December 15, 2022

01:30:45

"Tomorrow Never Dies"

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Christian Zach
"Tomorrow Never Dies"
The Spy-Fi Guys
"Tomorrow Never Dies"

Dec 15 2022 | 01:30:45

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James Bond is back, and so are the Spy-Fi Guys, with Pierce Brosnan's second flick as the international man of mystery, "Tomorrow Never Dies." A media mogul engineers a war for clicks, or rather, to sell newspapers, and Michelle Yeoh is in there too. Is this movie more relevant than ever before or does it belong in the dustbin of the "bad Brosnans?" Tune in to find out.

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Speaker 0 00:00:00 The man, the number, the license are all back. We are the Spfi guys. And this is Tomorrow Never Dies. Hello and welcome back to the Spfi guys who recover sp facts, spy fiction and everything in between. I'm Zach Speaker 2 00:00:21 And I'm Christian. Speaker 0 00:00:22 And Christian, I'm gonna start with a hot take. Speaker 2 00:00:25 All right. Speaker 0 00:00:26 I am not a fan of Pierce Bron as Jesus Speaker 2 00:00:29 Boo boo. This man boo this man out of here. Speaker 0 00:00:32 And I will tell you why his expression doesn't change. Speaker 2 00:00:36 <laugh> lies all lies and deceit and, uh, slander upon. Speaker 0 00:00:42 I will prove my case. We covered the movie today. Oh God, tomorrow Never Dies. The sequel to Golden Eye, a movie that I do enjoy, but we haven't covered yet, so we won't talk too much about it. Speaker 2 00:00:52 I suggested this movie because of two reasons. One, today is act The Day of Recording. Not the day of release is actually the 25th anniversary of the release of this movie. Speaker 0 00:01:03 Wow. Speaker 2 00:01:03 Yeah. Just, just nice timing also, um, we've been having sort of a, I'm gonna call it a, a Yance with Michelle. Yo, she's been in a lot of great things. Obviously she's been on Star Trek, discovery, everything Everywhere, all At Once is an amazing movie that I'm hoping she gets a, uh, Oscar for. And I believe she was just named, uh, time Magazines like Icon one of Icons of the Year for 2022. So she's having a real moment. What Speaker 0 00:01:32 Would you say is the movie that started off the Yuan? Was it Crazy Rich Asian? Speaker 2 00:01:37 Probably around there. Cuz she's in that she's also in Yeah, I think Oh, sh Chi she's in Yeah. She's in a lot of stuff lately. Speaker 0 00:01:44 So the question is, which one came first? Speaker 2 00:01:46 I, I would probably say that Yeah. That, that gave, that Jumpstarted her. Speaker 0 00:01:51 So another reason why we picked Tomorrow Never Dies is because, as you may recall, longtime listeners may recall I had never seen the Timothy Dalton movies. Right. The Timothy all and James Bond movies and I was reading a little bit about Tomorrow Never Dies. And there is a scene where Michelle Yo and Pierce Broden are on a motorcycle together, handcuffed to one another. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I said to myself, I have no memory of that. Have I not seen tomorrow? Never dies. Cause I think the world is not enough. And I think I was, Speaker 2 00:02:19 So, I've also just been having my own sort of pierce brazen movement moment. I think it was because I saw him in Dr. Fate and then also, uh, my wife, like binge watched both of the Mama Mia movies. And then that sort of kicked me off. So I watched a bunch of his other films and then I even watched I'm start watching Remington Steel, the series that got him pretty much, you know, James Bond mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but also prevented him from becoming James Bond for a little bit. It's actually a, it's what's known as a two-hander where he's like one of the leads. But so is Stephanie Symbolist, um, who's Laura Holt? And they're like, it's a detective show, but you know, they get in some of themselves into hijinks and end up wearing fancy clothes cuz Pierce browsing would all those factors combined. I thought it was a good moment to really dive into Tomorrow Never Dies, which is, I'm pretty sure it is the first Bond movie that I ever saw. Speaker 0 00:03:12 Oh, well, does that mean you have a nostalgia loyalty to it? Speaker 2 00:03:18 We'll find out. Speaker 0 00:03:20 The answer to that is yes. <laugh>. All right. So here's the Imdv plot summary. James Bond sets out to stop a media mogul's plan to reduce a war between China and the UK in order to obtain exclusive global media coverage. Speaker 2 00:03:33 Alright, that's fairly accurate. So we start off with your standard gun barrel and we go to a terrorist supermarket in Afghanistan, Speaker 0 00:03:43 Which is hilarious, Speaker 2 00:03:44 Pre nine 11. So that I like it was All right. It's a place to put it, but it wasn't like as a hot button, uh, uh, location. <laugh>. Speaker 0 00:03:52 Yeah. Terrorists are just good run of the mill bad guys for Jews Bond to Speaker 2 00:03:56 Blow up. And there's like a lot of different terrorists we hear of someone who is responsible for a Tokyo subway bombing or subway attack. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then we also meet Henry Gupta, who they say he practically invented techno terrorism, which we would probably call a cyberterrorism in this day. Right. And he's got this magic red box that the Americans used, uh, to manage their gps Speaker 0 00:04:18 Mm-hmm. Speaker 2 00:04:18 <affirmative>. So we also go back to MI six, or at least I think it's MI six, or the Admiral British Admir tape somewhere mm-hmm. Where we've got a bunch of British admirals as well as Russian admirals who are watching everything that's going on Speaker 0 00:04:32 Today. So this is our first Hey, that guy. Did you get to that guy? No. Speaker 2 00:04:36 With Speaker 0 00:04:37 Like sidekick dude. Speaker 2 00:04:40 Oh, Cole Simonon. Yeah. He is. And Arrow and a bunch of other stuff. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:04:45 I recognized him as Dr. Moon from an episode of Dr. Speaker 2 00:04:47 Who. Oh, yes. He is in that episode of Dr. Who. Yes. Um, anyways, they, here's the, this is the, in that interesting period in the nineties where Sam, around the same time when, you know, uh, Austin Powers came out where Russians and were our allies, and we were working together jointly with them on things. So we defer to them into, oh, you know, do we want to launch an attack or we do want to send armed forces mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And apparently in the ru the Russian General says, there's an election next week. And you know, uh, I've been told that any loss of life would be unacceptable. So nope. We're launching a missile Speaker 0 00:05:23 <laugh> launch a life on our side. Speaker 2 00:05:24 Yeah. On our side. No, the terrorists, eh, that doesn't matter. They don't matter. <laugh>. Yeah. So they launch a missile from a British British ship nearby, and they tell, you know, em to get her man out of here. They're, they're her man being bond. Of course. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:05:38 I wonder who her man would be. Speaker 2 00:05:39 I do like, hear the use of, like, his codename is white knight and you have like white rook and black bishop and all that. It's like chess, chess motif. I know you hate the use of chess in terms of being, you know, showing that people are smart, especially if they're playing it in their head. But here, just using them as a motif. I think it's fun. Speaker 0 00:05:57 Yeah. It's been done. I mean, DC Comics, checkmate has been doing it for Speaker 2 00:06:01 Many years, but I knew you were gonna say that. It's Speaker 0 00:06:03 Fine. I I didn't even really notice. Speaker 2 00:06:05 Oh yeah. <laugh>. But there's a wrinkle in the plan and man won't leave because there's something else that they didn't see. So he moves a truck, which is in front of one of the cameras, and they show Russian mig with a punch of Russian nuclear missiles on it. Speaker 0 00:06:20 No nuclear torpedoes. Speaker 2 00:06:21 Oh, torpedoes. Thank Speaker 0 00:06:22 You. I think the reason why I say that is because a nuclear missile is like a city killer. Speaker 2 00:06:26 Fair enough. Right? All right. I actually later on in here, I was like, what does it do to the missile in torpedo? I don't really know, but I think it's one goes in the air underwater. Okay. Yeah. Anyways, yeah. So they try to abort the missile. They can't bomb gets to work and he blows up a bunch of stuff and tries to go for the bombs. He gets in the jet and another mig chases him, the missile launch from the, uh, Russian naval ship hits and bond barely escapes. But the co-pilot in the jet, he only knocked out, didn't actually kill, is choking him. And he has to fly the plane with his knees, manages to eject the guy, the, uh, his his Rio into the other jet, and then it explodes Speaker 0 00:07:14 <laugh>. Yeah. So this was very James Bond, and Speaker 2 00:07:17 It was great. I loved it. So good. So good. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:07:19 I like the one danger of being strangled by the co-pilot compounds with the danger of the other plane trying to shoot them down. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, this opening reminded me almost more of Indiana Jones than James Bond. I think it might've been because I think Indiana Jones, I think of him punching someone under the wing of an Speaker 2 00:07:35 Airplane. Oh, you know what? Fair enough. All right. Yeah. Right. I like the Flying Wing scene. Yeah, that's it. I can see that. So we go to our theme song, which is Tomorrow Never Dies by Cheryl Crew. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, this song is fine, but there's a better song, Speaker 0 00:07:50 There's a better song elsewhere in the movie Speaker 2 00:07:52 In the end credits. Speaker 0 00:07:53 Okay. Speaker 2 00:07:54 Which is called Surrender by Katie Lang. If you listen, all of the beats and tones and tunes from that song are actually interwoven into the main score. Not Tomorrow, never Dies. <laugh>. Hmm. And it's because it show it was supposed to be, but the theme, and, you know, David Arnold the composer, this is the first time he was composing, worked it in, and then they found out, the producers found out they could get Cheryl Krill, and she's a bigger name. So I, with that one in, with this one Speaker 0 00:08:24 As his tradition for James Bond Yeah. To get big names, even if the song itself is pretty generic. But I did like one of the lyrics, which is Martinis Girls Speaker 2 00:08:32 And Guns. And Guns. Yep. So it's Speaker 0 00:08:34 A bit on the nose, but that's James Bond for you. Speaker 2 00:08:37 I I do still like it, but I just like surrender better. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And in this, there's a lot of X-ray imagery as well as electronic imagery. I do like the imagery of like, they're showing a p Walter ppk that's under an X-ray being loaded, and you see a bullets going in and everything like that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So that's cool. So after the theme song ends, we go to the h m s Devonshire in the South China Sea, they're having a confrontation with some Chinese migs. The MIGS claim that the, they are in Chinese territorial waters, whereas the Brits claim that they're inter international waterers. Speaker 0 00:09:12 Wow. This is so relevant. <laugh>. Well, this gonna be happening right now. Speaker 2 00:09:16 Uhhuh Uhhuh <affirmative>. So over in the Carver Media Group in Hamburg, we see Mr. Gupta with the magic red box. And he's using it to manipulate the ture into thinking it's somewhere else, Speaker 0 00:09:27 Somewhere. Tom Clancy is very happy. <laugh>, Speaker 2 00:09:30 I will say, you know, this is a very Navy heavy movie, which, you know, I am very happy with. So Speaker 0 00:09:36 Yeah. A lot of it reminded me of the end of the man from uncle where they're on the ship quite Speaker 2 00:09:43 Constantly. <laugh>. Yeah. Nearby in the South China Sea, we have a stealth ship in charge of, of the ship is a super Arian looking guy named Stamper. Speaker 0 00:09:54 Hmm. Speaker 2 00:09:54 Who's reporting into Elliot Carver, who's the aforementioned, you know, media mogul Speaker 0 00:10:00 Played by, Speaker 2 00:10:01 Played by Jonathan Price. Speaker 0 00:10:03 Do you know him from Speaker 2 00:10:04 Anything? Many things, including Miss Saigon. But of course he's the father in, uh, pirates of the Caribbean. Speaker 0 00:10:11 Oh yeah. Wait, who is he in Miss Saigon? Speaker 2 00:10:14 He is, um, he was on stage. He was, um, the other guy, the one who's like the, trying to make money all the time. That guy. The Speaker 0 00:10:21 En no, not the engineer. He's Vietnamese. Speaker 2 00:10:24 Yes. Speaker 0 00:10:25 Oh, that's problematic. Yeah. But Jonathan Price should be used to that by now. Ao that's a spoiler for later on the Speaker 2 00:10:31 Other side. <laugh>. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:10:32 That's a deep cut. I was surprised. You know who these people when they do Broadway, I'm impressed. Speaker 2 00:10:38 I mean, sidebar, I had never seen Miss Saigon. And it happened to like, I think it was on one of the Broadway, like streaming services, uh, which Uhhuh for a period of time we were, we had, so I wa we watched it and then it was one of those ones where they have like a 30th or however many year anniversary. So they bring back all the old cast. So they brought back Leia Solan, they brought back Jonathan Price. