"Bravo Two Zero"

[00:00:00] Speaker A: A true story of survival against all odds. We are the Spy Fi Guys and this is Bravo 20. [00:00:11] Speaker B: Welcome to the Spy Fi guys. So I apologize to the universe for that. [00:00:17] Speaker A: Yes. Wow. [00:00:19] Speaker B: Justice for Denison. [00:00:21] Speaker A: Is it though? [00:00:22] Speaker B: I laughed and then I heated myself for laughing. [00:00:27] Speaker A: Foreign. Welcome to Spy Fi Guys, where we cover spy facts, spy fiction, and everything in between. I'm Christian. [00:00:38] Speaker B: And I'm Zach. [00:00:39] Speaker A: And today we have a true story with Sean Bean called Bravo two zero, which I'd never heard of. Zach, how did we find this? [00:00:49] Speaker B: I was hoping you would know. [00:00:51] Speaker A: It was in our master list and. [00:00:53] Speaker B: I think it was the Gremlins again. Long time listeners may remember that we had a movie. I don't recall which one. [00:01:00] Speaker A: I think it was the. The man with a Million Faces or whatever. The Smoke and Mirrors. [00:01:07] Speaker B: Smoke and Mirrors, the Spanish movie? Yeah. Neither of us put it on our list and both thought the other one had. [00:01:13] Speaker A: So. [00:01:14] Speaker B: Yeah. So here on the Spy Fi guys, we do spy movies, but we also do military intelligence movies. And this is an example of that. I don't know where we found this movie. It has Sean Bean in it. And I think what made me pick the one for this week is as longtime listeners may also recall, I'm always on the hunt for something different. [00:01:35] Speaker A: And this is different, kind of. [00:01:38] Speaker B: Yeah. I was telling someone this week and maybe I told you already, Christian, if I have to watch another movie where a Nazi looks at the character's paperwork, looks up at them, looks down at the paperwork, looks at them again, and then says, you can leave, I'm going to like go crazy. So this movie jumped out to me because we got sas, we got Gulf War one or Iraq War one. [00:02:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:00] Speaker B: I don't think we've done that particular war before. So I was like, let's just go for it and see what happens. [00:02:07] Speaker A: Yeah. And we. Yeah, we haven't really done a lot of SAS stuff. [00:02:11] Speaker B: I think, as far as I'm aware, this is the first one. [00:02:13] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. [00:02:15] Speaker B: Before we talk about the movie, how much do you know about the sas? [00:02:20] Speaker A: Not much. I mean, other than that they're this. What is it? The Special Army Service. Is that right? [00:02:26] Speaker B: No. [00:02:26] Speaker A: Special Air Service. Yeah. [00:02:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:28] Speaker A: Learned that they're Brits and that they're the elite, you know, fighting force, basically. Yeah. [00:02:34] Speaker B: So I'll tell you two things about it. One is funny and one. The other is not. The first one is I read a history of them because it was. It was called who Dares Wins? Which is. You may have heard that before. And yeah, they do Special jobs. I remember the Falklands War was one that they talked about. But the reason why I read that was because I read a different comic book by Garth Ennis. [00:02:58] Speaker A: Oh, yes. This one. [00:02:59] Speaker B: A guy I know you're not the biggest fan of, not really, but it was called Hitman. Did you ever read. [00:03:05] Speaker A: I've seen his appearance in other comics. [00:03:08] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. So it's not a superhero book. It was, like, billed as a superhero book, but it's mostly about crime. And there's a part where our main characters get targeted by an SAS unit and they hype the SAS to a ridiculous level. So Garth and his fans may know he's a bit of a military simp. He's a simp for the military, especially the British military. [00:03:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:31] Speaker B: Don't come find me, Garth. I'm so afraid of you. But anyway, so like, in. In the comic, the characters are like, forget God, forget the devil, forget Superman. These guys are way more dangerous than all of them because they're the sas. Wow. So, yeah. [00:03:47] Speaker A: All right, so what's. Is that the funny. Is that the funny thing? [00:03:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:50] Speaker A: What's the not funny thing? [00:03:51] Speaker B: The not funny one was just I read a book about them. They do Special Forces stuff and blah, blah, blah. [00:03:56] Speaker A: And I guess the. In the sort of BO world, there's the line from Casino Royale where Ve Vesper Pegs Bond is a former SAS type with easy smiles and expensive watch. Wow. Yeah. But according to his B bio, he's actually sbs, which is the Special Boat Service, which is the naval equivalent. [00:04:17] Speaker B: Yeah. And they aren't. They don't get nearly the same. [00:04:20] Speaker A: They do not. No. But they're still as impressive. Actually, I've read a little bit about them. [00:04:25] Speaker B: Good plot synopsis. [00:04:33] Speaker A: All right, shall we get into it? So what's our. Give us our. Our plots. [00:04:37] Speaker B: Yeah. So, as always, we have our plot summaries in poetry form. As always, spoilers begin right here for a movie that came out in 1999. So first we have our haiku for Bravo 2. Zero Mercy for Shepherd. 2km from Border Foreskin does the trick. [00:04:59] Speaker A: All right. [00:05:00] Speaker B: I thought you'd appreciate that. [00:05:01] Speaker A: That's nice. Yep. [00:05:02] Speaker B: And then here is the haiku summarizing. Bravo 20. There once was a squad of 8 buds who went out to foil some Scuds. They wandered around, they got run to the ground. The mission and movie were duds. [00:05:15] Speaker A: I guess that reveals what you thought. [00:05:17] Speaker B: Of it in general. Yes. And then here is the real IMDb plot summary, which is very long, just so you know. [00:05:24] Speaker A: Sure. [00:05:25] Speaker B: This is the true story of the most highly decorated British patrol since the Boer War. An eight man SAS team inserted behind Iraqi lines during the Gulf War in January 1991. Their mission was to take out the Scud Mitchell Scud missiles which Saddam Hussein was using to terrorize his enemies, as well as to sever the strategic communications line between Baghdad and northwest Iraq. This top secret mission was called Bravo Two Zero and it was commanded by Sergeant Andy McNabb. Of the eight who went out, only five returned. Dropped into Scud Alley carrying 210 pound packs, McNabb and his men soon found themselves surrounded by Saddam's army. Their radios didn't work, the weather was brutally cold and they had been spotted. [00:06:04] Speaker A: That is very detailed. [00:06:06] Speaker B: Yeah, I didn't know they were the most highly decorated British patrol. That was not in the movie at all. [00:06:13] Speaker A: Alrighty, shall we get into it then? [00:06:15] Speaker B: Yeah. So the movie is off to