep, yep, yep. [00:28:29] Speaker A: And it's women tearing down women again. [00:28:33] Speaker B: It reads better than a man tearing down a woman. [00:28:37] Speaker A: Sure. Yeah, absolutely. [00:28:39] Speaker B: That seems less funny, whereas it seems more funny here. [00:28:45] Speaker A: Do you think a movie was trying to say something with that or. [00:28:48] Speaker B: No, I don't think so. I don't think it's deep enough. [00:28:51] Speaker A: I guess if they were trying to say something, they would have made it. [00:28:53] Speaker B: More explicit than that. Other than the very surface level of. Yeah, don't be shitty to other women. [00:29:01] Speaker A: Right. Which applies to people in. [00:29:05] Speaker B: You know, she has tell Susan to pick the wine. And Susan really does not know how to pick wine. [00:29:10] Speaker A: This is the callback to the towel joke where earlier she eats something that turns out to be a towel. This time she thinks it's food. It turns out it is actually a towel. [00:29:17] Speaker B: I like that other way around. She thinks it's towel, but it is actually food. [00:29:22] Speaker A: She thinks it's towel, but thinks it's food. Right. Yes. Thank. [00:29:25] Speaker B: She's, you know, trying to impress Reina, basically. And then Reina tells Susan the story of this poor clown woman in Bulgaria that Susan reminds her of. [00:29:34] Speaker A: Yep. [00:29:37] Speaker B: She's just so funny. [00:29:40] Speaker A: Don't mean for no reason. [00:29:43] Speaker B: She hates the idea of waste. Of Susan wasting all of her time and money in Rome because it's so tacky and boring. So she wants to bring Susan to Budapest as a thank you friend to have. Right? Yeah. So they see Ford in the casino. Reyna's goons are trying to apprehend Ford and as they're know, getting the drop on him, Susan taps on her earpiece in Morse code to shut off the power. Which was real clever. Like, if you can't talk and you. [00:30:13] Speaker A: Can'T be too obvious because then they'll know it's you. [00:30:16] Speaker B: They end up shutting down power in. Most of, you know, with the surprise of the blackout, managed to take out the goons. And Susan takes the opportunity to knock over Reina. [00:30:27] Speaker A: Yeah, just to be, you know, because. [00:30:30] Speaker B: She, as far as she knows, killed her best friend. Well, not best friend, but the guy she's in love with. [00:30:38] Speaker A: Yeah, right. It's not just to get back at her. [00:30:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:41] Speaker A: Take advantage of the opportunity. [00:30:43] Speaker B: So they're on Reina's private plane to Budapest. She keeps insulting Susan's clothes and then says, know, Susan reminds her mother, shows her photo, and it's a very ugly looking woman. [00:30:56] Speaker A: Yeah, looks like Charlie's mom from it's always sunny. [00:31:01] Speaker B: And. But apparently her mother was the only person that Reina could really trust, which is know, a good sign for know if she reminds Reina of someone that she can trust. [00:31:14] Speaker A: Right. [00:31:15] Speaker B: Drinks some champagne, which is, you know, goes for her stool softener, anti poison pill, but passes out before she can actually take it. Apparently Reina drugged her, so she go through all her things, but it's by. [00:31:29] Speaker A: Stuff, so she doesn't figure it out. And most of her devices, she ends up using kind of like a James Bond movie, but not quite all of them. Most of them come back. Yeah. [00:31:40] Speaker B: But as she's waking up, the flight attendant comes in and shoots Reina's bodyguard. [00:31:49] Speaker A: He's a traitor to Reina. [00:31:51] Speaker B: And then I like how the pilots come out and say, who are also traitors but were trying to kill him because they wanted to get the money because everyone just hates Reina. Can't even remember the name of the flight attendant. Keeps calling him Colin. Is it? Colin quit eight months ago. I'm Frederick. [00:32:16] Speaker A: It's an older joke, but it checks out. It also makes sense. The script is tight. It makes sense then that she would take Susan on as a bodyguard because her cover later or her story, I guess I should say, because it makes sense of all these people keep betraying her. She needs somebody. [00:32:32] Speaker B: And also, Frederick just shot her bodyguard. [00:32:35] Speaker A: Yeah, that too. She's a new. [00:32:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:37] Speaker A: So I take it this plane fight reminded you of. [00:32:41] Speaker B: Eh, not really. [00:32:43] Speaker A: It's a fight on a private plane. [00:32:45] Speaker B: Yeah, but it's not enough. No, because you don't have a bad guy going out the window with the explosive decompression. What it reminded me more of, actually, is night and day, the fight on that plane, because they also have, like, the pilots end up shooting each other and then the main character has to take control of the plane. [00:33:06] Speaker A: Yeah, good point. Good point. [00:33:08] Speaker B: All the pilots and basically everyone besides Susan and Frederick, Susan and Reina end up dead. Susan gets control of the plane, levels it out. Reina gets trapped under, like, two of the dead. [00:33:23] Speaker A: Like, what's she going to do now? Her cover is clearly blown. She's not a cat lady. [00:33:27] Speaker B: So she comes up with a new cover, as you said, that she's actually a private bodyguard that Reina's father had hired. [00:33:33] Speaker A: An action woman, if you. [00:33:34] Speaker B: Yeah. And they arrive in Budapest, there's going to be a meet that night with a potential buyer. Reyna doesn't know where yet. They also meet Anton, who's another member of Reina's security team. [00:33:45] Speaker A: Again, it's just constant improv insults that go on a little too long in my home. [00:33:51] Speaker B: I think it was perfect. Susan finally gets to her room and puts in her earpiece, but then also immediately realizes that