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:11:01 Oh, okay. Speaker 2 00:11:02 Uh, what's his face? Stamper is reporting into Carver. The MIGS are making another pass. And as they do, the stealth belt launches a sea drill like missile or a missile, like sea drill Speaker 0 00:11:14 Torpedo because it goes Speaker 2 00:11:15 Underwater. Yes, yes. <laugh>. And so the Brits think it's a torpedo that's dropped by the migs. It goes through a few decks, but doesn't explode. So it's just sort of chomping its way through the decks. It turns at like ro 90 degree angles. Right. And the Brits send their last position to the admiralty and abandoned ship. Speaker 0 00:11:35 So I must say this whole scene is very James Bond. Okay. Okay. Yeah. You've got the Cold War, you've got manipulation, you've got super weapons. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you've got the bad guy, you've got the henchman, you've got the army of henchman. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you've got red shirts dying by the truck hoods. So why didn't I like it? Speaker 2 00:11:53 I don't know. I don't know. I don't understand. Cuz I, I mean, I I mean you have your big action scene at the beginning and then this is sort of like, all right, this is setting up plot. And this is probably why you didn't like it, because there's no James Bond here. It's just plot set up. Speaker 0 00:12:08 I didn't dislike it. I, it was holding my attention. This whole, the whole movie held my attention. And this part in particular, I just kinda like, mm. Alright, alright. Speaker 2 00:12:17 Right. Devin Sure is sinking. And the MIGS leave the stealth boat fires a missile at the migs and hits one of them. And they're also survivors in the water. And as car, um, stamper goes to see the survivors. Carver is playing with headlines and says he needs to know from stamper how many survivors were there. Apparently there are 17 who he shoots with ammunition, which is the same type as used by the Chinese or, Speaker 0 00:12:46 Okay. So this confused me. Yes. Because he said, I want you to have 17 survivors to tell the tale Uhuh. Or was that just implied? Speaker 2 00:12:53 No, neither. Oh, okay. It's how many survivors. And those are how many who were murdered by. They're pl they're playing off as them being murdered by the Chinese government. Speaker 0 00:13:03 But then he also says they'll never find them cuz they're outta position. Speaker 2 00:13:07 They'll never find the Speaker 0 00:13:09 Actual Speaker 2 00:13:09 Ship. The ship. Okay. And if you notice when he's, when Stamper is firing that gun into the water with the drivers, there's a cameraman right next to him. So they have footage of this. Speaker 0 00:13:19 Okay. So I guess they're hoping that the authorities will never think to ask them where they got their footage from. Speaker 2 00:13:26 Yeah. And they can just say, we have our sources, we protect, sources are protected. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:13:30 All right. Yeah, that works. Speaker 2 00:13:32 And as this is happening, divers also go to the de the rec of the Devon chair to retrieve of something. Right now, back in Hamburg, Carver's having a meeting. Basically, this is a 90 Zoom meeting. <laugh> <laugh> where he is talking to all of the, his heads of his different divisions. We've got the, uh, news guy reporting saying there's a bunch of different, you know, things happening in different places, including a plane crash in California. We've got the software guy reporting saying, oh yeah, I, this is my favorite one. The, you know, as requested, it's full of bugs and people will be forced to upgrade for years. Speaker 0 00:14:05 Yeah. This, we've taken a lot of shots, a lot of contemporary shots. And I must say James Bond villains have been doing Zoom calls for years. Speaker 2 00:14:15 I Speaker 0 00:14:15 Don't Super advanced technology. Speaker 2 00:14:17 No, no. Usually they're like big board meetings. This is the first one where it's like video screens of everyone. Speaker 0 00:14:22 Yeah. Before they became ubiquitous. Speaker 2 00:14:25 And as he's having his big board meeting, he, you know, Gupta comes in, tell, gives him the news, and he is sa and Carver says, hold the presses as a curious Coate, we have the perfect story to launch my new, you know, global media empire Speaker 0 00:14:39 Or Right. Yeah. Uh, he comes off very nice here. He says, thank you to this random minion who gives him something. Speaker 2 00:14:44 Yeah. That's Gupta. So he, he's nice to him because he needs him Speaker 0 00:14:48 <laugh>. Right. And then he says, gentlemen and ladies to everybody else. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:14:52 He tells them all what's going on. And we cut over to Oxford where Bond is having a study session with a Danish teacher Yep. When his phone goes off. And yes, that was a euphemism. By the way, <laugh> for those who have not seen it, won't Speaker 0 00:15:06 Start the movie's bad enough. <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:15:08 Um, yeah. So his phone goes off and it's money. Penny, apparently there's a situation at the, uh, ministry of Defense and they're sending the fleet to China. And here's where <laugh>, uh, the cunning linguist joke <laugh>. I Speaker 0 00:15:21 Was like, this is a step too far. It's too far. Speaker 2 00:15:25 So right after you get, you know, you know Money Penny saying you've always been a cunning linguist, you get a don't asks don't tell Joke Between Money Penny and Am <laugh> Speaker 0 00:15:34 <laugh>. It's a product of its time. Speaker 2 00:15:35 Oh, wow. Admiral Robuck, the admiral from earlier, uh, is insisting that the Demonst insurer is where they reported says that GPS doesn't lie, but apparently Mi six picked up a signal on the frequency that would've could have affected it and Am wants to investigate. Speaker 0 00:15:52 So it is kind of neat how this movie is like a mystery mm-hmm. <affirmative> rather than say, we know the bad guys here go kill 'em or anything like that. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:16:01 Except we are, are a step ahead of Bond in a way. Cuz we know that it's carver behind this. Speaker 0 00:16:08 Isn't that fairly normal though? Speaker 2 00:16:09 Not always Uhhuh <affirmative> like, you know, sky fall, you don't know who exactly is behind all the things going on. Other ones not necessarily. Like even in Dr. Noe, going back to that, we don't necessarily know who, who Dr. Noe is or what they're, he's up to until like an hour and 20 minutes into the film. Speaker 0 00:16:31 Yeah. And then sometimes it turns out that who is behind it is just some dude and no one cares. Right. Speaker 2 00:16:36 Uh, but here, yeah. I like, but I like this. And so Right when they're em is almost winning them over to let her give her a lot of time to investigate Bond enters with the newspaper called Tomorrow, which is Carver's newspaper. It says, you know, 17 B British sailors murdered. So now everyone's riled up and you know this, we're definitely sending the fleet and m has 48 hours to investigate. Speaker 0 00:16:59 Okay. So what do you think of this plot? Speaker 2 00:17:03 I like it. I'm, as we know so far, let's, we don't know the all of Carver's intentions yet, but as, as at this point, I like it. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:17:11 No, I'm just talking about the whole thing of starting tensions between the UK and China. Yeah. In order to sell newspapers. Yeah. Okay. Uhhuh <affirmative>, so I understand they're both nuclear powers. Yeah. And that can lead to a nuclear war, which would end the world. Okay. Uhhuh <affirmative>. But I kind of feel like if you wanna sell newspapers, Speaker 2 00:17:29 You'd be us. Speaker 0 00:17:30 Well, yes. But also something that affects you as an individual. Okay. Like, just look at elections. Okay. Elections are a perfect example. We're gonna talk about politics eventually, so let's just do it right now. All right. Okay. People vote based on things that affect them. Yeah. The UK and China polishing swords at each other doesn't affect me. But you know, what does affect me is pandemics. Like, we just lived through this, right? Speaker 2 00:17:55 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:17:56 Covid dominated the news cycle and you had no choice except to pay attention to it. Right. Unless you lived in a red state. Speaker 2 00:18:03 Except, here's the thing though, and we'll find out more later. Yeah. Here's the entire goal is not just to sell newspapers Speaker 0 00:18:09 As it turns out. Yeah. Yeah. But that was what I'm thinking at this point. All right. Fair. Before everything has been Speaker 2 00:18:13 Revealed. Yeah. Fair, fair. So yeah, you had a, you know, had a thought, and then you'll find out later that that's not in the, the entire plot. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:18:20 But no, you're definitely right. That he should have, he would've been better off doing a confrontation between the US and China, just simply because there are more people who live in the us. Speaker 2 00:18:30 Yeah. Right. But I mean, Speaker 0 00:18:31 It's a James Bond movie. It's Speaker 2 00:18:33 A James Bond movie. So it's got, I mean, there have been times where well, like, I mean, Dr No, going back to that, it was starting a war between what Russia and the US because of the toppling of their missiles. So it's been done, but I, you know, I like, well, you know, he's in bringing in the British, you know, Navy because James Bond is a reserve officer in the British Navy, so that makes sense. Bringing that Speaker 0 00:18:57 In. Yeah. You know, it's by a UK company and James Bond is a UK character, blah, blah, blah. That's fine. Yeah. Next question while we're paused. All Speaker 2 00:19:04 Right. Speaker 0 00:19:04 I had a thought, not here, but later, whereas like, do you think this movie was trying to have China be the big Cold War enemy for the purpose of the movie? Yeah. Since Russia is now our friends. Because be because you have a pasta war, you have someone who's Chinese helping him out. Speaker 2 00:19:21 Yeah. Speaker 0 00:19:22 That's about it. Speaker 2 00:19:24 I mean, this movie is basically, and this part of why I love it and why I love those other two movies, it is a very similar plot to you only live twice. And the Spy Who Loved Me, where you have the two, you know, someone pitting the two superpowers against each other mm-hmm. <affirmative>, and you have Bond working with agents from a, you know, another country. So, uh, like in the case of Spy Who Love Me, he's working with a Russian agent to try to stop all of this from happening. Speaker 0 00:19:51 Right. So I could see what they were doing, is what I'm saying. It was not lost on me, even though I'm not the Super Bond fan that you are Speaker 2 00:19:58 M um, money Penny Bond and, uh, Ooh, what's Robinson? Is the character played by, uh, Collins Salmon? Yeah. Yeah. Are in the a car, and basically he's having his briefing as they're driving to him to the airport. Apparently the signal came from a Carver satellite. And so Bon is gonna go investigate Carver. He's gonna be sent to the launch party of his new global media network. And we find out that Bon had a relationship with Carver's wife Paris before they were married, Speaker 0 00:20:28 Played by Terry Hatcher. Speaker 2 00:20:30 Yep. Terry Hatcher of Loon Clark and, uh, desperate Housewives fame. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so he is actually told explicitly use that prior relationship. Speaker 0 00:20:40 Well, I wonder what, uh, the guy who wrote Fair Fight would've to say about that. I should have looked it up. Speaker 2 00:20:45 <laugh> Speaker 0 00:20:46 Actually, actually, it's kind of stupid, but we'll talk about it later. Speaker 2 00:20:48 Okay. All right. Yeah. All right. So he arrives in Hamburg, uh, the German Avis representative goes to fetch another representative Hemp Mount, who happens to be q wearing the, like trademark Avis Red Blazer and everything. <laugh> Speaker 0 00:21:04 <laugh>. Yeah. One quick thing about Paris, first of all, I can't believe he never said we'll always have Paris. Ah, second, does this mean that m i six knows about all of his affairs? Speaker 2 00:21:15 No, actually there's a point where Bond says, I didn't realize my relationship was Common Knowledge and Glares and Money Penny. So he probably money Penny knew about it. And then Money Pun volunteered that information to add. Speaker 0 00:21:28 Oh, I see. Yeah. So she knows all of his info. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Speaker 2 00:21:32 <affirmative>. Okay. Uh, but yeah, so, uh, he picks up the rental car. He's doing this big insurance waiver. I like, I love this scene and the music here is just fantastic. But I actually recently bought a car, a new car, and as I was filling out my insurance, yes, I like couldn't help but thinking this part where he is, you know, cues asking, do you need fire protection? Yes. Property destruction. Yes. Personal injury As, and I was like, as I was feeling I couldn't help, like hearing and then even hearing the musical sting as I'm filling out this paperwork, Speaker 0 00:22:03 <laugh>, unfortunately Christian, I'm gonna be a little bit of a sarcastic Grmp. Yeah. Scrooge concerning this time of year. And I was just like, it's not his car. He's not paying for it. So all these are just dumb jokes that don't even make sense in the context of the movie. Speaker 2 00:22:19 Boo. This man Speaker 0 00:22:21 <laugh>. Sorry. It's how I Speaker 2 00:22:22 Hide. It's supposed to be fun. Speaker 0 00:22:24 Well, there's lots of fun stuff in this movie, but I did not find this movie Speaker 2 00:22:28 To enjoy. Anyways, so the new car is a BMW of 750. It's got all the usual refinements, you know, missiles, uh, you know, smoke bombs, et cetera. It also has a, a seemingly an AI in it with a female voice. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> you very limited ai. Right. You know, that can just tell 'em that the engine's running or close the door and everything like that. And he also gets a new gadget, which is a cell phone, which I believe is a first for Bond. Speaker 0 00:22:55 Oh, really? Speaker 2 00:22:56 Yeah. This, I think it was his first cell phone. Speaker 0 00:22:58 He didn't even have the brick cell phones. That is Speaker 2 00:23:00 Ah, no, I don't like you don't, you don't see them in Golden Eye. You don't, you see him use one in, uh, living Daylights, but Yeah. Speaker 0 00:23:08 But it's only like you handed him one. Speaker 2 00:23:10 No. Right. No. Yeah. So this is the first one he has. It has a bunch of gadgets, a fingerprint scanner, a taser. It also this, and this is, you know, the best part, it c controls the car, Speaker 0 00:23:21 Which is the dream Speaker 2 00:23:23 <laugh>. He tested out Grow up oh oh seven, the usual fun stuff. Uh, and then it's party time. See the big party that Carvers holding, he's holding court talking about Mad Cow. Remember Mad Cow, Speaker 0 00:23:36 <laugh> <laugh>. Yeah, I do actually. See, that's the thing that affects you. <laugh>, you could get a disease Carver call Speaker 2 00:23:43 Me. Yes. But how easy is it to control something like that and not have it go get out of control? Speaker 0 00:23:49 You fake it. <laugh>, he controls the media Speaker 2 00:23:52 Anyway, Saban introduces himself. He says he's a banker. And this is also where we meet W Lynn, who's played by Michelle. Yo, she says she's a journalist from the new China News Agency has, they're all, all chatting bond spots. Paris from above goes over to see her. You know, as soon as he, she sees him slap. Speaker 0 00:24:14 So yeah, it's revealed they didn't just know each other. They were like together because they know what each other drinks or he thinks he does. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yep. Uh, she asked him, do you still sleep with a gun under your pillow? So she knows that there's more to him than he seems mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I would, and their conversation is all very awkward. And the result though is that his cover is immediately blown even faster than usual for James Plat Speaker 2 00:24:36 <laugh>. Well, I don't think it's necessary. Well, part of it it, it's not because of the conversation's awkward. I will say that it is. Speaker 0 00:24:43 It's the sleeping with a gun under the Speaker 2 00:24:45 Pillow. Yeah. That's the get gets him Speaker 0 00:24:46 Away. Yeah. Which means I, I'm just kind of like, why didn't they send someone else who doesn't know Paris? Speaker 2 00:24:53 Because they need that prior relationship. They needed someone who had an in because no one else that they could send had an in to the organization. Basically. Speaker 0 00:25:04 <laugh>. Well, he has an into the organization. He just lies about being a banker. Yeah. I understand that. Paris would help him, but she also gives him away. So Yeah. It's a little column, a colony situation. Speaker 2 00:25:15 Anyways, so Elliot finds them and doesn't realize that they knew each other. And I like here Bond is trying to needle Carver. He brings up stuff like, I like the way you've been able to position yourself globally. <laugh> <laugh>. Yeah. Or you know, I lo be lost at Sea Adrift Speaker 0 00:25:32 <laugh>. Yeah. There's a part where someone says, what kind of banking do you do? And he says, hostile Speaker 2 00:25:35 Takeovers. Takeovers. Speaker 0 00:25:37 Yeah. I liked it cause it sounded like something Patrick Bateman would say. Speaker 2 00:25:40 <laugh>, but you know, Carver. So it's not just, not just Paris, it's all of Bond's needling at Carver that gets, that really gets him in trouble. Yeah. Right. Carver tells Stamper to take care of Bond. Bond is told that he has an urgent phone call and Yeah. Speaker 0 00:25:59 Now that's David Speaker 2 00:26:00 Too taken <laugh>. Right. Then he's taken to a, to a soundproof room while Carver is making his speech. Well, Speaker 0 00:26:06 So did you notice Carver's speech while, or sorry, did you notice Carver's outfit while he was making the speech? Speaker 2 00:26:12 What the, it looks Speaker 0 00:26:14 Like, it looks like Steve Jobs Speaker 2 00:26:15 Black Turtle. I was gonna, I mean, it's a combination of like Steve Jobs and a Bon villain outfit. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, no, I was gonna bring that up in my Spy factor verse fiction that all the different influences that, uh, Carver has, but yes, definitely very Steve Jobs. Speaker 0 00:26:29 Right. Speaker 2 00:26:30 But yeah, so Bond is being beaten up in the soundproof room, but manages to get the upper hand. And they have him basically in the, in the Sound studio where they all the controls for the right. Uh, yeah. I don't, I don't the control room basically. So he turns off all of the power in the, uh, in the facility as Carvers making his speech. Speaker 0 00:26:57 That's gotta be on the Evil over Lord Vest list somewhere. Speaker 2 00:27:00 What? Speaker 0 00:27:01 Don't interrogate your captors right next to all the power controls in your Speaker 2 00:27:04 Building. Probably a good idea. Yeah. It Speaker 0 00:27:06 It's a good fight scene though. Speaker 2 00:27:07 Oh yeah. Although I will say the sound effects here are little over the top. Like when he just gets hit, you know, just kick lightly. You hear the loud fuck Speaker 0 00:27:17 Yeah. Someone hitting a slab of meat and then they record it. Speaker 2 00:27:20 Yeah. It's a little over top. So Bond goes back to his hotel room and he is waiting with a bottle of vodka and a shot glass and a gun. Like Yeah. It looks like a cool image. Yeah. Looks, Speaker 0 00:27:32 He looks like he's just been through a war, I guess. Close enough. Speaker 2 00:27:35 Yeah. Yeah. And Carver is watching other news stations reports about the Botch launch. He tells Paris, you know, how well do you really know him? Uh, no Bond. And one, why did he make a mess here? Speaker 0 00:27:49 So Paris is already has a target on her back, like instantly. And then I was like, oh my gosh, are they gonna do the Bond Girl formula in this movie Speaker 2 00:27:57 <laugh>? Speaker 0 00:27:58 The answer is sort of. Speaker 2 00:28:00 So as Bond's waiting, Paris enters his room, tells him that covers onto him, Bon tries to send her home and she, you know, doesn't leave and says you, you know, gets close to him. So what was it? Did I get too close? Yes. Speaker 0 00:28:15 Dun dun da Speaker 2 00:28:16 Like kiss undress. And this music Carolyn pointed out, it's like, sounds very similar to like the Pearl Harbor music that we were all summing along with by the end of our Pearl Harbor watch. Speaker 0 00:28:29 Maybe you were Speaker 2 00:28:31 Uhhuh <affirmative>, me, Sarah, Carolyn, everyone else besides you. Yep. Speaker 0 00:28:35 Everyone with the Soul. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:28:36 Yep. <laugh>. So Carver back at his headquarters goes over to see Gupta and Gupta has worked out that Bond is a government agent. He says, he calls it Gupta's love creative anomalies. He has, you know, he's worked for the bank for six years. He has clean record done every eye across every t. So you know, if it's too good to be true, it usually is. Speaker 0 00:28:58 Yeah. This isn't a lot of cop shows too, or cop movies where they're like, I investigated this guy and he's clean. Not even a parking ticket. Not even a parking ticket. That means he's gotta be a cop <laugh>. I dunno why they talk like that. Also, somebody in this scene uses the term techno babble. Which Aor Speaker 2 00:29:14 Oh yes. Was amazing. It was Carver. He's like experi. I mean, I actually, I was gonna look up like what, uh, you know, techno babble that, uh, Gupta used Steven actually Mantika think, cuz sometimes it does. Mm-hmm. But I just never got around to Speaker 0 00:29:27 It. <laugh>. Well I thought you were gonna say, you were looking up the origin of the term techno. Oh no, I did not. Cause we've only ever heard it associated with Star Trek. Right. Yeah. I've never seen it anywhere else except for this movie. Speaker 2 00:29:37 <laugh> Gupta has the recording of Paris talking about the gun, which Carver makes him play like three times and says, I think we need to set an appointment for my wife with the doctor. Speaker 0 00:29:48 Total death flag. I guess it's pretty obvious by now. Speaker 2 00:29:51 Yeah. So the next morning Paris is getting dressed. Uh, Bon tries to get her not to go back, but Paris tells Bon how to get into a secret lab on the top floor. That's the best way to get into the building. So there she was useful. Speaker 0 00:30:05 Yep. Speaker 2 00:30:06 <laugh> Saban goes and sneaks in, uses his phone gadget to lock, pick the, uh, lock, doesn't find anything, but discovers a secret vault behind a painting, which was cool. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then he uses a, the fingerprint scanner on his phone to open it up finds drugs, money, porn, and the magic red box. Speaker 0 00:30:28 Yeah. I also thought those were tabloids, not porn, but whatever. Speaker 2 00:30:31 I don't know. I I just assumed. Speaker 0 00:30:33 There's also a porn with the floppy desks. The old floppy desks. Oh yeah. Appreciate that. <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:30:38 So he takes the magic red box and is about to leave when he hears some drilling happening through a door. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it sets off an alarm and there's while in, and Speaker 0 00:30:47 So this is a total spy though. Like, what are you doing here? What are you doing here? Speaker 2 00:30:52 While in uses a cool gadget to walk down a wall while bond is, you know, being chased Speaker 0 00:30:57 And distracting them. Otherwise they just would've been like, Hey, what are you doing? Right. Sit down over there. Speaker 2 00:31:02 He runs into the printers. He fights off two guards, knocks one of them into the printing press. Says a funny quip. This is a very quippy movie. Speaker 0 00:31:11 <laugh>. I mean it is a James Bond movie. Speaker 2 00:31:12 Yeah. But even more so than like some of the other one. Like this is the most quippy of like Lap Pierce Bran, I think. Speaker 0 00:31:18 Yeah. Daniel Craig really isn't so quippy. They seem to have gotten away from that. Yeah. I had seen this part before because I watched a YouTube video where it's 100 great quotes after the kill. Oh. And this was one of 'em. So as soon as I saw the printing press, I was like, uhoh, I know where this is going. Speaker 2 00:31:34 There's another little chase. It's into his car and as soon as he gets in, he gets a call from Carver who says that you have two items that belong to me, the red box and my wife in your hotel room. Speaker 0 00:31:44 Nice. Well also it's nice how Carver like immediately knows what's going on. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> who to reach and how to reach 'em, et cetera. Speaker 2 00:31:51 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So Stamper is watching from like on a rooftop as Bond pulls into the garage, bond locks the red box in the, the glove compartment. It sits the security system on. Speaker 0 00:32:03 Did you like how there was a new gun in the glove box too? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. A new Walter. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:32:07 I also had a question of why is this garage not connected to the hotel <laugh> Speaker 0 00:32:13 <laugh>. It must have Cheaped out. Speaker 2 00:32:15 Anyway, so Bond enters his hotel room to a news report about Paris's death and which states that he was, she was found with the body of an unidentified male with a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the Speaker 0 00:32:27 Head. Yeah. I think this was supposed to be very creepy. And it was a little creepy. Speaker 2 00:32:31 Yeah. I mean it was, it's creepy enough that you know, like, oh, what the tomorrow's news today. Right. So you meet Dr. Kaufman who's there to kill bond and apparently this report will go out in an hour mm-hmm. <affirmative> as this is going on, stampers goons can't get into the car. So he calls Dr. Kaufman, who asks Bond to unlock the car bond tricks him with the gadget phone activates the taser instead of unlocking the car and gets the gun away from uh, Kaufman and shoots Kaufman in the head. So, hey, the news report still works. Speaker 0 00:33:04 Okay. Can we talk about Dr. Coffin for a second? Speaker 2 00:33:06 Sure. What do we wanna talk about? Speaker 0 00:33:08 I think he's supposed to be scary. Speaker 2 00:33:10 He's scary but he is also kind of goofy. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:33:13 Well he's goofy cuz he gets a call from the henchman. He's like, what do you mean you can't do it? Speaker 2 00:33:16 We call the Alto Club <laugh>. Speaker 0 00:33:18 We need to commit one way or the other. Whether he was goofy or scary, I felt, Speaker 2 00:33:23 Hey, Speaker 0 00:33:24 The idea is great cuz he says he's a professor of forensics so he can make it look like an accident or mm-hmm. <affirmative>, he can make it look like a suicide rather. Yep. It's totally, he's like expert marksman. So he seems like he should be cooler. Yeah. I didn't feel like he was, Speaker 2 00:33:37 Hmm. I mean this guy, I think the actor's name is Vincent Chave if I recall. Yeah. He's a brilliant character actor. Just so I just love seeing him pop up here. Speaker 0 00:33:47 He certainly looks like the character actor. Put it that Speaker 2 00:33:49 Way. Ooh, ouch. Speaker 0 00:33:51 Hey, whatever. That's fine. Speaker 2 00:33:53 Uh, anyway, so, but I, I do like the way that Bon engineered it. So the report still stands Speaker 0 00:34:00 <laugh>. Oh yeah. Speaker 2 00:34:00 They're still, I identified male B male with a self-inflicted gun wound. Shot wound. Speaker 0 00:34:07 Right. And then also the part where the bad guys are trying to get into the car. Yeah. Where they're whacking it. I like that. Cause it reminded me of Batman. I think it was Batman, 1989. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:34:16 Yeah. With the, with the Shield shields. Yep. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> bomb goes out the window avoiding the police who are coming up from the lobby. He climbs up to the roof and heads over to the garage next door, sees the goons all around the car and uses the remote control on the phone to activate a bunch of smoke. Yeah. And jumps in the backseat. There's a lovely chase in the parking garage. He uses a variety of gadgets, rockets, spikes reinflating tires, a wire cutter that is set to a very specific height. Speaker 0 00:34:47 Yeah. And all well expression on his face that looks like he's on his way to go do his laundry. Speaker 2 00:34:52 No, no. His expression on his face is pure glee. Like there's a moment Speaker 0 00:34:57 Glee. I didn't Speaker 2 00:34:58 Get that. Oh yes. No. Okay. Re rewind the tape. The moment where, you know, he, okay, he had the spikes, you know, that, you know, he had set for someone else, but he went around. So now his whole car is actually hit with the spikes uhhuh and then he presses the button to reinflate the tires. He's just so gleeful and happy and having so much fun in Speaker 0 00:35:17 A very unsedated James Bond. Kind of Speaker 2 00:35:19 White. Of course. No, no. This is like the most fun. You see Pierce brats have fun. Have, I think. Speaker 0 00:35:24 All right, well this scene does go on very long. Can we agree about that Speaker 2 00:35:27 Here? Yeah. So no, actually no, no, I disagree. This goes on the perfect amount of time. It is a very fun car. Chase Uhhuh, <affirmative>, you know, and escalating with rocket launchers and everything else like that. And so he grabs the red box, jumps out of the car while still driving remotely, drives the car to the roof and launches the car straight into the Avis rental car office across the street, Speaker 0 00:35:53 <laugh> where he got it from. So you that Speaker 2 00:35:56 Yep, yep. And yeah, no, he's got a very satisfied look on his face after he does that too. Speaker 0 00:36:01 Yeah. And I sure hope there weren't any innocent bystanders standing right in front of that. That's Speaker 2 00:36:05 Why, that's why as soon as he went off the roof, he like, is punking the horn making sure everyone got out of the way. Speaker 0 00:36:11 <laugh>. I mean this is a James Bond movie. Things always seem to work out for Speaker 2 00:36:13 Him. Right. So next we cut over to a US air base in the South China Sea where Bon is in his naval uniform and he meets Wade from Gold tonight, who's also on the base and Speaker 0 00:36:24 Baker. Speaker 2 00:36:25 Yep. Wade has brought an expert on gps who verifies that it was used to send the demonstrate off course and they figure out where the demonstrate is really? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So Bon is gonna halo jump to get to the Dave Devonshire. It turns out that cuz of where specific, where it actually ends up being. It's not the Chinese territorial waters, it's actually Vietnamese territorial waters. Speaker 0 00:36:50 Yeah. I thought this was kind of silly at the time where I was like, the world's hanging on the knife edge of nuclear war and you're worrying about making Vietnam mad. I mean, don't get me wrong, I respect the Vietnamese. They were did a really good job fighting Americans back in the day, so I understand they're no one to scoff hat. But then it occurred to me later, oh they do that so the rest of the movie can be in Vietnam probably cuz it was cheaper to film there. Speaker 2 00:37:11 Yeah. Well actually they filmed in Thailand for this. Speaker 0 00:37:14 Oh my God. So confusing <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:37:18 Uh, I I do wonder if it's because Jonathan Price was in Miss Saigon. Speaker 0 00:37:23 That can't be the reason. Speaker 2 00:37:25 That can't, okay. Probably not. But it is a nice little nod. Speaker 0 00:37:29 Yeah. Jonathan Price. Like I love Vietnam. Let's have our movie take place there. The and the other observation I have about this scene is one of the American guys does this long halo exposition. Yep. Speaker 2 00:37:40 Mm-hmm Speaker 0 00:37:41 <affirmative> about what a halo jump is and how it works. And if I was inclined I would've done sp crucifixion, but I was not. Speaker 2 00:37:47 Okay, well what if that's one of us did Speaker 0 00:37:50 <laugh>. Okay, good. Well then at the end he says make sure that you lose your shoe quickly. Cuz 90% of people Yeah. Died that way. And it made me think like always James Bond gonna come close to dying that way. No, no, he's fine. So the all that stuff, you don't need it, Speaker 2 00:38:05 It's all to emphasize how difficult this jump is really. Yeah. To make Speaker 0 00:38:10 It seem more impress and he does Speaker 2 00:38:11 Mm-hmm. <affirmative> jumps, he goes through a bunch of cl I've have we talked about this before about my, my skydiving experience? No, I mean, I'm sure we've talked about it. No, no, really? No, you never have. Oh. So I've gotten side, I from, I I feel like I've told you this joke. Yeah. It was my cousin's 21st birthday. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, he said, yeah, no, I, instead of getting drunk, I decided we should all get really high. Speaker 0 00:38:31 Oh yeah. Actually you have told me that. That's right. Speaker 2 00:38:34 Uh, he was was actually buddies with, uh, the pilot who took us up and got us base, I think about three miles in the up mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So we were higher than we were, you know, other, you know, than we were supposed to be. And also it was a little cloudier than it was supposed to be too. But we just, they decided to take us anyways. Right. So in theory, you know that clouds are made up of water. Speaker 0 00:38:56 Right, right. So you got wet is what you're saying? Speaker 2 00:38:58 No, <laugh>. What you feel is, think about it as, you know, they're basically, uh, you know, contained water. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, if you go through them, it's the same, uh, feeling as if you were getting hit by a pellet of water hitting a terminal velocity. Speaker 0 00:39:16 Yeah. That's, uh, too Speaker 2 00:39:18 Bad. It stings Speaker 0 00:39:19 <laugh>. Yeah. That's probably why he had that thing on his face. Speaker 2 00:39:21 Yeah. Yeah. I did not <laugh>. That's very unfortu. I had short sleeves on it hurt a li more than I was expecting <laugh>. Speaker 0 00:39:28 Hmm. That's, uh, cool that you did that though. I have no inclination to go skydiving. Speaker 2 00:39:31 It was fun. I would probably do it again. It was, it was a lot of fun. Speaker 0 00:39:34 It wasn't in Hawaii, I Speaker 2 00:39:35 Take it. Right. Yeah. So, well that's Speaker 0 00:39:37 A good place to Speaker 2 00:39:37 Do it. Exactly. Yeah. Anyways, yeah, I wanted to bring that when I saw him going through all those clouds, like I'm sure you know the wetsuit probably helped, but, you know, it's still stung. <laugh> jumps, pulls the chute right before hitting the water and then goes to find the ture and he finds it pretty quickly. He's looking around in inside, he finds the dead sailors. We also see the ocean floors shifting. Speaker 0 00:40:02 Yeah. I like that thread. That thing. The things collapse. So it's nice when like the environment tries to kill our heroes rather than just bad guys all the time. <laugh>. So I wanted to rewind really quick with the reason why he's going down is to prove that Carver was behind Speaker 2 00:40:15 That or he's trying to find out what's what, what what was going on with it basically. Okay. Any, any information you can Speaker 0 00:40:20 Get? Well, no, he says we have to prove it. We have no proof or something like Speaker 2 00:40:25 That. Does he, does he Speaker 0 00:40:26 Yeah. Yeah, he does have it right here. Okay. I didn't make it up, but I was just wondering why he needed proof. He is licensed to kill, just go kill al. Speaker 2 00:40:34 Yeah. But he go kill him. But that doesn't stop the fact that the u the UK and China are about to go to war if Yeah. As it turns out, Trump is dead. That's true. That's not gonna stop anything. Speaker 0 00:40:46 Yeah. Speaker 2 00:40:46 Proof Speaker 0 00:40:48 <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:40:49 Yeah. Anyway, so he's going around, he goes into the missile room and notices that one of the missiles is missing or and this is a missile, not a torpedo. That's right. And as he's looking around, another diver sneaks up on him and hey, it's while in again. Yeah. And as they're like confronting each other, they hear some clanking, they hear, see that the ship is sif shifting and that they need to get out of there. And the only way out is through what's known as the galley chimney, I believe. Speaker 0 00:41:17 Ooh, nice. Speaker 2 00:41:18 Yeah, it's the, it's like that little thing that, uh, Indiana Jones popped out in the, you know, in that scene in Raiders, but that the space is too small to have air tanks on. So they go on, they free dive up. Speaker 0 00:41:30 That was, this was crazy. I liked the threat there that they, they had to lose their tanks Speaker 2 00:41:34 And they managed to get all the way up while in finds her boat. Speaker 0 00:41:40 Is it Speaker 2 00:41:40 A junk? I believe it is a Chinese, I don't think it junk. No. Is that, oh, okay. Oh, the, I think the one later is a Chinese junk. I don't know. It is a sh you know, a small boat though, as she finds it says to bring it closer. Her guys killed by stamper and they all get captured. Speaker 0 00:41:54 Yep. Speaker 2 00:41:56 <laugh>. So they get taken via helicopter to Saigon. Wein and Bon are now handcuffed to each other. Bon makes some terrible puns. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, he's Speaker 0 00:42:06 Been doing Speaker 2 00:42:06 That <laugh> and they go to the Carver building where there's like a giant banner of carver's face on the outside. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:42:14 Do you think this is supposed to be some kind of communist totalitarian thing? Speaker 2 00:42:19 No, Speaker 0 00:42:20 I think it was. I think Speaker 2 00:42:21 It was, I think it was there. So that Bon can make an edifice EDUs joke, Speaker 0 00:42:26 Which I didn't Speaker 2 00:42:27 Get. Yeah. But there's, then there's a EDUs more than Speaker 0 00:42:30 That. Speaker 2 00:42:31 Well then the fact that there's an edited that's called, you know, an edifice complex. So an edifice is a building, especially a large imposing one. So an edifice complex is like a play on words on an edifice complex. Oh. Speaker 0 00:42:45 Oh. That's Speaker 2 00:42:45 Pretty, Speaker 0 00:42:45 You know, smarter for Jay's bond. Pretty clever Speaker 2 00:42:48 <laugh>. So I think it's there for the reason it's there is for that joke and also for the action scene later. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. So as they're going in to see Carver in the hallway, WLAN sees a Chinese general. She recognizes General Chang not played by Christopher Plumer here. Speaker 0 00:43:05 Yeah. Did I tell you one of our friends who saw got really mad when I told her about that. Speaker 2 00:43:10 What? She's Speaker 0 00:43:11 Like, there's a Klingon general played by your white actor. His name is General Chang. I have a problem with that <laugh>. I'm like, yeah, me too. Chang is not a cling on name. It should be like kava. Speaker 2 00:43:21 I'm trying to think in Klingon like, Speaker 0 00:43:22 Okay, by the way, this whole General Chang thing does not work. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:43:26 Okay. But Speaker 0 00:43:27 We'll talk more about that later. Speaker 2 00:43:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyways, as they enter carvers writing their obituaries, we find that wild that Wildland is from the Chinese people's external security force. And they try to play off that there. It's like, it's well known that they've been working together, but Carver right through it mm-hmm. <affirmative> and then shows them a bunch of headlines including the Empire will strike back <laugh> <laugh>, which I mean I love that one too. It's great. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then Carver makes this whole big speech about how media is the New War method of warfare. Fake news, Speaker 0 00:44:02 <laugh>, it's fake news. Well Bond, speaking of which says something about I never believe what they say in the press. Uhhuh. So my line is Bond doesn't believe the liberal media Speaker 2 00:44:11 <laugh>. Speaker 0 00:44:11 So should we talk about this now, by the way? Is the whole media thing, the movie's trying to say? Speaker 2 00:44:17 Sure. What do you wanna talk about? Speaker 0 00:44:18 Well, so it's so fascinating. Uhhuh <affirmative> watching this today. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> gone through the Trump era. Right. Uhhuh where the media was always political, but it became more so Right. We've got mm-hmm. <affirmative>, Washington Post where democracy dies in darkness. And we have CNN where it's like, this is an apple and we'll always tell you it's an apple and this, well we won't tell you it's not. But then it's not like this movie has like a good journalist who's like fighting on James Bond's Speaker 2 00:44:45 Side. Speaker 0 00:44:45 Yeah, yeah. To reach the truth. It's basically government's good, media's bad. And I'm, I'm not like saying that I don't like it. This is interesting. Speaker 2 00:44:54 Well, so I don't know that it's, I think it's just this medium mogul who, you know who one of those people this is based on is Rupert Murdoch. Speaker 0 00:45:02 Yeah. Well and also Hurst, which they talk about later. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:45:06 Yeah. Um, Speaker 0 00:45:07 But certainly now the idea that the media writ large is driven by cliques. Right. That's not a new observation by any medias. That even mainstream media, like the Washington Post and CNN are driven by the need for eyeballs. Right. And that's what, that's what motivates them. Mm-hmm. Speaker 2 00:45:26 <affirmative>, Speaker 0 00:45:26 You know, this idea of like ginning things up to get to sell peoples Speaker 2 00:45:30 Yep. Speaker 0 00:45:31 Is all very relevant. Speaker 2 00:45:33 Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That's, that's why I think this movie needs to be like, should be reevaluated in the current day. Cuz it like, well one of the main reasons that it did not do so well is cuz guess what movie opened? I think either the same week or the week after Speaker 0 00:45:47 Hudson Hawk. Speaker 2 00:45:48 No, it's a movie you've not seen, but you've always made criticisms of Speaker 0 00:45:52 Oh, Titanic. Yep. I don't criticize it. Yes, Speaker 2 00:45:55 You Speaker 0 00:45:55 Do. Do i's big fun of it. <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:45:58 So that's even worse then. <laugh>. Yeah. <laugh>. Speaker 0 00:46:01 Yeah. I don't know if I would go so far to say it should be reevaluated, but things that make me think I like this, this part made me think so I appreciate that. Speaker 2 00:46:09 Yeah. Yeah. All right. Where was it? Oh yeah. There's also like, I've never, I never noticed this line here, but like Carver or I've never noticed this lion before. Carver makes a joke about how he's, you know, well reach have reached more people than anyone. Say God himself. And all he managed was a sermon on the Mount. It's like I never noticed that line before. <laugh>. Speaker 0 00:46:29 Yeah. Carver's. Just say you're bigger than Jesus. You know you want Speaker 2 00:46:32 To, yeah. There you go. That's, Speaker 0 00:46:33 I have one last thing about the whole media politics. Speaker 2 00:46:36 No, no, go ahead. Be my guess. Cuz that is what this is about. So Yes. Let's, let's talk about it. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:46:41 So something else of a product of the Trump era I had noticed, and this was true before Okay. Was where journalists become the story. Mm. Speaker 2 00:46:49 Right, right. Speaker 0 00:46:50 So like journalism and activism. I'm starting to blend. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and Carver is not an activist. Yeah. But it's all about him. It's not about the story. Right. In fact, he created the story. Speaker 2 00:47:01 Yeah. No, yeah. Be exact. You I mean what? Oh, I just had a ridiculous thought. Speaker 0 00:47:11 Don't Speaker 2 00:47:12 Share it about what this is like, Speaker 0 00:47:13 What's it like? Speaker 2 00:47:14 This is like controlling trade routes to get yourself elected to the how dare you as supreme chancellor. It's Speaker 0 00:47:22 Nothing like that. This is much more interesting. Speaker 2 00:47:24 <laugh> uhhuh or, you know, causing a, a war. It is, it's causing a war to gain power, supreme power of, you know, like one doth ci Speaker 0 00:47:37 <laugh>. Yeah. That, that was better. I The trade roots is No the war. Yes. Speaker 2 00:47:41 Uh uh. Yeah. Anyways, so where were we? Oh yes. Because Carver you, because they discovered what Carver was doing. He had to move up his timetable. So he leaves them with stamper, who is gonna get, go through some chakra torture with them right now. Did you recognize these tools? Speaker 0 00:47:59 No, Christian, I did not Speaker 2 00:48:01 Recognize them. Okay. They were at the old spy museum. Wow. Very prominent. Speaker 0 00:48:05 I think I went to the old spy museum not that often. And those mostly for parties. Woo. Not so much to see the exhibits. Speaker 2 00:48:11 Fair enough. Um, but yeah, they were there in their whole like exquisitely evil bond exhibit. Uh, we'll post photos of them. Cause I have, I have photos of them, uh, in our social media and also they do have, I mean since we're talking about it now, they actually do have in their big, you know, exhibit on propaganda in the news spy museum. They do have a section talking about this movie. Speaker 0 00:48:34 Oh, okay. Speaker 2 00:48:34 Yeah. All right. Which cuz they have like, they have a bunch of paper, like I think it's either infographics or something and they have a newspaper of the newspaper tomorrow. I was like, wait a minute, flip it around. Hey. Yeah, it's tomorrow never dies. Speaker 0 00:48:48 Do you have today's copy of tomorrow? Speaker 2 00:48:50 <laugh> <laugh>. Speaker 0 00:48:51 That's Surpris. They didn't make some kind of joke about Speaker 2 00:48:53 That. I mean, or Speaker 0 00:48:54 Whatever. Or then at the end of the movie, Carver's dead. But his paper lives on Get It Like Tomorrow Never Dies. Speaker 2 00:49:00 <laugh>, we'll talk more about the title later. <laugh>. Um, yeah, Bon Causes a Distraction Throws one of the torture tools that Stampers stabs in the leg, grabs a gun, shoots up the place, they go out the window, they use cables and the giant banner to go down the building. Speaker 0 00:49:16 So this was great cuz they're reminded me. So like Jackie Chan not only would do, but has done in other of his movies. Speaker 2 00:49:22 Yeah. And then they crash through the window and like, I like the very sort of nonchalant like, you know, once they come in and it's a just a regular office, they're like brush off the shoulders, like hello come coming through. Speaker 0 00:49:34 There's also some good parts where they're like, ready go and then they go together mm-hmm. <affirmative> and it's like ready jump. Yeah. This is, this is good. Yeah. So flight scenes and chase scenes, especially in James Bond movies, they need something to mix it up. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, Luke Skywalker, north Fighter are swinging lights here beside each other in a corridor is fine, but what if they swung lights services at each other while they were standing over the edge of a thousand foot Cliff Speaker 2 00:49:57 <laugh>. Speaker 0 00:49:58 Similarly, James Bond driving motorcycle all the way from bad guys is fine, but what if he's on a motorcycle wall? Having to navigate around Michelle yo who's attached to him makes things way more Speaker 2 00:50:08 Interesting. So yeah. So we go, yeah. Basically the next scene is the motorcycle chase. Here's a fun fact. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that whole scene where they're fighting over who's supposed to be driving is real Uhhuh. The director told both of them that they were supposed to be the one who's driving. So when they're fighting over it, that's real Speaker 0 00:50:26 <laugh>. Yeah. Looked great. It was really Speaker 2 00:50:27 Fine. So they have this great chase through Saigon crashing into stalls and Bo you know, trucks, carrying bottles. Um, they at one point jump it over a helicopter, which was Stu they did for real. Not really Michelle, yo and Pierce Bran, but Stuntman did that stunt mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And at one point they get to a dead end where a chopper, so this would not have happened. Stupid. Okay. Well, okay. Lemme see. Lemme hear why. So lemme describe it then we can Speaker 0 00:51:01 Yeah. By all means. Speaker 2 00:51:02 So the chopper is tilted at a 45 degree angle forward. They slide under the chopper into a controlled and controlled, um, what do they call it? A controlled slide. Slide. Yeah. Yeah. They threw a clothes line into the rotors and crashed the chopper. Now the chopper would not have stayed in place like that. It would've gone forward. Speaker 0 00:51:24 Yes. Speaker 2 00:51:25 It's Is that why you thought it was stupid? Speaker 0 00:51:27 No, no. It's just kind of stupid. Like obviously a good stunt flight looks really good, especially cuz it's not cgi. So I like that. But they got 'em trapped. Michelle, yo even says we're trapped. Yeah. And the bad guys have guns, but instead they choose to fly their helicopter to try to cut them apart. And they did that earlier. You skipped over it, but they did it. They Speaker 2 00:51:46 Full mm-hmm. Speaker 0 00:51:48 <affirmative>. It's just ridiculous. Hollywood like schlock. Wasn't there some other movie where they tried to do that? Was it a mission impossible? Speaker 2 00:51:54 It was the first mission Impossible. Where you're like, yeah, all right. He's at Ethan Hunt on the, on the end of the train and yet he decides he's gonna try to chop him with the, with the rotors. Yes. Speaker 0 00:52:02 Thank you. Thank you. Past self. You're right. Past self and present himself is right again. Speaker 2 00:52:08 All Yeah. It's fine. I mean, it it made for a good action, action scene, but no, it didn't make the most sense. That's fine. Speaker 0 00:52:13 Yeah. If you want them to kill the chopper using a grapple hook, then just have them like dodge around it like it's shooting and then they're dodging like Speaker 2 00:52:20 A video game or something. I like dive underneath it. That was Speaker 0 00:52:22 The dive was cool too. I mean, you have them dive, have them dive under something else. I, okay. Speaker 2 00:52:26 Whatever. Anyways, so they escape. Um, there's an outdoor shower where they're both, you know, rinsing off. Speaker 0 00:52:34 So why were they rinsing off? Is it because they ended up in that tub full of dirty Speaker 2 00:52:37 Water or like a shallow well, or whatever that was Speaker 0 00:52:40 Or something like that? Speaker 2 00:52:41 Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And they're like complimenting each other's skills while in, uses a earring lock pick to get out of the handcuffs and luxe, uh, Bron or bond onto the shower. Uh, lots of bad puns about off the cuff linking up. Right. Et cetera. Speaker 0 00:52:58 Yeah. We get the, I work alone cliche. Yeah. Just like, uh, Speaker 2 00:53:01 While Lynn heads to a safe house and Bond is trying to find her a bunch of goons invade her safe house and she fights them off in a very, very good fight scene. These are, this is, this is her stunt team. So this is basically, uh, I think, you know, the stunt coordinators were like, all right, let's show us what you can do with these guys. And it was like, all right, let's choreograph all of this. And I think she did like most of the choreography for it. Speaker 0 00:53:27 Yeah. I like martial arts movies. This looks really good. Speaker 2 00:53:30 Yeah. And so Bond helps like knock out the very last goon we find out that apparently General Chang stole Stealthed material. And while Lynn thought that they were, you know, building a stuffed plane, but nope, it was a stealth boat, which was apparently the only way they could have gotten that close to the Devon shirt. So they decide to team up and form both their governments. There's a funny joke here with the, the keyboard in with Chinese characters on it that Bond does not know how to type in Speaker 0 00:53:57 It reminded me of the bat computer from Batman 66, which it's a button that all of these flashing panels show up. Speaker 2 00:54:03 <laugh>. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:54:04 A little silly, but Speaker 2 00:54:06 Whatever. I also enjoy Bond playing with the Chinese gadgets. Speaker 0 00:54:10 <laugh>. Oh, almost killing himself a bunch of times. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:54:12 Mm-hmm. <affirmative> <laugh> Speaker 0 00:54:14 Would've been nice if she got to use some movie, but whatever. Speaker 2 00:54:18 Fair. Fair. Well she had one Speaker 0 00:54:21 Set up and pay off. It's part of Green Ray. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:54:25 They pay off one gadget from there, which is, but she doesn't get to use it. It's Bond, but like the new, right. Speaker 0 00:54:30 Well, Speaker 2 00:54:30 Yeah. Yeah. Um, anyway, so they figure out sort of which Bay could hold the stealth boat. They're all bays that are controlled by General Chang. So they find it finally in the last cove of the Bay. Speaker 0 00:54:41 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Speaker 2 00:54:42 And they get Speaker 0 00:54:43 Great secret, Speaker 2 00:54:44 Use their dinghy to get in underneath the, uh, stealth boat and plant some bombs. So it's just gonna be visible on radar. Speaker 0 00:54:51 Okay. Quick question. Yes. What did the stealth ship remind you of? Speaker 2 00:54:57 I don't know. I'll Speaker 0 00:54:58 Tell you what. Okay. A, Speaker 2 00:54:59 The Tumblr from bat, Speaker 0 00:55:01 Whoa, hold on. No. A big rectangular shape ship sitting in water and it's hidden. It reminded me of the hollow ship from Star Trek Insurrection. Speaker 2 00:55:10 I have not Was you don't remember that second thought on Star Trek? Insurrection in about a decade? Speaker 0 00:55:16 <laugh>. Okay. Well that's what it is, Speaker 2 00:55:18 <laugh>. Anyway, so as they're, you know, planting the bombs, the stealth boat is going between both fleets. Carver launches, missiles at each fleet to beat them into starting a war while Lynn gets captured by Stamper because Carver notices her on the security cameras. That Speaker 0 00:55:36 Was absurd. Right. Speaker 2 00:55:38 That should Speaker 0 00:55:38 Known not paying attention. And that's whether you were able to get that Speaker 2 00:55:41 Far <laugh>. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's a lot of other stuff going on. Speaker 0 00:55:45 They're Speaker 2 00:55:46 Trying to a war. Yeah. <laugh>. Oh, I like that. Carver calls out, what the hell do I pay you for? Speaker 0 00:55:51 Yeah. Like all great villains, carvers brought low by incompetent underlines. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:55:55 Yeah. I like this though. Bond uses the body of a guard to trick stamper into thinking that bond is dead. Speaker 0 00:56:02 I like who he throws to them into the water. So Carver's not gonna go or not Carver, stamper not gonna go try to find it. Yep. Speaker 2 00:56:08 Yeah. And then, so Carver has wild in brought to him. He's monologuing. He makes a joke about how Bond is, uh, heading to the bottom of the South China Sea as his new anchor. Man, it took me until this watching to get that, that was like, like a newscaster joke. An anchorman. Speaker 0 00:56:25 Yeah. He also calls Willam the Girl, which I've commented before. I don't really like that. It's very Speaker 2 00:56:31 Romantic. And this is where he becomes prob even more problematic when he is like mocking my, this is absurd martial arts skills. The, although he is kick, when he did that, the end pretty high. I was impressed. Speaker 0 00:56:44 <laugh>, he's very flexible. Yeah. Must have been all that Broadway training. Why do the movies we cover keep having Asian racism in it? Anti-Asian racism in it? Speaker 2 00:56:52 Uh, Speaker 0 00:56:53 It's so weird. This is like the fifth one Speaker 2 00:56:55 Because it's out there. Speaker 0 00:56:58 I guess so. I guess so. Speaker 2 00:56:59 And it's not great, at Speaker 0 00:57:01 Least with Harriet. Like we saw a Ang this one at Hudson Hawk. Speaker 2 00:57:06 That's all the nineties period. Oh, the one went Hudson. Hudson Hawk, eighties and nineties. Yeah, it was just out there. I mean, you go back to even like Breakfast at Tiffany's and what's his face playing a Chinese stereotype. It's just there. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Anyways, back to this movie. Speaker 0 00:57:21 Right. Speaker 2 00:57:23 So we find out that M got Bond's message and she tells the admiralty, you know, Carver's been playing both sides of her fools. The message is then relayed to one of the ships in the British Navy, the hm s Bedford, who are told to look for the stealth boat. And like they're told, like to look for anything that might seem small, you know, like a Periscope or a dinghy. And I was like, okay, Speaker 0 00:57:44 Have we finished with a bad guy monologue at this Speaker 2 00:57:46 Point? No. It, it's, he like pauses. We go into this inside bar when comes again. Oh yeah. This is where we find out his entire plan. So he monologues says that apparently Gen General Chang's gonna call an emergency meeting of Chinese high command and the British missile will be launched and it'll take out everyone in a high command besides General Chang, who's been gonna be stuck in traffic and he will form a new world order. And Carver what, what, what does Carver get out of this exclusive broadcast rights in China for the next a hundred years? Speaker 0 00:58:19 So, yeah. So he, he makes money. He gets to sell papers. Like I said. Speaker 2 00:58:22 Well, it's not just that. It's, it's Chinese money, which at that time was big. I mean, even nowadays, think about how much pandering has been done in the past to the Chinese, you know, film audiences because China's money was big. Speaker 0 00:58:38 Yeah. I hate being such a cynical adult now. Like in this movie, it's pretty clear they're not trying to pander to China. You know, your Chinese characters in it. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it takes place there. Like nowadays it would feel a lot more cynical. Right. <laugh>. So that being said, while I have the Speaker 2 00:58:54 Floor, okay, sure. Speaker 0 00:58:55 The whole General Chang thing Yeah. Yeah. Is not well executed. Speaker 2 00:58:59 Fair enough. Cuz you seem once Yeah, yeah. Right. They Speaker 0 00:59:01 Seem once for like two seconds and then they just talk about him. It's a lot of telling don't show. Speaker 2 00:59:07 That's fair. You know, it's entirely fair. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:59:09 Like while he is monologuing, could we see him in general Chang like shaking hands or something? Or like scheming? Just so we have a idea of who this guy is. Speaker 2 00:59:18 Yeah. Yeah. That's Speaker 0 00:59:20 Fair. What happens to him at the end? Does he get, I assume he gets arrested again. We don't see it. Speaker 2 00:59:24 Yeah. In the, in the novelization. Uh, which I have read, uh, previously, not Uhuh specifically for the podcast, but I did read it. Uh, yeah, he, he does get like, uh, there's a whole separate subplot with him that he gets arrested. But it was in the movie. But also, yeah, you're right. They, there could have been another way to play that. Speaker 0 00:59:43 Yeah. I, I feel like it probably was on the cutting room floor and they had to make some edits and that's why all that weirdness is there. Speaker 2 00:59:51 Bon grabs Gupta and proposes a trade Gupta for while in, apparently Gupta's work is now done and the missiles ready to go. So Carver just kills Gupta. Speaker 0 01:00:03 Yeah. He also makes a comment to stamp so much for German efficiency. <laugh>. So he's an equal opportunity racist. Speaker 2 01:00:08 Ah yes. So Bond thankfully has a backup plan. He uses his watch to set off a grenade that he placed near a bunch of gas tanks. Speaker 0 01:00:18 Yeah. Didn't he do this in uh, Goldeneye? He tried to do it, it doesn't work. Speaker 2 01:00:22 And then he does it again at the end. Yeah. Successfully. Speaker 0 01:00:26 And would've been nice if the mines had looked the same. The iconic proximity mines from Goldeneye. Speaker 2 01:00:30 Yeah, it would've been nice, but it was a grenade so it was a little different, uh, while in gets loose in the chaos. And because of that explosion, the stealth boat is now visible on radar. Speaker 0 01:00:42 Yeah. It's all falling apart. Yeah. I love Speaker 2 01:00:44 It. So Whilen is in a corridor and she's taking out some guards with some very impressive Crescent kicks. Those are like, damn, those are good. Speaker 0 01:00:54 You like her shoe? She Speaker 2 01:00:55 Again, I was about to talk about that. That was sounds like that's the one gadget that she kind has <laugh>. Yeah, she meets up with Bond and they make a plan. LAN's gonna go to the engine room to stop the ship, whereas Bond is gonna go to stop the missile. Speaker 0 01:01:08 And meanwhile the Navy is shooting at the south ship, which I loved. I like it when they do that. Speaker 2 01:01:12 See the sailboat now on radar. They message the Chinese fleet. China declines to participate, but tells them good hunting. Speaker 0 01:01:18 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Speaker 2 01:01:19 And so they like can't get a radar lock. So they have to do this the old fashioned way, which is basically like, you know what you would do in Battleship, you Speaker 0 01:01:28 Shooting around Speaker 2 01:01:30 <laugh>. It was great. Yeah. So while in is, you know, going off to the engine room, she's firing two MP five s at the same time you Speaker 0 01:01:37 Wielding so nineties Speaker 2 01:01:39 Shuts down the engines, it's now dead in the water. So easier for the HMS Bedford to take them out. Speaker 0 01:01:45 Did you like how apparently her just shooting a computer a bunch of times with a gun stops the ship completely. Speaker 2 01:01:50 I'm good with that. I'm fine with that. <laugh>. Yeah, Speaker 0 01:01:53 It's Hollywood Speaker 2 01:01:54 And I mean nowadays even like systems are so dependent on computers that it probably would work Speaker 0 01:02:01 And they were known to break for no reason even when they're not shot by a gun. Speaker 2 01:02:06 <laugh>. Although percussive maintenance could, you know, cause the opposite effect too. And actually just fix it. Speaker 0 01:02:12 <laugh>, there you go. Also in Hollywood. Speaker 2 01:02:14 Yeah. Anyway, so Bond, uh, I like how at this point point he like uses one of the missile launchers that's supposed to go outside the ship, like shoots the um, Speaker 0 01:02:24 Yeah, it's inside the ship for no reason. Speaker 2 01:02:26 Yeah. But he like shoots the, shoots the well of it underneath where he is able to turn it around, launches it at the control center. And here I have my note. He just looks so cool cuz he is got the like classic um, James Bond, like couple of you know, strands of hair down the forehead. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And he's got his like tactical outfit on. He's firing his Walter P 99 and like an MP five just looked so cool. Speaker 0 01:02:50 So a couple quick thoughts. Yeah. When was the last time a US Navy ship fired at an elder ship? Like in the news? I can't remember it ever happening except for like that one time Obama killed all those Somali pirates. Speaker 2 01:03:04 I don't know, Speaker 0 01:03:05 I just can't think of an example. The reason why I bring it up is cuz I bet those Navy guys were so happy to actually be able to shoot something. Yeah. Must been ecstatic. Speaker 2 01:03:14 I know that, um, the US s Missouri got retrofitted for one of the, I think both Gulf Wars, so sometime around then, Speaker 0 01:03:22 But did they fire on another ship? Speaker 2 01:03:24 Oh no, no, no. Another ship. No. Right. Yeah. That's a great Speaker 0 01:03:28 Question. So my other observation here, and I know I brought this up before Yeah. And I should look up who said it, but the quote that video games turned James Bond from a swab super spy into a gun Todd in Commando. Speaker 2 01:03:39 Oh yeah. No, this is, I will push back on that because even as early as you only live twice and Spy Who Loved Me, there's scenes just like this where he's got it, you know, he or even, um, what's it on Herman Secret Service where he's ho wading a machine gun and it's blowing down a bunch of goons. Speaker 0 01:03:56 Right. They don't go on quite as long as this, but at that point I'm just nitpicking. Mm. The point is he, he still is a command owl. Speaker 2 01:04:03 Yeah. And I'll say that this is probably la the last actually with the exception of No Time to Die, this is the last movie which has Bond going into like, uh, from this point when 1997 until 2021 mm-hmm. <affirmative>, there's none of the other movies had Bond just going into a villain's lair taking out a bunch of goons Speaker 0 01:04:25 Shooting everybody on site. Speaker 2 01:04:26 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Up until all the way until No time to die. And that's, that's while in, you know, after taking out the engines is cornered by a couple of guards. She has two bullets Lefts hits two gas tubes to cover her escape and is able to getaway the B H M S. Bedford hits the stealth boat. They keep firing it. We get, they get the call to abandon ship Damper goes after while in on the order of Carver who says, have you tried checking the engine room sarcastically? Speaker 0 01:04:52 Yeah. Well stamp is like, have you found a girl? Go kill the girl. I'm like, first of all, the girl again. Second. That's what you're worried about. What about, you're like ship falling apart dude. What about your whole plan coming unraveled in front of your very eyes. Speaker 2 01:05:07 <laugh>? Yeah. So Bon recovers from the explosion of the, of the missile and does a nice Tarzan swing on some machines across the water. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but then Carver gets the drop on him Speaker 0 01:05:20 And Carver is not threatening even with a gun. Speaker 2 01:05:23 No. But Bon happens to be right in front of the controls for the sea drill, turns it on and uses it to turn Carver into mince meat. Speaker 0 01:05:32 What goes around comes around Speaker 2 01:05:33 <laugh> Stamper has, while Lynn captured and drops her in the water stamper and bon fight, Bon drops the missile on damper's foot. Speaker 0 01:05:44 <laugh> Speaker 2 01:05:45 <laugh> and like Speaker 0 01:05:46 Boy traps it. Yeah. Speaker 2 01:05:47 Yeah. Tries to kill Stamper by stabbing him in the arm in the chest not working. Stamper has him held over the water by his vest. And I like this Spawn pulls the knife out of Stamp's chest to cut himself out of his, uh, tactical vest. Speaker 0 01:06:02 Yeah. Creative Escape Speaker 2 01:06:04 Swims to go rescue Whale in gives her the breath of life kiss. Speaker 0 01:06:08 So I did not love how many times she was the Damnest one in distress in this movie. Like once or twice is to be expected. It was for like four times. Speaker 2 01:06:17 Okay. Well have them four times. I I can't even think of them. Speaker 0 01:06:20 So they've got the Devin Shire, you've, we've got, Speaker 2 01:06:23 What do you mean they don't, she's not a damsel in, she doesn't rescue that her, Speaker 0 01:06:27 No. Okay, fine. Speaker 2 01:06:28 They both realize we need to get out and Speaker 0 01:06:31 Right. We get right here. Yeah. We get earlier. Speaker 2 01:06:33 Earlier. Yeah. Speaker 0 01:06:34 When with Gupta, with his, with the gun to Goops Speaker 2 01:06:37 Hat. Yeah. Speaker 0 01:06:38 Fair. When they escape down the side of the building. Speaker 2 01:06:41 That's not, that's both of them. They both, she doesn't, he doesn't rescue her. They both, Speaker 0 01:06:46 They work together Speaker 2 01:06:47 Equally. Work together. Yes. Speaker 0 01:06:48 Okay. In the case it's only twice. Speaker 2 01:06:49 Yeah. It's only twice. Which is less than other Bond girls. And I think she, uh, you can tell she's definitely holding her own here and it was more a quirk of fate of why she's the one who got captured than Speaker 0 01:07:01 Him. It doesn't bother me. It is at the end of the day a James Bond movie and not a Waylen movie. So, Speaker 2 01:07:06 I mean, I would've watched that movie. That's what it's kind of what I'm hoping for from that Section 31 show that we may or may not ever get Speaker 0 01:07:15 <laugh>. Yeah, I don't know about that. Speaker 2 01:07:17 I mean, cuz she's just blown up right now, so I don't they don't have her booked under a contract, I assume Speaker 0 01:07:23 Might be too big for tv, Speaker 2 01:07:25 Maybe. Who knows? Speaker 0 01:07:26 And all the big actors are gonna TV so I dunno. Speaker 2 01:07:28 That's true. Yeah. Stamper explodes while is revived by the Breath of Life Kiss. And then m gets a report that Carver went down with a ship and bond survived. And Money Penny takes a memo from Amm that Carver died on his private yacht. Speaker 0 01:07:43 Yeah. That was the nice callback to all the obituaries from before. Speaker 2 01:07:47 Yeah. The HMS Bedford is looking for Bond and while in and Bond says, let's stay undercover. And we get that n that n theme that I like so much better than mm-hmm. <affirmative> tomorrow never dies. Speaker 0 01:07:58 And we get the classic ending of James Bond making out with a bond girl in a raft. Yes. We, I Speaker 2 01:08:03 Always like Yeah, <laugh> and would that our movie ends. Speaker 0 01:08:07 All right. So now it's time for our spy fact versus fiction. Always my favorite section. Do you want to go first? Speaker 2 01:08:13 Uh, you can go first. What do you have? Have, all Speaker 0 01:08:15 Right, so I'm gonna begin with the media. All right. So just, just some statistics from gallup.com, a poll in 2022. 