a bad start because we get the Miramax title. [00:06:21] Speaker A: All right, why is Miramax to you? Is it because of what's his face? [00:06:25] Speaker B: Yes. [00:06:25] Speaker A: Okay. [00:06:27] Speaker B: Now that they. They make good movies, but still I. Oh, sorry, what's his face is listeners. Yeah, and then we learned that it's basically a BBC TV movie. [00:06:37] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So, but we start off here very Top Gun. Oh, sure, definitely Jet taking off from an aircraft carrier. Although I assume this is a. Actually, I don't know, this could be an American jet because it is the Gulf War. [00:06:52] Speaker B: It had the star on it, so I think it's American. I'm pretty sure that they did the trick of just using documentary. [00:06:57] Speaker A: Oh, they definitely did, yeah. [00:06:58] Speaker B: News footage. [00:06:59] Speaker A: But yeah, so they're talking about action on Iraq and President Bush. I'm like, wait, what year is this? I had to think about it for a second. So. But yes, it's. Oh, then you see very quickly, that's Bush Senior. So, okay, that. So it's first Gulf War and not, you know, the second one. [00:07:17] Speaker B: Right. Also, if you looked up, the movie was made in 1999. [00:07:19] Speaker A: Yeah, that too. That would have shown. But I've kind of. I already forgot once I started watching it. But then we get the. Based on a true story of an SAS patrol behind enemy lines in Iraq. And we start off with Sean Bean at home coming out of the shower. We get another character with a bunch of kids who's leaving home, another who's in bed with his lovers. We get no names for any of these guys until like halfway through the movie. [00:07:42] Speaker B: We don't get names, Christian, but we get boobs. That's A great start to the movie. I love that. [00:07:48] Speaker A: And a sound that takes me a while to realize, oh, that's. That's a landline phone. It didn't sound like a regular landline phone, but it was. Yeah. [00:07:56] Speaker B: So I watched this with my wife, the parts that she stayed awake for. And she said she really appreciated how in this movie it starts with them at home. Most horror movies don't start like that. It starts with them in camp. [00:08:06] Speaker A: It's true. [00:08:07] Speaker B: And their day starts like just a normal day. [00:08:11] Speaker A: And there's a real sort of getting the band back together montage feel with this. Like, they even pull one guy out of the pub. [00:08:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Literally. It certainly isn't like shipping off to World War II. Like their wives drive them to the base. That was interesting. [00:08:26] Speaker A: And we have a voice over from Sean Bean's character, whose name is Andy McNabb. Andy McNabb. That's like the only one I actually remembered. And he's talking about how every soldier wishes for a war. [00:08:37] Speaker B: This is mine, you know, I wonder if that's true. I think Special Forces soldiers maybe. [00:08:44] Speaker A: Sure. [00:08:45] Speaker B: But having had quite a bit of experience working with soldiers, I think a lot of them just want to do their time and get out, I think. [00:08:53] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:08:54] Speaker B: Feel free to write in if you have opinions. [00:08:57] Speaker A: But yeah, so they're shown to their base and they're shown all their gear. We see the biological and chemical protection suits. [00:09:04] Speaker B: Yeah, that was the thing for Gulf War One, because Saddam was believed to have had chemical weapons. Right. There's a little bit of racism. Did you notice that part? [00:09:13] Speaker A: No, I might have missed it. [00:09:14] Speaker B: Okay, don't cancel me for saying this, but one of them says something like, we're going to go fight the raggies. [00:09:20] Speaker A: As in raghead. Yeah, that's not great. [00:09:24] Speaker B: I mean, it's a characterization moment, which I thought was interesting. [00:09:27] Speaker A: Well, it's about as good as that. You know, I remember I had it account for all of our World War II movies and the amount of times they said it, you know, a slur for Japanese people. [00:09:36] Speaker B: Yeah, that's true. So in that respect, this movie is a lot better. But then another point in this movie's favor is Rick Warden is in it as one of the eight guys. Rick Warden played Harry Welsh in Band of Brothers. [00:09:48] Speaker A: To say as a Band of Brothers guy, isn't he? [00:09:51] Speaker B: That's right. [00:09:52] Speaker A: And then they're eating their, you know, their. Whatever the British equivalent to MREs are the meals ready to eat. Have you ever ate one of those? [00:09:59] Speaker B: I. I think you Told me that you ate one once. I don't think I've ever. [00:10:02] Speaker A: Boy Scouts. Yeah, we had some of those and was like, his are pretty terrible. [00:10:05] Speaker B: So are you the one who watches the channel where the guy opens the MREs and tries them? I think that might be CJ. [00:10:11] Speaker A: That might be CJ. [00:10:12] Speaker B: CJ for those of you listening, he did our. He does our World War II episodes with us. [00:10:17] Speaker A: And then we get, you know, the first. We have them saying, oh, they see their first attack. And I'm like, this has got to be. Yeah. Real news footage. Because the quality of it is much different than the rest of the film. Yeah. [00:10:28] Speaker B: You can immediately tell now that the rest of the film is especially high quality either. [00:10:33] Speaker A: Okay. So they get their assignment. They're supposed to go, you know, to the main sort of service road and cut the wires for something. I didn't quite catch what it was. [00:10:43] Speaker B: Oh, is it because of the accents? [00:10:46] Speaker A: Did throw me off. Yeah. [00:10:47] Speaker B: Did you not watch it with subtitles? [00:10:50] Speaker A: First half, I forgot I had subtitles. I was like, oh, wait, there's subtitles. Let me turn them on. [00:10:53] Speaker B: So, yeah, subtitles are key. So they explain that Iraq is shooting missiles into Israel, which will try to. Trying to provoke a response. And the Air Force can hit the missile launchers that are in place, but the mobile ones, they can't because they're mobile. They keep moving around. But the mobile ones need to be able to communicate with Baghdad in order to function. So the SAS have to go and cut the wires. That will render them inoperable. [00:11:19] Speaker A: All right. All right. I knew something about wires and missiles I couldn't quite figure out. [00:11:24] Speaker B: Yeah, the accents are tough. [00:11:26] Speaker A: Yeah. I feel like I watch enough British stuff that I should be able to get it, but for some reason, this one was just like. I think it's not just this. There was a lot of different accents, too. So that's what it was like. I had to keep sort of switching mindsets on what. Yeah, yeah. [00:11:42] Speaker B: There's different accents. Also the sound quality, like the rest of the production quality is not so