there's cameras in every one of the rooms. So she leaves the hotel. [00:34:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I thought she was going to get caught because of that. As soon as you see her on camera holding her hand to her ear, I thought someone was going to see it and she's going to get blown and then blah, blah, blah. [00:34:14] Speaker B: But she realizes as soon as she sees it, so she stops it. And she uses the phone as a cover, which I enjoyed, and calls Nancy. And it's revealed that Nancy is actually also in Budapest, like, right around the corner. [00:34:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Does he ever explain why? I think it's because they couldn't reach her. [00:34:31] Speaker B: They couldn't reach her. And so Crocker wanted to know where she was. So they figured since she also has never been out in the field, her cover was probably safe. [00:34:39] Speaker A: I like the idea of, it's like they just go down the list of inexperienced people as they go missing. [00:34:45] Speaker B: Reina and Anton see Susan with Nancy. They come up with another cover as an associate of Susan's. And of course, at this point, Susan is using Nancy's spy name, which was, oh, I don't remember what it was like, angel Valentine or Amber Valentine. And so obviously, Nancy can't use that as her spy code name, so she uses Susan's real name as her. [00:35:09] Speaker A: That was another really good joke. [00:35:10] Speaker B: I thought it was a good joke. But in the midst of all of this, there's a drive by shooter who kills. Like, I didn't realize until I was like, wait, what happened to Anton? Oh, he's dead in that scene. Yeah. [00:35:23] Speaker A: There might be the taxi driver dying and the spy who dumped. [00:35:30] Speaker B: Like, you know, that was just the sort of, all right, he's shot, and then that's the end of it. The taxi driver and spy who dumped me, they have to keep driving over his dead body and keep making jokes about it. It's not as brutal as that. [00:35:44] Speaker A: That was very. Yes, I agree. [00:35:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:47] Speaker A: We also get what they call a fatty fall down joke. I've never heard trailers too. Yeah. Where Melissa or Susan gets into a moped and it just topples. [00:35:58] Speaker B: A moped with a roof on it. [00:36:00] Speaker A: Hey, it makes sense to know. What if it rains? [00:36:04] Speaker B: Yeah. Anyways, but she gets on a different scooter. They have a chase at one point, has to jump over some construction and does it. Makes a real cool jump and then lands in wet cement. But that's not the end of it. Actually manages to get out of the wet cement. [00:36:20] Speaker A: Yeah, it goes over, but it's not. [00:36:23] Speaker B: She's sort of at a standoff with the driver in the car, and the driver tries to run her down. She shoots out the tires, revealed that the shooter is actually Karen Miranda Beckerin. [00:36:35] Speaker A: Yeah, this is very quick. She's alive for probably less than 30 seconds. [00:36:40] Speaker B: Yeah. And it looks like Karen's right about to kill her when she's taken out by a sniper. [00:36:46] Speaker A: And I thought they wouldn't explain this, but then they did. [00:36:48] Speaker B: Did they? [00:36:49] Speaker A: Well done. Yes. See? Okay. [00:36:54] Speaker B: Do we see a flashback later on? [00:36:56] Speaker A: It's just like a throwaway line. Bradley says, I'm the one who shot her. That's how you know you can trust me. [00:37:01] Speaker B: Oh, I forgot about that. Okay. [00:37:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:03] Speaker B: He's a triple agent, and Reina is in a balcony above them, pours water over their heads, and now they're panicked because what did she hear? [00:37:11] Speaker A: Yeah, and she's really mad. And she has a gun. [00:37:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:15] Speaker A: Not a great combination. [00:37:17] Speaker B: No. So Susan and Nancy are basically all that's left of Reina's security. So she tasks them with finding more security for her. And the only person that headquarters can send is Aldo. [00:37:28] Speaker A: I did like the joke that when he comes back, they're like, oh, no, not him. But it also makes sense. They don't have that many people they need. [00:37:37] Speaker B: Yep. They're at a party. Know the meet with the buyer, Nancy is scanning the crowd. Susan. And, you know, guarding Reyna. [00:37:46] Speaker A: I like the joke that she has Darth Vader gloves. [00:37:52] Speaker B: Also, there's all these jokes about Reina's hair, which I thought was hilarious. [00:37:56] Speaker A: Hey, she deserves that. You're going to make fun of someone's know, get something about your hair. Right. [00:38:02] Speaker B: Like, I kind of just want to see behind the scenes stuff of this. Just like, how many times they cracked. [00:38:08] Speaker A: Like, improv jokes were left on the ground. [00:38:11] Speaker B: Susan sees that the buyer is the woman who switched the backpacks on Ford and Rome. Susan also sees that Ford is in disguise on the dance floor with, like, a wig and a mustache. And it looks hilarious. [00:38:23] Speaker A: I thought it was a pretty good disguise. [00:38:25] Speaker B: I mean, I didn't realize it was him at first, but once you do, it's like, oh, that looks so hilarious. [00:38:30] Speaker A: I like that he has a wig with the little patch of hair. He's balding. You don't normally see that. Usually wigs go all the way or nothing. [00:38:40] Speaker B: So they're basically to have, like, a. [00:38:43] Speaker A: Very. [00:38:45] Speaker B: Low key fight on the dance floor. They fall. [00:38:49] Speaker A: I can't believe you haven't mentioned the fit. Is it fitty? The fitty set? [00:38:53] Speaker B: Cam, I was about to get to that. That's right after they fall over and they're like, wait, no, we need to blend. And they're dancing as they get up. Then 50 cent shows up. He's performing at the party. [00:39:06] Speaker