2022, excuse me. 34% have a great deal or fair amount of confidence in media. Speaker 2 01:08:31 Interesting. All right. Speaker 0 01:08:32 38% have no trust at all. Speaker 2 01:08:36 <laugh>. Wow. Speaker 0 01:08:37 Yeah. And that outpaces a great deal, fair amount for the first time. But it is heavily divided along political lines. Speaker 2 01:08:44 Of course, Speaker 0 01:08:44 70% of Democrats, 14% of Republicans and 27% of independents trust the media. Speaker 2 01:08:50 Huh. Interesting. Speaker 0 01:08:52 William Randolph Hurst. Speaker 2 01:08:54 Okay. All right. Speaker 0 01:08:55 So the movie cites its sources. Speaker 2 01:08:58 <laugh>, I was gonna talk about this. You if you weren't. Speaker 0 01:09:02 Okay. So there's a one where Carver quotes him as saying, you furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war. Speaker 2 01:09:07 Yep. Well, he mis attributes. He, well he says provide instead of furnish. Speaker 0 01:09:12 Furnish, yes. Right. So I was hoping that I could be the one to bring it up. I wanted to be the smart one. I hated what the movie gives the sources away. Yeah, of course. I knew it from Citizen King. Speaker 2 01:09:22 Uh, Speaker 0 01:09:23 Did you also know that from Citizen Speaker 2 01:09:25 King? I, I've actually never seen Citizen Kane. I know. Speaker 0 01:09:27 Okay. So the true story of William Randolph Hurst's 1897 cable to Frederick Remington by Ken Lawrence Uhhuh <affirmative>. So sometime before the destruction of the main, which sets the Spanish American War. Right. Legend goes that Hurst sent this journalist in Havana. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, please remain. You furnish the picture is that I'll furnish the war. Okay? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but it's very disputed. Okay. His own son thinks that he never sent it. And there's a real quip by someone in August 31st, 1897 said, quote, if the Amir of Afghanistan proclaims a Holy War, he will find that he will furnish the war and that British bullets will furnish the holes. Speaker 2 01:10:10 Hmm. Interesting. Or the Speaker 0 01:10:11 Holies will furnish the holies, get a Holy War. Whatever the telegram did reflect Hurst's feelings, even if he didn't literally say that phrase, Speaker 2 01:10:20 Ah, okay. Speaker 0 01:10:21 He said, whatever is right can be achieved through the irresistible power of awakened and informed public opinion. Our object therefore, is not to inquire whether a thing can be done, but whether it ought to be done. And if it ought to be done to so exert the forces of publicity that public opinion will compel it to be done. Speaker 0 01:10:39 Hmm. And by the way, there's a part in Daredevil Born Again where Sison, the Spiderman antagonist has a big speech about the power of news. Cuz a newspaper has millions of readers and they can topple governments and they can do all sorts of things. By the way, according to Wikipedia, Hurst was a big supporter of Japanese internment during World War ii. So maybe he carver out more in common than you think. Hmm. First also uses media power to demonize Japanese Americans and to drum up support for the internment of Japanese Americans. Like, you know, demonization of Japanese was common, but Japanese Americans, that's different. Speaker 2 01:11:13 Well, no, that's exactly what was going on with internment. Speaker 0 01:11:16 Okay. So moving on, Whelan says she's part of the People's external security force. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> that is fictional. China's intelligence is called the Ministry of State Security, Speaker 2 01:11:26 Uh, Speaker 0 01:11:27 Unless they've changed it since the nineties, but I don't think so. Speaker 2 01:11:30 <inaudible> actually, they Speaker 0 01:11:31 Were the principal civilian intelligence, security and secret police agency of China responsible for counterintel foreign intel and political security. It's all according to Wikipedia. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So needless to say, if she really existed, she would work for them. Yeah. And then there's an article on the Atlanta called Chinese characters are futuristic and the alphabet is old news. Chinese has 75,000 individual characters mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So people are like, how are you supposed to make a typewriter or a computer with that? Right. So there's an interview with this guy named Tom Elaney, a historian of modern China, where he says, in layman's terms, a Chinese keyboard works the way Google Auto complete does. Speaker 2 01:12:09 Huh. Really? Speaker 0 01:12:11 Where if you hit a button, it's not one button equals one letter. Yeah. It's one button starts the beginning of a character and then it starts to predict what character you're going for. Speaker 2 01:12:21 Fascinating. Speaker 0 01:12:22 And then you keep typing to get closer to the one you want. It's actually, according to him, maybe more efficient and definitely uses computers in a way that's more fitting of their great power. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> great computing power than just one letter equals one stroke of the key. Um, but at this point, like, we're not gonna change. No. It's gonna be pretty, pretty tough to get people to change. And then finally from Steve Jones on cora.com, what happens if you blow up a nuke without properly detonating it? Speaker 2 01:12:51 <laugh>, Speaker 0 01:12:52 He says, if you use a sufficient amount of explosive, it will just blast it to pieces and scatter it around. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, which could be dangerous if there's plutonium or something in it mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But in order to create the critical mass you would need to basically use it the way it's supposed to be used. Speaker 2 01:13:10 All right. That's, Speaker 0 01:13:11 That's the short answer. That's what I got. Speaker 2 01:13:13 So the original title of the movie was Not Tomorrow Never Dies, but Tomorrow Never Lies. Speaker 0 01:13:20 What? That's even worse. Speaker 2 01:13:21 No, it makes more sense because it's saying that the the newspaper tomorrow never lies. Speaker 0 01:13:27 No, I understand that. Yeah. Speaker 2 01:13:29 But, but what, what It makes more sense than tomorrow never dies. Cuz what does that even mean? Speaker 0 01:13:34 It's like Annie, tomorrow, tomorrow you're always a day away. Like tomorrow will always be there unless there's a nuclear war, I guess. Speaker 2 01:13:41 Yeah. But what does that have to do with anything in the plot? Speaker 0 01:13:43 Well, it's a universal truth. It's like, uh, die another day or the World. It's like more like the world is not enough, Speaker 2 01:13:51 World is not enough is from bond's family motto. Speaker 0 01:13:53 Right. It's an assertion. It doesn't necessarily need to be tied directly to the plot is what I'm Speaker 2 01:13:58 Saying. Yeah. So it was actually because of a typing error that it became tomorrow Never Dies. Oh, really? And then MGM thought it was, oh, that's an even better title. Let's keep that. Speaker 0 01:14:07 Well which one do you like better? Speaker 2 01:14:08 I like Tomorrow Never Lies better. Okay. So additionally, the original plot, or at least the proposed idea for the plot, was going to take place in Hong Kong because 1997 is the year the handover took place. Speaker 0 01:14:23 Okay. Speaker 2 01:14:24 But they realized that it would horribly date the film if they had it taking place during the handover, like as that a, as a plot element. And also if something bad actually happened during the handover, it would not be good for the film Speaker 0 01:14:37 <laugh>. Well, that's true. That's true. But I guess why couldn't they have it be in Hong Kong and just not talk about the Speaker 2 01:14:43 Handover? I don't know because it, I I they just didn't wanna risk anything going on with that. Speaker 0 01:14:47 Yeah. Where they disrupted filming if, you know. Yeah. Some, something happened. So Speaker 2 01:14:52 There you go. All right. So earlier in the film, uh, when you have the terrorist supermarket, they mentioned some that they, like someone was responsible for the Tokyo subway attack. Now there was an actual Tokyo subway attack in March 20th, 1995. So only a few years before this film was made where, um, domestic terrorists released Sarga on three lines of the Tokyo Metro. This is Wikipedia. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And it in killed 13 people to people and severely injured 50 people. So I thought that like when that, when they mentioned the Tokyo subway text was like, that seems too specific a reference to not be real, Speaker 0 01:15:27 Right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah, I had heard of that. What was their motive? Speaker 2 01:15:32 Uh, I don't remember. Just clicked away from the tab Speaker 0 01:15:35 <laugh>. Oh, okay. I think if I recall quickly, there were some kind of messianic like doomsday cult Speaker 2 01:15:40 Hmm. Speaker 0 01:15:40 As opposed to some kind of political terrorist or Speaker 2 01:15:43 Something like that. Uh, you are correct. Actually, I just pulled it up. Yeah. GPS is known as the this from Wikipedia is the global positioning system, not the global positioning satellite as they say in the film. Speaker 0 01:15:54 Oh, I didn't know that. Speaker 2 01:15:55 Yeah. And it's one of the global navigation systems that provides geolocation and time information for navigation. So that's what g p s is. I feel like around this time every movie either had g p s or what's the thing in Golden Eye? Speaker 0 01:16:12 Tom Tom? Speaker 2 01:16:13 No, Speaker 0 01:16:14 <laugh> Speaker 2 01:16:15 The Gadget. Oh. Um, an E M P. So every movie around this era, be it The Matrix or Tomorrow Never Dies Golden Eye. Have you ever had some explanation of either GPS or an E M P, Speaker 0 01:16:26 The new high technology, I suppose Uhhuh Speaker 2 01:16:28 <affirmative>? Yeah. All right, so let's talk about stealth boats. Speaker 0 01:16:33 Okay. Speaker 2 01:16:34 So the stealth ships do exist. There was one that looks very similar to the stealth boat in this movie known as the Sea Shadow or the IX 5 29, which is an, and this from Wikipedia, it's an experimental stealth ship ba built by Lockheed for the US Navy. It was built in 1984. So before this movie came out, um, I think it's, when was it decommissioned In 20, the 2006 actually. But it was never saw active duty. So it was only ever only a test. One of their newest classes Destroyers. The Zumwalt class is another stealth ship. You may have have heard of this one because the USS Zumwalt is captained by one James A. Kirk, and he made headlines because his name was James Kirk and he was captain of a ship. Speaker 0 01:17:17 Oh yeah, I did hear about that. Yeah. Speaker 2 01:17:19 So we also have the halo jump or the high altitude, low opening jump Origins ba date back to 1960 when the US Air Force began conducting experiments that followed earlier, earlier work by Colonel John Stop in the nine, late 1940s on survivability for pilots injecting the high al. So the, uh, technique is used to airdrop supplies, equipment or personnel at high altitudes where aircraft can fly above surface to air missile engagements through enemy skies without posing a threat to the transport or load. Um, but yeah, so we also have seen halo jumps, obviously in Mission Impossible fallout where Tom Cruise did one for real. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Alright. I briefly, I kind of touched on this at in our discussion, but, you know, Chinese broadcast rights, I couldn't find anything specifically on tv. At least nothing. They went into detail on how Well, except for the, you know, they are restrictive in what they show. Right. The most I could get for about, you know, Chinese, uh, films. And from Wikipedia, they only allow 36 Western films each year. Speaker 0 01:18:20 One of them tomorrow never dies. Speaker 2 01:18:22 I don't think so. <laugh> now, according to a variety article from a few days ago, Chinese box office is actually slowing down pre pandemic. They would be billion worth, billions of dollars. Yeah. In 2019, uh, box office about this time was worth 8.1 billion. Speaker 0 01:18:42 That's not bad. Speaker 2 01:18:43 Right now it's at the 3.88 billion. Still billions. But you know, it's not as worth as much as it was before when you had a lot of films, specifically Western films, fighting for those 36 slots. Speaker 0 01:18:54 Right. Speaker 2 01:18:55 So, you know, I can see why Carver would want immediate exclusivity in China for the next a hundred years and what that would be worth to him. Speaker 0 01:19:03 You make a lot of money, people have killed people for less, a lot less. Speaker 2 01:19:07 Now I do wanna touch briefly upon something else about William Rud, Randolph Huffy Hurst. You kinda gla glossed over the point about the USS Maine. Speaker 0 01:19:17 Yeah. I didn't want to get into the whole Spanish American war thing, but if you'd like to, Speaker 2 01:19:21 Well, I'm not getting into it, but the fact that that was one of the contributors to the US getting involved in this war and it being a ship which was suddenly blown up, I feel like it ties right back into this film, into the inspirations. Alright. He's, you usually, you know, the destruction of a ship to try to launch this two, this war between these two superpowers. So I like that it was, you know, it's, it's right there in the writing. Speaker 0 01:19:44 Yeah. Well, like I said, the movie showed its sources, which I don't appreciate. There's a movie that they covered on mystery science theater called Red Zone Cuba, Uhhuh, which is about a bunch of guys, schmucks, you might say lowlifes who get hired by the US government to invade Cuba and try to kill Castro. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, there's a part where one of them is sitting there smoking and he says, this is just like the Bay of Pigs Speaker 2 01:20:06 <laugh>. Speaker 2 01:20:09 Uh, anyway, so there are a couple other people who's, you know, influenced or inspired. Um, Elliot Carver, as you said, you know, Randolph Hurst and also Steve Jobs with the look another be, and as I said, one of them other ones being Rupert Murdoch. Now, there was a line earlier in the film where, uh, I think it was the Ministry of Defense said, PM would have my head if he knew we were investigating Carver. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, this is a reference to the fact that, uh, what's his name? Rupert Murdoch was close friends with, uh, the P Prime minister at the time, who was Tony Blair. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So it's a nod to that memo at the end where Money Money takes a memo from m and saying that he, you know, died on his private yacht is a reference to another me, you know, inspiration. Robert Maxwell, who was a checo Avakian born British media proprietor who died body found overboard on his yacht. Speaker 0 01:21:02 So he died under mysterious circumstances. Yep. Speaker 2 01:21:04 Yep. Speaker 0 01:21:05 Is this all from Wikipedia too? Isn't Speaker 2 01:21:07 From Wikipedia? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. All right. And that is what I have from Spy Factor and Spy fiction. Speaker 0 01:21:12 All right. So now it is time for favorite quotes. There's a lot of them. Would you like to go first this time? Speaker 2 01:21:17 Sure. I, I, like, I am a professor of forensic medicine. Believe Mr. Mr. Bon, I could shoot you from Stuttgart and still create the proper effect. Speaker 0 01:21:26 Get it. He's German Speaker 2 01:21:28 There enough plutonium to make sure that noble look like picnic Speaker 0 01:21:32 <laugh>. Speaker 2 01:21:32 You said in your thing, your sp fact was fiction. You know, it wouldn't detonate the bomb, but the plutonium would not be great. Speaker 0 01:21:39 <laugh>. That being said, I don't know enough to really say. I don't know if that clear about Cher Noble would necessarily be true. No. Having seen the TV show Cher Noble, where it's just spewing radiation for Speaker 2 01:21:50 Weeks. Speaker 0 01:21:50 Yeah, Speaker 2 01:21:51 Yeah. Bond. Uh, it's the opportunities for travel that I like best about banking when he is in the water with, uh, whale Speaker 0 01:21:59 Wayland. Yeah. Speaker 2 01:22:00 Yeah. Words in the new weapon. Satellites the new artillery. Caesar has legions. Napoleon had his armies. I have my divisions tv, news magazines, Speaker 0 01:22:10 Bad guy, Speaker 2 01:22:11 Mono Line. Ah, and lastly, you forgot the first rule of mass media Elliot. Give the people what they want. Speaker 0 01:22:19 <laugh>. Yeah, that's, well, I was gonna say that's after the kill, but Tim leaves before the kill. Speaker 2 01:22:22 Yeah. Yeah. So that's it. I I I like Broden here he is. He is good. And that, that line was like, I don't Speaker 0 01:22:27 Really get it. Like, do the people want to kill Carver? Is that just what Speaker 2 01:22:31 No, the peoples don't, well, don't want war. And also I'd say wanna kill him. Speaker 0 01:22:36 <laugh>. All right. So Christian, for mine, I'm going to do something I have never done before. Oh. I probably will never do again. Oh. Which is favorite quotes and quotes that I liked because they were so bad. Speaker 2 01:22:47 <laugh>. Oh. Oh. This could be a new segment because especially for Bon Films, cuz they're just so, there are so many, I mean, I love them, but you know, they're, they're pretty cheesy. Speaker 0 01:22:58 Okay. So not including the ones that we've already covered. Yeah. With one exception I liked Can your people, people keep anything locked up in a reference to the Russian guy? Speaker 2 01:23:08 Yep. Speaker 0 01:23:08 Yep. But then when Stamper is shooting the torpedo and he goes, knock Knock was really Speaker 2 01:23:14 Bad, <laugh>, Speaker 0 01:23:16 It was great when Arnold Schwarzenegger in Commando popped in, said, knock, knock and shot everybody. But you, my friend Arnold know Arnold Schwarzenegger Speaker 2 01:23:24 <laugh>, Speaker 0 01:23:25 Someone says there's no news, like bad news. And then of course the cunning, linguist one, which is so really bad, that same doctor, whatever his name is, the German guy. Yeah, yeah. He says, no, I'm a professor of forensics. This is more like a hobby. Speaker 2 01:23:41 <laugh> Speaker 0 01:23:41 Killing people. One of my favorites cuz it was really bad stamper again about that same guy says he was like a father to me. And it's just so interesting, Speaker 2 01:23:50 Interesting role model. Speaker 0 01:23:51 I laughed out loud, how about how bad it was. Also, when Bon says, let's take the highway. Ugh. I, he's my new anchor. Man. Speaker 2 01:23:59 Surprised it took me till now to actually have that one sink in. Yeah. But I'm bump Do you need to appreciate my sick end joke? Come on. Speaker 0 01:24:07 No, I, I, I got it. I got it. Okay. So a couple more ones. I liked Jon Baker says, we have no interest in World War III unless we start. And then when we says, he says decadent each of the corrupt Western power. And then my last one, which is one that I liked because it was so bad, is let's stay undercover. Speaker 2 01:24:25 <laugh>. Okay. Speaker 0 01:24:26 All right. So now it's time for our ratings. On a scale of one to 10 martinis, one being Avengers 1997 and 10 being better than No Time to Die, how would we rate tomorrow? Never dies. I think I have a suspicion about how you're gonna rate it. Speaker 2 01:24:42 I have a suspicion on how you're gonna go as well. So why don't you go first? Speaker 0 01:24:46 We're like circling off here. Okay. So everything with Michelle Yo is amazing, but she's only in the second half of the movie in any real capacity. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Alright. The villain kind of sucks. The henchman is terrible and the plot line doesn't do that much to me. There is interesting ideas here, so it's not truly bad mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but it is like average to mediocre on the whole, in my opinion. Alright. So I'll give it five outta 10 more. Speaker 2 01:25:15 Wow. Alright. So this for me, this is classic bond. This is the most classic bond we've gotten since this movie. Basically. I mean, you World is not enough is it's actually, you know, it's, it's good, but it's not this classic bond of all right, you've got your villain layers, you've got your model logging, you know, bad guys and your Arian looking henchman, right? Yeah. And obviously Die other days just ridiculous over top. And so it's not really classic bond and all of the, you know, Craig's I love and they're great, but they don't have, Speaker 0 01:25:50 They're very different. Speaker 2 01:25:51 Yeah. They're very different. Craig just doesn't have the, the lightness of touch that Brazen has. And I think it's here. Like, you know, it is Golden is great. Sure. But it's here where he grew into the role really. So I real, and not just because this is I think the diverse Bond movie that I saw, but because it's just so classic and you know, it's, it's obvious the nineties time I grew, you know, when we grew up. So Bran was Bond and then for me it holds up like the ideas that it presents, maybe they're not fully formed, but how many f ideas like that are fully formed in most Bond films you have. It'll touch on something of the moment, but it won't really, you know, dive into it as you might want it to. Speaker 0 01:26:31 Yeah. It's rare that you get a big idea like that. No, certainly Engineers Bond movie. Speaker 2 01:26:35 Yeah. So I enjoy the fact of, of all right, you know, they're tackling the co topic of media, which is more important now than it ever was before. I mean, you want to talk about <laugh>? I, we didn't, no one, we didn't make this comparison at all. But you wanna talk about someone who's an egomaniac who has now taken over a communications system and has been having terrible times with it. We, I was surprised we didn't talk about Elon Musk at all. Speaker 0 01:27:04 <laugh>. I don't have an ax to grind against Elon Musk. Speaker 2 01:27:06 I don't either. I'm just saying that, you know, in terms of like comparisons, it, it's, it's there too. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So I'm, so I, I think this movie, like I, like I said, I think it should be reevaluated and put closer to the top of my other of people's lists than, you know, usually where it sits near the bottom. So I'm gonna give this an eight outta 10. Speaker 0 01:27:27 Okay. Do you think part of the problem is people see it as the beginning of the end for pre-Reg Bond? No, I think it gets lumped in with World and die as like, ooh, the bad brazen ones and the decline Speaker 2 01:27:42 Is not enough as a bad one. Actually, they always, they think of they people like it more than they do tomorrow, never dies. Speaker 0 01:27:48 I think they just see all three of them as kind of interchangeable. Certainly Pierce Proton did, he has that famous quote where after Golden and I, they all kind of run Speaker 2 01:27:55 Together, which is fair because they've all f like if you think about how qu close they filmed, it was what, 95? 97? 99 and then 2002. That is very close together. So fair, fair play to him, you know? But nah, I don't know. Maybe. I think, well I also think, here's the thing about each bond, when there's a new bond, the last one will always sort of get, you know, lambasted when there that, when that new bond is in play. But once that bond leaves, then the bond two bonds ago will be reappraised and reevaluated and you'll have a resurgence of like, for this person, it's happening now for Broden. Really? Speaker 0 01:28:33 That's true. That's certainly something that happens with Star Wars, where current Star or or Star Trek, like current Star Wars sucks and this is the one, five minutes ago is great <laugh>, right? So shall it always be. Speaker 2 01:28:44 Yeah. I think that about covers it from me. Um, but yeah, I would say, yeah, I re I highly recommend this movie. I think it's a lot of fun. It is. It's a breath of fresh air after, you know, the much more serious down earth ness of the Craig films. It's, it's a different feel. It's a different take. And uh, you know, I would say I hope Rosden gets more roles. I mean he like that he can just sort of play with watching him in Remington Steel and just his comedic touch. Yeah. Speaker 0 01:29:13 It helps if you're a Michelle Yo fan, that'll get but some of the seats too. Oh Speaker 2 01:29:17 Yeah. Oh yeah. Mm-hmm. Speaker 0 01:29:17 <affirmative>. Alright, well thank you for joining us. You can find us on social media at the sp guys on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. Until next time, I'm Zach Speaker 2 01:29:26 And I'm Christian. And Speaker 0 01:29:27 We are the Spfi guys. Signing off. Speaker 2 01:29:33 Thank you for listening to the SP guys. If you enjoyed our podcast, please be sure to give us a five star rating on iTunes. The theme song from this podcast is Mistake The Getaway by Kevin Mcle from incompetent.com, licensed under creative comments by attribution 3.0. Films, books and television shows reviewed by our podcast are the intellectual property of their respective copyright holders. And No in Frit is intended. This Speaker 3 01:30:00 Is a personal podcast. Any views, statements, or opinions expressed in this podcast are personal and belong solely to the participants. They do not represent those, the people, institutions, or organizations that the participants may or may not be associated with in a professional or personal capacity. Unless explicitly stated any views or opinions are not intended to malign any religion, ethnic, group, club, organization, company, or individual. Speaker 2 01:30:24 You can find our podcast on social media at the Spotify, guys on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram.
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