hot. [00:11:48] Speaker A: Yeah. So they go and they start to gather their gear. And one of the soldiers mentions that this is the first time that the entire regiment has been together since, like, World War II. [00:11:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:59] Speaker A: And so they're raiding, like, the other parts of the regiment's gear to make sure that they have all the things they need because they ship out in three days. [00:12:06] Speaker B: So this was something that was interesting as. Because later, when they're lost in the woods, my wife asked why don't they have night vision goggles? [00:12:13] Speaker A: I'm sure they did. It was all of the pets they left. [00:12:16] Speaker B: Well, there's might be that. And also, again, something in my experience with the military is just because these fancy toys exist doesn't mean any specific soldier is going to have them at any specific time. [00:12:27] Speaker A: Fair enough. [00:12:28] Speaker B: Especially when you're talking about a lot of people. But they also say they have bad intel, bad maps, don't know anything about the terrain. So for those of you who are like, why are you covering this on a spy movie podcast? That's the angle. Okay. It's bad intelligence that causes the whole mess. [00:12:43] Speaker A: Oh, is that why I was wondering. [00:12:46] Speaker B: Well, let's just say it doesn't help. [00:12:48] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I mean, that why we're covering it. [00:12:50] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:12:52] Speaker A: I mean, but it. [00:12:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:54] Speaker A: Is, you know, it's special for forces and it's like a, you know. Yeah. So. So. Oh, yes. And we see Andy writing letters home to his daughter and his wife. Yeah. [00:13:06] Speaker B: I like how. Well, the, the baby mama. But I like how the baby mama letter is pretty bad. Yeah. [00:13:12] Speaker A: Right. It's like if you're getting this, I'm dead. You know, don't fuff around. Just you move on with your life. But remember, and take. Get the money out of the savings, but remember to put down $500 for the, for the next, you know, bar crawl for the men. [00:13:30] Speaker B: Yes. But see, it occurred to me, I wonder if he's written this letter three times before maybe. [00:13:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:36] Speaker B: So he's already poured his heart out like a bunch of times as like. Okay, you get the idea. [00:13:41] Speaker A: And then there's the one for the daughter that we don't actually hear. Yeah. [00:13:43] Speaker B: I mean, here, like a little bit of it and it's a lot better. [00:13:46] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. And then there's a whole thing about, like they're getting all their gear. And then there's a thing about the sweets. The red and the green. [00:13:54] Speaker B: Yeah. The recurring. It keeps coming back. [00:13:57] Speaker A: Everyone likes the red, everyone hates the greens. [00:13:59] Speaker B: So there you go. [00:14:00] Speaker A: Yeah. And then they take their picture like. Oh, so this means like half of them aren't going to come back. Right. [00:14:07] Speaker B: They relocate to a FOB before they do that. [00:14:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:10] Speaker B: Which it wasn't clear where that FOB was. Presumably it's in Kuwait. [00:14:15] Speaker A: And for our, for our listeners, a FOB is a forward operating base. Okay. Yeah, well, yeah. And then we get there, like, they start taking a video of a man and like, you know, name and statement so that, you know, they can Compare it to something when they, you know, if they get captured and they're all just sort of messing around with theirs. I forget. But this is where we finally get names for a bunch of them. But I do not remember all their names. [00:14:38] Speaker B: No, I'm not going to remember their names either. But I quite like this part. It's probably my favorite part. It was a very unique way to introduce all the characters. Military movies are tough. They're all white guys. Most of the time, they all look more or less the same. It's very difficult to tell them apart. [00:14:53] Speaker A: Yeah, I. [00:14:54] Speaker B: Most of them, I don't even bother trying. But the proof of life statements is. Was cool. [00:15:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:01] Speaker B: Most of them were, like, kind of silly and dumb. But I like the one where the guy says, chaucer died on October 25, 1400. [00:15:10] Speaker A: The one was. Well, what was Sean Bean's one? Or any McNabs. I forget. [00:15:14] Speaker B: That's a good question. And it's something like, why am I here? Or something like that. [00:15:19] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. Or those jokes about, you know, winning a sweepstakes or something like that. [00:15:25] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:15:28] Speaker A: So they get into their helo or their. They call them. They call it a heli. [00:15:32] Speaker B: Yes, they do. [00:15:33] Speaker A: Yeah. And which is transporting to their drop site. And then this is the first exciting moment, is like, where something. A missile gets a lock on them. And you see that the. You know, the. The chopper pilots are trying to avoid it, and they're, like, waiting until the last minute to launch their chaff. And so you. I sort of think, oh, what if this is it? Like, this is that. This is the poster. Like, all right, the chopper gets hit and they don't even get to their spell. And this is all of them trying to get back from the chop. Progress. [00:16:01] Speaker B: You're pretty close to what actually happened. But did you notice something about this part with the heli? It's like Star Trek, the Original series. [00:16:09] Speaker A: Oh. It's all shots from inside and they're leaning and they're. [00:16:14] Speaker B: Yeah, that didn't. [00:16:15] Speaker A: It didn't feel that. Like that to me, so I. I went with it. [00:16:19] Speaker B: Yeah. No, I mean, it was made on the cheap is what I'm saying. But the. It was exciting enough that you don't even notice it only worked for you. [00:16:28] Speaker A: But. Yeah, so. But they managed to actually avoid it. And then they jump out of the heli with all their gear. With like 200 pounds of gear, is what they say they have. [00:16:37] Speaker B: Correct. They do, yeah. It takes them a long time as well. Yeah, yeah. [00:16:43] Speaker A: So they go and then they find the main. Main service road or main supply road. I. I have msr, but I couldn't remember exactly what that says. [00:16:51] Speaker B: Stands for Maiden Supply Route. They don't actually say it until later. [00:16:55] Speaker A: Until. Yeah, yeah. And then. But there is a encampment there with like a bunch of guns and tanks. So which is they. They were not anticipating. So they're trying to figure out, all right, how do we get around this? What do we do? [00:17:06] Speaker B: So I will say as much as I say the production values are not