"Pearl Harbor" guest starring Sarah

Speaker 0 00:00:00 December 7th, 1941 a day that shall live in infamy. We are the Spotify guys, and this is Pearl Harbor. Speaker 0 00:00:17 Welcome to the Spotify guys where we cover spy facts by fiction and everything in between I'm Christian and I'm Zach. And today we are covering a, another movie about pro Harbor following last week's Tora Tora Tora. This week, we are covering Michael Bay's pro Harbor from 2001 and two cover that movie. I figured we should have someone who is currently living in Hawaii. I supposed to me, who's used to live in Hawaii. Let's have a low warm Aloha to Sarah returning guest. Aloha. Welcome back, Sarah. Glad everything's going well in Hawaii. Speaker 1 00:00:54 Of course it is paradise. Speaker 0 00:00:57 So yes, today we are covering Pearl Harbor. It's famous for being terrible, but as I think we will discuss, it's not that. And also commemorate this recording. I'm wearing it on a little usher because of course I had to, Speaker 1 00:01:13 I will confess that I had not seen this movie before. Um, before just now I have, I have many feelings. I have so many notes. It was a roller coaster of emotion. I thought thought I hated it. That I loved it. I have, I have thoughts about, I could talk conservatively per six hours. Uh, I think about this movie. Speaker 0 00:01:38 Well, since you could talk for so much about it, maybe we should get started here. All right, Zach, can you give us the plot synopsis from IMDV? Yeah. Listen to this. A tale of war and romance mixed in with history. The story follows two lifelong friends and a beautiful nurse who are caught up in the horror of it infamous Sunday morning and 1941. Okay. So first of all, there is no based on a true story or anything like that in the beginning of this movie, that's correct because it is not based on a true story. It's based on a true event. As I think we'll show up money times this was designed to be an answer to Titanic. It's very similar. It is it's Michael Bay's Titanic, but Titanic did not claim to be based on a true story, which makes it fair enough. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:02:26 Uh, I admittedly have not seen a Titanic either. I know, I know. Speaker 0 00:02:35 Excuse excusable, but as a girl of our generation, how did you not see Titanic? Speaker 1 00:02:42 Honest answer is that I thought it was, well, I thought it was too racy for me. Um, so I like self-selected. I thought that it was like, I thought it was too sexy. So I was, I don't know how old I was 13 or something. Um, I guess I was a little bit of a prude. Uh, Speaker 2 00:03:05 Yeah, you were like, oh, I was less than 30 and then Speaker 1 00:03:10 I was fatal. I was living. So I decided it was inappropriate for me. Um, I was allowed to do pretty much whatever I wanted. So it's purely self-selection Speaker 2 00:03:21 Pearl Harbor is much more Tam there's no. Oh yes, it is PG 13, but let's get into this movie. So it starts off, not in Hawaii, but in submitted Western state. I don't think we get, do we actually get a place where yeah, it's in Tennessee and it's 1923. Okay. That's not in the Midwest. It looked like a Midwestern state. Speaker 1 00:03:45 Yeah, it's funny. So we opened on a plane and again, it's going to be very obvious from that tippity tippity top that I had not seen this movie before and I thought, oh my God, we're starting already. Speaker 2 00:03:59 1913. Speaker 1 00:04:01 Well, I didn't see the, the year or the plane. It's a plane. Speaker 2 00:04:06 The attention. It was dependency 1923 or 23. Sorry. It's post-World war one because the dad refers to fighting a world war II. So we have like a crop duster pan over these two kids playing on what looks like, how do they build this thing? It's a makeshift like airplane, but like they have like bicycle parts built into it so that when you turn the bicycle, pedals spins the propellor and they have like, I like this thing. They had little cards inside the stuck inside the spokes of the bike so that when you turn the spokes, it makes that cause it's like a sound like a propeller going just, I liked that. It was a nice touch of things that, I mean, I was an inventive kid who like, you know, made stuff out of other stuff. So like when I see that sort of stuff, it touches my heart. Speaker 2 00:04:49 Yeah. So immediately were like, these guys love flying. That's the only thing they care about, even as calves. And I love this, the little scene where they're like pretending to be on the guns. And one is shouts land of the free home of the brave. It's like, oh my gosh, I want to get this up out there too. This movie was made pre nine 11 and released pre nine 11. But you can't tell because it's so permeated with that peak, that post nine 11 patriotic notes that we all had, there was all out there that you kind of feel like it had to have been a post nine 11 movie. And that's also something, a lot of critics don't like about it. Like some of the YouTube people that I went to use for spy fact versus fiction complained about the flag-waving patriotism. But compared to movies that came later, I didn't think it actually had that much. I think if it had been released post nine 11. And so I think it might've gotten a bigger impact. Not that this had like as less, a small impact, it may, it had a budget of like 140 and made 450 million. So it made us money. I loved all the 2d elements Speaker 3 00:05:58 In this Speaker 0 00:05:58 Movie. Right. Speaker 3 00:06:01 Chidi. I was, I was super down for the, over the top patriotism that just like, got you vamped up. Ready to go. I bromance between yeah. I am such a sucker. I'm such a sucker for that. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:06:19 I guess this was the perfect choice for Sarah. Then I didn't even realize that. So we have Rafe and Danny and Rae is why is he named rave? It's a name. Apparently my mind. I feel like it is. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it's maybe like a screenwriter's grandfather was named Ray for something. That's definitely a distinctive name that you would remember. Speaker 3 00:06:41 So I feel time it's about the Rubik. Forgot who, so I think of them as Ben Affleck and Speaker 0 00:06:52 He forgot his name. Josh Hartnett, Josh Barnett. I thought Josh Hornet was the other Josh. The one who's Stanos oh, Josh Brolin. Yeah. And I was like, boy, you sure it looks different when he was younger, but it was Josh as it turns out. And he's much older. Josh Brolin is right. The thing that we need to learn here. Well, first we get hints of here is that Rafe seems to be dyslexic. Cause he misspelled rudder on like they have a little chalkboard on it that he spelled it wrong. Once his dad finishes dusting the crops, they sneak into the crop duster and play with all the dials and then accidentally start the plane. Hot take children should not fly planes. That's not that hot of a tape. It's very clear. They didn't intend to actually take it off. I mean, I think the only exception would be at one Anacon Skywalker who can clearly fly a plane. Well, I think it was our team doing most of the flying. Speaker 0 00:07:57 So they accidentally ended up flying a few inches off the ground. Danny's dad comes and is like, you know, scolding Danny and it's taking him away and also give like, you know, make some mention of this. You know, you don't spend any time with this, no account boy who can't read. So again, something's up with race. One Danny's are getting taken away. Rafe hits, grabs the rudder off of their makeshift plane and hits Danny's dad over the back and calls him a no good German. Because of course there's still the anti-German sentiment from world war one. Yeah. You could ask that professor Hiro, dictators, who were Patriots about that, a lot of the dialogue in this movie is really bad, but there are a couple of scenes that feel very real. Unfortunately they tend to be pretty negative scenes and this is one of them. Speaker 0 00:08:42 I really quite liked this part. I recognize the actor, but I can't remember his name. The guy who plays the dad, the lawyer, there you go. He's a perennial bad guy. Everything he's in, he's in the, uh, opening of the dark night, he's the banker. Right. He gets hit and he doesn't hit back. He just stands up and is like, has no one like yes, D flashback and then walks away, Danny, you know, thanks for me for sticking up for him. But it goes back to his dad. I mean ultimately like yeah, of course. It's yeah. And then we cut to our first of many newsreels about the war on the front. So I guess they jumped forward like 15 years or whatever. And next we meet grown-up Danny and Rafe who are, uh, flying. <inaudible> playing a game of chicken Speaker 1 00:09:29 As it was, come back and forth between Josh Hartnett and Ben Affleck. It took a couple of flashes back to Ben Affleck just by the fact that I knew that he was at his movie. I knew he was basically the star of the movie. Uh, and yet it, it did take a second. Speaker 0 00:09:45 You're used to seeing him as an old Batman, Speaker 1 00:09:48 I guess. So I guess so I don't know. I blame the, the camera angles and the lighting Speaker 0 00:09:54 Or the fact that this movie was is 20 years old. Thinking about that. Yeah. Tell us about anyways. So we see them and they're really good pilots. They play chicken and then they both turn the same, you know, turn the same way too. Narrowly avoid hitting each other. And of course this gets them called into, you know, their superior officer's office, who is one, uh he's Jimmy Doolittle, Jimmy, as I was like, dude, I was like, I can remember it. Yes. Jimmy Doolittle played by Alec Guinness or Alec Baldwin, excuse me, style in star wars on the brain. Cause we were talking about it and it gets Skywalker briefly. I don't remember them identifying him as June, may do a little at this point. Also I had an observation that the guy with the sunglasses who's watching them play chicken, I thought was Casper van Dean. Speaker 0 00:10:43 But it turns out it was not him. Do little as chewing them out. This is like straight out of top gun doing flybys and all that. Getting chewed out after that. Yeah. I can see why Christian likes this movie. Now. It's interesting that Ray responds by basically like kissing his bot a little bit. The French have a word for it. They call it a mush, sir. It was just, okay. This movie is pretty good at trauma needs to are trying to do comedy audience. Almost like this light is like, that's bullshit, bullshit Macaulay. But it's very good bullshit. I'm glad you brought that up because this is the first time that the subtitles are a little bit censored. Oh yeah, yeah. Right. I didn't Speaker 1 00:11:27 Oh, titles, this, the close captions were, were censored Speaker 0 00:11:34 To be fair. I was okay with it when they had all the Japanese slurs in there, they got cut those out. But like, you know, the swear words, they didn't need a sensor that it's just funny. It's like watching a TV yet, except without the bad ADR over there. Or did the TV edit captions, but the real audio. Right? So basically he says that that's a load of baloney. There's no title. Speaker 1 00:11:59 It took me. Cause that was the first time that there was a disconnect. And you know, obviously I had the bond, it took me a minute to really, to realize what's happening. Right. That's the second time it's taken me a minute to realize something fairly obvious. Uh, Speaker 0 00:12:16 Yeah. Your brain is not fully engaged with the movie yet. Speaker 1 00:12:19 Yeah. Hopefully it will redeem myself as the podcast goes on Speaker 0 00:12:24 Anyways. So we also hear that, uh, Ray has been accepted in something called Eagle squadron, which is a outfit that the British RAF or Royal air force has set up so that American pilots can go over and fight in the war. So basically he's like, if I don't go and fight in this war, I might age out what is a mobile service? Speaker 1 00:12:45 He said, I'm going to be 25. I'm going to be a 25 year old thing to say that I'm going to be an old man at 25. Speaker 0 00:12:57 It was 29 at the time of this filming. If I recall. So he's playing younger than he actually was, which is fairly normal. Actually. I don't think his concern was so on warranted because soldiers and sailors and airmen are often pilots. Yeah. In real life than they are in the movies. Like a lot of them were not even old enough to buy a beer and world war II and world war two. Yeah. So next we'd go over to a bunch of nurses on a trade. The main one is Evelyn played by Kate Beckinsale and she's telling the story of how she met this guy. So here's my question is a Navy nurses, right? Yes. But all the guys are army pilots, army not have nurses, nurses be administering shots for army pilots. I don't know. It may have been a mistake, but I wanted to talk about the nurses because Sarah is our local, uh, what's the word I'm looking for? Our local peddler of feminist propaganda as she would admit herself. That's why I'm curious to hear her thoughts on these nurses. Cause it seems like the only thing they do in the movie is talk about mad. No, they also save a bunch of lives. You know what, let me, let me rephrase that. The only thing they talk about before the war starts is like, then what what'd you say that's accurate? Speaker 1 00:14:12 Yes, I think so. I think that's pretty accurate. Half of my notes are about the relationship between Quebec and the Dale and bet Aflac. So it's interesting that, uh, that you bring that up. This movie is a little bit dated in the way it treats women in general. I think I don't, I don't know who wrote this script. I'm guessing it wasn't a female. I didn't write this script. Obviously they did not ask my input. The characters, particularly the nurses seemed somewhat two dimensional, uh, and they weren't given really a of agency or ability to drive the plot or interest or really much of anything other than perhaps a slight lack of intelligence pushes assaulting. I mean, though, one of them was super bimbo EOE and you know, it's not until the end of the movie that we get to see a different side of them. Speaker 2 00:15:15 Yeah. In a scene that reminded me of captain America, the first Avenger, not just pilots, but I think just army soldiers are getting shots and like eye exams and all sorts of medical stuff. It's it again, shot of Ray, who is, like we said, we've hinted at, or it's been, it's heavily hinted that he's dyslexic. And so he's getting in line for the eye exam where skate back and sail is. And he like has memorized and he has written down on paper. What the, what the bottom what's that bottom line is spouts it off so fast that Evelyn is suspicious. And so she instead has some read the, the very top line, read the bottom, but backwards and only every other letter. So he gets all tripped up and he makes this plea to her. Don't fail me that his eyesight is just, he has trouble reading letters sometimes. And she's like, well maybe with proper schooling, as I know I've had schooling, then just didn't know what to do with it. It seems very realistic that in world war II, they wouldn't have sensible accommodations for people who can say, you know what this Lexia is at that point. I think, I don't know, actually I don't know when dyslexia was officially diagnosed and discovered, I believe that she decides that she's going to pass him. Well, it helps if he has a buyer. Well, that's not till later I know I was joking. Speaker 1 00:16:33 This scene reminded me or the movie in general, every once in a while reminded me of CYBIRD, which is a Brandon Sanderson book about a pilot, Speaker 2 00:16:42 Which I apparently should read. Is it based in reality? No, it's a fantasy world. Yes, but it's not part of, what's the thing. What's his universe called and it caused me here hashtag nuts, sponsored by Brandon Sanderson, Speaker 1 00:16:57 Brett Anderson, please, please sponsor love Brandon Sanderson hashtag not add. And I quite enjoyed the book guy word as well as it sequel. And that scene in particular reminded me of the book for the vast audience of, uh, Brandon Sanderson fans, who also listen to the spy guys. This comment is you, you know, we have a, you know, a main character, the protagonist who is kind of on the outside and like kind of trying to work hard to get to get on the inside. And you know, all they want to do is fly. Speaker 2 00:17:38 I really need to read this book. Yeah. Yeah. Same thing with Gattica if you guys remember that movie, all that main character wants is to go to space. Seems to be a common thing with movie protagonists. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:17:49 That's their one. Something that hopefully every movie character has is a want, if it's a well-written movie on like GetSmart Ooh, wow. Going back to that. Anyways, we come back to Rafe who the steels and another soldiers chart. And so he can go over to see Evelyn's and thank her. Yeah. I mentioned it given your needles in the bud tox, which he had already had, as it turns out he already had. Okay. So what did we think about this scene? I thought it was like her abusing her power at first to like mess with him. But then it turns out there was a fairly honest mistake on her part, but I still say that the cube bud thing was very unprofessional. She didn't say it. She just may have thought it, but she didn't actually say it until later on. That's true. She's like, she says that as she's retelling it to her colleagues. Okay. But yes, I think it's supposed to be funny that he keeps getting needles into his rear end. We find it not funny personally, but okay. She figures out that he, uh, has already gotten the shot and when he starts to slur his words and when he was trying to say, I really like you, he says, instead I really lik you. I was like, what? Oh yeah, that was just peak comedy too. Speaker 1 00:19:07 I believe, although I guess I could believe there were making light of, I don't want to call it a metal issue. Exactly. But I was concerned like if you shouldn't be getting a shot twice, like what happens to you? Should you beat like no one seemed to take care of or addressed that aspect of it at all. But that was what was in my head was, oh, you got, you got the shot twice. What are the medical Speaker 0 00:19:30 Repercussions? I mean, my head can, is that all right? The nurses who are trained medical professionals know that, all right. If he would just get woozy or something. So they're not so concerned about that in the story. They're just, but he gets woozy. He falls over, hits his head. So again, it's more slapstick comedy, which is unusual to see Ben Affleck doing. And while I have before floor, I would actually disagree with you, Sarah. I felt like he back in sales reaction to realize that he had the wrong beds was appropriately concerned, but that's that's me. Speaker 1 00:20:05 She had some concern in her voice. It wasn't clear to me that she Speaker 0 00:20:10 Okay. Evelyn and her other nurse colleagues are exiting and Rafe is there with a like ridiculously bandaged nose. Yeah. Again, it's supposed to be funny. I think, hi. Hi. It looks so dumb with his band. And he does like doll. I thought so. I mean, he makes a reference like it's like, this is mostly precautionary, even though it looks pretty terrible. Hmm. Okay. Sarah, would you like the floor to talk about the scene? Speaker 1 00:20:37 I'll be very brief. I'll be very brief as I adjust lean forward in my chair. All right. Like does not give up. And I know as the audience, we are supposed to find this very charming and endearing, you know, I want someone who doesn't give up on me and, and that happens in a lot of movies. Girl says no. And then the guy keeps going and we're like, oh, that's so cute. I hope they got together. And then they do. And they live happily ever after. I think that's a huge problem in movie tropes. And I think this movie exacerbates that problem that listen, listen, but she says, no. She said, no, she doesn't want to eat. You don't doc her. Don't wait for her and try to, I'm making this like Pence judge or with my hands. Don't like, we lay her as she's coming out of a building to ask her for a date. Speaker 1 00:21:33 She has no. How going, wouldn't it be in real life for any woman to continuously get accosted by the same guy that's harassment. That's illegal. The reason in the movie sphere that we're okay with it is because he's kind of attractive and that's really the lesson of the movie. We're okay with it because he's kind of good-looking and that's kind of a messed up message to T this should be a big warning title card at the beginning of this movie, to tell everyone to respect boundaries and no means no. And I wish there were like a, as part of the rating system, like the PGR rating system there should. Yeah. Like man is not respecting women rated R Speaker 0 00:22:23 It's interesting how this keeps coming up with movies. Sarah has covered with us. It didn't happen in Sergeant stubby, but it did happen in Austin Powers powers. Yes, though. Of course the classic example of this is Han solo. He's probably in the empire strikes back is probably the first and best example. I doubt that he's the first example, but he is a good example of this troop. Yup. What I took away from this is just seeing Ben clicking more pain, which I was thought was hilarious. Speaker 1 00:22:51 No, I was still mad that he was being a creepy his daughter and that this way, and in the movie, I was furiously writing down my age, my thoughts, my visceral reactions. And I thought, I know I hate this movie. I can't. Of course this is why they wanted to be on for the movie. No, it'll be excited. It's coming together. Um, and I had expected kind of at trends to continue, but up until this point, I was like, this movie sucks. It's boring. He treats women. Like I have a huge problem with this movie. Speaker 0 00:23:22 Okay. I would like to step in on this, Sarah, it seems like your reaction to this was much, much stronger than Austin Powers, which is interesting because I thought Austin Powers as a character was way worse. Like he said a much more inappropriate things to the object of his desire. Then the rifle, Speaker 1 00:23:40 Huge problem with Austin Powers. I, uh, did not care for the movie. Speaker 3 00:23:46 The what's I think more insidious about this portrayal is that it's not a caricature. It's not something that we're supposed to think as a problem. Austin Powers, although I didn't enjoy watching it, the audience is supposed to know that it's a farce. That it's something that we're supposed to everything he does. We're supposed to think it's bad. That being said, uh, I still don't enjoy or support, uh, watching those types of things anyway. So that includes a lot of James Bond movies. That includes Austin Powers had isn't something I enjoy watching, but yeah, the, this stealthy anti-feminism and this stealthy, uh, suggestion and encouragement to break boundaries, this feels more insidious because we're not supposed to think it's bad. We're supposed to think it's charming. We're supposed to think that this is the right way for men to hate. This is what a romantic, romantic love looks like. And I don't think that's what romantic love looks. Speaker 0 00:24:54 I see. Thank you. One last thing about this, which is, this is the scene that contains the infamous. I don't remember all the details. I don't think they'll be everyone's favorite quote, which has my heart hurts. No, I think it's my nose that hurts, which is like famous for being so terrible. I mean, I remember the line because I've seen this movie a lot, but I remember that being an infamous line. I love you so much. It hurts or something hurts or something like that. Yeah. There's I think it's my, my nose that hurts. He says, I think it's my heart. Okay. The reason why it keeps coming up is because I keep Googling cheesy lines from movies for a panel. We do it awesome pod at this keeps showing up, but it's too short to do in a scene. So jumped out to me, but I going to move on. Speaker 0 00:25:41 Oh yes. Kate Beckinsale views. His, uh, being injured is, I don't know what falls for him and they kiss. And so back on the train, as she's telling the storage, all her nurse friends, she says it's been the best, what four weeks in however many days. And so they going to go meet up with him and all his pilot buddies at a jazz club in New York city. And at this point is my recommended Jennifer Garner as one of the nurses. So this is before her big break, but before she was anyone, that's why she has such a small role here. But also, so we get a shot of all the pilots getting ready, including Rafe and Danny, one of the guys, he tells his buddies, all right, put this under your eyes drops. And like, well up and say, you know, they're training me to be a big, bad war hero to get their attention basically. And we see various guys trying to talk up some of the nurses and lunch of them striking out brief, and Evelyn are dancing and Ray has not told Evelyn that he's going to be going away yet. Speaker 2 00:26:43 So he's keeping that secret, sneak off and go to see New York by boat, go and see New York Harbor and not drive. What's the word? What would the word be? I own it. I own a boat. Yeah. But okay. Well, but they cruise cruise by, uh, I think it's the queen Mary cause their doctor and they were talking about, you know, how, when the wars, when the world's called or you can take a cruise like this dress for cocktails and have fancy dinners and which point he gets up on, like, or it gets them up on a platform. They may have a little make-out session up there and then they knock the lever. So it drops them from that height. Yeah. More slapstick comedy at bed Affleck's expense, which does not sustain through the rest of the movie. Apparently what Michael bay said is, is that the first half of this movie, he was trying to make it like a forties slapstick kind of comedy for that all the romantic stuff complete with the male gaze. Speaker 2 00:27:42 So it seems like everyone else is in like an apartment they're having to brand all the time partying. But this is when Ray reveals to Evelyn, that he's, that he's, you know, going away, not, not just going away, but going away the next day. That's right. And I think the idea is it's like a sleazy move. It's like I saw an Israeli comedian once he was like, I'm leaving from the Golan Heights tomorrow, touch it. That was like his pickup line. So anyway, but he can't follow through with that because he's such a global guy. Rafe is that is yeah. And so he tells Ellen, all right, don't come to see me off at the train station. So I like this part. It felt very real. You see it in other war movies, like Hacksaw Ridge, where he meets the girl of his rhythms, right. When he's about to leave. So they write each other letters throughout the whole war. Speaker 3 00:28:28 So my reaction, obviously I'm going to have reaction, right. Um, as far as the movie timeline goes, we go from being super bad, uh, the portrayal of the relationship and how they come together to an admittedly kind of cute rapport between the two of them. And they look really happy and I thought, okay, well, if you know, if it continues on this trajectory, you know, I, I knew that the move was kind of a love story and I thought, okay, I'll learn to love them as a couple. So that's where my head was at. Uh, just both again, hadn't seen them before, just so you know, that's what I was thinking during that scene. And then I thought, oh, they're too happy. One of them is going to die. Speaker 2 00:29:14 Mm. Speaker 3 00:29:16 The other thing that I thought was interesting about that scene in particular was that the most romantic thing that he could do in that moment was not sleep with her. And in the moment I really appreciated that. No, C C fatness rant here. Um, if that's the pinnacle of, you know, romantic action is, you know, I will respect your boundaries. I was like, okay, okay. Like I'm talking up to you or whatever. But then I realized later in the movie that I have very different thoughts about that. I will save my thoughts for later because it is a plot spoiler, but I have throughout the movie, I mentally have returned to that scene and then got mentally so bad. But at the time I was like, Aw, that's so sweet. And then you go to the stupid test. So there's a lot of ups and downs here. There's a lot of, I hate this. I hate them as a couple. They're so cute. Oh, that's so nice. He's respecting her boundaries. I can, I can get through this. And then the test, if she loves me, she won't listen to me and she'll show up anything. Speaker 0 00:30:29 Yeah. Nope. Speaker 3 00:30:31 Thank you. No, thank you. It's once again, uh, the expecting words and actions not to meet each other, you don't believe, believe women. Um, that people mean what they say. That's why they say it. If someone says don't come or someone says, I want you to come, you shouldn't assume that they secretly mean the opposite and that's was a recurring theme. And then I got met again. So Speaker 0 00:31:05 The whole thing of like, if she calmed, then she really loves me, was mind boggling. It didn't make any sense. Why was it even here? I don't know. So then you could get the dramatic scene of KA, of Evelyn running to the train station, even though because she's late to try to catch him and, you know, the dramatic irony of, you know, she she's there and he can see her and he's knocking on the window, but he won't, she doesn't hear him. And yeah, Speaker 3 00:31:32 It felt very, uh, Romeo and Juliet, particularly the, um, the Leonardo DiCaprio version of Romeo and Juliet, um, in which they sort of well, and that one, they, they wake up and they see a spoiler alert for, I guess, Romeo and Juliet. Um, they, they wake up and they see each other in that director's vision, you know, but generally the wake up, they see the other one and they're like, oh, it's dad, I'm going to kill myself. And then, you know, kind of the same thing and it felt a little bit like that. Um, so it felt a little Romeo and Juliet and the movie, uh, again, is sort of oscillating and, and tearing me between pitching moments like the scene that we, I think actually, I think we skipped over it, the two where the bromance is happening and talking, seeing each other off to where, like that was a genuinely touching moment. And then, so once again, we had the movie like getting me angry and then getting me feels, um, you know, the boy and the girl keep missing each other interjected with, uh, these like weirdly jarring moments about a bad relationship. Speaker 0 00:32:41 Sounds like a Michael bay film. I think you're expecting a lot from the writing of the romance. I basically just turned my brain off anytime they were together. And I was sort of hoping we were not going to talk about it, but I, I guess, Speaker 3 00:32:56 Sorry, I'll stop Speaker 0 00:33:00 Sharing your opinions. It's fine. So we next go into another newsreel, uh, which tells us about Eagle squadron and it like transit. I like this transition to like transitions from that, like the newsreel footage into real footage. And what else? A movie did black and white and to color Michael Collins, a great movie aside that with a comment. Okay. So he gets to in Glenda and Vincent van Gogh from the doctor who episode with Vincent van Gogh gives us some bad dues him that's right. And they're looking at a pretty rough ship. They're repairing planes, like right on the runway there. He sees his plane that the guy who piloted previously died inside of it. Yeah. It's a bloody plane. You see what I did there? Uh, Speaker 3 00:33:47 Inheriting the very gruesome plane that someone brutally died in. There was brain matter in blood and the glass was broken. Um, and knowing that you are going to go up in it next would, what are you different? Speaker 0 00:34:06 Yeah. There's a scene that we skipped over, but I'll say briefly, there's a part where Danny gives Ray like a very realist perspective. He's like, why are you in such a hurry to get into the war? People die in a war. You could die in a war. So treated seriously. There's a little bit of that stuff in the movie, but they don't follow through. Like, I don't think they gave this bloody plane and enough breathing room to really make that a well-developed part of the movie tiny, which they did, but the movies really along. So you had to make a compromise somewhere. The next we go to the white house, we have FDR played by Angelina's Julie's dad. I didn't even recognize him as FTR. Yeah. Well, oh, you mean, wait, what is his actual name now? Um, he had to like, press prosthetics on there. Yeah. Yeah. That's John boy. That's her father. Oh, you didn't know that? Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:34:58 Interesting. Interesting. Speaker 0 00:35:00 I actually don't remember what happens in the scene. I mean, he's just trying to try. Yeah. He's said more so they need more supplies Speaker 3 00:35:09 His point, but it doesn't make a lot of sense. My brain must've been like, boom, boom. What wrote down was I think that S Churchill was probably in the crown. I also appreciate it. The Churchill from doctor who, who is your favorite church? Speaker 0 00:35:27 Hatable I mean, obviously the Gary Goldman had won in darkest hour was real like, cause he actually talked like Winston Churchill actually dead, which is like kind of high pitched and nasally. But the doctor who one's good too. Yeah. So the next we go to Japan, we meet an Royal yellow muddle. This is a lot of information that was repeated from Tora, Tora Tora basically. Or we find out that the Japanese army, they start to invade China. And also that the, the us is having an embargo on them. Admiral Yamamoto seemingly gets inspiration of how he's going to do his attack by seeing kids flying kites. The Japanese are much more sympathetically portrayed in the beginning of the movie. Then later they don't come off as like the bad guys in this part. Speaker 3 00:36:10 I know. I kind of think that, Speaker 0 00:36:14 Okay, well later in the movie they have like these scary dramas that play every time the Japanese, well, I mean, those are like Tyco drums. It's not necessarily scary, but okay. All right. Speaker 3 00:36:24 I, yeah, I did notice later that door a little bit more faceless and a little bit more like kind of otherized, but what I noticed in this scene, the captions were ever down the word that the captions were entertaining. I don't know if the captions are entertaining. Um, but they did have quick quote, speaking Japanese as the subtitle, which the screen actually covered the English, the English translation of what they were saying, which was embedded in the movie. And I thought maybe they shouldn't block the English translation with speaking Japanese. Speaker 0 00:37:04 Uh, I'm going to be charitable and think it was just some technical mistake. Speaker 3 00:37:08 Oh yeah. I'm sure. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:37:11 Did you recognize one of the, uh, Japanese, uh, officials, Zack? So I recognize him, but I'm afraid of saying who he is, because you're gonna think I'm racist. It's a Kerry who Yuki to Goa who played sang Shang song in the moral comment series is it was a bunch of all their stuff. Isn't he on man? In the high castle? Yes he is. Yes. Yeah. That's probably what I recognized. I Speaker 3 00:37:34 Recognized him from it in the high castle. Speaker 0 00:37:36 He was also in, I think he was in license to kill. Okay. Well, yeah. So w next we go to the nurses who are all arriving in Pearl Harbor and Speaker 3 00:37:47 Yeah, Speaker 0 00:37:48 A lot of the stuff that's in the water and all that stuff is Pearl Harbor. But other stuff like, you know, anytime that anything that could be a set, probably actually just a set. But so then the base, they're getting a tour of the Harbor and they're seeing basically all the men who are all on all the ships and one of them was like counting, like all the different, how many men there are basically. And the odds are in their favor is what they say. That's the only thing they talk about. But by the way, I didn't look this up first by fact versus fiction. But I'm pretty sure that Frighteners nation is like heavily frowned upon. It's like cheerleaders in the NFL players. Well, there's just so many characters in this movie. We have Evelyn and she is like a crew. And then we have the pilots and they have two crows, so many people. Yes. But I could act because they seem to distinct Speaker 2 00:38:35 Personalities. I could keep track of them better than in Tora, Tora, Tora in context where our care, like people in Tora, Tora, Tora were real life characters, but they got like zero personality exposition. These guys actually have a personality, like, okay, you got red. Who was the one who stutters. Okay. You can remember him. All right, Billy. And, um, the other guy they're forgettable. Um, but then, then you have Rafe and then you have goose played by, uh, what's his face. It Michael Shannon. Who's just weird and out there. So he, at least he's different. Speaker 1 00:39:13 They actually had someone, I think it was goose, but it sounded a lot like, Speaker 2 00:39:17 Yep. Speaker 1 00:39:20 And this comes up top gun, right? They, that was intentional. Speaker 2 00:39:24 I would think so. Yeah. He reminded me a lot of Rami Malik's character from the Pacific. If you guys have seen the Pacific Rami, Malik is in it as one of the Marines. And he seems crazy even before they get into combat, he seems like Michael Shannon's character was like, totally loopy. Seems like he's going to go nuts and start shooting his own guys out, like any second. So yeah, we meet him and he's building a surf board and he's like, kind of making a surf board, but he's adding a fin to it. Oh, they didn't have fins before that, in fact versus fiction. Okay, fine. Yeah. We have the, you know, the pilots who meet, you know, the local pilots on the ground in Hawaii, including goos and Earl. And then we have Rafe, you know, writing letters to Evelyn talking about how terrible the fighting is out. It's not how I imagined it would be an ambulance writing these, like these, you know, romantic things about how a soaking in the, every sunset's last energy and sending it from my heart to yours. Speaker 1 00:40:23 It's a little cliche and I do have the cheesy stuff, but we're writing from the friends and a postcard looking picture of Hawaii felt it felt a little bit too much. Yeah. That's a little cliche Speaker 2 00:40:35 Fair though. And you'll attest to this. Sarah Hawaii does look like that for sure. Speaker 1 00:40:41 And in fact, I loved seeing all of the Hawaii things. Every time I just heard the word Hawaii, or there was any reference to Hawaii. I was like, I live here and it was great. Speaker 2 00:40:51 All right. Perfect movie for you then. Yeah. So next we go to Admiral Kenny, who we met last week. I think he'd be an Admiral Kimmel, Kimmel. Thank you. And he is saying what we learned in Tora Tora Tora that Pearl Harbor is too shallow to be tacked with torpedoes, but they're worried about sabotage to they're putting all their planes together, which will make them a really easy target. Well, easier to, easier to watch. And as if to count completely counter the fact that they're saying that it's too shallow for torpedo attack and all of that sort of stuff. We next go back to Japan where they've got this really sweet setup of like model boats of all the, the battleships. This is one thing that I was annoyed with last week is they say that they have adjusted for too. So the torpedoes can travel through the shallower depth of Pearl Harbor. Speaker 2 00:41:39 They don't tell us how, and here they actually show us how all right. They've added wooden fins that had a long gate, the body of it to make it so that they would actually be able to travel in the Harbor. That's right. I appreciated that. Yeah. I appreciate that as well. And next we get the dramatic scene, Rafe talking with the Britain RAF guy and you know, the alarms go off, call sign, I think red one. And we hear red tude red four, which of course made it because star wars that's right. They even say things like he's on my tail. I can't shake them. It's love red wine. No, of course. Star wars was based on our world war II movies. Yeah. Those dog fights. Yeah. Right. It's like I said before, what's inspiring what, depending on how you see what order you see things yeah. Speaker 3 00:42:22 Fighting in the Brendan Sanders book, just for an extra little plug Speaker 2 00:42:27 Britain's own spin on it, I guess. Yeah. So he managed to take out a couple of the guys, but then he gets one right on his tail. Oh. And there was a dropped line kind of fix the bunch of stuff. But the oil blind is still leaky. So as he's dog fighting, you know, he gets, uh, oil spray tail, you know, over his face. So there's, it starts the engine fire starts and he gets shot down. Yeah. He even has like a death spiral at one point. Speaker 3 00:42:52 And what he says as his plane is going down, he says like, oh my bud. And I felt like that is, or at least his expression relate. What do you think someone might feel if you don't ask their plane was being shot down? Speaker 2 00:43:09 Yeah. I think I thought this was well acted by Ben Affleck here. Speaker 3 00:43:12 Yeah. Yeah. I have the note that I wrote, which is only funny in retrospect, is he died a lot sooner than I thought, Speaker 2 00:43:22 Come on. You really thought he died? Speaker 3 00:43:24 No, I thought I didn't write out my feminist rights. I just read out my like random thoughts probably should have, I should have prioritized my intellectual arguments a little bit. I wrote it's less than a third of the way in when he crashed in the water. I thought that's drivable writing into the story that he shot through the window thing. But when they cut to the Josh Hartnett scene, I was like, oh, I guess he had died. Speaker 2 00:43:52 Uh, that's funny. Yeah. The part where he pulled the gun out, if it weren't for a main character, Anthony might have shot himself, which is why world war one pilots did have a gun. Speaker 3 00:44:04 Yeah. I wondered if that's where they were going with that. I'm glad it didn't frankly. But I thought that it would, that would be funny to find out the right word, uh, an odd writing choice to write in, uh, kind of an escape hatch for your main character and then not get more shadowy. Speaker 2 00:44:24 Yeah. A literal escape patch. In his case, one of the other pilots, red has a stutter. He does come play later. Speaker 0 00:44:31 And so he hooked up with one of the other nurses, Betty who's like, apparently only like 17 or eight, she lied about her age. We find that a little bit later, but just put it in here. Who lied about her age to join the Navy. Yeah. This confused me because there's a part where they were like, wow, he's really playing up that stutter. So I was like, does he actually have a stutter? Or is he just pertaining to what had made it seem like, was that okay? He has actually has a stutter, but knows how to play it. Submit, give him him sympathy so that he'd be more attracted to the women. Yeah. That eventually became clear later, including when his disability was played for hilarious laughs during the fight. I didn't think that anyways, we'll get to it. So we next go to a boxing match. Speaker 0 00:45:15 I want you to know what ship this is supposed to be, but on one of the ships and it's against, uh, Doris Miller, who is a cook on the west, Virginia, if I recall Cuba Gooding Jr. You have the part where they're like, so what's your job. And he says a cook reminded me of fin and star wars saying I work sanitation. So something I was wondering about is this is in a lot of movies where two guys are boxing and someone's like taking bets, taking pads who we got. And I want to know is how do they pay people back? Because no one, no one the beds basically. So someone has to say, I'll cover that bed and I'll yeah, no, I understand that. But like you're not writing anything down. So I feel like, I guess people had better memories back then remember like who bet for who and how much they put down. That's a lot to remember Speaker 3 00:46:01 Their books are invisible. Yeah. This was oozing with such toxic masculinity and was a, a T a hair on necessary IMO. Speaker 0 00:46:13 Could you like expand on that? The scene Speaker 3 00:46:15 In which we are endeared introduced to an endeared to Cuba, Gooding Jr's character is through a display of physical strength through boxing. And it is only because he is the underdog and yet can physically overtake another sailor. Um, that, that I, yes, we're now we're supposed to like him, um, kind of going back to some other themes that we've discussed. Um, we're supposed to like this actor because of this kind of display of masculinity. So they make it clear that this boxing scene and, you know, several times throughout, um, after, after we meet the cook, but he is physically strong and you'd think that kind of physicality, that kind of, you know, strength, training type of skill would come into play a little bit more than it does. He does do something. And we know that he's going to do something because we spent a lot of time with him getting to know him. But the focus of his character is I can, I can punch him in the face and that's why we're supposed to like him. Speaker 2 00:47:31 I disagree with that strong, not strong, but I would disagree with that point in that. And we'll get a little bit more into this, into the next scene about basically how he is just, you know, he's a cook and he joined so that he could, you know, serve his country and they made him a cook. And there's the overtones of racism cause he is a black. So our sailor, Speaker 3 00:47:51 I enjoyed that aspect of his character development. The part that I didn't necessarily think was necessary was, was the boxing because that's our introduction to him. That's our window into his, into him and into what, what everybody else, what all of the sailors, uh, think of as, as positive traits. Speaker 4 00:48:14 So it usually, I'm pretty sympathetic to your opinion, Sarah, but I would also disagree with you. And I also see toxic masculinity in other movies we've covered. But I think what we like about Dory Miller here is not that he can physically overpower the other guy, but rather that he is fighting for respect, which we talked about later. He doesn't back down from a challenge and he doesn't give up even when the odds are against him. And that's, what's endearing to him, not the fact that he can beat up somebody. That's my Speaker 3 00:48:44 Great, that makes sense. That is why I find him as airing as a character. I can't put that. Speaker 2 00:48:50 You also point out the fact that the guy who is fighting against is I think he, they can call it out. He's a mechanic, he shits rivets or something like that. So what they say, so it's more of an underdog fight necessarily. So next scene is Doris Miller getting cashed up by Evelyn. This is where we get his backstory that he, you know, like I said earlier, that he joined the Navy to join to, you know, service country, see the world and they made him a cook. He said he never even fired a gun the whole time during his training. He has basically just been, you know, there to cook and to clean up after other soldiers after they eat, then he has like, he feels like he's been put down basically, even though he's supposed to be part of the same, you know, uh, Navy. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:49:33 I mean, he was put down obviously, Speaker 4 00:49:37 Right? I get the feeling like he feels like if someone would just give him a chance to prove himself and he could get the respect that he wants, which is what happens later. Speaker 2 00:49:45 And after, after he, he gets all patched up. We next get a shot of Danny approaching her little clinic in full uniform. And you can just see from his eyes that he's come to tell her that race was dead. That's right. And so they have sweet scene where like, where they're talking about Ray, Finn, you know how he was always protecting Danny. And this is when it revealed like Evelyn knows that he volunteered for this. Whereas Danny thought that he was assigned to this. And as he, there you go, we're trying to protect you once again. Speaker 4 00:50:16 Yeah. There's a lot of telling and not showing about their relationship in this part. We really have like two scenes. One of them has kids and one of them is bros. I don't think it's a very solid foundation to build the triangle Speaker 2 00:50:27 On, in my opinion, worked for me. Speaker 3 00:50:30 Aye, aye. Feelings about the left triangle, but we'll get to that. So this is one of those moments. I'm not just sucker for it when, you know, just hurting. It told Kate back and sedans that that brave died. I really like the seed from a filmmaking perspective as dorky as that sounds, because there's just this wordless communication that happens. And it fully takes advantage of, uh, the visual medium, uh, while also packing an emotional punch. And like I said, I'm just, Speaker 2 00:51:02 And this is, I think, where we also get, like, I should have talked about this earlier, but the very, you know, that theme music that permeates this whole movie, that Speaker 2 00:51:16 Which like, yeah, it works for me. And I found out as I went to watching the credits, oh, it's hung Zimmer. Of course, that's why it works. I think I've seen other movies where people are delivered sad news and they are crying and there is no dialogue. I agree with Sarah that it works really well that way, but I also kind of feel like that way a screenwriter doesn't have to write dialogue for when someone's been told that the love of their wife just died. If that would be kind of tough to write, I don't know where you would say Speaker 3 00:51:43 That would be part, you know, tough dialogue, but writers have, have anything Speaker 2 00:51:47 Greater challenges. Yeah. That's why the other professionals, so we get a shot in a bar where they all give a toast to re photo up on the wall and, you know, have it marked as killed in action as opposed to the ones that say killed in training, which I thought was interesting. They include that. Then we go back to the, to the Japanese fleet, which is preparing to launch, they're sending out messages for the U S to intercept. They already know here's where we get our first spy action in this movie. That's right. Just like Tora, Tora, Tora. It's the mostly signals intelligence for what the Japanese are doing. Yes. Say they're going to send out messages for the J U S T intercept. They know that there can already read it, but they send it to potential targets for an attack ever in the Pacific. Speaker 2 00:52:32 And they say, and, you know, include Hawaii too, just to confuse them even further. So it's not like we're trying to say it's everywhere, but here by <inaudible> suspicion that way. And next we go to someplace familiar to all of us, deep back to DC and a building that has a giant sign that says Navy department, where is this? I like, I've never seen this before I look, get me. I think they might've just made it up for that movie. Yeah. I think I remember seeing that in spy factors versus fiction research. And so we meet our, uh, character who is basically a stand in for all of the U S Navy intelligence people who was captain Harold Thurman played by Dan Akroyd. That's right. And he's like, I'm not, I'm not buying it. I don't think it's an attack here or attack him over in the Pacific that place. So we go to three months later and the movie theater and the movie playing is the great dictator starring what's his face there on my chaplain, that's it. But before the movie, they have a news reel showing footage of planes getting shot down, which of course makes both Evelyn and Danny who are in the theater, think about race. And they both exit the theater and run into each other. Speaker 1 00:53:44 I appreciated that moment where they leave because showing that those characters were affected by seeing that you didn't just move the story along, but it teases the reality of PTSD. And so I appreciated that. I thought they would actually address it a little bit more and I'm kind of bummed that they didn't, but it turns out that that was just a plot device to get them to stand next to each other and talk, Speaker 2 00:54:15 Yeah, it doesn't need to be PTSD so serious. It's more that they saw something that reminded them of their body and their life. So they leave. It works. I don't think we were so enlightened about PTSD. Even in 2000, they run into each other. They mentioned that both have been avoiding each other. I have dinner and they started talking about rape. And then we cut over to the other soldiers who are out red is proposing to his girl, Betty. And he can't quite get it out. Yeah. But basically what everyone is getting at is life needs to go on and she needs to go on loving. And can't be sad about Ray forever. I think it's actually a pretty healthy, it's very common for people to say, oh, she's my only love. I'll never love anyone else. I think it was true in Titanic. Going back to that, how do you know since you haven't seen it, because I've heard that complaint about Titanic was this old lady who's like, yeah, I married some other guy, but I didn't really love him. Speaker 2 00:55:09 I only loved Jack who I met when I was 17. Like, sorry, her husband, I guess she didn't love you. Watch the movie. We'll see how you feel as they're having dinner or Evelyn and Danny that is spotted by the other pilots of nurses. They get a little weird about it. All right. It's time to go. But as she leaves, she forgets her handkerchief, which Danny sees grabs and then waits an inordinately long time to try to return to her probably like midnight or something. He was enduringly awkward here. Is there a way that you think about this move, Speaker 1 00:55:43 Get dinner together. And I'm like, oh no, they're going to be a couple now. And that's why back to Ben Affleck didn't sleep with her. And I thought, oh my God, that's why he didn't sleep with her so that she stays a Virgin. And so she has this special quality to her. And now I'm super angry. This movie, not that I have an issue with her on cause as Zach said, ah, that's a sign of healthy mental state for lack of a better word but these characters have not interacted with each other Speaker 3 00:56:24 At all. I do not believe their relationship at any point in this movie, I do not buy it. I do not believe that they're in love with each other. Despite the fact that with the handkerchief, he is kind of a Deering. I don't buy it. I hate that. Yeah. Previous plot decisions were made to make her virginal and perfect. And I did not care for that. On the flip side, vis-a-vis everyone telling her to move on. I thought, do you know what the person she loved died? She's allowed to take a couple of minutes, give the home girls some space to grieve everyone grieves a little bit differently. And other people pressuring her to move on. I felt was not necessarily what things should be doing. Speaker 0 00:57:10 I see. I have some thoughts. So how do you think the movie would have gone over if Danny was portrayed more as like a villain by wish I made he's like the sleazy dude who like big move on his best friend's girl, because he see that she's emotionally vulnerable. It could be a shoulder to cry on and generally comes off, not as romantic, but as like slimy. And while you're thinking about that answer, I would like to mention Cole debts, which is a mini series that we covered on my other podcast. Tuesday night gaming plug plug plug, which was about Tom Hardy and Damian Lewis are two soldiers in world war II. And Tom Hardy is stuck in prison. And Damien Lewis comes back and tells Tom Hardy's girlfriend that Tom Hardy