A: Oh, I mixed up the order of operations there. So this celebrity cameo feels so much like. It's, like, from the 90s. That's when they would do that. [00:39:14] Speaker B: Early 2000s, early two. [00:39:16] Speaker A: Well, even so, the movie came out in 2015, so it feels so. [00:39:19] Speaker B: It's a very dated but also just still works. [00:39:22] Speaker A: This is great. Hey, Christian, do you know that 50 cent has been shot nine times? [00:39:26] Speaker B: Yes, I did know that. [00:39:28] Speaker A: Just checking. I was going to put that in spy factor versus fiction. [00:39:31] Speaker B: It's supposed to create a diversion. So she goes and tackles 50 cent on stage also. [00:39:37] Speaker A: Great. I love that. [00:39:39] Speaker B: And then Ford shows up. And in that chaos, the buyer gets the drop on Susan. Nancy causes another diversion, know, throwing a bunch of switches on the soundboard. In that confusion, manages to escape. Susan goes to chase after them. They have a fight in the kitchen, which is a pretty good fight. [00:39:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Have you seen the raid, too? [00:39:59] Speaker B: I have not, no. [00:40:00] Speaker A: Another great kitchen fight in that. That's a martial arts movie, so it makes sense. [00:40:03] Speaker B: Yeah, but there's a lot of knife action and using frying pans to combat knives. [00:40:09] Speaker A: Very gratuitous part where she pulls a knife out of her own hand. [00:40:13] Speaker B: Yeah. She just stabs the knife right through her hand and she pulls it out. [00:40:18] Speaker A: Yeah. It's like, when are you an orcai? [00:40:22] Speaker B: At that point, she thinks she has the buyer under control and even says, you're under arrest by Susan Cooper of the CIA. You really shouldn't even say that. [00:40:31] Speaker A: Even if you think know you've got cover here. Come. [00:40:36] Speaker B: Yeah, but she doesn't actually have her under control. Because there's a knife, like, right next to her hand. She's about to get stabbed, but then a knife comes out of nowhere and is thrown at the buyer. And Reina walks in with a still alive. His name? Joseph. Joseph Fine. Bradley fine. [00:40:52] Speaker A: Bradley Fine. [00:40:54] Speaker B: Who's Joseph Fine? Oh, that's like. [00:40:57] Speaker A: Is he an actor? [00:40:59] Speaker B: Yes. It's like, ray fine's, like, nephew, maybe. I don't. Yeah, so he's still alive. He's the one who threw the knife. [00:41:10] Speaker A: And he's a bad guy, apparently. [00:41:12] Speaker B: Yeah. Susan gets knocked unconscious, and I was like, oh, great. [00:41:16] Speaker A: Does every spy movie need to have a torture scene? They're so tedious. Get tortured. They escape. It takes forever. At this point, I was kind of ready for the movie to be old. [00:41:27] Speaker B: Kiss kiss bang bang. [00:41:29] Speaker A: Yeah. But I remember very little of it. [00:41:31] Speaker B: Oh, you should watch it again, because there's actually. So there's a sidebar again. But the whole thing sort of models after, like, an old detective story, and they call it out in the thing because they're like, characters are fans of the books, and they always say, oh, yeah, there's a scene where he always gets tortured and gets away and always shoots nine guys. It's very specific. He always shoots nine guys when he gets away. And so you saying that made me think of that when they hang a lampshade on it. [00:41:58] Speaker A: Oh, nice. [00:41:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Also, just great movie. Anyways. But let's get back to spot. [00:42:02] Speaker A: Then it turned out to be wrong, because Susan doesn't, in fact, get tortured. [00:42:05] Speaker B: Yeah, well, yeah. So she wakes up in front of Reina and fine, and we find out Raina and fine are sleeping together. Also, Reina doesn't know that fine is the one who killed her father. He claims it was another agent. [00:42:17] Speaker A: Yeah, but Reina's totally got. She, like, knows she's a CIA, that she knows she's in love with Bradley fine. She's, like, totally in her head and. [00:42:27] Speaker B: Also fakes out her with an unloaded gun and fires it at her and makes her think she's going to kill her, but doesn't. And even says, like, you think I'd waste a bullet on you? [00:42:41] Speaker A: Yeah, that's totally over the top. Totally over the top. Yeah. [00:42:44] Speaker B: But fitting with her, because she is very much over the top. [00:42:47] Speaker A: That's right. [00:42:48] Speaker B: So she gets instead put in a cell with Aldo. And Susan is depressed about failing the mission and about fine being a traitor. [00:42:57] Speaker A: See, she never had confidence in herself. She never believed in herself. It's the character stuff. [00:43:04] Speaker B: So fine comes to see Susan says that this was her only. Sorry. His only way in is to fake his death and gain Reyna's trust. And said that Karen's the one who told Reyna all of the agent names. And is this where he says that he's the one who killed Karen? That's how we get dressed. [00:43:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, do I have it written down? [00:43:24] Speaker B: I don't know. Do you? [00:43:25] Speaker A: I don't think so. Yeah. [00:43:28] Speaker B: But Susan's still skeptical and, like, she headbutts him. [00:43:32] Speaker A: Right. [00:43:33] Speaker B: But he tells them that they're going to go to Deluca's villa and to find wherever the bomb is. But you can just stay put here. So Aldo compliments Susan, says she's a good agent, among other things. Well, yeah, we won't get into that. Well, he's very nice and actually good. And then, of course, is gross. [00:43:54] Speaker A: Of course. He's one character. He's going to go with it. [00:43:58] Speaker B: Yeah. So Susan has Aldo untie her, gets into very awkward positions. [00:44:08] Speaker A: Yes, very amusing. But they escape. [00:44:10] Speaker B: They escape, knock out or take out the guards. And Susan goes off to the