good. I feel like they blew the budget on Iraqi equipment because they got tanks, they got trucks, they got a lot of good stuff. [00:17:15] Speaker A: I also appreciate that they don't do the usual thing that they do in movies and TV shows where. All right, it's the Middle east or North Africa. All right, we're going to put, you know, a yellow filter on everything and make it look like. All right, some wavy lines to make it look. Are really hot. No, this is just. It looks like an actual place, not manufactured to look like the Middle East. [00:17:40] Speaker B: Well, it did make me wonder and I didn't care enough to look it up. And I'm not going to now where they filmed it. [00:17:44] Speaker A: Yeah, it's probably somewhere in the uk, presumably. [00:17:47] Speaker B: Yes, but. [00:17:48] Speaker A: But it looked different enough that it's not immediately noticeable. [00:17:51] Speaker B: Well, my wife was surprised when she was said, I thought Iraq was in the Middle East. Why do we have trees? Why do we have grass when they go to different parts. Yeah, I mean, not all Middle Eastern countries look like Dune, the planet Arrakis. [00:18:05] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly Right. But. And so as they're trying to figure out everything and they're trying to get in on the radio, but there's. But they're not getting any contact on the other end of the radio. They say they're transmitting fine, but I don't. They're being received. [00:18:18] Speaker B: Yep. [00:18:19] Speaker A: And as all this is going on, one of the soldiers sees or they hear something and it's. And it's a bunch of goats. And there's a little kid, you know, shepherd, who basically comes up, right up to them and sees. Is this mark. I don't remember which one. This is one of them. [00:18:39] Speaker B: Yeah, one of the guys. [00:18:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:40] Speaker B: They're like. He never was much of a dad. [00:18:42] Speaker A: But this is not the guy who has like five kids at home who we see in the beginning. [00:18:46] Speaker B: I don't think your guess is as good as mine. I don't think so. [00:18:49] Speaker A: Yeah, he tries to talk the kid down with some candy, I think, but the kid Just says, nope. Gets out of there and runs and goes tell and tells a bunch of the soldiers who tell him to piss off. [00:19:00] Speaker B: Which is an interesting twist. [00:19:02] Speaker A: I was like, oh, are they actually gonna get away with this? I don't know. But then he keeps going and he finally finds a bunch of soldiers who will listen to him. And then we have our first action scene. Well, action scene with the men. And not just, you know, a chopper, they leave. [00:19:19] Speaker B: The SAS leaves. There's a part where Andy's gun has a compass on it. [00:19:23] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:19:24] Speaker B: Remember how in Call of Duty you could get, like, the upgrades or. You never really played much Call of Duty. More like a Halo man. [00:19:31] Speaker A: Well, not mostly multiplayer, but. Yeah. [00:19:33] Speaker B: Yeah, well, exactly. So that was neat. And then they're, like, walking in the open, and then that's when the Iraqis catch up with them. [00:19:40] Speaker A: That's right. Yeah. So we get. [00:19:43] Speaker B: We get. It's a good fight, A really good fight. They use bazookas, they blow up trucks. They, like, charge the enemy. [00:19:48] Speaker A: And. Yeah. They say that they need to get, you know, do a full, you know, full front because they'll never anticipate dissipated and are expected. [00:19:54] Speaker B: Yeah. So that was interesting, but it just kind of goes on and on and on. They throw a grenade in a tank, but then eventually the Iraqis counter attack. And then they do, like, a running. [00:20:06] Speaker A: Battle, like, where they're retreating, a tactical retreat. [00:20:10] Speaker B: And none of them get hit. [00:20:11] Speaker A: And, yeah, that's what I'm like, wow. How are none of these guys at least hit? But then we later, we have one of them who's like, tore or, you know, tore or something, or his leg or something. So that's about the extent of injuries at that point. [00:20:25] Speaker B: So I have a theory. [00:20:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:27] Speaker B: It's not based on anything. [00:20:28] Speaker A: Okay. [00:20:28] Speaker B: I'm not a soldier, obviously, but from what I've seen, there's a movie, you may be interested, called Combat Obscura. [00:20:35] Speaker A: Okay. [00:20:36] Speaker B: Which is a documentary from Afghanistan. It's a little bit overrated, I was told. It's, like, amazing. It's interesting. But one of the points that I think we're not aware of from movies like this is shooting takes place from much further distance apart. [00:20:52] Speaker A: Sure. [00:20:53] Speaker B: Okay. Like, they're way too close. [00:20:55] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:20:56] Speaker B: In the movie, it makes not a lot of sense, but if you consider that they're like. If you're someone on, like, the horizon. Yeah, yeah. I believe you could shoot at each other all day and never hit each. [00:21:05] Speaker A: Right, right. [00:21:06] Speaker B: Even if you are sas. [00:21:09] Speaker A: I did like how they're like, you start. They use their packs, they drop their packs and use them as cover to get. Because, you know, they're in the middle of a desert in the middle, in just a big clearing, so there's no natural cover. [00:21:20] Speaker B: Yeah, there is a cool line. I didn't write it down. So Andy is like a friend, Miller style voiceover, where he says, like, in the desert, you'll get out a spoon and start digging if it makes a difference. [00:21:30] Speaker A: Yeah, something like that. [00:21:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I thought that was a cool line. [00:21:32] Speaker A: Yeah. So at this point, yeah, they've abandoned their plans. They can't carry through the plan, so they're just trying to make it for the border to Syria. And as they're going, they go through the night. At one point, they hear a plane overhead and they hope. They assume it's a friendly. And they stop and like, try to radio and they get briefly through to someone in the plane who just says, you know, bravo Two Zero, you're very weak. Come again? And then that's it. That's all the contact they get. So. [00:22:00] Speaker B: So that's more like bad intel, you could say. [00:22:04] Speaker A: And here's one of them. I think it's Mark. I don't remember who. One of them. My default name for all of them is. Is it Mark? Maybe it's Mark. [00:22:11] Speaker B: Sure. [00:22:12] Speaker A: It's hypothermia. [00:22:14] Speaker B: Yeah, they're like hypothermia in the desert. I like the part they're using the map as a blanket. Yeah. It's scary. My wife couldn't believe it either. But, yeah, like, deserts get cold at night. [00:22:24] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:22:24] Speaker B: I also think it's funny that Syria is the place they go that's