died so that he can make a move in a much more interesting story than this one. Speaker 3 00:57:59 I think it's, I don't know how come in of a phenomenon. This is, but I think a plot has come up in this type of military love triangle has come up at a couple movies. I think coming home is the name of a movie where it, that also happened. So as, as pure speculation would be interested to know if it's as common as is portrayed in cinema. Speaker 0 00:58:28 Okay. So do you guys have any thoughts about Danny being bad? I think it would be in a completely different movie that I don't know. So that'd be interested in, I don't know. It's a different movie. Speaker 3 00:58:37 It definitely be a different movie. The dynamic would have been different from the job. Part of what's Speaker 0 00:58:45 The bromance who wouldn't have Speaker 3 00:58:47 Romance, love romance. Also Josh Hartnett, as an evil guy, I'd still buy it. I mean, looking at cute face. Speaker 0 00:58:54 Well, you would probably want to cast somebody else could play it because there's other stuff I know it's a good way to go back to Dan Akroyd with a Naval intelligence, we find out that the Japanese fleet is missing. They don't know exactly where it is. Do we next go to Danny testing him the guns on his <inaudible> and then Evelyn comes into the hanger, dressed it in a like very fancy dress. Speaker 2 00:59:22 She's looking good. All the guys are acting awkward. Actually. They make comments about how you like you shouldn't be dating your best friends, your, your dead friends gal one says, you know, I'd come back to life so fast. If someone did that to me. Yeah. It's already communicated to him that maybe this isn't such a good idea. Even if rape doesn't come back from the dad, Speaker 3 00:59:42 I don't buy it. At this point in the movie, they've interacted with each other for 0.2 seconds and see no chemistry Speaker 2 00:59:50 Is bad as much interaction at this point as a Rafe. And Evelyn did in the beginning of the movie, when we like we were introduced, when we are introduced to them, Speaker 3 01:00:03 You might recall. I did not care for that. Speaker 2 01:00:07 Fair enough. Yeah. That's not uncommon in movies. I actually thought it was interesting that Danny and Evelyn spend more time together. Like in deep space, like in the real world is supposed to let her writing then Evelyn and Rafe dad takes it. Evelyn flying. They see pro Harbor at sunset from the air, which is beautiful. A star Fox. And does a barrel roll. Yeah. I was going to bring up a star Fox, a few dead ends and you know, hot go and hide in the parachute hanger and up kissing and then have sex in the parachute hanger. Speaker 3 01:00:38 The parachute hanger itself maybe actually laughed out loud, you know, uh, imagining that on a military base. I mean, it was, the set was beautiful. I don't think any military hangar, Speaker 2 01:00:56 Uh, well it's all Michael bay movie, no matter where it takes place. Yeah. Yeah. So then we go to the morning after where they're, you know, feeling kind of awkward around each other. Not sure how they're feeling necessarily, but Danny is like, you know, I really like you and oh, okay. You know, why not give this a try? This can be a new start for us in this new place. Yeah. The note I have is that I was not sure about her feelings, which is fair enough. Speaker 3 01:01:22 I think is this when he's gushing about how excited he is about her, is that was admittedly quite endearing and take notes, or you would like for Sarah, this worked for you. This worked for me. Speaker 2 01:01:37 Okay, interesting. I've heard it before from other sources back to the spy stuff we have, the Japanese are sending, you know, uh, Japanese spy to Oahu, like books and Eric tour of Oahu. And he has like a camera hidden in a cave in a case that he like gets photos of Pearl Harbor from the air, sends those photos back to Japan. It's just like Paul Rodan in the catcher was a spy. Yeah. Yeah. Next we get what I'm just going to call the love montage, where they have all these beautiful shots of them and Hawaii's swimming and spending time with each other. And I like this part where the car is stuck in the sand, but then at the end of it, Evelyn is in the bathroom for a very time. But to the Navy department, they're looking for the Japanese fleet, uh, captain Thurman, uh <inaudible> is saying he has a theory about where the going and he thinks it'd be pro Harbor. And when they ask, why is this well, it's what I would do. Speaker 1 01:02:35 I really liked the description of intelligence as playing chess in the dark. I thought that was a really nice visual. There are, there are, There are blink and you'll miss it like intelligence analysts sections. And it felt like every so often the director was like, we need to foreshadow some war stuff. And then they'd come back with the actual movie. Speaker 2 01:03:02 Yeah. Compared to Tora Tora, Tora, where there'd be a whole scene about a specific thing or this, they just mentioned it and then move on it. Also, the thing about playing chess, the dark reminded me of other movies we've covered where it's about judgment calls like 13 days and zero dark 30. But when it comes to a war, suddenly it becomes much more precious about decisions made on a very short term. Speaker 1 01:03:25 Is this the scene where it ends with like gore, go get me more intelligence. Yeah. I agree that they shouldn't make such a huge decision on functionally spidey sense, but it is that guy's job to make decisions based on limited information. And I thought, go get me more information or whatever it was was kind of dumb command Speaker 2 01:03:55 You're right. Yeah. Denmark, are you? It says, yes, we're trying. I think it shows the disconnect between the analysts and their bosses, where their boss is just one more of everything. If you don't care what it takes to get it. So we go back to the Japanese fleet, they're preparing to launch it's intercut with Pearl Harbor, get this Japanese dentist who's in Oahu who can see pro Harbor outside of his window, gets a call from Japan. He's not sure who it is. And they're asking questions about how many ships are there. What's the weather like, and this is all intercepted. Uh, and it was actually a young Japanese translator. Who's like into something to call and translate. As they say, he's not a spy. He's just asking around. They also say, are there a flat ships carriers? He says, no. So this scene was really interesting for a few reasons. Speaker 2 01:04:42 So first I was surprised that we never got to see the consequences of it. Like I thought he was going to get arrested and thrown in prison. The fact that it didn't really go anywhere. It makes me kind of wonder why it was there in the movie. I mean, I was glad to have more spice stuff and less romance stuff. So as much as that as possible, it's nice. Also this reminds me of a book called talking to strangers by Malcolm Gladwell. And one of the things that he points out is there's the default truth where even if it's weird that someone calls you up and starts asking you things outside of your window, it wouldn't occur to you that this guy's a spy, because how often would you ever meet a like in real life? So you're just going to answer his questions, especially back in the more innocent time of the 1940s ALEKS, we get this scene where we find out that Rafe is actually alive. Danny gets like a telegrams from him saying it was the first that he could get word out. So Danny doesn't tell everyone right away. Right. She just gets surprised. I think he finds out pretty much the same time as she does. Speaker 3 01:05:41 I think so. And neither one of them look happy. I just put a jump into the screen and tell them, just be happy for two seconds. This individual who you are both very close to you thought was dead. Isn't dead. Be happy for two seconds. You can deal with your relationship drama in a minute. Someone whose you thought was dead has come back to life. Let's celebrate, let's live in the present. And let's celebrate that for a minute before focusing on relationship alone, Speaker 2 01:06:15 To be fair, they probably are happy, but they also have just very confused feelings about it on a whole. Yeah. It's like, what does this mean for us? I guess it's a little bit self-indulgent that they're like, oh, how does this affect me? Rather than if I tell them, Speaker 3 01:06:30 I guess my, my point is that that perfectly reasonable feeling. But I would hope that that wouldn't be my first feeling. I would hope my first feeling. Wouldn't be, oh, no. Now what am I going to do about my relationship? It's going to be all, thank God you're alive. Speaker 2 01:06:50 I feel like it's more of just a general shock to like it. Cause they definitely thought he was dead. And so if you see someone who you think was dead, especially for Evelyn, I get the feeling like she sees him and she thinks it's like, she's hallucinating. That's pretty shocking. Think that I don't actually, I don't know how either of you are going to answer this, but team Danny or team race is neither an option. Speaker 3 01:07:12 I've thought about it. And I have a good answer. And the reason is circumstance of the relationship. Um, it was funny as I was watching the movie, I was like, am I hashtag great? Um, from a, from a who? I like better perspective. That's a different question. If they were both in front of me, who would I pick is a different question then, given the circumstances that they found themselves in. Because again, I didn't think that, you know, we had to eat a whole lot of relationship development. Um, so I don't have a good answer yet. Speaker 2 01:07:51 We'll answer the other question then the one that you proposed, Speaker 3 01:07:55 But I pick yeah. If it were me, uh, I do have an answer. What guess? Speaker 2 01:08:01 I don't know, actually go well. Okay. Well be all the way I thought you were going to say rave because Danny and her have no chemistry. Speaker 3 01:08:15 That's why it's a different question. Like at this moment in time in the movie, who do I want her with? Uh, that's a different kind of question then who ultimately do I think is a better, like who would I pick up two of them? I think that's a different question. I would pick Danny. Cause I just general find him more endearing. I liked that he was willing to be vulnerable. I like the kind of, sheepishness sort of paired with a confidence. I'm being very revealing about fellows. Whereas anyway, so I would pick any, yeah, the classic American, like captain America, like do goodery type thing. Speaker 2 01:09:03 I was stuck. I wasn't talking about at this moment, but I figured this isn't a good moment since you have both of them now alive, I figured this is a good mode to just ask. Speaker 3 01:09:12 Yeah. That's I knew it was funny. It was at this point in the movie that I thought about it and I had this, I had this dilemma within myself. This is an interesting question. Speaker 2 01:09:25 This is a great example of something that I see a lot in movies now that I caught onto it. Depictions of men, especially when there's romance involved is there as Luke Skywalker's and there's Han solo. Yeah. Okay. So Luke Skywalker is really nice, but kind of boring and Han solo is kind of a deck, but he's like exciting and fun. And all the ladies love as someone who relates to Luke Skywalker, how dare you? Well, come on. It's true. Speaker 3 01:09:51 Luke Skywalker. So I also think that, I mean, I won't get into my star wars who should end up with who, but it's controversial and the Luke Skywalker kind of girl. Speaker 2 01:10:06 Yeah. I'm picking up on that. But I will say that I appreciate that this movie actually didn't chicken out and it had Evelyn Baker choice, which is what I was expecting. Speaker 3 01:10:15 I don't think she did make a choice. I mean, she, she didn't get it. She didn't get, make the choice. Cause she, she didn't have any agency in her life decision. She wants to raise a kid with steroids. Speaker 2 01:10:31 Yeah. I suppose that's true. Actually, when you put it that way, let's get there. We got the whole battle to get through. Speaker 3 01:10:40 Oh my God. I'm so sorry. Speaker 2 01:10:43 Oh no, it's fine. I mean, I'm the one who broached this topic of who? Speaker 3 01:10:49 That was a more interesting question than what I asked earlier, which is who, your favorite Churchill. Speaker 2 01:10:55 We all have questions. We want to know the answers to, uh, we go back to the Japanese fleet and they're picking up radio from Honolulu and they make the point of all right. If there was any suspicion, we would hear about it on the radio. And we next go to eight Tiki bar where Rafe is seeing the, of his pilot friends. And you can see that he's had a few already, he's telling war stories, but then also starts making comments once he sees Danny there. But how Danny was good enough to take care of his girls? Like, Ooh, I'm not liking this. He is real good. Yeah. And Speaker 3 01:11:32 We didn't, I didn't get to hear your hashtag team any or Speaker 2 01:11:37 Is neither an option. Yeah. Or I would have preferred neither, but I would agree with you that Danny is better. Ben Affleck is, came off as like a frat bro and this movie, which I did not find very attractive. Yeah. I mean, especially here at this moment, punches Danny and this starts a whole bar fight. And then we get basically the only Hawaiian person in the movie at all. Who's the bartender who calls for the MPS. Yeah. That didn't occur to me. But that is true. Yep. Yep. That's a good point. I mean, we did at least have other Asian people in the movie who were not the Japanese. Neither when we get names. Yeah. None of them are the people like people of color in Hawaii or other than Cuba, Gooding Jr. Officer. But you get names, they at least get lines, but they don't have names. So we have yeah. Then the interpreter, we have the Japanese, uh, dentist, and then we have yeah. The Hawaiian bartender. So the MPS arrived. They break out of the fight, Danny Ray say, oh, they're gonna throw us in the break. Let's get outta here. So they at least have a left sense to get out of there and are still trying to fight each other. Yeah. They go from drunk and fighting to drunk driving good times. So they drive out of there and then we get very dramatic calendar flip. Speaker 3 01:12:53 That calendar flipping was very dramatic. Speaker 2 01:12:59 Again, it's a Michael bay movie. Yeah. Speaker 3 01:13:01 I did not know going into it that it was a Michael bay movie at the end when his name came up, I was like, oh yeah, that makes sense. That tracks. Speaker 2 01:13:09 Yeah. Yeah. That's funny. He's not a peak Michael bay yet. I think that was, was already with like bad boys, bad boys too. This is him actually toning it down. It definitely is toned down compared to other Michael. And then he goes back up to peak with transformers, Speaker 3 01:13:25 Transformers. I could finish Speaker 2 01:13:26 The movie. We next go to a Japanese pilot. Who's like writing a letter back to his family. I appreciate it. Essentially, as you get some personality into the Japanese pilots, this is also when we see scary drums or rather think they're scary drones. I think they're just like Japanese drums, like Tyco drums, Sarah tiebreaker. I don't remember the drugs. Okay, fine. I remember I'll give you a drum drums, not scary drums. They're fine. Speaker 3 01:13:55 Feeling sprayed. I do remember thinking that the depiction, they tried to make it multi-dimensional, but I think it was a little bit, one note. It felt like the movie wanted Speaker 1 01:14:11 Us to have their reaction. Oh, these are bad guys who leave that sacrificing themselves for their country is bad. But we in the United States also honor our military too. And I think it's, uh, an example of more cultural othering and a lack of understanding that Speaker 2 01:14:31 I saw I had the exact opposite reaction is that I actually liked that they had got some personality in that or not personality, but like had some insight into them and their viewpoints and them drinking Soccet before they fly and the tying of their headbands. So I saw, as you know, you gave me some ears, just seeing at least a little bit of what their thought process was. Speaker 1 01:14:51 That is interesting. Cause I took as like, oh, so they're identifying the enemy by this headwear. And we know these are bad plans. Cause there was a Japanese flag on it. Pick it that's okay. Speaker 2 01:15:04 That is what their design was. Speaker 1 01:15:08 I wonder if the perspective that I came to it with was partially from my middle east background and learning. There's a fine line between saying that you understand the culture and otherizing it. Like I remember one class I took about middle east culture, quote unquote was, you know, showing someone the bottom of your feet is rude. So don't like put feet up on your desk or whatever. That's what it is in middle Eastern culture. I thought, Hmm. That's kind of rude in American culture group. Well, take a breath and take a second before, you know, have, have a second of introspection. The military, you know, came up a lot, all of these it's those people that are willing to sacrifice themselves and that's bad when they do it, but it's a good one. We do it. So that's, uh, that's the perspective and baggage that I, I brought to this Speaker 2 01:16:06 Wondering what you would have thought of Tora Tora Tora. Now actually, because that movie is pretty much a half Japanese, half American production. And so you get equal time with both sides, but it comes sort of at the expense of any sort of characterization of anyone, right. That sort of reminds me of a conversation I had with a guy from Tunisia. And he talked about how introduce you. The military is not respected. It's seen as that's where all the screw ups go, who can't find a job somewhere else. And they basically just do what the government tells them to do as opposed to free independent thinkers, like people who are not in the military. So it's quite a contrast to Americans, especially in a post nine 11 era back to the movie. So they, yeah, they tied their headbands around their heads and they launched the planes. There's a lot of excitement. And we next go to our two radar operators who we met last week in corridor Torah, they're picking up a large signal to largely be just one plane. So they call it up the chain and the guy who answered the phone and says, oh, that's probably just the fleet of B seventeens. That's coming in from the mainland. I did like Speaker 4 01:17:10 How the guy was like, that's a lot of <inaudible>, but she did not stay in Tora, Tora, Tora. Speaker 2 01:17:15 That's all very real. And we get to go to an RO Kimmel playing golf and we fail. And as he's playing golf, he gets a notification that one other destroyers sunk a miniature submarine, uh, trying to enter pro Harbor, which we did see last week in Tora Tora Tora is where a lot of the stuff that is from torture is going to actually start overlapping from what we saw here. And we next go back to Dan Akroyd, who's decrypting a message, which she says, you know, destroy the all decoder machines after he received this message. And he's like, oh, the Japanese are intakes. Anticipating war that just anticipating one activity from grant runs out and next we get zeroes. Japanese paints are called zeros or at least the fighters, the bombers are called something else. If I recall, I don't know what they're called, but they're flying through the island. We actually see a shot of them flying through cool Lowell ranch, which is on the wrong side of the island for them. If they're flying in from the north. That's all right. Cool. Ranch is famous for a lot of stuff filming there, including dress park. Okay. Got it. Speaker 4 01:18:20 So there was the contrast here where the planes fly by boy Scouts and a baseball, Speaker 2 01:18:26 The baseball field I've met. I think I looked at it once and I don't think it was a baseball field where it's portrayed that there's this like right near the base. And I think the nearest baseball field is one near my house. So I've always sort of imagined, all right. If this was the actual scene, it would have been the baseball field going up to my head, the hill to my islands or to my house since I live right on the mountain behind pro Harbor, Speaker 3 01:18:50 I can be a baseball field from my window. Is that the same baseball field? Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, the reason why Speaker 4 01:18:59 The baseball field is because in history buffs, which is the YouTube video I used for Spotify versus fiction last week, he pointed to this as one of the examples of like the flag-waving patriotism of Pearl Harbor, because in contrast to our Torah, it was Asia. Speaker 2 01:19:14 Right? Right. So plantation workers, Speaker 4 01:19:18 Right. There is a contrast there. I don't really see a baseball game and boy Scouts as like flag-waving patriotism. I didn't really see where he was coming from on that. Speaker 2 01:19:26 That will give you that. Yes. It would have been nice to actually show actual, like I, like I said before, very little actual Asian characters, even though Hawaii was largely populated by Asian immigrants, especially with plantation workers at that time. So I can kind of see it. But also I just like the reaction of the ordinary people seeing planes and what's going on and we go back to, uh, captain Thurman, uh, I think it's my note here says hostilities imminent, but I don't remember who gets this message. Speaker 3 01:20:01 I wrote what I'm getting isn't auto. Correct? Because I wrote broken period Speaker 2 01:20:08 Hostilities imminent. Oh yes, yes. That is him decrypting more, uh, stuff. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a teletype thing. Yeah. I remember that. So Evelyn is still asleep in her house. Apparently she slept on the couch that night because she was so stressed out. But that is a nice house that they've left. Right. Well, it's like all of the nurses live in that one house, but yes, it is a nice house. Speaker 0 01:20:29 They almost certainly would have been living in some kind of barracks or military housing in real life. Speaker 2 01:20:33 I mean the military housing in Hawaii is pretty nice. Oh man. Okay. Right. Speaker 0 01:20:40 Is that just the five or cell? Speaker 2 01:20:44 Yeah. And we go to D Doris Miller. Who's serving the captain, his food. And the captain tells me, you know, we're proud of the ships proud of you son. Yeah. The cabinets. So nice. So next we get a bunch of shots of like all the sailors seeing like the planes flying in and, and then there's also Rafe and Danny half asleep in the car. There's a photographer taking shots of just the water though or something nearby. Speaker 0 01:21:08 And the photographer looked really familiar. Um, I think he's been in like comedy movies. I don't remember his family and I don't really care to look it up. I'm just saying he looks familiar to me. Speaker 2 01:21:21 And then so yeah, we have the planes, you know, approaching battleship row. And one of them launches a torpedo and two guys who are on the outside of the ship, like cleaning it or watch it as it approaches the ship and hits their shot. Following the torpedo was actually kind of a cool oh yeah. Speaker 0 01:21:42 Yeah. It was cool. The computer has seemed to go too slowly in the movie. I feel like it would've gone faster in real life. Speaker 2 01:21:48 Yeah. I mean, it's probably moving faster than we think side of the island with all the planes coming in. Oh yeah. That is after I watched this movie, I watch re-watch the trailer. Cause I very clearly remember the trailer and also the music video for faith Hills. There you be, which was like the basically equivalent of that song from a Titanic by Celine Dion for this movie that too. Well, no, because it's not like top gun where they played the opening of that every, you know, 10 minutes. But they do incorporate the, you know, the main theme from the movie into the, into that, into their you'll be. But, uh, but that shot of all the planes coming in, like just like seeing the island is like the first shot of that trailer. So it's a very iconic shot as is another shot that we'll get to not too far. Speaker 0 01:22:42 Yeah. Michael bay movies are always good on the visual side and this is no exception. Speaker 2 01:22:46 Yeah. So they, everyone gets wakes up from that. They get to their battle stations, refund Danny, or like wake up when they hear the explosion and they all jump into the car. The photographer says that he's from like the Navy newsreel, Admiral Kimmel sees the planes going in. And then we get to probably the most iconic shot from this movie where the Japanese bomber has a little like card of the Arizona. He's looking through his scope and then we see him launch it and we follow the bomb as it goes down into the Arizona. And it hits the deck PHS through the deck, hits the munitions storage. That's right. It doesn't detonate right away though. One of his friends is there and she like sees it right before he dies, which is ended just explodes. And it's a huge explosion. Right? So the photographer whose name, I don't, I really am surprised that he does not have a name. I'm not there already. So many other characters. He's like taking photo footage. They get over to the HR field. And it's only at this point that Evelyn wakes up and they see all the devastation, like, all right, we need to get moving. Speaker 3 01:23:53 They did tell us very high lack of readiness, like a surprising lack of Naval readiness. And I know that exposition was supposed to be there, but are we really ever that paired? Like people were just like chilling, reading the newspaper. Wow. Speaker 2 01:24:17 From Tora, Tora, Tora, we actually see. And what you're supposed to be a pretty accurate depiction of what's happened. Like people on a Sunday, people are gone home or like on a weekend. No, one's there like people gone home at noon. So in a way, yes. It seems pretty authentic. Yeah. Yeah. That's correct. So read the stutterer is trying to wake up everyone else, like he's like, he's up, he sees the planes out the window. His stutter is interfering with him, trying to wake up. Everyone saying that yeah, the Japanese are here. So do you think this was supposed to be funny the same slightly or just slightly dramatic irony? Yeah. It could be that too. This is when Doris Miller finds his captain. Who's been heavily injured. He's telling, giving me instructions, you know, make sure that my Xcel knows that he's in command now and then giving all these other restrictions and disease like, and Doris Miller is just like, you know, you trained as well. Everyone's where they need to be. And then the captain dies. If this were a star Trek, he would've been like Doris Miller. You're in charge. Now enterprise's yours. But no, this is real well a version of real life. And they follow the chain of command. Yup. You see some planes that are shooting up the hospital and they're firing on the nurses who are trying to get to their, to their station. Speaker 3 01:25:33 Um, so I asked with, I think this is much more of a waving flag moment, the shot of the kids and the baseball team. When everyone starts running to their stations, they're running straight into danger, literally through gunfire, people are dying on the way. Um, both, you know, men in uniform and the nurses are running. Uh, we're watching people die, try to protect else. Ben Aflac, who as a character, uh, almost died in a very similar situation and is just itching to get back on a plane. And that's why is, Speaker 0 01:26:16 Well, you're stealing words from Alec Guinness or I keep saying elegant is Alec Baldwin later in the movie. Yeah. The love triangle is like almost completely forgotten about, which is good. I'm glad. Like, because in this moment, all of that falls away and it should like you're in the middle of a war. You're not going to be worrying about that. Hopefully if you are, then you're just really petty and you should not be there really petty worried about the love of your life, dying in the middle of a war. I think they could have played it off so that it's not you. One more romance. I'm not saying that I wanted it. I'm just surprised that it wasn't. Speaker 3 01:26:58 I appreciate it. That the focus was on rallying around the flag that felt appropriate, but you're right. They could have, they could've made poor choices. Speaker 0 01:27:08 So I was going to mention this later, but I guess I could mentioned now is something, I think that the reason why this movie is so derided is that it doesn't commit to being a love story or a war movie. If that makes sense. I think the title caused a lot of resentment because people went to Pearl Harbor expecting to be a movie about Pearl Harbor, not the love triangle, if they called it something else. And you went in expecting it to be about a lot of triangle that happened to be taking place during Pearl Harbor. I think it would have been much better received. Well, maybe a little better. Speaker 3 01:27:39 This section of the movie feels like a Pearl Harbor movie and they don't shy away from showing the destruction and death. And you know, our newspaper, Fred, you see have Diane Greene and the, the battle sequence goes on really long time, much longer than I had expected even yeah. Speaker 0 01:28:05 Pilots. Yeah. Trying to get to their planes, but the zeroes blow up a lot of planes. And then finally re refund Danny arrive in near-field. And this is also where we get Doris Miller gets his big moment. You know, he sees the, someone getting sh you know, on the guns, he gets killed and he jumped us up on the guns. And he is, well, it's clear that he has no training in using this gun because he's not firing in bursts. He's just pulling the hammer down, keeping the hammer down, pulling that trigger. And he does end up shooting down. One of the planes though, I would have liked a little bit more clarity that he wasn't trained on the gun. You can tell from it, Speaker 3 01:28:45 They said, or he said, I should say, Speaker 0 01:28:47 I've never had an affair. Yeah. Oh, that's true. That's true. So he's just in this moment. This is, yeah. He's, you know, stepping in to fill a need because he is a hero, I guess Speaker 2 01:29:02 Also during this seat is where we get a sighting of a dog on the West Virginia. And I'm like, oh no, this dog, oh, no, I am invested in this dog. Don't die dog. It's like the document dependence tag. So the nurses finally get into the hospital and they're trying to get the patients away from the window as they, like, she shelter them with the mattresses, from the beds. And as they get bombed this scene, we go back to the airfield. Uh, w one of our pilot, other characters, Billy gets a bomb, drops like right next to him, but it takes a while it doesn't blow up immediately. And he's like, no, it's a done. And then boom, he's, he's gone. Speaker 1 01:29:40 Yeah. I think that would have hit a little bit harder if we didn't just have that happen on the Arizona. Speaker 2 01:29:45 Hmm. With Tori's friends, we've known Billy A. Little bit better. Speaker 1 01:29:50 The shock that it's actually, Speaker 2 01:29:53 Oh yeah. I was minuscule amount better. So we see the Oklahoma is turning over. It's starting to sink as a sailor who can't swim, which is not out of the ordinary at this time. That's right. And he's like saying, Hey, I can't swim. I can't. And this is where I would have sworn the, at least one of you had seen Titanic before. So I could start making these comparisons because this is where you get the heavy Titanic comparisons with like the ships turning over. And people like sliding down the decks. It's very reminiscent of Titanic, but also probably of how a ship actually sinks. Speaker 1 01:30:29 I've been trying to really quickly think of a substantive comparison I've made that. I was like, yeah, that was a good comparison. Can't think of one Speaker 2 01:30:36 Danny and Ray, get in the car, apparently that the air airfield that, uh, Earl is that hasn't been hit yet. And so this is where I start to realize, oh, these are supposed to be those two characters in Tora, Tora who drive off the Holly Eva to get their planes in a car and like go over to get there themselves up in the air. So they drive over and then we get some more shots of like sailors who are trapped in the ship. We get the American flag in the water hashtag not subtle at all. Well, it's just interesting that I just came out pre nine 11, cause that's, I mean, it's, uh, I feel like if this movie had come out in the post nine 11 world would have gotten a different reception. It may be like, okay, now we'd probably people would still do it. But at the, in that moment, it would probably be more critically acclaimed with that, with all the patriotism that you know, is you just surging through this mood. Speaker 1 01:31:30 It's funny that you mentioned nine 11 again, because watching the sequence of events, that absolute destruction, it was kind of hard to watch. And it very much reminded me of the day of nine 11 were screaming. There was jumping off things that were brave men. And when running towards danger, um, it felt reminiscent of an event that hadn't happened yet. Yeah. But it worked so for you. Speaker 3 01:31:59 Yeah. This part had, um, so I mentioned, I've had a whole host of feelings about this movie. I mentioned that they spent more time than I would have thought on the destruction, I guess makes sense. In a movie called Pearl Harbor, that a chunk of the film would be dedicated or there, but it feels like it's sort of whatever the opposite of romanticized is, um, felt gritty. And I felt meaningful. The fact that I said that about a Michael a movie, and that I said that about a movie that I've criticized. So harshly anti feminist, and I'm like, felt things inside when I saw these people dying go America. That's what I was feeling. Speaker 2 01:32:46 I mean, yeah, quite the contrast. So FDR gets word about the attack happening and they're like, how bad is it? And say, it's still not over right. Churchill back to the hospital, Athens kind of taking charge here. She saves a man by applying pressure to his neck wound because his ardor like basically puts his, her fingers in his artery to clog the blood. So we got to stop it. Like keep people keep at this point, ask you for him or not people doctors keep asking, but he missed that. He was, I was like, what is a hemostat? Apparently it's a clamp to control bleeding, Danny and Rae finally get to the airfield with Errol. And like, everyone gets a bunch of guns. They hide in a, uh, you, I guess, a bunker of sorts or not. What would that be? Exactly. Not a bunker where they're hiding with all the sandbags piled up. Speaker 2 01:33:39 Yeah. I think you're just saying that hide behind sandbags, hiding behind sandbags. Yeah. Right. Because the planes are going past and they're like, we don't want to draw attention to us yet because we aren't ready yet hide. And you can see goose with like this giant gun. And it looks like he's like, he's going to fire. Actually. Carolyn, when he's watching is like, she's definitely going to fire there because she can see it. But it's been a long time. The idea you could take down a plane with rifles is pretty silly. I mean, to say, it's never been done by the way they do it in the movie. Doesn't seem so plausible zeroes come to shoot up the field and they hit a bunch of the planes. They sell it for to get shot at this camera. You use the real footage of her. Camera's still going. And actually like is like, goes to him like dead in front of it was like, whoa, that's dark. But Danny and Ray finally get into the Plains. And then like, there's another pilot. Cause it was four planes that are able to go, go up, uh, Japanese shoot up. One of them and Danny and Ray and Joe get in to other other planes. And I'm like, who's Joe, we've never met Joe before. Oh, Carolyn's like, oh, he's definitely going to die to, Joe goes first. Speaker 3 01:35:00 We're going to go up in the air. And because our two characters that we care deeply about, and the third Speaker 2 01:35:07 Really Speaker 3 01:35:08 Very clearly red shirt and you're like, oh, well Mark Moore, he's definitely going to die. And the fact that he goes first, right? Speaker 2 01:35:15 The fact that he's named Joe maybe wonder like, was he just one of the crew before this? And I just wasn't paying attention. Nope. I remember most of the other pilots. He's not one of them. Maybe it was a deleted scene where there's stuff like that. This is what I usually put it down to. Or he's just the red shirt instead of recky. Yeah. So finally get into the air this. And so it's like bam, versus a bunch of other of zeros. They split them up. Speaker 3 01:35:40 The two of them are getting into the plane. Like I said before, I'm really into the real cheesy bromance. And they were like, we got you. And the other one was like, I don't do. And uh, I, I enjoyed that. Speaker 2 01:35:52 Uh, this is where like, yeah, the, the bromance works here where despite everything else that's going on between the two of them, they're still wingmen and they're still going to support each other