villa, and she's about to hotwire. Was that a trabant? It almost looked like trabant, but it was know really crappy european car. Yeah. But instead she sees the very nice know just across the way and decides to take that instead. So she drives it to the villa. It approaches and gets all the guards attention. [00:44:39] Speaker A: Yeah. For such a cool car, it doesn't have a very long life. [00:44:43] Speaker B: But it was all a distraction so that Susan could get into the villa. [00:44:47] Speaker A: That's right. [00:44:48] Speaker B: So Reyna is meeting with Deluca. DeLuca is skeptical about fine because he's. [00:44:54] Speaker A: Hard to follow all the different alliances and backstabbings. [00:44:58] Speaker B: So Deluca wants to call off the deal, but Reina refuses, at which point Susan barges in and she's trying to throw them off balance by saying that she knows everything about the buyer because she's been studying him for how many years? I don't know if that's true or not. [00:45:14] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't think so. But she's willing to sell it all out for her love, Bradley fine. [00:45:19] Speaker B: Basically, she's trying to keep fine alive because she's in love with him. And he's like. But this idiot doesn't even realize that. And finally, the buyer of the nukev. Yeah. [00:45:34] Speaker A: Shows up talking about russian stereotypes here. [00:45:37] Speaker B: DeLuca says that once payment is made, they'll be taken to the hiding spot for the nuke. And they pay 100 million in euros in diamonds. [00:45:46] Speaker A: It's pretty great. [00:45:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Reina brings them all to the garage where Ronaldo, the car from earlier, is there, opens the trunk, and apparently there's a secret len line compartment where the nuke has been kept. And I enjoyed the line from Deluca's. Like, I wish you told me, Reina, because I've been putting my gym clothes on top of that for a week now. [00:46:08] Speaker A: Yeah, it's nice that the bad guys got the funny lines, too. [00:46:12] Speaker B: So as soon as they take the nuke out of the trunk, Deluca's men get the drop on Dudadev and kill him. [00:46:20] Speaker A: Yeah, Chris, your sudden but inevitable betrayal. [00:46:24] Speaker B: And shoots Dudadev in the head. [00:46:26] Speaker A: There's a part that doesn't really make any sense, where Ford shows up and then immediately falls on his face and knocks himself out. [00:46:32] Speaker B: It's there for a joke, and I liked it. [00:46:34] Speaker A: I know this is me overthinking again. I'm like, if he can't even go through a door, how did he stay alive with all these missions? Unless all those stories he told about what a badass he is are lies, in which case, what do you think? I thought it was true. I mean, the movie is heightened reality. [00:46:50] Speaker B: I thought that he managed to disguise himself as Barack Obama in front of Congress. [00:46:56] Speaker A: It's a fictional movie. Anything's possible. No, I don't think he's a face off machine. [00:47:04] Speaker B: Face off? No, it's all bs. [00:47:09] Speaker A: I guess so. [00:47:10] Speaker B: Yeah, but it's funny bs. Yeah. But apparently DeLuca has a buyer who'll pay €500 million for the bomb as opposed to just that 100 million. He doesn't get the 100 million. Reina gets 100 million. He only gets a finder's fee. So instead he'll make 500 million and also get the 100 million in euros. So really 600 and the nuke. So he gets everything. But of course, this means he has to kill Reina, too. And this is where. Yeah, Ford pops in and is about to go on a rampage, but then snags his jacket on the door handle and gets knocked out. [00:47:50] Speaker A: Yeah. So Reyna gets saved by Susan yet again. How many times is this? Like four? [00:47:55] Speaker B: Yeah, something like that. She takes out all the goons. DeLuca shoots fine in the arm. DeLuca starts choking Susan, and there's a gun near Reyna, and Susan is, like, shouting at her to push it towards her, and she barely moves. It's like, use your little bird arms and get it over here. [00:48:13] Speaker A: I thought it was a really good joke. I did not see it coming. [00:48:19] Speaker B: And Nina manages to use it to hit him over the head and get out of his grip. And Deluca has escaped and has the bomb on the chopper outside. [00:48:29] Speaker A: As soon as I saw the chopper, I was like, someone's going to hang off of it. [00:48:31] Speaker B: Yeah. Of. Yeah. Susan and Ford get onto a strut. Well, Susan gets onto a strut, and Ford is hanging on to Susan. There's a lot of grouping. And, of course. And Ford manages to slip off while Susan. [00:48:49] Speaker A: What I appreciated about this movie is that there's jokes all the way through. Like, I think we've talked about. Comedy is not my favorite movie genre, because a lot of times, it stops being funny about halfway through because they need to actually have a story, or. [00:49:01] Speaker B: You get the supreme mood whiplash of, like, spy who dumped me. We're like, oh, it's funny. And then, like, oh, horrible deaths. [00:49:13] Speaker A: This one manages to avoid that, except for that one gratuitous death. [00:49:17] Speaker B: There's other tone. Doesn't seem as a drastic mood shift. [00:49:25] Speaker A: Yeah, totally. [00:49:26] Speaker B: So, Susan manages to hang on, gets in the chopper, throws the diamonds and the nuke out of the door and into the water. [00:49:34] Speaker A: Nice moment. Yeah. [00:49:35] Speaker B: DeLuca is about to shoot Susan, but he gets sniped by Nancy. Still alive, though. [00:49:42] Speaker A: Yeah. Which is a little absurd. My note here is also, wow. If only he hadn't taken that second to, say, die before he shot Susan. [00:49:50] Speaker B: Also, Aldo is piloting the other helicopter where Nancy is. You know, Nancy is not a trained sniper, so it makes sense that. Know couldn't exactly go for the headshot. [00:50:02] Speaker A: It really makes no sense that she