safe. [00:22:29] Speaker A: Yep, yep. But, yeah, so they. They keep going. They're going, travailing for many, many kilometers. [00:22:37] Speaker B: Yeah. They lose some guys along the way. I mean, like, literally lost. [00:22:41] Speaker A: Like, you can't find them. The, like. I think it's like three of them are lost at, like, they were supposed to pass along messages that were stopping to try to make a radio contact, and then they just didn't get the message of the head. [00:22:53] Speaker B: Yeah. So I like that because if it feels real, it might be anti live antic, but it feels real. As you know, not everyone in the war movie needs, like, a big death. Tell my wife I love her one at a time. So meanwhile, they're being pursued by a guy who looks like Saddam Hussein. [00:23:10] Speaker A: Yeah, right. [00:23:11] Speaker B: Well, I mean, my theory is that. [00:23:12] Speaker A: The mustache was in style O. Yeah. In North Korea, you know, everyone has to have his haircut Right. So everyone had to have a mustache in those in those days. And then we get another shepherd who, like, sees them and goes up to them, waving very excitedly to them. Now, I truly couldn't figure out, was he looking for the market, asking where the market was, or was he telling them where the market was so he could sell them stuff? [00:23:36] Speaker B: That's a great question. I think the movie is ambiguous about what his intentions were because we couldn't figure it out either. [00:23:42] Speaker A: But he definitely didn't want to turn them in for something. He was trying to get money off in it, seemingly. And then this is where it has to be true, because it's so ridiculous. They steal a taxi. [00:23:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Grand Theft Auto. So this was a little bit ridiculous, I thought. So. They're like, we're not murderers. That's why we didn't kill the shepherd, even though it could have potentially saved our lives. So it's not cool to shoot an Iraqi, but it's okay to leave an Iraqi in the middle of the desert when they literally said five minutes earlier the weather was a threat to our lives. Right. So I thought that was a little bit strange then. [00:24:19] Speaker A: Think about that. That's interesting. [00:24:20] Speaker B: But it is better than them just walking. Like, them walking was starting to get a little bit old. [00:24:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. So they drive for a while, and there's a whole bit about, like, all right, what's on the radio? [00:24:30] Speaker B: Yeah. They sing a song. Like a song parody. My wife thought that was funny. [00:24:34] Speaker A: They get to a checkpoint, and this. [00:24:38] Speaker B: Was good tension, too. [00:24:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:40] Speaker B: Because you're like, what are they gonna do? They obviously don't look Iraqi and they don't speak the language. So how are they gonna get out of this? Well, turns out by blasting. And then I think I realized something at this point in my notes. This is just a not as good version of Operation Crowbite, which is another movie where they just blast everybody. [00:25:01] Speaker A: Which one is Operation Crowbar? Huh? You know what? What I was getting a lot of vibes up to at this point, and maybe this is just that it's Sean Bean in it. Age of Heroes. [00:25:11] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I think I've forgotten most of Age of Heroes. [00:25:14] Speaker A: What? All I remember is, all right, you know, something goes wrong and they all have to retreat, and they all get split up, and I was like. And they're trying to get over the borders. Okay. [00:25:23] Speaker B: Yeah, you're right. It is. It is Age of Heroes, basically. [00:25:25] Speaker A: Yeah. Just in a different war. [00:25:29] Speaker B: There's a cool part where Sean Bean runs up to a truck and just Blind fires into it. I thought that was kind of cool. [00:25:35] Speaker A: Or throws. They throw a grenade in. [00:25:37] Speaker B: Yeah. And somehow again, nobody gets hit. [00:25:40] Speaker A: Yeah. But they do lose like half the team. Cuz half of them go like. It is like what, four or five of them left at this point. And two of them go down a river for some reason. And then it's. So it's Mark and Andy together now. They go in more firefights and then at one point Mark gets separated and we're led to assume that he's dead. [00:26:02] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. [00:26:03] Speaker A: The way Mark and he says Mark. [00:26:06] Speaker B: He also used rifle grenades at one point. Oh yeah. I thought was. That was cool. [00:26:11] Speaker A: And then it's just Andy left and. [00:26:13] Speaker B: The 2km left to the border. But also 50 minutes left in the movie. [00:26:18] Speaker A: Yeah. I was like, yeah. Wait, what? How is there. It's part of my notes is well, how are there still 40 minutes left? [00:26:25] Speaker B: I feel like we asked that question a lot with these movies, which is never a good sign. [00:26:28] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, so he like goes and like he hears people coming. He goes and hides in a sewer. But he gets found and like cornered. They're like shooting around him. [00:26:39] Speaker B: Well, so how did they find him? [00:26:41] Speaker A: I don't get lucky. I think it's just luck. Okay. Or he left a trail of, you. [00:26:46] Speaker B: Know, I mean that we knew that they were hunting for him. [00:26:48] Speaker A: That's true. Yeah. So there you go. So he's captured and then taken to a, you know, a camp. And the Iraqis keep insisting that he's an Israeli. [00:27:01] Speaker B: That's right. [00:27:02] Speaker A: And so they beat him. There's someone else outside. Mark, Question Mark. But I don't think it's Mark. I think it's either Digger. Digger or Stan who's getting beat outside and like his eyes forced open. Yeah, that was. This is where it was just getting a real. The movie got really uncomfortable. [00:27:21] Speaker B: Well, yeah, no, I mean, obviously the stuff in the prison is really bad and it goes on for a long time. But at the time when it started, I was just happy that it wasn't just them wandering through the desert. Shooting. Wandering through the desert some more. Shooting some more. [00:27:35] Speaker A: Sure. [00:27:35] Speaker B: So at first it was a relief. But then. Yeah, obviously it's really difficult to watch and we don't even need to talk about most of it. There was some interesting parts though, like the part where you had gold coins. [00:27:45] Speaker A: The gold sovereigns, which made me think of for mushroom love. That was part of. I don't remember it. It's in his, like his. His briefcase. One of One of the gadgets was. He had 50 gold sovereigns. That's how he gets Red Grant in the train is like, who he wants more. So I was like, once you reveal that about, oh, the pressure of love. [00:28:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Then it was, like, some interesting stuff where he wouldn't tell them what his job