and help each other. Yeah. There's tons of star wars style dialogue here. We got Danny, you got three on my sex. I can't shake him. He literally says I can't shake him. And then you're come the subtitles again. This, someone says it's a long son of a gun and someone else has, let's get this backstabber. Yeah. Well, I prefer those than the racial slurs. They keep throwing at the Japanese. So they split them up a rapist shouts over or over the radio to Earl you'll get the guns in the tower. And so they're getting them up. And then right, Danny and Rafe play chicken callback to the beginning and they take that lesson, like, you know, go as pretty much as close as they can before they turn, which like takes out three of those planes, Speaker 3 01:36:45 The chicken that they played in the air, this scene, the coordinated effort. I love that. Speaker 2 01:36:53 And this is going to sound great here. Speaker 3 01:36:55 Yeah. Yeah. And the, you know, not to like military nerd out too much, but like the coordinated effort and the strategy and the tactics, like that's what makes our military the best hashtag not Scott. Speaker 2 01:37:12 They bring a bunch of those zeros past the control tower where Earl has finally got him in red and goose it up in there. So they lure the planes past the tower. They take down one of the planes that way. And then they head over to battleship row. And at this point it sounds like pirates of the Caribbean music <inaudible> Speaker 3 01:37:34 The music definitely did get more jovial is the first word that comes to mind is probably not an appropriate word from death to, yeah, we can do it. Um, but in music form, Speaker 2 01:37:49 I think they take out a few planes there and there's one guy in the one or who showed up, shouting out <inaudible>. Yeah. I distinctly remember that from even the first or second time I saw this movie, which I don't get set at the top. I've saw this movie twice in theaters and I've seen it a number of times on DVD Blu-ray et cetera. Yeah. That part's very, Michael bay seemed to like something out of transformers. I know that you'd like, that's not meant as like a Dick. It seems like Speaker 1 01:38:19 It seemed like something I would do on my cat. Hey Speaker 2 01:38:24 Yeah. America. So we go back to Japanese fleet where Colonel cheetah reports that there has been a successful attack, but cancels the third wave, which again is, we don't get an explanation here, but it's because he doesn't want to risk, you know, too much and figures that this is a good time to withdraw reef. And Danny land back at the airfield is a really cheesy, but works for me. Part where Earl is like, who taught you how to fly the Danny's like he did. And then Ray has the very dramatic posing when he's coming out of his plane. And I was like, oh, well, this actually reminds me of that part in the age of heroes where someone says, who taught you how to shoot? You said you did Joel Sergeant and everyone makes fun of them, but this is not making fun of this is pure hero pose like, oh, America Rafe. Speaker 2 01:39:19 And Danny's heroic movement is over, but this is where really Evelyn actually gets somebody to do here. This fork from a lot, they don't have anything to mark with. So she's like thinking of things of what to use. So they should, you know, grabs her lipstick and use it to mark. Like who's had Morphin and who hasn't had morphine, the M on the forehead thing. They also do that in band of brothers. But they, you use the guy's blood to do it. So as much as we love Evelyn, she didn't come up with the idea of putting an album on someone's forehead. They ran out of tryna kids, but someone has tried as she takes off her stocking and gives it to the doctors that use this. And they send her out to do triaged and like mark, basically only people only send in people who can be saved. She has to make that judgment call or a fee. And if they're too far gone, don't even bother sending them in. Yeah. Which is Speaker 1 01:40:07 Hard. That's hard. Speaker 2 01:40:09 Yeah. There's a part here where someone comes up to Avalon and he's like, am I going to be okay? Am I going to die? She's like, don't worry. You'll be fine. Then she walks away and says, he's not going to make it. Was that supposed to be funny? No. Yeah. I didn't think so. But the way it was like timed don't think, I don't think it was time. I think it was more, I didn't get to be humorous at all. I think it was trying to be just like serious and like, you know, all right. Yes. We're telling you something, but the reality is you're going to die. Oh, okay. Speaker 1 01:40:36 Yeah. Yeah. I think it was supposed to show her caring for everybody in the way that she could. Cause they think it's the same patient I'm thinking of. She said to somebody else, you know, give him morphine and make it comfortable. Speaker 2 01:40:49 Yeah. You have enough. She says, I think the line is like, do you have enough morphine to make him comfortable? Cause he's not going to make it. Oh yeah. Yeah. There we go. This is also the part of the Asian doctor, which was actually one of my favorite parts in the movie because you don't know because, okay. So what happens is one of the soldiers is like, I don't repeat exactly what he says, but he says something very hostile to this Asian doctor because he thinks he's Japanese. So what I liked about it was it felt very real. It felt like the kind of thing that really would have happened at the time. Yeah. Yeah. It was subtle in a way that Michael bay movies almost never are there. Okay. Yeah. Like the porn Tora, Tora Tora with the messenger delivery, boy, it was a hint of things to calm and foreshadowing for the real world. Speaker 2 01:41:33 But it wasn't like a big dramatic moment. It was very fast to move on to the next thing. Yeah. Yeah. Um, someone is bringing bodies to Evelyn and she says, I just found her and it's Betty Red's fiance and sh and she like, well actually she, even before she knows it's Betty, she's the automated. He says, no, she's already dead. And then like, they re make the dramatic reveal. That's Betty. And then, uh, Jennifer, Garner's their tune is like, no, you should double check. No, she's dead. We need to keep moving. And this is where like Jennifer Garner has like slightly like probably the most traumatic part of her performance where she's just like drops into the, I don't know what to do now. She was freaking out a little bit earlier too, but you can use to freak out here. So we go back over to battleship row where it's completely devastated. They're trying to save anyone who's left. Also. We find out that the dog is alive. I was so invested. Like when you just see the dogs swimming up and goes back to his owners. Oh, the dog's alive. Yeah. Speaker 1 01:42:32 I liked that. They showed that the dog made at the end Speaker 2 01:42:36 Go, Tang backs up running theme of, of these movies for you. Sarah is, were Doug movies. First Sergeant stubby. Now this dog is at war. There you go. Speaker 1 01:42:47 Dogs and war in feminist. Speaker 2 01:42:51 So Admiral Kimmel finally gets a message, says attacked by Japan and considered imminent. And it's like, wow, they're only an hour late now. Very ironic. And there's a scene where Doris Miller is on one of the boats and he sees the flag of the Arizona, like fishes it out of the water, which made me think, wait, he wasn't on the Arizona. Right. He was on the West Virginia. Speaker 1 01:43:12 He was on the Arizona. So, um, because of the way that the editing happened, I thought he was in Arizona. And then it was confused after, cause we saw him at dirt. Speaker 2 01:43:25 Your confusion is probably because a lot of the battleships use the same ship for filming. They just swapped out like the life preservers with the names on them. So it's hard to tell them apart, but of course they're all also going to be executive thing. Cause they're all battleships. Yeah. Right. But yeah. So he fishes the Arizona's flag out of the water, like holds it tight, which I guess is more for like, not because he was on that ship because of all the souls that were lost on that ship. Anyways, we go back to add real with uh, with the Japanese fleet. This is where we get his sleeping giant quote, which is probably never happened. Yeah. You probably never actually said it. We go back to Evelyn, who's exhausted. She's working so hard. And Danny and Ray come to give like, say, what can we do? I was like, we need blood. So they give their blood in Coke bottles. As they're doing this, they see a priest giving last rites to a bunch of soldiers who are dying, soldier run in and say, you know, there are men trapped in the Harbor. We need every, every man who could stand, they're trying to cut through this. Speaker 2 01:44:25 Like they're trying to cut through the hole, but they, you know, the cutters aren't working fast enough. They're reaching out through, you only see their hands reaching out through the hole that they've cut so far, Danny and Rae for like holding their hands as the water's rising. And then the hand stopped reaching back. Speaker 1 01:44:42 That was how was, how would you make a new watch? That, that was, yeah. Speaker 2 01:44:48 I can. I remember how I felt what I saw that the first time in the theaters and I mean, it loses none of its impact actually, even though I've seen it probably upward of 10 times, I this, yeah. Speaker 1 01:45:01 Not only do you see them drowning, you see the hands and they're holding each other's hands as the drought. Like that's all I got. Speaker 2 01:45:12 We can derive Michael bay for his storytelling a lot of times, but it works in other places like here he works. Yeah. So FDR now makes his big beach date that will live in men for me. But 3000 people died of which was similar to nine 11. That's another weird coincidence. It's also over cut with scenes of the devastation at Pearl Harbor. And then he asked Congress to declare a state of war. And we next go to FDR meeting with a bunch of his staff. Apparently there were men still trapped inside the Arizona. Cause there's, they could hear tapping from the outside of it, which is wow. And was a true thing. Yup. That's right. So they're starting to try to plan a tax against Japan and basically his, whoever is, you know, person from the Navy, they're saying it can't be done. And he does this dramatic thing of standing and don't tell me what cannot be done this way. I'm like, okay, the movie needs to end now, did you look at the clock and see there's an hour left. Yeah. And I was like, are you kidding me? Speaker 1 01:46:16 That was kind of the funny thing I have a similar, it felt like this is act three. This is the big battle scene. You know, our heroes are heroes. And I had assumed that the movie would come to a close and then they go and make their medals. And I thought, okay, this is the lesson. And then it, it, it in fact keep going. Yeah, Speaker 2 01:46:39 We get a little bit of another news real about everything going on in the Pacific, everywhere else and all sorts of fighting. And then FDR, here's an idea how to bomb Tokyo from a sub commander. And then we go to like a hanger that's full of coffins draped with American flags. We see red kneeling down besides Betty's coffin, which got me. I was like, oh God, they were about to, they were engaged. They were going to wait two years to sh so she was 19 to get married. I mean, he got me also gotten me Doris Miller visiting his captain's casket, giving it a salute. Yup. The salute Rafe and Danny are pulled aside. They are told me that they're going to need to go to the mainland. And they're like, what's this about is that you can ask Colonel Doolittle when you see it, we're back to the relationship drama. Speaker 2 01:47:26 So this is when Evelyn reveals to Rafe that she's pregnant. But the Danny doesn't know is it don't tell him I want him focused on this mission so that it's not distracted by anything else. So this is what I was getting at where the movie doesn't chicken out and have her be like, I don't know which of you to choose. And then they leave and one of them dies and that makes the choice for her. That was Sarah's point. That pregnancy makes the choice for her. And stead is a good one that wants her employed. Well, what was your point? Was it Sarah? Speaker 1 01:47:55 So my point was, that's interesting. I didn't even think of that. My point was, it will spoil what I'm Christian will get you, which is kind of the last possibly quote, a movie in Vince, the two men that decide for who she should be with and should raise her child. So not only does a spoiler alert for the 10 minutes from now, not only does one of them, one that she kind of picked Denny, not only does he die then up shrug emoji, I guess she'll go with the other one. And then it's decided seemingly for her that then Aflac will be the father of her child. Like it's the two men who decide the fate more of that. Yeah. So it's in part, you know, partly because of, you know, they're admittedly very, Jesus' like heroic actions. Like literally Speaker 2 01:48:55 Have thoughts about that too. Yeah. The only thing I would add was that she does say that she still loves rave. Right. So just knows that you can't be with both of them. So she has to pick one. I mean they could throw up, will it not in the 1940s where you think he has volume Martin Walston or whatever his name is, the guy who created wonder woman. Speaker 1 01:49:15 I did kind of think that they didn't have her make even a hardcore Joyce because she could have said, look, I love Danny peace, but it's they kind of did a oh is, was kind, uh, which was, they had her, like she could have her cake and eat it too. So, so for the audience and of no matter who you wanted her to end up with, I think you can come away kind of happy because she confesses her love to race, but pick Stanny. So I think the goal there was to kind of have everyone be satisfied. So I didn't think that she did a whole, whole lot of picking. Speaker 2 01:49:55 Yeah. I guess when you put it that way, they did kind of chicken out a little bit by not having her be like, okay, here we go. Final decision. I pick one of you and the other one to have a nice life. We get the impression that she was going to do that, but never actually gets there because like you said, the decision was made for her. But before we get to that decision, let's uh, let's, let's talk about the raid. Yeah. I was like, are they really going to do the whole raid? And then they do. So we get refund Danny meeting with the Colonel Doolittle, like a Alec Baldwin. I got the name right. This time mentions that he heard reports of them fighting against the Japanese in their hula shirts. He's Speaker 1 01:50:34 I like the reference to hula quote unquote hula shirts. What was that like Speaker 2 01:50:38 Says he's putting together a top secret mission, which of course made me think of mission impossible. Cause he's in the last two and he's like the secretary. So he's giving and giving out admissions. I'm like, Hmm. Okay. Interesting. Foreshadowing as well as I really aspire movie cut to, I don't know how many months later, like we don't know what this, I would presume that the, you know, the funeral, the funeral with all the caskets happened not long after. So three months later on March 3rd, 1942, we get Colonel Doolittle assembling his entire team. And he was the classic look around you at the person next to you. There's a chance, a fair chance that you or he will be dead. That's right. If there's any man who's willing to race those odds step forward and they all step forward. Yeah. Something I should point out here is that it's the rest of the crew. It's like Michael Shannon and the other guys. So it's like, all of their buddies are all on this mission, which is kind of dumb. But whatever, at this point I was willing to let it go. Speaker 1 01:51:36 So I did like a shot of the feet moving forward like the close up on all the feet. I thought that was kind of a cool shot in that moment. I actually kind of thought that because our two boys had talked to each other and then a Fleck basically said, you should stay back. Speaker 2 01:51:52 Yes. Lynn's already lost the man she loved. Yeah. Speaker 1 01:51:56 Yeah. And I thought that he had successfully convinced him. So I actually expected there to be one pair of boots back. Um, Speaker 2 01:52:05 No, Dan, he's a hero. He wouldn't. Speaker 1 01:52:09 I understand. But there is, there's also something heroic about being with a woman you love, Speaker 2 01:52:18 He's going to give up, this is a pro and his dream and everything for her. I mean, it's a, certainly a very different ending of the movie that would have been an interesting way to take the story. Speaker 1 01:52:28 What I thought was going to happen was that he was going to, um, and if he had made that choice, going back to kind of what we were talking about admitted ago, the two men are making the choice for Evelyn. One of those choices is, is both of them stepping forward Speaker 2 01:52:42 And they're not told what the mission is. They've just told that they have train to get these <inaudible> to take off in 467 feet. And they're going to be a learn how to fly them, like a fighter 30 feet off the ground, and start pulling off as in a central parts, armor, plating, et cetera. Speaker 4 01:52:58 I have something here. There's a part where they say, this is Lieutenant Jack Richards, and he's going to teach you how to do it. Yeah. Why? I mean, I learned that he's a real person in the movie for literally like three seconds and then you never see him again. He never talks again. No, Speaker 2 01:53:13 He's the one who is telling them to like all this stuff they're taking out, Speaker 4 01:53:16 You could have had just had an owl, like Baldwin do it. Speaker 2 01:53:19 I think it's because like, this is the one of the few times where they're like, all right, there's a real person who did this. Oh, I mean, Alec Baldwin is also a real person. So like, you know, just have that, that was curious, all right. 