could hit him at all. She's shooting from one chopper to the other. And I like how these five movies, it's like everyone can just do everything. Susan hasn't been in the field in ten years, and she can still land an airplane. [00:50:16] Speaker B: Well, that one I'll give her, because she's the person in the chair. So there's no doubt that at some point, fine had to land a plane, so she had to walk him through it. And so she remembers that knowledge. Right. Maybe Nancy had to walk whoever her agent in the field is through, like shooting a sniper rifle. [00:50:36] Speaker A: It's a little bit more plausible. Okay. [00:50:39] Speaker B: Deluca, you know. Yeah, still alive, tries to grab for Susan and instead grabs the cake necklace. [00:50:45] Speaker A: She does come back, but not the way that I was. [00:50:48] Speaker B: She, you know, takes off or uses the adjustable toggle to take it off, and he falls out of the chopper. [00:50:54] Speaker A: Yeah. It reminded me of the Hans Gruber death. It's almost kind of filmed in a similar way. Not almost kind of. It is filmed in a similar way. The part where you see him falling. [00:51:04] Speaker B: Susan stabilizes the chopper. We find out that the chopper that Nancy's in belongs to 50 cent. He's in the chopper, too. Apparently she had to deputize him to get him to give him the chopper. [00:51:16] Speaker A: This is great. [00:51:17] Speaker B: And the CIA come to clean up. We see Reina is arrested. More jokes about her hair. [00:51:24] Speaker A: Aldo is revealed to be Albert from mi six. Or is he? [00:51:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:28] Speaker A: What do you think? [00:51:28] Speaker B: Apparently he got two in character. And, yeah, I can't tell if he's joking. [00:51:33] Speaker A: I can't tell whether he's actually joking. Me neither. [00:51:35] Speaker B: I think he's mi six. [00:51:39] Speaker A: Okay. [00:51:42] Speaker B: Mainly because he's played by Peter Sarah Finwitz, who is a Brit. [00:51:46] Speaker A: Oh, that's the reason. [00:51:48] Speaker B: Also more Peter Sarah Finowitz in guardians, but also the voice of Darth Maul. Well, before Sam Whitworth did it for all of the animated stuff. But at least in phantom menace, the original voice. [00:52:03] Speaker A: Do you like that they're sending her to Prague? They're always going to Prague. I think it's five movies. [00:52:09] Speaker B: Prague or someplace that looks so like it's supposed to be somewhere else, but is actually just Prague. [00:52:14] Speaker A: Yeah, that, too. [00:52:17] Speaker B: Fine also congratulates. [00:52:21] Speaker A: She salutes. And he's like, we don't salute people. [00:52:24] Speaker B: No one does that. Crocker's got a new mission for her new identity. It's another bad photo. Fine invites her to dinner, but she actually turns him down, showing that she's, I think, finally over him. [00:52:35] Speaker A: Well, like I said in the haiku, she's outgrown him. She doesn't need him anymore for her own. She is herself fulfilled. That she's fulfilled. She doesn't need him. I thought that she was going to bring back, like, you screwed me. Like it's your fault. I've been an analyst for ten years. [00:52:48] Speaker B: But no. Let's go. And then Ford shows up somehow looking clean and also in a new suit, which they call good at that. And he says that they ask if he's going to rejoin the CIS. Yeah, I think they will. They need me. But first, I'm going to take some time off. I'm going to take this speedboat down the coast to Italy, but doesn't realize that the body of water that he's taking off into is just a lake. [00:53:16] Speaker A: Yeah, I remembered this from 2015. [00:53:19] Speaker B: I did not remember that sailing around the lake. [00:53:21] Speaker A: I remembered it going on longer than how it did, actually. Does this remind you of. It reminded me of the band from uncle when Henry Cavill. [00:53:30] Speaker B: It did not remind me. I just enjoyed that joke. Fades to black but then Susan and Ford wake up in bed together, and she screams, you liked it. [00:53:39] Speaker A: I didn't like that. [00:53:41] Speaker B: It wasn't necessary to have that. [00:53:43] Speaker A: Okay, here's a theory. All right, here's honestly a theory. But I wondered if someone in Hollywood was like, how do we know she's not gay? She goes over, her friend. [00:53:54] Speaker B: Is like a terrible studio note from some out of touch executive. [00:53:58] Speaker A: I can't imagine Paul Feige really cares. [00:54:00] Speaker B: That much about it. [00:54:01] Speaker A: It's a theory. I didn't like it. I was waiting for there to be an after credit scene because I was like, this time I'm going to watch it. Christian is not going to give me a hard time for snipping it. No. But then it's just like, unless. [00:54:14] Speaker B: Was there anything else after the credits? I actually didn't watch? I don't think so. [00:54:18] Speaker A: Once it does, like, the legit credits, where it's like a tiny little font, I don't think there's any more after credit scenes. [00:54:24] Speaker B: Okay. If there is, what they do have is there's other missions that are seen in the credits. They, like, give mission names and all other stuff like that that she goes through and what her terrible identity is for each of those. [00:54:36] Speaker A: Right? Yeah. Increasingly terrible identities. [00:54:39] Speaker B: But with that, our movie ends. [00:54:42] Speaker A: Yeah. So now it's time for spy factor fiction. Would you like to go first? [00:54:46] Speaker B: Sure. I've just got one thing. So I told you I was going to bring back one of his quotes, and I'm kind of cheating because I'm using one of his quotes, but it's actually for spy. Fact versus fiction. When they're in the casino and Susan tells Ford to take it down a notch, and he says, take it down. That's how you get polonium 210 slipped into your drink and go 18 months in intensive care for radiation poisoning. Go six months for the eyesight while everyone