was. [00:28:12] Speaker A: They established a cover of. What's our cover gonna be? Pilot rescue. And that there's a down pilot. [00:28:18] Speaker B: Just like spies. They can't just say who they are. [00:28:21] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. It was a lot of, like, he's forced to eat like a dog. There's more beatings. And then the circumcision part. [00:28:28] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. Well, that was actually kind of interesting. Yeah, it jumped to me right away. I thought of it right away. That's how you prove that you're not Jewish, and I will tell you why. Okay. I'll tell you why. [00:28:38] Speaker A: All right. [00:28:39] Speaker B: So as we've discussed on the podcast before, my wife's Indian, and I read a book called Train to Pakistan. It's about the partition between India and Pakistan. And there was a lot of. Of, as you probably know, there was a lot of intercommunal violence. Like, a million people died. And there was various ways that they would. Because people look similar. How do you know if someone's Hindu or how you know, someone's Muslim? So the recent terrorist attack in India. Muslim terrorists. And they made people recite some Muslim phrase, and if they couldn't do it, they would kill them. But another way they would do it is they would check the men to see if they were circumcised. They were circumcised. They were Muslim. If they weren't, they were Hindu. Yeah. Also, one last thing from the spy museum. They have a little placard about an Indian news fight on Pakistan, and he circumcised himself to pose as a Muslim. I mean, he didn't do it himself, presumably. He did it. [00:29:32] Speaker A: All right. All right. [00:29:32] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, but he had. [00:29:33] Speaker A: Okay. I thought it was like a Behind Enemy Lines. All right, I need to know. Oh, okay. That's better. [00:29:40] Speaker B: No, he's not, like, also just a. [00:29:42] Speaker A: Very, very dedicated but. Yes. [00:29:44] Speaker B: Well, I mean, adults, us audience, we only get Sean Bean's butt. We don't get the Full Mountain, which. [00:29:53] Speaker A: Is the only part of the movie that Carolyn looked over and watches that. Wait, there's a but there. Yep, that's Sean Bean's butt. [00:30:00] Speaker B: It was also interesting how the Iraqis were, like, laughing at the situation, too. Yeah. [00:30:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:05] Speaker B: But he also explains, like, I was wondering what they're like end game is. He explains we have to give the rest of the SAS time to actually do the mission. [00:30:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:13] Speaker B: And then we can tell them the truth. [00:30:15] Speaker A: Yeah. And there's a part where a dentist pulls a tooth off. Yeah. And then there's a. There's a callback to the very beginning because one of the guys. I guess it's. I think it's Stan, was doing a crossword and he's just stuck on this clue. You know, turn coat for opera. Five letters. And I was like, I have no idea what this. And he said. He says he finally figured out Tosca, which is an opera. I don't know that. What. Why it's turncoat necessarily. [00:30:44] Speaker B: Don't look at me. [00:30:45] Speaker A: I've seen Tosca, like, twice. [00:30:47] Speaker B: Okay. [00:30:48] Speaker A: And I'm trying to remember what the plot is. I don't. I guess there is a turn coat. And I don't know. I. I haven't. It's been a while. And I'd have to review what is. But that was like. Oh, Oscar, that's. And as bought for Bond fans. You'll know task is it's the opera that's featured in Quantum of Solace. We got his flashback of Andy and I. Maybe it's Mark. Maybe it's Stan, One of them other guys, like, driving in a car back in the UK and like, the other guy is, like, criticizing all of his cassette tape choices and, like, throwing them out the window if he didn't like him. And he ends up just throwing out all of it. [00:31:25] Speaker B: Yeah. That's right. They kill terrorists, but they also kill tapes. They're dangerous then. [00:31:30] Speaker A: But. Yeah. So enough time has passed. And Andy talks. He tells them close to the truth. Tells them that. [00:31:37] Speaker B: They were scouting the others. [00:31:38] Speaker A: Yeah. It's not that they were trying to cut the cables or that there was another team or other teams or anything like that. So tells them because of the truth to hopefully, you know, give. But get them something. [00:31:49] Speaker B: Right. [00:31:49] Speaker A: And what he does is he gets some. He gets reunited with Digger and Stan and they all get to share a cell. [00:31:56] Speaker B: That's right. [00:31:57] Speaker A: And then there's this really uncomfortable stuff with the. [00:32:00] Speaker B: Yeah. I couldn't even figure out what was going on with the subject. [00:32:03] Speaker A: He was doing something. [00:32:05] Speaker B: Yeah. To like, make friends with this guy. [00:32:07] Speaker A: And went to get cigarettes for Stan, I think is what he said. [00:32:11] Speaker B: That's true friendship. [00:32:12] Speaker A: Oh, God. It was just really uncomfortable. [00:32:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:16] Speaker A: To watch. And then we get news that Digger and Stan are being sent home, but Andy is not. He's alone. [00:32:23] Speaker B: There's a brief interesting part before that, where one of them escapes to Syria. [00:32:28] Speaker A: Oh. [00:32:28] Speaker B: And then, like, tells the truth. [00:32:30] Speaker A: That's right. [00:32:31] Speaker B: I thought he was going to screw over his buddies in prison, but then nothing like, happened. [00:32:36] Speaker A: Yeah, it was one of. One of the prop. One of the people got separated. [00:32:40] Speaker B: So that's like a weird. [00:32:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:43] Speaker B: Consistency. [00:32:44] Speaker A: Yeah. Just, like, got. Yeah. Actually made it across that. He's also, like, talking about how he mentions the bad maps, bad intel, and every. And then all my sweets are green, and I. I hate green. [00:32:56] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. [00:32:58] Speaker A: Well, here's the thing about that, too, because he had. He's talking about. And they say that he's sas, and then they throw them the bag of sweets. So did he get captured and killed or did he actually make it across the border? How did they get the bag of sweets? [00:33:14] Speaker B: I mean, you said they left a bunch of equipment behind, so that might have been part of it. [00:33:18] Speaker A: Okay. But I was like, wait, where are these sweets? And they're all green. [00:33:21] Speaker B: Presumably. They're military suites. You can't just buy them off the shelf. Oh, yeah, I guess. [00:33:26] Speaker A: No, I think they're specifically. But I was like, where did they come from that these are the specific ones that they knew they were talking about? I don't know. [00:33:33] Speaker B: Yeah, it was a little bit strange. [00:33:34] Speaker A: Yeah. And then