467 feet, there are 5,000, 280 feet in a mile. So that was less than a 10th of the test. So they say that Alec Baldwin says, you know, your grandmother can take off a BC 25 and a mile long runway is like, alright, you know, that's pretty damn impressive in less than a 10th of the usual space that you get to take off in that Speaker 4 01:53:48 How nobody could do it. And then he's like, you know what? I'm going to show you guys how to do it. And then he goes, it does. Yep. Speaker 2 01:53:53 And we next go to the USS Hornet where they finally get their orders. They're going to bomb Tokyo. And then they make the give the very important note of, is it even possible to land a B 25 on a carrier? And they said, no, but that's irrelevant because we're not landing back on the carriers. As soon as we take off, they're going to go back and we're going to land in China. Speaker 4 01:54:12 Well, more like bail out in China. Well Speaker 2 01:54:15 Was the, and in China, they're homing beacons that they were supposed to activate. Speaker 4 01:54:19 Okay. Say the purpose of this is to make America believe again, or like to recover. Speaker 2 01:54:24 Modo has a line about, you know, when they hit us at Pearl, it was a sledgehammer. And, but you know what we're doing here will be a pinprick, but there'll be a pinprick right. Through their hearts for those Speaker 4 01:54:40 It's like, if you say, so, buddy, I suppose. So the next scene is my favorite part of the movie. It's just so funny. Speaker 2 01:54:48 Do make sure if you go to the red seat. Yeah. Speaker 4 01:54:52 Yeah. Evelyn goes to see major Jackson at Bader Jackson's house. And you could tell it's major Jackson telescope or office or whatever. It says major Jackson. And she walks this are you major Jackson? And he says, yes, I am. So we know for 100% certainty that this guy is in fact major Jackson, Speaker 2 01:55:11 I do not remember his name or that there was a sign that said Peter Jackson, I remember that scene, but I did not have his name. Speaker 4 01:55:20 Okay. Well, I guess they repeated enough that if you didn't get his damn that's on you. Speaker 2 01:55:25 Oh, it's okay. You have different. Just remember what's important anyways. So major Jackson is the soldier. Who's Nick, she plugged or neck artery. She plugged. And it just so happens that ne major Jackson works in the command center. She says, I want to be in the command center when the news comes in about the doula over eight. And she's like, he's like, you shouldn't even know this, but some hot shot pilot, not mouth off to you. Pretty much she's even says like, actually, it's two pilots. I'm concerned about. We go back to the USS Hornet. Apparently there's like the runways three feet shorter than what they practice on. Goose got some victory, cigars. And then we get Alec Baldwin watching Rafe. And Danny is that, you know, we might lose this battle, but we're going to win this war. You know why? Because of them. Speaker 2 01:56:08 Yeah. It's just one speech after another is what I have two speeches in a row. I don't know. I liked this. I thought it worked so next. We get a briefing scene with do little and do little. It says, you know, superiors didn't want him to kill with them is disobeying his orders and going with them over the radio, we hear radio Tokyo. The person on the radio says, watch out the enemy will get, you know, we have that's Tokyo rose. Yeah. And then the USS Hornet gets spotted by and Japanese ships. Yeah, not yet. They were just going to general quarters. They are 624 miles out. They were supposed to launch at 400 miles down. So he turns to the other guy whose name? I don't remember. But you were like, we never hear him talk again. Yes. He talks here. Oh, Jack returns. Speaker 2 01:56:57 He talks here. It says he's doing the math. Like I, you know, I don't know the launch now and have enough fuel to reach China, but he's like, but otherwise, I don't know. What's the other alternative we launched now. So they strip the plans even further. They take out some of the tail guns put in broomsticks that were painted black to at least look like they have something back there. Yeah. I have in this part so much yelling. It's just people going all the time. So they launched the planes, I think, uh, Alec Baldwin and his co-pilot at first, uh, I like the scene where he's like, uh, when did you find a religion is like, when are you assigned me to this mission, sir, Speaker 1 01:57:32 With Doolittle. So earlier in the briefing, somebody asked him what he would do based if you had to land to land in Japan, PISA. And he would basically Speaker 2 01:57:44 Sweetest military target tell my crew to bail out and I would take the plane down. Speaker 1 01:57:50 So I thought, Hm, somebody is going to have to make us do a little, get a die heroically. So one of the main characters is going to have to Crossland in Japan and make that same call because Doolittle says, I'm an old man. You guys Speaker 2 01:58:07 Are young. You might Speaker 1 01:58:09 Not want to make that call. And I was like, one of them is going to have to make, Speaker 2 01:58:14 Uh, Nope. I mean, not directly. No, Speaker 1 01:58:19 They do. They do get, Speaker 2 01:58:21 The guest has to make a different call. We'd go to FDR, making a radio speech and very patriotic speech. People say that we're a nation of Playboys and whatever. And we get everyone else to fight our wars for us. But tell that to the boys at Pacific, tell that to people in the flight, the men of the flying fortresses. Tell that to the, Speaker 0 01:58:42 I would, would've been nice to have seen some Marines when he said that, but okay. Yeah. But also the thing I noticed here on his desk, he has like a pin cushion, which is like Hitler bending over. And the like pin cushion is Hitler's. But yeah, that seems a little unprofessional for the president, but whatever they're flying the planes, they see the coastline, they start flying over the targets and we have Evelyn getting snuck into the command center by major Jackson, sit here, don't talk to the other typist. They won't talk to you. Whose job is she actually doing? Like, who's like, what about all this other stuff that should have been like the work that she's supposed to be doing? Who is going to pick up that slack? Maybe that station was someone who's on vacation. Anyways. That was a joke. By the way, I just think you're not going to go on vacation while they're planning. Speaker 0 01:59:31 This do little rain, but she also, I like have in my notes, slowest typing ever. She's clearly not used to typing anything at all. So she's like with her two pointed fingers, like type, type, type, type type. I know it's. So back to the Doolittle raid, they have the target inside. They started launching the bombs. We see factories that buildings exploding. Yes. Japanese planes are attacking them and they shoot back with real guns. I was kind of like, would this be a good opportunity to bring back the broomsticks? Cause they're like, we can't shoot back. Cause we have broomsticks and staff mean there are a number of different guns on that plane. So they just took one of the guns out. Speaker 3 02:00:09 No reference to the bricks. I thought at some point Speaker 0 02:00:15 It wasn't. Yeah, it wasn't at this point now there's nothing here. It was before. But yeah. So yeah, we got the anti-aircraft guns firing. I don't think we have other planes. We just have wood. They're just getting shot at, by anti-aircraft guns. I guess that would make sense. Cause they have to escape and they wouldn't be able to escape all their plans. Yeah. And there's flack everywhere. They like say split up, get into the clouds and Evelyn's overhearing all of this on the radio. And like he gets closer to the door where the radio is coming out of and they like close the door dramatically. You can see major Jackson's face does not look good. And then we get a shot of a temple in Japan where people were like, women are there and like seeing flying over filmed, actually not the in temple in Japan actually filmed at a replica of the bureau in temple, in Hawaii, which Carolyn and I visited when we recently and Sarah, you should definitely go and check this out. It's really cool. Speaker 3 02:01:09 Yeah. I would definitely look to and I, I did at least recognize it. Yeah. Speaker 0 02:01:19 So they get into the clouds. My notes. It's definitely auto-correct cause it says Thor's dead, but I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be feel okay now dies in the plan. A and then we see FDR gardening and then he gets worried about the Doolittle. They Speaker 2 02:01:39 Launched 12 hours and they were supposed to, and the homey beacons that they were supposed to get, you know, go to China to show them the safe landing spots on a ship that crashed on route. So they have no homie begins either. So they're running out of fuel. They're like basically on fumes, but finally they see the coast of China. So Ray and Danny are like break off together on like gliding in their dead stick, which means they can't control it at all. So they're just, they're just bracing for impact at this point. And then the race plane crashes down there, he warns off Danny saying Japanese patrols in China. Don't come here and they get pinned down by one of these patrols after they crash. I liked that they're using pistols, but I mean, that's pretty much what they would have on there unless they like pulled off one of the guns. Speaker 2 02:02:29 You don't see it too much. Yeah. Yeah. They get pinned down. Danny's plane flies over and like goes, it does a strafing run and saves them from that patrol. But then like lands elsewhere and crashes in a big explosion. It looks like it's like completely destroyed and there's no way anyone could survive it. But of course Danny's, Danny's injured. Goose is alive, but Danny is injured. He's got like a piece of metal in his neck. Ray of course runs over. Brad's trying to stop and say no, there's, you know, this patrol is everywhere. And he like, does this impressive run where he like runs through gunfire. He shoots the Japanese soldiers as they just pop out from the pet rice patties. It's very action movie. Yeah. And gets the Danny by bromance love. That's the true romance here. Yeah. See, as the Danny's got, you know, a thing in his neck and is like trying to pull it out. Speaker 2 02:03:26 But as this is happening, they get snuck on by another patrol. Patrol gets a drop on them. They tie Danny to a piece of wood. I don't remember what it was actually. Carolyn told me what it was. I was like, but I do not remember what it is. That's the name. Okay. Yeah. Well the like the way it was shaped, it was actually a recognizable something. Yeah. But yeah, it looks like I even made the jump. So what are they going to crucify him now? Rafe grabs a gun from one of the dead pilots uses it to shoot the other. So the chewed up a bunch of the Japanese soldiers, but then runs out of bullets and is about to get shocked when Danny jumps in front of him and takes the bullets. Other people get the drop on the other soldiers. And, but Danny is shot. Speaker 1 02:04:09 This point doesn't really matter. But I thought that Danny didn't just like use his body as a shield. I thought he actually sort of jumped into the guy who was shooting and like got shot by a third party. Speaker 2 02:04:21 Yeah. I don't remember. Oh yeah. That's what it was. Yeah. So that's what it was. Yes. Yes. So yes, the person who was basically he saves his pro. Speaker 1 02:04:28 Yeah. Yeah. I like that a little bit better because it's slightly less cliche and B I think it's like Speaker 2 02:04:40 Jumping in front of the bullets, right? Yeah. Taking out the guy, but then other soldiers shoot him. Speaker 3 02:04:46 Yeah. But do you see the bullet skills Speaker 2 02:04:48 Through him? Was there like, oh, there's no way he's walking away from this to as Danny's dying. Uh, you know, race is like, no, no, you've, you've got, you've got to make a Danny. You're going to be a father. And he's like, no, you are. And then Danny dies basically what, five minutes too late, the Chinese arrived. And they managed to get out of there. It was weird seeing the Chinese as the good guys. Huh? Aside from white Pacific rim. Yeah. I like how they have an American flag too, to show that they're so back in Hawaii, you see Evelyn's, they're waiting for everyone to get back. You see a bunch of other families to Evelyn sees race, but he has that. This is not good. Look on his face. And as he steps out, he's pulling the cuff in, which is somehow Evelyn knows it's Danny's it hadn't occurred to me until Sarah said it, that she did lose. Each of them wants one time for fake one time for real. And it would have been interesting to have her see some kind of reaction. Like at least at the very least say something I'm like not a dad. I can't lose him again. Speaker 3 02:05:57 Right. And she did cut to her face. Looking upset. Yeah. Speaker 2 02:06:02 Yes. I wanted it to be bigger. That's a Michael bay movie. Make it big, big explosions, big emotions, all that. Speaker 3 02:06:09 Yeah. This is also completely a stupid point. But here we go. I've started talking. I'll finish it. When Ben Affleck brings the coffin out, he brings out one coffin very dramatically. And for cinematic storytelling reasons, obviously it makes sense. We bring out exactly one coffin. Of course there were multiple people from, from their squad who didn't make it, who quit all. Yeah. Speaker 2 02:06:36 And there's even like a random other guy who they're like where's so-and-so oh, they're dead. It was like, wow. Who is that? I have no don't remember who it is. Speaker 3 02:06:45 I find in the moment, as you know, Ben is coming down the stairs and instead of pulling out a coffin, I thought what was going to happen was, and maybe this is just what I would have done from a writing perspective. Uh, had cannon, um, is that true? This closes the stairs behind him. Um, as though like no more people are going to come out. So rather than actually actually bring out the coffin, I thought he was going to walk downstairs and then close the stairs and then see Evelyn's face just sort of sunk in. I'm looking right? Speaker 2 02:07:14 Yeah. That works too. I mean, I think both work, Speaker 3 02:07:18 They both work. I thought that that was, that would happen. Hey Hollywood, call me. Speaker 2 02:07:25 I like Sarah's version better because I like subtlety like the part of the doctor that I mentioned before. But of course I was about to say that it's Michael bay movie. Speaker 4 02:07:35 So it's going to be on the nose as much as possible. Speaker 2 02:07:39 We cut to everyone getting metal. So all the nurses are getting metals actually. So it looks like they're getting purple hearts, but I don't think any of them got injured. Speaker 4 02:07:47 It's probably safe to say they got hit by some debris, Speaker 2 02:07:50 Doris Miller getting his metal. And we get voiceover from Evelyn about how he's the first to get the Navy cross first I'm African-American did the Navy cross. Speaker 4 02:08:02 I would have liked it if she had said something like he got his Navy cross and he got the respect to you always want it like the club. Speaker 2 02:08:10 I mean, do we know that he did though? I don't know. Speaker 4 02:08:12 Maybe you could have said something like, I hope he felt he got the respect. Speaker 2 02:08:16 Well, I feel like in this point she's not acting as Evelyn. She's just like, as a narrator, basically. It's not like her perspective, but just as an overall nav narrator. Speaker 4 02:08:26 Right. But the overall narrator would know that too because they know everything Speaker 2 02:08:29 Well. I mean, it's more of a miss, a narrator than necessarily character narrator kind of thing. We also see ref getting a metal from FDR and like do littles. There's a that's for all the Raiders. And we go to shots of the Arizona, the real life Arizona, which is still under water. Then we go to back to Tennessee where we see a little kid playing around and he sees that the base of a Moni, a Memorial to Danny, the Ray and Evelyn. And presumably this is Danny's kid who we find out is also named Danny and engineer. Yeah. Right. Reef takes Danny flying in the same little aviator cap and in the same crowd. And then with that faith is there. You'll be, I'll watch that music you do immediately after, which is interesting because it was directed by Michael bay and energy use a lot of the same sets as the movie. And there's even a scene of her, like in the parachute hanger, as it intercuts with them making love in the parachute hanger, it was the same parachute hanger with that is the end of the movie. So shall we go to our spy fact versus fiction Zack? Speaker 4 02:09:40 Uh, sure. I can start. So my sources are Wikipedia and the cynical historian, which is similar to history books where he does movies. Okay. So first of all, active duty American air man, which Ray was, but not doing with the RAF during the battle of Britain. Yep. But civilians, yup. The battle of Britain had already ended in October, 1940. Whereas the film has it happening in early 1941, as the dogfights are depicted, none of the Eagle squadrons saw action before 1941, the sea where the Japanese target, the hospital is not true. They did not target it. It was damaged in the attack. And only one member of the medical staff was killed. But while he was on his way to report for duty, Doris Miller stayed a cook. He went on a war bonds tour, but then was killed in action when the carrier he was on was tank. Speaker 4 02:10:30 So then a lot of the mistakes were like kind of things, things that only ZJ would care about. So like for example, the crop duster was a year too early. That type of crop clusters not exist in the part where the Germany's invading all these countries, the newsreel chill, the tank stuff. That didn't happen yet. Well, no, it's an American tank in the newsreel. Oh yeah. The surf board was invented in 1935. So before Michael Shannon did Finn, not just the surf board. Okay. Thank you. There were more borrow cigarettes came out in the seventies where they're there in the movie. A lot of the ships were wrong. Like there was four destroyers that were also from the 1970s, but let me look for the, for the really good stuff. So the Doolittle Raiders did launch in the USS Hornet, after being spotted by a single patrol boat, they didn't get into a fight and they didn't do nearly as much damage as the movie made. It appear. Also no bodies were sent home immediately. They were interned in China for the duration of the war. The queen Mary was used as a troop ship during the war, but would not have been docked in New York Harbor. Well, it might've been, but either way, there wouldn't be fancy people in tuxedos on it. Right? Speaker 4 02:11:40 Yeah. The MythBusters already did bullets traveling through the water. They were not. Yeah, they didn't work that way. And then finally, all the stuff about FDR is kind of wrong. Like, oh, he wasn't surprised I was being told there was an attack. He didn't do the thing where he stood up and talked to his staff and the generals didn't say it was impossible. They were convincing him to do it. It'd be to do so. That