you've ever loved is gunned out. This is a very specific reference to Alexander Litvinenko from the thinking of the umbrella one. Oh, no, that's not Litvinenko. That is. Oh, now I can't remember his name. Bulgarian umbrella gun. Jorge Markov. That's right. Now, Alexander Litvinenko. Now, this is from Wikipedia. He was a british naturalized russian defector and former officer of the Federal Security Service, otherwise known as FSB, which is the successor to the KGB. And he was a prominent critic of Vladimir Putin and also advised british intelligence. Anyways, in November 1, 2006, Litvinenko suddenly fell ill and was hospitalized after poisoning with polonium 210, and he died from poisoning on the 23 November. [00:56:11] Speaker A: Did he go blind for six months? [00:56:13] Speaker B: That, I don't think so. But I'm just like, the fact that they've called out polonium 210 is definitely a reference to him. And apparently there was a murder investigation which identified a former member of the Russia's federal Protective service, or FSO, as the main suspect. Basically, it definitely was a russian hit because he was such a big critic of Putin. [00:56:39] Speaker A: Right. Yeah, I remember that story. [00:56:42] Speaker B: Yeah. I feel like at one point there was also talks that there was going to be a movie made of him about him and that Daniel Craig would star, but so far, nothing has happened. [00:56:53] Speaker A: I could see it. He looks like him. [00:56:55] Speaker B: Yeah. So that's what I got for spy factors fiction. When I heard polonium 210, I immediately thought of that. [00:57:01] Speaker A: All right, cool. Well, thanks. I have a lot. All right, the first one is according to a survey results published in January 2023, which I just found via Googling, a survey found about one third of adult Americans think they could safely land a passenger aircraft without air traffic controller's guidance. And among male respondents, it rose to 50%. [00:57:23] Speaker B: Wait, say that again. So what's the percentage? [00:57:25] Speaker A: So what people were saying is half of american men are confident they could land a plane. [00:57:30] Speaker B: Okay, but what about, in general, just everyone or one third? Oh, boy. [00:57:36] Speaker A: Yes. And according to a comment I read on Reddit, which I lost, most air traffic controllers don't know how to fly planes because that's not their job. [00:57:43] Speaker B: True. No. They need to give you the headings and everything and also tell you that if the Runway is clear. [00:57:49] Speaker A: Yes. So also, I noticed, according to CIA Gov, the history of CIA's seal in the movie, you can feel free to go back and double check this. The eagle faces to the right. In real life, it faces to the left. I don't know why they changed it. [00:58:04] Speaker B: Well, that's a thing that I've noticed going back. Well, going back to maybe the even early 2000s, they would just straight up use the real CIA seal. But as time has gone on, I think the CA has been actually more picky about it. Like, if you watch this last season of Jack Ryan, they use something that looks very similar but is not like they changed up the seal for legally distinct, but it know looks like the seal. And there's other. I can't think of what other, but. So I'm wondering now if CA is pushing back on it on the use of that seal. [00:58:42] Speaker A: Kind of like the, you know, you can use our stuff if you don't make us look bad, right? [00:58:47] Speaker B: Yeah, but know Jack Ryan, they make them look really good. So I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I noticed it there and I noticed. I forget what other movies I noticed or tv shows I noticed in where it's like, is something wrong with the seal? It's not right. [00:59:03] Speaker A: Something's off. [00:59:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:04] Speaker A: The next thing I have is. Wiley University services. The limits of the power of the CIA. A couple of myths. They do not generally arrest suspects. Susan does in the movie. It has no law enforcement power. Their primary function is for intelligence gathering and analyzing. And then also. And this applies to all of our movies, not just this one. It says, the CIA does not operate with impunity. It is a common misconception they have unlimited authority above the law. But actually everything they do must be authorized and monitored by several different government agencies that are in place to ensure that operations are carried out legally, including the house permit selection committee on Intelligence, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the office of the Inspector General, all have a hand. So you're not going to see that in any of our movies, fictional or otherwise. So then I thought of middle aged cat lady covers because they must exist in real life. And I remembered one. So I went all the way back to vengeance by George Jonas book that we did for Munich, because I remembered it was in there and I found it. So, on 22nd January, 1979, a palestinian terrorist named Ali Hassan Salame, who I think they may have talked about in the movie because his name sounds familiar. [01:00:14] Speaker B: But I don't know where from. [01:00:17] Speaker A: Probably from the movie. So he was blown up with several of his bodyguards when his Chevrolet station wagon passed by a parked volkswagen on a street in Beirut, Lebanon. This was possible because his movements have been observed by an israeli agent masquerading as Erica Marie Chambers. Quote, an eccentric, cat loving english spinster. Wow. She was living down the street, not far from Salome's second wife, a former Miss Universe. Other Mossad agents rented the volkswagen loaded with explosives and parked it along the route. And then there's a couple different sources about what happened. One source says that Chambers, or chambers in quotation marks, put a radio transmitter under Salome's car. Another one said that she pressed the button