we get news reports about the end of. The end of the Gulf War. [00:33:40] Speaker B: That's right. Iraq loses. A lot of people surrender. [00:33:45] Speaker A: And Andy finally gets to go home. We see him sort of being checked out as. As, you know, And. And then in the hospital, he sees Mark, who is not dead, but he got shot in the foot. [00:33:56] Speaker B: I thought he was gonna reveal, like, he was missing an arm or something. Yeah. [00:33:59] Speaker A: I thought he kept talk. My foot. I thought it was gonna be just gone. Like, no foot. [00:34:04] Speaker B: That's like a World War II. [00:34:07] Speaker A: Yeah. But no, it's just. He was shot on foot. It's all heavily bandaged up. And then he goes home to see his wife and kid. And it ends with the line. That's something like, you know, here, I wrote it down. [00:34:17] Speaker B: I thought it was a cool line. I'm gonna write it down. [00:34:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:20] Speaker B: I have plenty of favorite quotes, so we'll put it there. Now he says, war is barbaric, but if you think this is the bit where I spend the rest of my life hugging trees, don't hold your breath. [00:34:29] Speaker A: That's like, the last. [00:34:30] Speaker B: And then he said they had a job to do, just like me. Some of them enjoyed it a bit too much. [00:34:35] Speaker A: Right. [00:34:35] Speaker B: And if I saw one of them on the street tomorrow, I'd slot them. [00:34:38] Speaker A: That's right. Yeah. [00:34:41] Speaker B: I thought it was a cool line, but I also wanted to see him, like, reunite with his wife, reunite with his kids. If he's not gonna hug trees, then, like, did this experience change his mind at all? I guess back out there. [00:34:52] Speaker A: And then we get, you know, the shot of the picture of all eight of them. And so I think only four of them made it back. Back from. [00:35:00] Speaker B: Wait, five? [00:35:01] Speaker A: Is it five? Okay, that's right. Oh, the guy. The guy who actually made it across the board. Because there was a three. [00:35:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:06] Speaker A: With him, there was Andy, Digger, and Stan, and there was Mark in the hospital. And then the other guy who actually made it across five. [00:35:12] Speaker B: Okay, well, here you go. I thought you didn't remember the names. [00:35:15] Speaker A: I just remember the three because they were in that all together. He mentioned they, like, say their names a lot. They're in there. [00:35:20] Speaker B: That's right. [00:35:21] Speaker A: But then. Yeah, then Mark, because, like, they kept saying his name, and I'm like, all right, one of them is definitely work. [00:35:28] Speaker B: Spy fact versus spy fiction. All right, so now it's time for our spy fact versus fiction. [00:35:37] Speaker A: I don't have anything. What do you have? [00:35:39] Speaker B: I have a decent amount. Okay, so the first thing is the. The thing with the shepherd. [00:35:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:44] Speaker B: So I swear I had heard this before. I don't remember which army. It was like, some Western army, American, British, whatever, where they were in a position and they catch a shepherd, and they let the shepherd go, and the shepherd goes and tells the enemy where they are, and they all get killed. And that's. [00:36:01] Speaker A: Pretty sure that's happened multiple times? [00:36:04] Speaker B: No, no, I Googled it. I used AI Never happened. What? Never been proven to happen. [00:36:11] Speaker A: Okay. [00:36:12] Speaker B: Okay. This was according to my AI research. [00:36:14] Speaker A: Interesting. [00:36:15] Speaker B: Maybe you can do better. I think it's like an urban legend. [00:36:18] Speaker A: Okay. [00:36:19] Speaker B: But they did say that people like Che Guevara is an example where a farmer told the police were looking for him where he was. But Chevron didn't capture the farmer, let him go, and then that happened. [00:36:30] Speaker A: Okay. [00:36:31] Speaker B: All right. Actually, I think I have it written down here. There does not appear to be a well documented, real historical incident matching that exact scenario. Accounts like this are widely known as a plot point in the film and book Lone Survivor with Mark Wahlberg. But multiple investigations and after action analyses indicate the specific shepherd released and then betrays the seals episode is not supported by official records. That might have been where I heard of it. Okay, Okay. A quick thing about the Scuds. Approximately 42 Scud missiles were fired into Israeli territory during the war. Two civilians died as a direct result of the missile attacks. Between 11 and 74 were killed from incorrect use of gas masks, heart attacks, and incorrect use of the anti chemical weapons drug at trial. Atropine. It seems like a kind of a wide range, though. [00:37:18] Speaker A: That's what they give them. I gave Nicholas Cage in the Rock. [00:37:23] Speaker B: Yeah, well, it makes sense. It's anti chemical weapons. So this movie is based on a book which apparently sold really well. It sold, like, millions of copies, according to this one article in the Irish Times. But then it seems like a lot of it's not true. Yeah, they did steal the taxi. [00:37:43] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [00:37:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't think they ever shot their way through a checkpoint, though. [00:37:47] Speaker A: Oh, that's disappointing. [00:37:49] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't think they had this huge battle. So there's one called the SAS man who Won't Stay Quiet on the Irish Times. So this is. You might find this interesting for the family of the late Sergeant Vince Phillips, in particular, who have had to live with his vilification, particularly in the book, for compromising the patrol by failing to kill a young goather. [00:38:10] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:38:11] Speaker B: So it's like, vilification that he didn't do it, but he also got vilified for seeming to give up after they were split and the men got tired. Okay. So the different guys who come back tell different versions of the events is basically what I'm saying. Also, there's a part where they refer to the Iraqi secret police as the White Sox. Do you remember that? [00:38:30] Speaker A: I did catch that. Yeah. Not true. [00:38:32] Speaker B: I don't know where that came from. A Google search didn't reveal anything. Favorite quotes. So now it is time for our favorite quotes. Would you like to go first? [00:38:45] Speaker A: Sure. I've got two. I've got. You know, the danger of now. It's like, I thought about. I tried it for a second. Gonna try to do Sean Bean's accent. Can't do it. All right. Danger of finding a hideout in pitch black is that at first light, you could find yourself in the middle of a housing estate. [00:39:00] Speaker B: That's true. [00:39:01] Speaker A: Like that. And then this is when they're in the taxi. Did you know that Saddam Hussein is an