is it for my <inaudible> Speaker 2 02:12:05 A few other things. Well, you mentioned the thing about the surfboard fin, which is what I was going to say. So Danny mentioned at one point that the Hawaiian name for pro Harbor is Y Momi, which means water of pearls. That is true. What was surprised that they actually got something right in there and tournament regarding like actual Hawaiian culture. This is according to IMD B apparently in camera shots during the Doolittle raid with where it appears that the actors are actually flying the planes, they actually are. And it wasn't there wasn't like CGI intercuts. So what would happen is they, an actual pilot would bring them food, fly the plane over where it needed to be. And then they would get the camera, the other camera plane in position. And they would briefly have give the yoke over to Ben Affleck, Alec Baldwin and Josh Hartnett. So they at least had enough flight training so they could keep it steady. And then once the shot was done, they'd go give control back to the actual pilots. Lastly, this is fun for a little bit of, you know, something that we've covered in the past and the movie that we're going to cover in the future. So we have two Jack Ryans in this movie, Ben Affleck and Alec Alec Baldwin. Speaker 4 02:13:12 That's true. I could ask you one more time. Speaker 2 02:13:15 Yeah. Ben ethic was on the set of pro Harbor when he was offered the role of Jack Ryan and his CoStar, Alec Baldwin, persuaded Aflac to take the role. And there's even a line in the movie where Alec Baldwin says, you remind me of myself some 20 ago. Now I assume that's coincidence though. I like most like let's put that in. So I don't think so. So All right. Yes. Go for it. Speaker 1 02:13:42 That is a veteran of the pot. I knew the section's coming. So I did some research and I have four very quick things first because as soon as I saw the, after the movie, I was like, I have to know how much is real. Like I have to know immediately. So, um, they did have the one hour warning and they did think that it was planes coming in from the mainland. Sounds like you covered that last week on the Arizona. There were so many brothers who died on the Arizona, that the military afterwards, prior to stop the practice of pleasing blood relatives on the same ship. And I think that practice was in place for a little while. And then I don't think it's in place anymore. Question mark. I'm not sure. Um, but it was because of the devastation to families on Arizona that, that sort of policy change. Speaker 1 02:14:35 Um, this considered at least a date that will live in, in for me is of course legit. But as originally written, the line was a date that will live in world history and FDR actually scratched it out and wrote infamy, like scribbled above it. So I thought that was kind of a neat, fun fact. That's a lot better, a lot better. Um, and that attack on Japan that at the end of the movie and that Zach had just talked about did happen. I wanted to know, but couldn't find out how many miles off shore they were when they took off. Yeah. Um, so I don't know how many miles I'm sure they were. Speaker 2 02:15:17 I have that information somewhere. Hold on. Speaker 1 02:15:19 Nice. They did take the trip from pan to China. As they said in the movie, there were 16 planes that was, that was accurate. Um, and fifth, unlike the dramatized ending 15 did make it to China. Um, and one crash landed into the Soviet union, but I don't believe anybody died. So Speaker 2 02:15:47 Yeah, the movie they say at 624 miles off the coast, there was actually 650 miles off the coast even more. Yeah. I don't know why they changed that of all things. Oh, so I do have another thing first by fact, versus fiction. So the control tower that goose and Earl get up into when they're shooting at the plane. So if for a long time it is still there, but it was a long time, you know, it was badly damaged and needed for first publishment. But as of July, uh, you can actually start to go up into it and visit cause they got funding to restore it. Nice. Yeah. And so it is right next to the Pacific aviation museum, which is one of my favorite museums in Hawaii. Of course we should. Museum is also great there, but if you want the whole pro Harbor experience, I would recommend going to pro Harbor, um, to the Arizona Memorial, to the ma the battleship Missouri and to the Pacific aviation museum. Speaker 2 02:16:48 You can also go to the USS spill fund, which is a submarine there. It's not as interesting as all of the other stuff. Good to know. It's all tourist tip for ya. Last bit of spy facts versus spy fiction. So during the filming of this movie, one of the Corsairs, which was mocked up to look like a Japanese bomber actually clipped a coconut tree and crashed. I remember seeing this in the news at the time probably was injured but survived. It was a minor injury, but ironically enough, it's very similar to what happens in an accident while they were filming Tora, Tora, Tora, another plane, which was mocking up Japanese fighter also crashed. But that time that pilot actually died. Oh geez. That's interesting that like, yeah, it was like both films, which were filmed both in Hawaii and we're both, you know, depicting pro Harbor or the attack on Pearl Harbor had similar accidents where planes misfired and flipped something and crashed living in Hawaii at the time when I was filming, I remember that vividly like seeing in the news. All right. So shall we get to our favorite quotes? I've got a bunch, but if other people want to go first, I mean, my guest, Sarah is our guests. Would you like to go first? Speaker 1 02:17:56 Sure. I would love to. I wrote down too, but retrospect. Hmm. Oh. So I wrote down, I think world war II just started legitimately give me a chuckle when it came up in the movie. Zack, if I could guess, I don't know that we definitely haven't talked about it on this particular pod. I have a spidey sense that, uh, you are not in favor of that world. War one just happened. Like announcing the thing that like legitimately just happened. Like I think we just entered a great war. I have a sense that you're not a huge fan. Speaker 2 02:18:34 It's funny you say that because we talked about this quote on the podcast before in the movie bridge of spies. We'll talk right now. Someone uses the term cold. Speaker 1 02:18:43 Yeah. Yes. That's what it was. Somebody was very against it. I thought it was Zack. Cause I remember I listened to that episode. I listened to Speaker 2 02:18:52 Know this discounts, all the fighting that was going on in Europe already. Right? The one thing I remember about is I thought Cuba Gooding Jr said it. That Christian thought some red shirts said it turned out. We were both wrong. Really? I thought it was, I thought I said it was Josh Hartnett. I don't know. We'll have to listen back to the bond. Okay. Speaker 1 02:19:11 At the time it gave me a chuckle looking at it. Now I'm like, that's a stupid line. Why did I do, why did I take Speaker 2 02:19:22 It's two? But it's a pretty dumb line. I think the delivery is what makes it, yeah. Why Speaker 1 02:19:27 Did I bit depend to paper? But it legitimately gives me a chuckle. My actual favorite, which is corny in a different way. But yeah. Bill wonderful in its corniness is God help anyone who goes to war with America. Speaker 0 02:19:42 Yeah. The full quotes in like a British accent. I just like to say, if there's any more like you back home, God help anyone who goes to war with America. Yeah. History buffs really didn't like that quote. But I say where's the why? Uh, alright, well that's two off my list then Zach, what you got, Speaker 1 02:20:02 Those are both on your list. Yeah. Oh yeah. Speaker 0 02:20:06 I did like world war two just started. I liked Michael. Shannon says ladies cloud the mind because that's him. And it's very, the times I liked someone said you died. And so did I? That was Evelyn, I think. Yeah. But then the last favorite line I will say is, let's go do some business. Who says that? Somebody says it when they're like going to go fight some Japanese. And I thought it was cool. Okay. Sarah's got to off my list from the Japanese ad, rural who says a brilliant man would find a way not to fight a war. Photographer say I'm with Navy news. You, I can tell you one thing that made Navy planes from FDR. I like sub commanders. They have no time for bullshit. And neither do I, no time for baloney. And now there's do I actually I think the captions just say bull dot, dot, dot. Yeah. It that sometimes too. Let's see. From Alec Guinness, there was only one more thing I can tell you. Leave your God damn hula shirts at home. Yeah. That Alec Guinness. He really knows what he's talking about. Speaker 1 02:21:08 Um, yeah. Speaker 0 02:21:11 And this is an actually good line. I like from Dan Akroyd character. I understand my job is to gather and interpret material, making difficult decisions based on incomplete information from my limited decoding ability is your job, sir, put him in his place. And lastly, one of daddy's last words is just take a shot at Rafe. He says, can you do me a favor? Rafe, could you have someone else write my name on the tombstone Speaker 1 02:21:43 In the moment because of the delivery, I interpreted it as, I don't want you to have the burden and the responsibility. Like I didn't think it was funny. It was straight. I thought in the moment, of course now I'm like Danny, Speaker 0 02:21:59 You know that, that's your last words. You're taking a shot at your friend Speaker 1 02:22:03 In the moment because I was so wrapped up in the bromance. I was like, oh, you don't want your best friends to have the burden of like writing your name on the tombstone. Like, but no, he says he can't spell. Speaker 0 02:22:15 Wow. Yeah. It was not a very well-timed joke. I will agree with that. All right. So now it is time for our ratings on a scale of one to 10 Martinez, one being the Speaker 4 02:22:25 Avengers 1997, still the worst over we've covered and 10 being some hypothetically really good movie, better than mission, impossible ghost protocol. How would we rate Pearl Harbor, Sarah, as our guest? You may go first if you'd like. Speaker 1 02:22:40 So I would say six out of 10 Martinez. Speaker 4 02:22:44 All right. Let me give any explanation for that. Speaker 1 02:22:48 My feelings oscillated a great deal during the three hours of, of this cinematic event, but bottom line epi. And is that it was, um, it was an informal watch. I believe. I don't know if you're still doing this, but about pods I've listened to recently. You've been reading it as how good is it as assigned movie and interestingly, so I sort of had a little bit of a run tally in my head, in addition to which team of my own hashtag team Guinea or I thought so the beginning at our first like third ish, I was like, this isn't a spy movie at all. It gets is zero. This gets new arguing news. This is not a spy movie regardless of its entertainment value, but there was some sprinkling in of, uh, staff. And there was more of that sort of infused throughout the movie. So like that like arguably more spy stuff than stubby. Speaker 1 02:23:53 I mean, and I have other feelings about frosted powers and those are the two movies I've been on for overall entertaining to watch it got me in the feels both in terms of like my upsettedness as a woman and also my sentimental feelings. You saw both in terms of like friends watching each other goodbye before they go off to war. And the, the exciting patriotism that you get from like watching a Jack Bauer go like find, find a bomb. So all in all, it was a roller coaster ride. Um, think it kind of evens out to in the middle ish, but on the better side of, in the middle, I think it's because it more or less ended on a note of me not completely hating it. Like admittedly, I didn't love some of the choices at the end there if it had ended at a different point. Um, when I had this coming off of a few of them of, you know, you shouldn't treat women that way. I used to reset clear boundaries. If that was how I'd been feeling, then I probably would have rated it, sucking the lower side of the all. But at the time I was despite the fact that thinking about it now, like it did kind of end on an anti-feminist note a little bit winding back the clock, uh, like 10 minutes, there was enough of a pie, although I really did kind of have to windows. Speaker 4 02:25:20 All right. So thank you. Want to go next? Sure. So I went this movie expecting it to be terrible because its reputation preceded it by a long shot. People always talk about how bad it is. There's a whole song into America, world police about how much socks. Yeah. It is really long and it doesn't need to be that long. The acting's pretty bad that that I'm really somebody who cares so much about acting. If it had ended, I think the Pearl Harbor after Pearl Harbor and they didn't include the Doolittle raid stuff. And if it had been titled something other than Pearl Harbor, I think it would have been seen as like not great, maybe a little pretentious, but ultimately pretty forgettable. I didn't like it as much as Tara and I'm sure not as much as Christian, but it definitely is not, well, it's not a terrible movie. There's things to like, and even the love story, wasn't that painful to sit through. So I will give it four out of 10 martinis. Speaker 1 02:26:14 I didn't know, admittedly like anything about the meat, even the fact that it was bad. What I knew about it as it's not really about the attack, it's about a love story and knowing that now love story, they think it who, the love story is it Ben Affleck, Evelyn, like, is that the love story? Speaker 4 02:26:36 It's Danny and Rafe. Ah, there you go. Speaker 1 02:26:40 Way more with me and I would've licked it if probably better. If it were more that than the triangle that I, I, that I have feelings about. But yeah, calling it a love story, it seems, I don't know. It's not that it's unaware of its bromance, but there is a lot of overtones of romance romance. Speaker 4 02:27:03 Yeah. Something else I wanted to point out, by the way I should have mentioned this during, by recap was doing some research about why people didn't like it. I think people felt like it was disrespectful to the veterans who died at Pearl Harbor by making a Pearl Harbor movie. That's about some fictional romance plus all the inaccuracies made it feel kind of sloppy. I, I'm not sure how much I agree with that criticism. I think people just wanted to hate it and it became a self perpetuating cycle. Speaker 1 02:27:30 So it's interesting about the two endings. It definitely like it ended like the movie ended and then there was like a 30 minute epilogue or whatever it was. And I have mixed feelings about having the little right at all. I liked that it made me look up what happened with no with the Doolittle raid. Cause I was like, I need, I need to know if this happened. Like I just got to know and I enjoy watching that part of it, like from like, oh, that's a neat concept. I want to hear more about the jewelry. But like from a storytelling perspective, I think like if somebody was complete and I would have been very happy with the second movie, certainly about the Doolittle rate. So there are movies about Speaker 4 02:28:19 Something that jumps to mind I think would have improved because Speaker 2 02:28:21 What happened to the Doolittle raid was Danny needed to die. So it would have been much cleaner to have him die, a Pearl Harbor and have the ending of the movie, be rave, getting onto the zoo a little Ray and having them watch and then to have some texts about what happened with the two little, right. Speaker 3 02:28:36 Just what I, yeah, what I thought would, I thought that's what, how it was going. And um, and it wasn't until at the end, when the title screen came up Michael bay and I wrote, oh, that's why this movie kept going. Speaker 2 02:28:52 It's Speaker 3 02:28:52 Michael bay. And then like Jim marks. Oh, that explains the long war sequence. Speaker 2 02:28:59 That's great. All right. So time for my review now, admittedly, and I think I've said this at the top that I do love this film. And yeah, I mentioned that I saw this twice in theaters. How much of this is because it's set in a place that I've lived and I recognize some of the scenery and all that is up for debate, but also it hits me in that sweet spot of all right, you know, top gun pilots. Great. And then world war two, I, you know, I love that stuff too. It gets me in all those three spots. And if I was just reading this as a movie eight out of 10, nine out of 10, maybe, maybe I don't know, but really high up there as an intelligence movie or a spy movie, most of the spine is down to Dan Ackroyd's character. Speaker 2 02:29:41 But even though he's an amalgamation of a bunch of actual characters who we saw last week in Tora, Tora, Tora, he had more personality than any of them. And that was more invested in his story. And then the actual real life characters in Tora, Tora, Tora, I kind of horrible to say, but I was more invested in the story because I actually had a feel for his character. He wasn't just a guy who would show up a few times on screen, say something that he said historically, and then disappear. Never to be seen again. So for that, I'm going to rate this movie higher than I did Tora Tora, Tora, and left foot waffling between 6.5 and seven. Yeah. I'm going to say 6.5 because I did enjoy this movie more than I did Tora Tora Tora. Speaker 3 02:30:24 I did rate mine in terms of like, I know I said, I'm aware that I'm betting it as a spineless. Speaker 2 02:30:31 That's fine. Yeah. You can do whatever you want. But yeah, like I, I love this movie and I will probably watch it again in the near future because I enjoy it. And how much of that is due is due to me seeing this, you know, as a kid and relating to Danny and then being gutted when he died. I don't know. I mean, yeah, like I said, I'm those kid who invented stuff out of other stuff. I was also sh more shy, less sure of himself. And that sorts of so related to Danny and then was seeing, oh, Danny gets the girl and then, oh no, he's dead. What? I had feelings for dad feelings about that six and a half out of 10. I do enjoy this movie as intelligence movie it's as I was, you know, I liked it, the depiction of it and that quote, Speaker 0 02:31:20 Having to make those calls and all that stuff was great for me. Speaker 5 02:31:23 Well, thank you for joining us, Sarah, is there anything you would like to plug? Speaker 0 02:31:27 Oh, of course. 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