herself when she saw get into position, aka a remote explosive from Goldeneye. Either way, they got their man and they used a middle aged cat lady. [01:01:08] Speaker B: Cover to do it. [01:01:10] Speaker A: And then finally, like you said, the part where Ford's analyst is like subtly taking a picture of the guy's dick pics with her iPhone. [01:01:18] Speaker B: Right. [01:01:19] Speaker A: So that leads me to inside the fortified room. Securing US secrets from the Washington Post by Derek Hawkins, Adrian Blanco, Perry Steinen, and William Neff. Wow says every year the federal government classifies documents. And in order to see them, you need not only top secret level security clearance, but you also need a skiff, which stands for a sensitive compartmented information facility. An ultra secret room where they take precautions to review the info and the article, if you so inclined to Google. It has pictures and information about how you build one. Interesting layers that go into it we're not going to get into. And it says, despite all these safeguards, skiffs often function like normal offices with workstations and space to hold meetings. But cell phones and other unsecured devices are barred. So presumably this would take place in a skiff. And she wouldn't have a cell phone, any cell phone, let alone a personal one. [01:02:10] Speaker B: Yeah, but we also see that this whole, like, at least as they show them, well, they're not even analysts. I don't know what, this is not the most secure set up they have here. The fact that they're dealing with mice, bats, anything, any sort of rodent. Yeah, it's not secure. [01:02:30] Speaker A: And none of them were paying attention when Bradley finds taking on a suitcase. [01:02:34] Speaker B: Nuke or the fact that know. Did you see what Ford's girl in the chair was? Nancy was like, know. Did you know that Ford's in the field? And she says, well, he's gone rogue. I can't do anything until he checks in and she has a photo of herself and he's using CIA tech to see what she looks like with different hairstyles. [01:03:00] Speaker A: Oh, no, I didn't see that. I see. Very unprofessional. All right, so that is all I have for spy factor suspection. [01:03:07] Speaker B: All righty. [01:03:08] Speaker A: Next we have our favorite quotes. Would you like to go first? [01:03:10] Speaker B: Sure. So I've got a bunch from Ford. [01:03:15] Speaker A: Okay, lay them on me. [01:03:17] Speaker B: I'm not going to say all of them, but I have over it. We've talked about it, but I'm just going to go for it. Here's what we do. I go into the face off machine. I get a whole new face. I turn up. I never know it's me. How's my. [01:03:28] Speaker A: That was a good impression. Nice job. I thought you were going to do the whole scene is good, but that won't. [01:03:34] Speaker B: Just the face off machine. The fact that he thinks the face off machine is real probably only pull off that accent for that limit of time. So let's see some of his other stories. I once used a defibrillators on myself. I've jumped from a high rise building used only in a raincoat as a parachute. [01:03:51] Speaker A: Really quick. Do you think the deferred blader on yourself is a reference to the crank movie? Could be, because I'm pretty sure he does that. [01:03:58] Speaker B: Yeah, he definitely does that in the crank movie. [01:03:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:00] Speaker B: I've jumped from a high rise building using only a raincoat as a parachute and both broke legs on landing. And I still had to pretend I was in a Cirque du Soleil show. I've swallowed enough microchips and shipped them out back out again to make a computer. I really like this one. Will I make a habit out of doing things that people say I can't do? Walk through fire, water, street blindfolded. Take a piano at a late age. [01:04:25] Speaker A: Yeah, I did like that. [01:04:27] Speaker B: It's the comedy rule of three third things, weirder or different. [01:04:32] Speaker A: Take the shot at toxic masculinity. [01:04:35] Speaker B: But that's what I've got for favorite quotes. [01:04:38] Speaker A: Very nice. Okay, so I'm going to go in reverse order through the movie, and I'll try to keep it reasonable. So for some reason, I really like the line at the end where Susan says, sorry about the lake to the guys whose job it is. Swim around in lakes and collect. [01:04:53] Speaker B: I was amused by that. [01:04:55] Speaker A: That was great. [01:04:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:58] Speaker A: All right, so I also like city sense saying, let's go shoot someone else, which it just occurred to me now. It's like, shoot someone other than him. Is that what it's getting? [01:05:08] Speaker B: But also just. Well, he also just had saw Nancy shoot DeLuca with a sniper rifle, which I didn't even mention that she subsequently drops it. [01:05:20] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a joke that works on many layers. I liked when Nancy was the friend. Right? [01:05:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:26] Speaker A: She's like, I read. I read encyclopedia. I read all the Hunger Games. But then Reina overwrites it by saying, that's not helpful. It's like, obviously it's not helpful. Don't explain the joke to me, Reina. You fiended just long enough for all of us to laugh at you. Colin says something to Susan. No, he says something like, you just blew your cover. And she says, oh, yeah? Well, why don't you blow me, Colin? [01:05:51] Speaker B: His name's Frederick. [01:05:52] Speaker A: Right? I know, but it's funny. You're in contact. [01:05:55] Speaker B: No, I'm just saying. But you called him Colin. [01:05:58] Speaker A: Yeah, because she called him Colin. [01:05:59] Speaker B: Yeah, but his name's Frederick. [01:06:00] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. No, that's how little I respect him. But then the last one I'm going to say is when she says I'm just the same boring person