anagram of he's a sad nudist? And then Andy asks, where'd the M go? And the other guy goes, I swapped it for a T. You can't do that. I just did. [00:39:14] Speaker B: Yeah. Close enough. The SAS doesn't play by the rules. [00:39:17] Speaker A: All right. What do you got. [00:39:18] Speaker B: Yeah, this actually had some decent writing when you could understand what they were saying. I really like in the beginning. Sean Bean's getting ready, and he says, four years old. I've missed every one of them. Do you remember that part? There was a Chekhov's gun, only it was a Chekhov's explosive they carry around the shiny thing. [00:39:36] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Well, no, that's not. But the shiny thing. Do you not remember? The shiny thing is. It's a sat nav. It's satellite navigation. That's how they didn't have their. Figuring out where they are. [00:39:45] Speaker B: Oh, okay. But, yeah, so when the guy goes, that slam is a shiny thing. I like that. And then finally, the part where they take a picture before they do, they say, you want a picky. It's like if people wonder why they're people, don't take their prejudice seriously with the way they talk ratings. Now it is time for ratings. On a scale of 1 to 10 martinis, 1 being even worse than Avengers 1997, 10 being even better or as good as Mission Impossible, Ghost Protocol, how would we rate Bravo 2 0. [00:40:20] Speaker A: All right, let's let you go. [00:40:22] Speaker B: I can go first. So I'd like to write down things I liked, things I didn't like. The pros and cons. I didn't write them down, so I'll go from memory. So the pros are pretty good fighting, pretty good dialogue. And the midway change from fighting to the prison I thought was pretty interesting. There were some good lines. Like, I like the lines at the end. Also, boobs at the. The cons are just the kind of low production values. A lot of it was slow. And the prison stuff is upsetting to watch. And it really does feel like a TV movie. Sean Bean and Rick Warden does not. Save it. I was gonna give it a three and a half, but I think the boobs will push it up to a four. [00:41:04] Speaker A: Four. All right. All right. Four stars. Or four martinis, rather. All right. So for me, this. Yeah, this definitely felt like a TV movie. It actually reminded me of when there's another TV movie was from 2001 that's Daniel Craig. It's called Sword of Honor, and it has him going through, like, World War II, which. And I like that one better. [00:41:27] Speaker B: Okay. [00:41:28] Speaker A: But it's not. It's not great. But only. I only really liked because it's got Danny. [00:41:31] Speaker B: Actually, you should. [00:41:32] Speaker A: I'll load you my copy if you're interested. It's quality. It's not good. The action. The action was surprisingly good for for this, but it really doesn't save it. I mean, I enjoy Sean Bean, but. Yeah, that. That last. It's not even half of the movie. It's maybe a third. Last third. But it feels. It just keeps going and going on, just. Which I get. That's part of the point is you're supposed to show how terrible they were treated that prison, but it's just very upsetting. [00:42:03] Speaker B: Doesn't mean you want to watch it. [00:42:04] Speaker A: No. [00:42:05] Speaker B: My wife and I also. This wasn't intentional, but we broke it up into two halves, the movie into two halves where we came back the next day and watched the second half, which I actually think helped it a lot. If I watched all in one setting, I would have been like, please end. Yeah, it's not even two hours. [00:42:19] Speaker A: And I think this did initially air as like a two part. It was like a two part miniseries, basically. [00:42:24] Speaker B: Okay. [00:42:25] Speaker A: Yeah. So you probably did it like how most people watched it, whereas I watched it the whole way through. It was like, oh, that's such a lot. [00:42:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:32] Speaker A: So. Oof. I was. I was thinking about a five, but then actually, you know, talking more about it. I'm gonna. I'm gonna stick with you. And I should give it a four out of 10 martinis. [00:42:44] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, to me, a five is average. It's definitely below average, but it's not so far. [00:42:51] Speaker A: The action bumps it up to that four. Yeah. If. If you're interested in the. Go for it, give it a watch. But if not, or if you just want to see Sean Bean be in something and not die. I was wondering if he was. And then I actually did, like, you know, I just ended up like, oh, I'm curious. Who's this guy? Who? The guy that this based on. He plays. And then I found that he survived, like, oh, well, I guess it's not. This is not a. Sean Bean dies in this movie. Movie. [00:43:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Actually, it was funny you say if you're interested in the Gulf War. So I would say two. I have two recommendations for people pouring to the Gulf War. [00:43:25] Speaker A: Okay. [00:43:25] Speaker B: Perhaps you've heard of these movies. You know the movie Jarhead? [00:43:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:28] Speaker B: Jake Gyllenhaal. Have you seen it? [00:43:29] Speaker A: I have not seen it, but I've heard of it. [00:43:30] Speaker B: So what's great about it is that it's actually realistic in the sense that he just wanders around with his unit the whole time, and they never get into a fight. And if they do, it's extremely brief. [00:43:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:42] Speaker B: So it's mostly him being bored and wishing he was somewhere else. And then the other one I would recommend. Do you know the movie Three Kings with George Clooney? Matt. [00:43:50] Speaker A: I know of it. I've never seen it, so it's on my list. [00:43:52] Speaker B: So it's a dark comedy, like a Coen Brothers style. And it's actually kind of similar to this. Okay. Because I think they kind of go off and do their own thing. I don't know if it's by the Cohen. Okay. But it feels like it is, so. [00:44:07] Speaker A: All right. Okay. But yeah, yeah, I don't. [00:44:12] Speaker B: I don't. [00:44:12] Speaker A: I definitely wouldn't come back to this, but it's an interesting thing to see at least once. [00:44:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Broke it up a little bit before we get back into World War II. [00:44:21] Speaker A: Right, right, right. All right. Well, thank you all for listening. You can find us on social media Hespy Fi guys on Facebook, YouTube, Blue sky and Instagram, and our merch [email protected] until next time. I'm Christian. [00:44:36] Speaker B: And I'm Zach. [00:44:37] Speaker A: And we are the Spy Fi guys. Signing off. Thank you for listening to the Spy Fi Guys. If you enjoyed our podcast, please be sure to give us a five star rating on itunes. The theme song from this podcast is Mistake the getaway by Kevin McLeod from Incompetech.com licensed under Creative Commons by Attribution 3.0. 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