I was before. And that really was very interesting to me, and I want to talk to you about it. [01:06:14] Speaker B: That's said by Susan. [01:06:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:16] Speaker B: What context? I don't remember. [01:06:18] Speaker A: Well, she's like, I think when I joined the CIA, I thought I was going to be a spy. I thought I was going to have Bradley finds life, but I'm the same boring person I was before. Which is interesting, because 5 seconds ago, she was blowing people up, helping this guy save the world. Lives were on the line, and she still thinks it's boring. [01:06:39] Speaker B: What part of the movie is this at? [01:06:41] Speaker A: This was right before they start making fun of Karen Walker. It's right in the beginning, but she. [01:06:46] Speaker B: Was still in the chair. She wasn't in the field yet. Okay, that's what I was trying to figure out. [01:06:50] Speaker A: Yeah, but, like, no offense to people work at Walmart, but compared to someone who works at Walmart, that's pretty freaking exciting if you ask me. [01:06:59] Speaker B: I see your point there. But there's a difference between being the person behind the scenes versus being the person out there. There's a big difference. [01:07:08] Speaker A: Yes, you're right. But I think it's interesting. It's like total grass is greener. Like low self esteem. No matter what she's doing, there's something inside of her that's causing her this pain, which I thought was very interesting. All right. Okay, so that is it for my favorite quotes. All right, now it is time for our ratings. On a scale of one to ten martinis, one being avengers 1998, and ten being even better than mission impossible ghost protocol, how would we rate spy? And I can go first because I know you usually prefer to go first. So if this was 2015, I would have given it a nine out of ten because I thought it was great. This time, the improv didn't work quite as well. I thought it went on a little too long. It was dated. Something else I forgot to mention is that Reina says something's retarded, which I also don't think you can do. You're going to agree with me with that, right? If people don't say that in 2023, you are. [01:08:02] Speaker B: If you're just a ginormous, terrible person. [01:08:10] Speaker A: Yeah, it just feels very dated. It's like I don't hear people say that outside of the fourth grade. [01:08:14] Speaker B: Yeah, that's true. I will give you, you know, she's not supposed to be a role model. She's supposed to be an example of the most terrible person. [01:08:25] Speaker A: Yeah, that's fair in a movie full of them. But anyway, so I like Melissa McCarthy. All those stuff was just too much. It wasn't as funny as when I saw it in 2015. I still think it's pretty good, though. It's very solid. I will give it a seven and a half. [01:08:41] Speaker B: Okay, interesting. [01:08:43] Speaker A: I'm feeling generous. That Melissa McCarthy. Yeah, giving them a bump. A big bump. [01:08:48] Speaker B: Looking back through our list of just. Okay. The movies that I would obviously compare this to are going to know the ones that are comedy based. Your tuxedo, your Johnny English, your get smart. What did I rate? Despite who dubbed b. Oh, that was only our, like, fourth episode. Wow. That was quite early. Okay. Yeah. So, I mean, I think of these. It's up there with, in my opinion, your Johnny English or your get smart. I think maybe even slightly better, I would say, because, like, you know, I think it does good character work, and I think it is funnier than those. [01:09:32] Speaker A: I certainly agree. I think it's funnier than Johnny. [01:09:35] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I mean, I do love Johnny English, but I think it is funnier than Johnny English. I disagree. I think the improv still works for me. I'm going to give this as well, a seven and a half out of ten martinis, which. It's pretty good. It's still a fun time. And, yeah, I enjoyed it. [01:09:53] Speaker A: Very nice. Well, that's good. I'm glad it was a winner. Bring us back into 2024. It's always nice when we agree on a movie, right? [01:10:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, unless they're either really bad or really good, we don't agree. Get exactly the same. So this is interesting. That's one of. It's pretty good. And we both thought, all right, yeah, clearly seven out and half out of ten. [01:10:17] Speaker A: Very nice. All right, anything else you want to discuss? [01:10:20] Speaker B: No, just going back to just how it's similar to those movies. It is funny that they keep overusing this trope of. All right. All of the identities are exposed, so now we have to bring out the most unlikely person as the spy. [01:10:36] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I mean, either that or everyone dies, which I think was in. [01:10:41] Speaker B: Another movie that was a Johnny English's. It's just funny that that has popped up so many, like, we're the only. [01:10:51] Speaker A: Ship in the quadrant from. [01:10:52] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. [01:10:53] Speaker A: Thank you all for joining us. You can find us on social media, at the Spyfi guys, on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram, at our merch [email protected]. Until next time, I'm Zach. [01:11:03] Speaker B: And I'm Christian. [01:11:04] Speaker A: And we are the spy fi guys signing off. [01:11:10] Speaker B: Thank you for listening to the spy fi guys. If you enjoyed our podcast, please be sure to give us a five star rating on iTunes. The theme song from this podcast is mistake the Getaway by Kevin McLeod from incompetent.com, licensed under Creative Commons by attribution. 30 films, books and television shows reviewed by our podcast are the intellectual property of their respective copyright holders, and no infringement is intended. [01:11:37] Speaker A: This is a personal podcast. 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